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"Don’t post - it’s what he wants you to do. " You did! Gbat | |||
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"Don’t post - it’s what he wants you to do. You did! Gbat" You know I didn’t so don’t be silly | |||
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"Don’t post - it’s what he wants you to do. " Resistance is futile, get in there quick I say. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Didn’t they have all that in France. And how desperate can they be if they can afford a few grand to pay to get in a dingy ? Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown."  | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown." Perhaps they don't want to live under the shackles of the EU? | |||
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"What does an EU shackle look like? Gbat" Like a regular shackle, but it has made in the EU stamped on it  | |||
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"What does an EU shackle look like? Gbat Like a regular shackle, but it has made in the EU stamped on it "Probably safer then. Gbat | |||
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"It was a joke GBat." Sorry, I missed it. It’s sometimes hard to tell with the written word. My bad. Gbat | |||
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"It was a joke GBat. Sorry, I missed it. It’s sometimes hard to tell with the written word. My bad. Gbat " No worries! I needed an emoji! I just wondered if the posters who are saying these people should stay in France could understand why they might want to live in Brexit Britain which, in my experience, a lot of them voted for... | |||
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"Why is it the responsibility of France to help these people and not the UK? And have you seen the conditions in the migrant camps near Calais? Gbat " Because under all sorts of laws,UN ,EU it is the legal responsibility of France to do so.The migrants are in FRANCE.The French however are smart enough to know that every migrant sent to the UK is a migrant the French state (taxpayer) isn't paying for. | |||
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"Why is it the responsibility of France to help these people and not the UK? And have you seen the conditions in the migrant camps near Calais? Gbat Because under all sorts of laws,UN ,EU it is the legal responsibility of France to do so.The migrants are in FRANCE.The French however are smart enough to know that every migrant sent to the UK is a migrant the French state (taxpayer) isn't paying for." Migrants and asylum seekers - aka people - have no obligation to stay in France, even as a safe country. Not sure how France could force them to, unless you mean some kind of internment camps? | |||
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"It was a joke GBat. Sorry, I missed it. It’s sometimes hard to tell with the written word. My bad. Gbat No worries! I needed an emoji! I just wondered if the posters who are saying these people should stay in France could understand why they might want to live in Brexit Britain which, in my experience, a lot of them voted for..." They want to come here because of the economy,the same one the economic "experts" once again got wrong about Brexit/COVID recovery.1.5% bigger and over £14 billion bigger than they have been saying for the last two years.Out performing the EU block and out performing the European big three,Germany,France,Spain.The EU is heading for a sovereign debt crisis.Germany (who bailed out Greece) can't bail anyone out now. | |||
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"Why is it the responsibility of France to help these people and not the UK? And have you seen the conditions in the migrant camps near Calais? Gbat Because under all sorts of laws,UN ,EU it is the legal responsibility of France to do so.The migrants are in FRANCE.The French however are smart enough to know that every migrant sent to the UK is a migrant the French state (taxpayer) isn't paying for. Migrants and asylum seekers - aka people - have no obligation to stay in France, even as a safe country. Not sure how France could force them to, unless you mean some kind of internment camps?" Look at the top.The other poster asked why it was the responsibility of France to help them.They have a right to claim asylum in the "first safe country".France and the transit countries that lead to France put their people first,we are a soft touch. | |||
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"Why is it the responsibility of France to help these people and not the UK? And have you seen the conditions in the migrant camps near Calais? Gbat Because under all sorts of laws,UN ,EU it is the legal responsibility of France to do so.The migrants are in FRANCE.The French however are smart enough to know that every migrant sent to the UK is a migrant the French state (taxpayer) isn't paying for. Migrants and asylum seekers - aka people - have no obligation to stay in France, even as a safe country. Not sure how France could force them to, unless you mean some kind of internment camps? Look at the top.The other poster asked why it was the responsibility of France to help them.They have a right to claim asylum in the "first safe country".France and the transit countries that lead to France put their people first,we are a soft touch." They have a right, but no obligation. They absolutely could choose to claim asylum in France, but don't have to. | |||
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"hotels that used to employ local people who have been sacked. " Who works there now then? Does the hotel miraculously become self supporting? "£6 million a day is spent on Illegal immigrants, …. " Who said they are illegal? How have you made that leap of logic? " some of whom who are disappearing into the black economy paying.... wait for it No TAX. " You do know that they are forbidden by law from legally working? They aren’t allowed to pay income tax, but of course they pay VAT like everyone else does. And “some” of them? So you think we should have a downer on all of them because “some” of them don’t follow the rules? "whilst others are coming specifically to join criminal gangs who don't pay TAX." Are they? Why do you say that? How many of them? And again, “others” so you want to blame all of them? Do a Google search on economic cost/benefit of migrants to the UK. You might be pleasantly surprised about TAX. And don’t forget, migrants aren’t your enemy, that’s just the propaganda that some people want you to swallow as it suits their ends for you to believe that. Gbat | |||
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"If I remember correctly the EU had a rule …. " The UK isn’t in the EU so any such rule doesn’t apply. Love that sovereignty! But actually, rules on asylum say that you can claim it in any country you are in. Those are the rules we helped to draw up and agreed to abide by. Gbat. | |||
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"If I remember correctly the EU had a rule that what ever member state these people arrived in first is were they should be kept. I know some of the people are fleeing wars but we are only a small country in the midst of a cost of living crisis, that means we can't help our own people as it costing a lot of money to deal with the refugee's " They're not refugees. | |||
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"Sweden took em in and now it has the biggest trouble in europe with the biggest no go zones and crime through the roof." Research suggests most of those responsible for growing gun crime are *2nd generation* immigrants. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown." ^^^^ THIS 100% | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." Don't the numerous other "safe" eurpean countries they travel through before jumping on a dinghy in Calais offer a safe home ,food and warm clothing ? | |||
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"Grim post. " It is "grim" that there are literally millions of people being displaced from their homes every year by war.
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! There's not enough housing now so wheres everyone going to live? I know of two hotels close to my area that are full of immigrants. Whose paying for them? We are. Whose paying for the detention centres? We are. Whos paying for the border patrols, life boats, police? We are. Meanwhile our roads, schools, hospitals, doctors surgeries are falling to bits and overwelmed with the demand. I'm not against immigration on the whole as we need the labour (even though there's millions of lazy bastards not working claiming benefits) but the country is full ! " The most common reason for choosing the UK, is family already living here. The second most common reason is already speaking the language. As for the housing shortage, did you know that there are nearly a million "second homes" in the uk and over 1 million empty dwellings... not quite FULL yet. Ultimately the "developed" world needs to do more to stop the reasons for populations needing asylum. The majority of people would much rather stay in their country of origin than risk everything, and leave their family, friends, homes, and jobs behind. Also there are literally 1000s of medical professionals (over 2000 doctors alone) amongst the Asylum seekers waiting to be processed. | |||
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"And the hotels are full because the UK government seems to drag their feet on the issue. If the made their decisions in a more timely fashion, people could move into proper communities, earn a wage and live a more fruitful life. Again, asylum seekers aren’t your enemy. That’s just what some people want you to believe. Gbat " If you genuinely believe that all of these "asylum seekers" are here to escape persecution and fear for their lives you have been lured into the bullshit. Yes a percentage will be however the vast majority are economic migrants here because they believe that the streets of the UK are paved with gold and they know the government will give them free everything once here. Explain how a family scared for their lives the husband leaves his entire family behind?? What they do if come over play the system get housing then send for their family so they get a bigger house. If someone is genuine then no problems from me welcome with open arms. But more must be done at source to stop this pandemic of people trafficking they lie and cheat to the migrants extortion and mur Der this has to stop then a fair and regulated system put in place so all countries able to take people do not just the few that currently are. Saudi Arabia one of the country's that didn't sign up to taking migrants back in the day,yet most migrants are from the same region one of the richest countries in the world with enough money and space to house hundreds of thousands but what do they do? Shoot them at the border yet when our government dare house the people on a floating hotel they are seen as being callous? We are a kind and giving nation with compassion and love however this is being exploited and more stringent regulation is required. | |||
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"How many brits migrated from the island to the mainland in the last year I don’t know but just out of interest " Well I'm sure any who did had to jump through many hoops fill out numerous forms and meet a strict criteria. I don't think any jumped on a dingy and paddled across the channel. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown." Why are these people France’s responsibility and not ours and others? (Incidentally many other European nations take in more asylum seekers than we do) | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." Most of them are young men 20-30. They were already safe in France. I do think though they should be allowed to legally work if passed security and health checks. | |||
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"We sent in the army. They created most of the migration." Absoulutley! X | |||
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"If you genuinely believe that all of these "asylum seekers" are here to escape persecution and fear for their lives you have been lured into the bullshit. " I don’t genuinely believe that. There are criminals amongst them just like any other group of people. But demonising a whole group because of a bad few is at the heart of discrimination and racism. " the vast majority are economic migrants here because they believe that the streets of the UK are paved with gold and they know the government will give them free everything once here. " You do know that people die of starvation and thirst? Diseases from dirty water and the like. Those kill you just as much as war does, just usually much slower. If the UK had no food, would you let your children starve or do something about it? And what’s all this free everything they get? Don’t take my word for it, go into Gov.com and look it up. It’s not a lot. Migrants are all ages, but I imagine a father leaving behind a family is a desperate throw of the dice for a decent life. They make the dangerous journey then set up a base for the family. Lots of Brits used to do the same. Head off to an empire country then eventually bring the family over or sometimes start a new family and abandon the old one. By the way, which camp do you fall in? They are stealing all our benefits or they are stealing all our jobs? Gbat | |||
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"If you genuinely believe that all of these "asylum seekers" are here to escape persecution and fear for their lives you have been lured into the bullshit. I don’t genuinely believe that. There are criminals amongst them just like any other group of people. But demonising a whole group because of a bad few is at the heart of discrimination and racism. the vast majority are economic migrants here because they believe that the streets of the UK are paved with gold and they know the government will give them free everything once here. You do know that people die of starvation and thirst? Diseases from dirty water and the like. Those kill you just as much as war does, just usually much slower. If the UK had no food, would you let your children starve or do something about it? And what’s all this free everything they get? Don’t take my word for it, go into Gov.com and look it up. It’s not a lot. Migrants are all ages, but I imagine a father leaving behind a family is a desperate throw of the dice for a decent life. They make the dangerous journey then set up a base for the family. Lots of Brits used to do the same. Head off to an empire country then eventually bring the family over or sometimes start a new family and abandon the old one. By the way, which camp do you fall in? They are stealing all our benefits or they are stealing all our jobs? Gbat" Neither thank you. I'm in the give refuge and help to those that need it. But send the ones just here for a free ride packing. But as I said first of all dealing with the issue at source by dealing with the people profiting from others grief. By setting up large NATO run facilities to help those in the greatest need and move them to a welcoming country via the proper means. I do know one thing if I and my family was in peril the last thing I would do is leave them to fend for themselves and travel a thousand miles away. I'd stay with them regardless of the consequences to myself. | |||
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"Is it time to send in the army ? It's all over the news" so what! | |||
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"I'd stay with them regardless of the consequences to myself." But what about the consequences to them? Stay together and all perish or make a bid for a safe life for all of you? Did you go on the Gov.uk website or will you stick to your fallacies? Gbat | |||
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"Least posts like this make it easier to know which people to avoid "Absolutely! My private note facility has been doing overtime today! x | |||
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! ! " The country is not full at all. | |||
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"If migrants are actively *seeking asylum* (whether from poverty due to war or from being personally persecuted) - which every knows is NO easy thing in any shape or form - how the hell could anyone have the gumption to say it is 'clearly' "bullshit"! If the world keeps getting hotter then more and more will migrate northerly to escape from the unmanageable heat. Is global warming bullshit too? We need to try and sort these global problems instead of being a part of them. pt " And I specifically meant seeking asylum is no easy thing! It's also an actually arrogant myth that most asylum seekers prefer the UK to anywhere else. pt | |||
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! ! The country is not full at all." Seriously ?? You tried getting a doctors or hospital appointment lately? Have you tried travelling anywhere with the roads all clogged up with traffic? Have a go at commuting around any major town especially London. Try getting your kids in to a school or a dentist! | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown." At last a sensible answer,They cost this country billions, while our own population is struggling,  | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown. At last a sensible answer,They cost this country billions, while our own population is struggling,
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! ! The country is not full at all. Seriously ?? You tried getting a doctors or hospital appointment lately? Have you tried travelling anywhere with the roads all clogged up with traffic? Have a go at commuting around any major town especially London. Try getting your kids in to a school or a dentist! " The country is not full. The services you describe are underfunded and short staffed. I sat in an A&E department for 17hrs and 32 minutes, between 17:00 yesterday and 10:28 today (the patient remains in A&E, no ward beds). The people "clogging up" the department, the corridors and all the available space for trollies and wheelchairs, were not boat-crossing immigrants. They were your average white British people, predominantly pensioners, with a smattering of children and a woman with a false toenail ripped off that also took her own nail with it. The number of non-white people in the department was in single figures and the accents were local, for the most part. How is it that we have an A&E departament in the north west declaring a crisis on a Sunday night in early September? | |||
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"At last a sensible answer,They cost this country billions, while our own population is struggling, " The UK is struggling because the current government isn’t good enough. Do a quick google search and you will find that immigration financially benefits the UK. It’s not my opinion, it’s an economic fact. I know that challenges a lot of misconceptions that people have, particularly as a lot of main stream press continually trots out the same old bollocks. But that sells newspapers, makes rich people richer and provides a useful bogeyman for the tories to blame rather than admit their failures. Gbat | |||
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"At last a sensible answer,They cost this country billions, while our own population is struggling, The UK is struggling because the current government isn’t good enough. Do a quick google search and you will find that immigration financially benefits the UK. It’s not my opinion, it’s an economic fact. I know that challenges a lot of misconceptions that people have, particularly as a lot of main stream press continually trots out the same old bollocks. But that sells newspapers, makes rich people richer and provides a useful bogeyman for the tories to blame rather than admit their failures. Gbat " Mate you're wasting your breath trying to point out facts to these people. Just ignore him | |||
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! ! The country is not full at all. Seriously ?? You tried getting a doctors or hospital appointment lately? Have you tried travelling anywhere with the roads all clogged up with traffic? Have a go at commuting around any major town especially London. Try getting your kids in to a school or a dentist! The country is not full. The services you describe are underfunded and short staffed. I sat in an A&E department for 17hrs and 32 minutes, between 17:00 yesterday and 10:28 today (the patient remains in A&E, no ward beds). The people "clogging up" the department, the corridors and all the available space for trollies and wheelchairs, were not boat-crossing immigrants. They were your average white British people, predominantly pensioners, with a smattering of children and a woman with a false toenail ripped off that also took her own nail with it. The number of non-white people in the department was in single figures and the accents were local, for the most part. How is it that we have an A&E departament in the north west declaring a crisis on a Sunday night in early September? " Google says I arrived at 16:56, to be precise. | |||
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"At last a sensible answer,They cost this country billions, while our own population is struggling, The UK is struggling because the current government isn’t good enough. Do a quick google search and you will find that immigration financially benefits the UK. It’s not my opinion, it’s an economic fact. I know that challenges a lot of misconceptions that people have, particularly as a lot of main stream press continually trots out the same old bollocks. But that sells newspapers, makes rich people richer and provides a useful bogeyman for the tories to blame rather than admit their failures. Gbat " One of the first things I learnt in Uni,is that you can make statistics mean anything, I'm not politically motivated, I dont trust any of them,but this problem had been coming for years ,and I agree with the earlier poster,if they are looking for asylum they should go to the first country that they reach ie France, we cant feed the populations now ,the nhs is at breaking point, how will these immigrants help with that Anyway nothing I say will rectify the issue, so I will now out of the conversation now,and continue to hope that an amicable solution will be found , -) | |||
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! ! The country is not full at all. Seriously ?? You tried getting a doctors or hospital appointment lately? Have you tried travelling anywhere with the roads all clogged up with traffic? Have a go at commuting around any major town especially London. Try getting your kids in to a school or a dentist! " Absoulutley nothing to do with migrants! | |||
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"Why do you want to send the army to deal with everything Tom? You know they have an actual job to do already yeah? As for the OP, no. It's not time to send in the army. It's time for this world and humans in it to stop being so shitty to eachother but that's not going to happen unfortunately. " | |||
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"At last a sensible answer,They cost this country billions, while our own population is struggling, The UK is struggling because the current government isn’t good enough. Do a quick google search and you will find that immigration financially benefits the UK. It’s not my opinion, it’s an economic fact. I know that challenges a lot of misconceptions that people have, particularly as a lot of main stream press continually trots out the same old bollocks. But that sells newspapers, makes rich people richer and provides a useful bogeyman for the tories to blame rather than admit their failures. Gbat " Tbf the "economic facts" that the found on Google are about skilled immigration. I couldn't find anything latest specific to refugees. Last data available is from 2019. The employment rate of refugees with asylum status and hence work authorisation, is 50% and even the workers earn less than the average. I am all for helping refugees. But we need to be honest in these debates if we want to do anything constructive. | |||
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"If there is no benefit for them to come to the UK why are so many so keen to get here? A lot will travel through several "safe" european countries to get to the UK. This country is full ! ! The country is not full at all. Seriously ?? You tried getting a doctors or hospital appointment lately? Have you tried travelling anywhere with the roads all clogged up with traffic? Have a go at commuting around any major town especially London. Try getting your kids in to a school or a dentist! " That’s a result of chronic underinvestment in public services thanks to 13 years of austerity conservative government. Cuts that make it impossible to process and manage the situation. Emigration is the next Tory battle cry, just like Brexit, single parent families, and all the other shit they constantly peddle. The Tories always have an enemy to blame rather than admit to their own failures. Your inability to get an appointment with a doctor, being put on hold when you dial 999, or traffic jams have nothing to do with asylum seekers. The money spent on asylum seekers is almost invisible in the day to day spending of any uk government. Stop the boats? Stop the fucking Tories more like! Forum threads like this really act as a great filter! | |||
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"Tbf the "economic facts" that the found on Google are about skilled immigration. I couldn't find anything latest specific to refugees. Last data available is from 2019. The employment rate of refugees with asylum status and hence work authorisation, is 50% and even the workers earn less than the average. I am all for helping refugees. But we need to be honest in these debates if we want to do anything constructive. " But why are you trying to split the figures? Overall, immigration is good for the UK's bank balance. Once the latest people are finally granted full rights, they to (in nearly every case) will also contribute to the economy in a positive way. Gbat | |||
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"Tbf the "economic facts" that the found on Google are about skilled immigration. I couldn't find anything latest specific to refugees. Last data available is from 2019. The employment rate of refugees with asylum status and hence work authorisation, is 50% and even the workers earn less than the average. I am all for helping refugees. But we need to be honest in these debates if we want to do anything constructive. But why are you trying to split the figures? Overall, immigration is good for the UK's bank balance. Once the latest people are finally granted full rights, they to (in nearly every case) will also contribute to the economy in a positive way. Gbat " Because the debate here is about people coming in boats and that's not skilled immigration? Skilled immigration specifically filters out people based on minimum salary and in-demand skills which by design ensures that there is economic benefit in doing so. The employment rate I mentioned above is for people who already have the right to work and it is only around 50%. | |||
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"Is it time to send in the army ? It's all over the news" Let em all in tom.... What we need is more people to support. | |||
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"Why is it the responsibility of France to help these people and not the UK? And have you seen the conditions in the migrant camps near Calais? Gbat " Because they are in France. Who elses responsibility would it be? | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." And there is the issue, bleeding hearts who just won't see the issue. Italy, France, Germany etc etc are all safe countries so why not stop if so desperate. The government fear being called bigots as so many do due to media pressure but we are crippled & our own standard of living being dragged down but this relentless invasion. Undoubtedly the backlog is ridiculous but because of people like yourself most get to stay & be a drain on society where money for education, housing & benefits has never been planned for or any taxes paid towards. | |||
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"Is it time to send in the army ? It's all over the news" Are they running from a country the UK and US are blowing the f*ck out of? Most likely. So the answer is no, dont send in the army, thats what made them have/want to move here in the first place. | |||
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"Is it time to send in the army ? It's all over the news Are they running from a country the UK and US are blowing the f*ck out of? Most likely. So the answer is no, dont send in the army, thats what made them have/want to move here in the first place." Maybe it's just me but I don't see any US or UK aviation bombing any civilians. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. 872 people who came from a safe home where there is food and warm clothing.Its called France.872 people who are not fleeing war or persecution.872 people with at least €5k Euros each to line the pockets of people smugglers who don't give a shit if they drown." How a out we process these people properly see what skills they have and put them to use in jobs that are currently unfilled be because lazy little Englanders feel it's beneath them? We have an aging population with more 50+ in the population than 16yr olds Sk who is going to work and provide you with your pension and keep infrastructure going when you retire hmmmmmm? | |||
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"hotels that used to employ local people who have been sacked. Who works there now then? Does the hotel miraculously become self supporting? £6 million a day is spent on Illegal immigrants, …. Who said they are illegal? How have you made that leap of logic? some of whom who are disappearing into the black economy paying.... wait for it No TAX. You do know that they are forbidden by law from legally working? They aren’t allowed to pay income tax, but of course they pay VAT like everyone else does. And “some” of them? So you think we should have a downer on all of them because “some” of them don’t follow the rules? whilst others are coming specifically to join criminal gangs who don't pay TAX. Are they? Why do you say that? How many of them? And again, “others” so you want to blame all of them? Do a Google search on economic cost/benefit of migrants to the UK. You might be pleasantly surprised about TAX. And don’t forget, migrants aren’t your enemy, that’s just the propaganda that some people want you to swallow as it suits their ends for you to believe that. Gbat " Well said rhojgh I doubt if the op has the intelligence to see that. Just quotes the daily fail Faragee and Rees Moggs be a useful he is too bone idle to actually look at the facts over fiction. Helps justify his own prejudices. | |||
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"If they tried entering Russia or North Korea without permission they would get shot, we definitely need to do something like that. Russia actually weaponised migrants. They arranged cheap flights from Syria and Iraq to Belarus. They then moved them to the border with Poland. They treated them horribly Sounds like the way to go then." The way to go is to mislead people, beat them and force them in an Eastern European winter to cross into Poland. People died because Putin wanted to play games with their lives. That's the way to go? Boris did actually send British military to Poland to help with the humanitarian crisis. | |||
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" Maybe it's just me but I don't see any US or UK aviation bombing any civilians. Look harder! Trace the origin of the people fleeing persecution and then look back at UK involvement. As an example, Syria." And Libya | |||
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" Maybe it's just me but I don't see any US or UK aviation bombing any civilians. Look harder! Trace the origin of the people fleeing persecution and then look back at UK involvement. As an example, Syria." Who is doing the bombing campaigns against civilians again ? Maybe you can go read about Alepo. So I guess you are acceptable of that brutal campaign and you blame the UK and the US. You see Russian tactics in Ukraine. Same tactics as Syria and it's the UK and US fault. You win the internet today. | |||
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" Maybe it's just me but I don't see any US or UK aviation bombing any civilians. Look harder! Trace the origin of the people fleeing persecution and then look back at UK involvement. As an example, Syria. Who is doing the bombing campaigns against civilians again ? Maybe you can go read about Alepo. So I guess you are acceptable of that brutal campaign and you blame the UK and the US. You see Russian tactics in Ukraine. Same tactics as Syria and it's the UK and US fault. You win the internet today." Well Quatar and UAE wanted Assad deposed so they could build a gas pipeline into Europe. USA and UK supported the civil war in Syria for that reason. Russia didn't want to lose its naval port in the Mediterranean and didn't want another gas pipeline into Europe. Gaddafis sin was to plan to stop using petrodollars. So Clinton Cameron and Sarkozy upset the Libyan apple cart. | |||
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"So I guess you are acceptable of that brutal campaign and you blame the UK and the US. You see Russian tactics in Ukraine. Same tactics as Syria and it's the UK and US fault. You win the internet today." Ah, the classic “if you’re not for us, you’re against us” narrow minded, short thinking, sound bite reposte. It’s not what I said. You said you couldn’t see US/UK bombings. I pointed out one. No need to mention the shit show of Afghanistan (and those the US and UK used before leaving them behind), Iraq, Lybia or the atrocities other countries are doing. No, I do not support Russian aggression, thank you. Why do people have difficulty seeing that if someone is in such a desperate situation where their best option is to leave their families, friends and homelands, get into debt with criminals, and embark on life threatening journeys, risking everything in the small hope of finding a better life elsewhere… they might need more than condemnation from little England? These threads may not improve the lot of those in the boats, but they sure narrow down the list of those I’d swing with. | |||
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"These migrant flows are partially blowback of Western foreign policy. The war in Syria was encouraged by the west. Gaddafi in Lybia was deposed for wanting to break the neocolonial hold over Africa by wanting to establish a pan African gold backed Dinar. Lybia held back a lot of the illegal immigration that now pours into southern Europe and warned this would happen if he was toppled. People should hold the politicians who encouraged this accountable. Unfortunately these people are "illegal immigrants" because they didn't go through a formal application process. Are some refugees? Yes. Most are economic migrants and young men of military age. They come from a background vastly different from our own and as a general rule, do not integrate well. They are unskilled and most speak little to no English, offering no benefit to the country as a whole, becoming a constant financial drain. Any sane politician's first priority (at least in theory) is to safeguard and promote the well being, safety and prosperity of their citizens. A country that can't control its borders will collapse given enough time." There IS NO legal route for refugees into the UK. Our government has refused to create one. I don't understand HOW people can miss this basic fact time and time again. | |||
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"Unpopular opinion but I think the fugees produced better music when they all went solo " Ms. Hill certainly did. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." What? I can’t believe people really believe this. 872 economic migrants who have passed through dozens of safe countries. | |||
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"Refugees are 4x more likely to be unemployed than a native Brit." Whilst also stealing all our jobs. That's pretty darn impressive. | |||
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"These migrant flows are partially blowback of Western foreign policy. The war in Syria was encouraged by the west. Gaddafi in Lybia was deposed for wanting to break the neocolonial hold over Africa by wanting to establish a pan African gold backed Dinar. Lybia held back a lot of the illegal immigration that now pours into southern Europe and warned this would happen if he was toppled. People should hold the politicians who encouraged this accountable. Unfortunately these people are "illegal immigrants" because they didn't go through a formal application process. Are some refugees? Yes. Most are economic migrants and young men of military age. They come from a background vastly different from our own and as a general rule, do not integrate well. They are unskilled and most speak little to no English, offering no benefit to the country as a whole, becoming a constant financial drain. Any sane politician's first priority (at least in theory) is to safeguard and promote the well being, safety and prosperity of their citizens. A country that can't control its borders will collapse given enough time. There IS NO legal route for refugees into the UK. Our government has refused to create one. I don't understand HOW people can miss this basic fact time and time again. " There’s a safe way to be a refugee in Europe. Though let’s be clear most people aren’t refugees and also yes there is a safe route for certain people as we’ve seen happen with people from Afghanistan, Ukraine, Hong Kong etc. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. What? I can’t believe people really believe this. 872 economic migrants who have passed through dozens of safe countries." Dozens. Really. They have the right to apply for refugee status in a country of their choice. | |||
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"These migrant flows are partially blowback of Western foreign policy. The war in Syria was encouraged by the west. Gaddafi in Lybia was deposed for wanting to break the neocolonial hold over Africa by wanting to establish a pan African gold backed Dinar. Lybia held back a lot of the illegal immigration that now pours into southern Europe and warned this would happen if he was toppled. People should hold the politicians who encouraged this accountable. Unfortunately these people are "illegal immigrants" because they didn't go through a formal application process. Are some refugees? Yes. Most are economic migrants and young men of military age. They come from a background vastly different from our own and as a general rule, do not integrate well. They are unskilled and most speak little to no English, offering no benefit to the country as a whole, becoming a constant financial drain. Any sane politician's first priority (at least in theory) is to safeguard and promote the well being, safety and prosperity of their citizens. A country that can't control its borders will collapse given enough time. There IS NO legal route for refugees into the UK. Our government has refused to create one. I don't understand HOW people can miss this basic fact time and time again. There’s a safe way to be a refugee in Europe. Though let’s be clear most people aren’t refugees and also yes there is a safe route for certain people as we’ve seen happen with people from Afghanistan, Ukraine, Hong Kong etc." Is there a safe way. How brilliant that you have solved the problem. | |||
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"These migrant flows are partially blowback of Western foreign policy. The war in Syria was encouraged by the west. Gaddafi in Lybia was deposed for wanting to break the neocolonial hold over Africa by wanting to establish a pan African gold backed Dinar. Lybia held back a lot of the illegal immigration that now pours into southern Europe and warned this would happen if he was toppled. People should hold the politicians who encouraged this accountable. Unfortunately these people are "illegal immigrants" because they didn't go through a formal application process. Are some refugees? Yes. Most are economic migrants and young men of military age. They come from a background vastly different from our own and as a general rule, do not integrate well. They are unskilled and most speak little to no English, offering no benefit to the country as a whole, becoming a constant financial drain. Any sane politician's first priority (at least in theory) is to safeguard and promote the well being, safety and prosperity of their citizens. A country that can't control its borders will collapse given enough time. There IS NO legal route for refugees into the UK. Our government has refused to create one. I don't understand HOW people can miss this basic fact time and time again. " The problem is a large majority of these people consider themselves refugees but are not fleeing persecution or war. They are fleeing from poverty, making them illegal economic migrants. You can be as empathetic and charitable as you like to their predicament, but the more you attempt to help the more will come. At some point the system is overwhelmed and collapses. | |||
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"These migrant flows are partially blowback of Western foreign policy. The war in Syria was encouraged by the west. Gaddafi in Lybia was deposed for wanting to break the neocolonial hold over Africa by wanting to establish a pan African gold backed Dinar. Lybia held back a lot of the illegal immigration that now pours into southern Europe and warned this would happen if he was toppled. People should hold the politicians who encouraged this accountable. Unfortunately these people are "illegal immigrants" because they didn't go through a formal application process. Are some refugees? Yes. Most are economic migrants and young men of military age. They come from a background vastly different from our own and as a general rule, do not integrate well. They are unskilled and most speak little to no English, offering no benefit to the country as a whole, becoming a constant financial drain. Any sane politician's first priority (at least in theory) is to safeguard and promote the well being, safety and prosperity of their citizens. A country that can't control its borders will collapse given enough time. There IS NO legal route for refugees into the UK. Our government has refused to create one. I don't understand HOW people can miss this basic fact time and time again. " You don't understand because you don't understand how facts work. There are more than one LEGAL routes into the UK. That's a FACT. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. What? I can’t believe people really believe this. 872 economic migrants who have passed through dozens of safe countries. Dozens. Really. They have the right to apply for refugee status in a country of their choice. " Yes actually dozens - people aren’t all coming from the same place. And no they don’t have that right to choose the specific country. They have the right to flee to the nearest safe country if they are fleeing genuine war or persecution. Also If you’re a genuine refugee you just want to be somewhere safe. | |||
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"Why is it the responsibility of France to help these people and not the UK? And have you seen the conditions in the migrant camps near Calais? Gbat Because under all sorts of laws,UN ,EU it is the legal responsibility of France to do so.The migrants are in FRANCE.The French however are smart enough to know that every migrant sent to the UK is a migrant the French state (taxpayer) isn't paying for." If we hadn't left the EU, France would have had an obligation under EU Law. Brexiteers fucked themselves on this one. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. What? I can’t believe people really believe this. 872 economic migrants who have passed through dozens of safe countries. Dozens. Really. They have the right to apply for refugee status in a country of their choice. Yes actually dozens - people aren’t all coming from the same place. And no they don’t have that right to choose the specific country. They have the right to flee to the nearest safe country if they are fleeing genuine war or persecution. Also If you’re a genuine refugee you just want to be somewhere safe. " There is no requirement to seek asylum in the first safe country. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no. And there is the issue, bleeding hearts who just won't see the issue. Italy, France, Germany etc etc are all safe countries so why not stop if so desperate. The government fear being called bigots as so many do due to media pressure but we are crippled & our own standard of living being dragged down but this relentless invasion. Undoubtedly the backlog is ridiculous but because of people like yourself most get to stay & be a drain on society where money for education, housing & benefits has never been planned for or any taxes paid towards." The current Govt are fearful of being called bigots?! Really?? The same Govt that is making the Rwanda plan and the same Govt that describes asylum seekers as invaders etc?? You've got to be kidding. This Govt ARE bigots and are quite happy to be identified as such. | |||
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"You never know, one of them might end up serving you your nice cappuccino one day, or maybe clean up the toilets in a hospital. Or mend your car, or save your life when you have a heart attack. They're all people, just like us. They are more likely to work in call centers" Is that not a job that’s needed, then? | |||
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"These migrant flows are partially blowback of Western foreign policy. The war in Syria was encouraged by the west. Gaddafi in Lybia was deposed for wanting to break the neocolonial hold over Africa by wanting to establish a pan African gold backed Dinar. Lybia held back a lot of the illegal immigration that now pours into southern Europe and warned this would happen if he was toppled. People should hold the politicians who encouraged this accountable. Unfortunately these people are "illegal immigrants" because they didn't go through a formal application process. Are some refugees? Yes. Most are economic migrants and young men of military age. They come from a background vastly different from our own and as a general rule, do not integrate well. They are unskilled and most speak little to no English, offering no benefit to the country as a whole, becoming a constant financial drain. Any sane politician's first priority (at least in theory) is to safeguard and promote the well being, safety and prosperity of their citizens. A country that can't control its borders will collapse given enough time. There IS NO legal route for refugees into the UK. Our government has refused to create one. I don't understand HOW people can miss this basic fact time and time again. The problem is a large majority of these people consider themselves refugees but are not fleeing persecution or war. They are fleeing from poverty, making them illegal economic migrants. You can be as empathetic and charitable as you like to their predicament, but the more you attempt to help the more will come. At some point the system is overwhelmed and collapses." I agree and the system is overwhelmed. But why can't they be scaned as like you do for a passport given an I'd card with a NI number on it and left to go on there way its the facked they get free food and accommodation that it drawing them over. | |||
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"It looks like the French police are preventing the inflatables from casting off by stabbing them on the beach, the economic migrants are not happy setting fires on the beach in protest and becoming aggressive towards the police. Is this the start of the 500 million pound push back. " They already were violent to the french police, that's why they said just let them go, better that than an officer getting killed. The people smugglers have too much money to loose so violence is rife | |||
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"You never know, one of them might end up serving you your nice cappuccino one day, or maybe clean up the toilets in a hospital. Or mend your car, or save your life when you have a heart attack. They're all people, just like us. They are more likely to work in call centers Is that not a job that’s needed, then?" They should work on the HMRC phone lines. Maybe someone will answer then! | |||
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"It looks like the French police are preventing the inflatables from casting off by stabbing them on the beach, the economic migrants are not happy setting fires on the beach in protest and becoming aggressive towards the police. Is this the start of the 500 million pound push back. They already were violent to the french police, that's why they said just let them go, better that than an officer getting killed. The people smugglers have too much money to loose so violence is rife" If someone threatens to kill police then they will clearly threaten to kill others. So why is it “better” to let them go? | |||
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"Is it time to send in the army ? It's all over the news " Given the numbers of migrants who are constantly missing at sea around Europe this is a bit tasteless really. Regarding the army's 'stand in' supply role, this hardly constitutes a national crisis. Migration has always happened and we are hardly alone, nor the main attraction in Europe as so many of us vainly think. pt | |||
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"Easy solution. The people that are all for illegal migrants should take them in their homes and be entirely responsible for them and provide them with that save haven. If they do anything criminally to society those hosts are just as responsible." Yes agree, all you do Gooders take them in if you so out raged, you pay for them and when they stab you in the Back or kill your family then that's on you. | |||
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"It looks like the French police are preventing the inflatables from casting off by stabbing them on the beach, the economic migrants are not happy setting fires on the beach in protest and becoming aggressive towards the police. Is this the start of the 500 million pound push back. They already were violent to the french police, that's why they said just let them go, better that than an officer getting killed. The people smugglers have too much money to loose so violence is rife If someone threatens to kill police then they will clearly threaten to kill others. So why is it “better” to let them go?" Ask the French police, it was their words | |||
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"Easy solution. The people that are all for illegal migrants should take them in their homes and be entirely responsible for them and provide them with that save haven. If they do anything criminally to society those hosts are just as responsible. Yes agree, all you do Gooders take them in if you so out raged, you pay for them and when they stab you in the Back or kill your family then that's on you." That's a tad extreme,I'm sure most are decent human beings but there is the crux of the problem no one knows. | |||
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"Easy solution. The people that are all for illegal migrants should take them in their homes and be entirely responsible for them and provide them with that save haven. If they do anything criminally to society those hosts are just as responsible. " It's an easy 'solution' to removing people you mean! Many do take them in, the last part is just a nonsense rule to stop even this of course. pt | |||
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"They are more likely to work in call centers Is that not a job that’s needed, then? Yes but they can do that from abroad" But they aren't abroad. They are in the UK. That's what the thread is about. Gbat | |||
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"They are more likely to work in call centers Is that not a job that’s needed, then? Yes but they can do that from abroad But they aren't abroad. They are in the UK. That's what the thread is about. Gbat " Oh hey its you again, how pleasant. | |||
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"872 people who need a safe home, food and warm clothing. Unless you mean the army catering corps, no." | |||
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"Easy solution. The people that are all for illegal migrants should take them in their homes and be entirely responsible for them and provide them with that save haven. If they do anything criminally to society those hosts are just as responsible. It's an easy 'solution' to removing people you mean! Many do take them in, the last part is just a nonsense rule to stop even this of course. pt" It's logical. This way it's on the person who takes responsibility for the immigrants. This way tax payers and the government are not responsible. It solves all the bickering. If you can't do that than quit being so righteous and expect others to agree with you. | |||
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"Easy solution. The people that are all for illegal migrants should take them in their homes and be entirely responsible for them and provide them with that save haven. If they do anything criminally to society those hosts are just as responsible. It's an easy 'solution' to removing people you mean! Many do take them in, the last part is just a nonsense rule to stop even this of course. pt It's logical. This way it's on the person who takes responsibility for the immigrants. This way tax payers and the government are not responsible. It solves all the bickering. If you can't do that than quit being so righteous and expect others to agree with you. " You know if you were any more to the Right you'd fall off the planet. pt | |||
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