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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ok just chatting to a friend in the us who’s studying psychology and she is flummoxed at the fact that Sado Masochism is actually classed as a mental disorder.

What’s your take on that?

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By *avinaTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Transsexual Transylvania

I always knew you bdsm types were cooked.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Catharsis is found in many ways.

I don't consider it a mental illness as long as it's dealt with appropriately between consenting adults.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Is it!? The men in white coats will be knocking on our door very soon then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People often class things they don't understand as illness

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By *rimson_RoseWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth

If it’s a healthy outlet for some of life’s less fun parts, I’m down for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're coming to take me away...

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By *vilgasamWoman
over a year ago

The dot in the i


"People often class things they don't understand as illness "

^^^ this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's few years now it's not classified as mental illness anymore

Time to buy some new books

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By *mber81Woman
over a year ago

Chorley, Eng


"Ok just chatting to a friend in the us who’s studying psychology and she is flummoxed at the fact that Sado Masochism is actually classed as a mental disorder.

What’s your take on that?"

Damn it. Got over depression but now I will speak to my therapist and see if he can diagnose me with sado masochism sub category switch.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton


"Ok just chatting to a friend in the us who’s studying psychology and she is flummoxed at the fact that Sado Masochism is actually classed as a mental disorder.

What’s your take on that?"

Is transgender also classed as mental illness? Could you ask her to clarify please?

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Diagnostic criteria requires that the patient experience distress, such as shame, guilt or anxiety related to sexual fantasy, urges or sexual experiences. Milder forms of masochism between consenting adults, sometimes also referred to as "BDSM" or dominant and submissive, are not classified as disorders by the DSM-5.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Actually just checked and SM disorder is still classified

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely any fetish could be described as a mental disorder?

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Homosexuality was classified as such until recently.

Heterosexual white men, with little to no understanding or attempt at understanding, have often been quick to classify things as illnesses that aren’t or as not being real if they don’t accept them.

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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone


"Milder forms of masochism between consenting adults, sometimes also referred to as "BDSM" or dominant and submissive, are not classified as disorders by the DSM-5."

Interesting... I know we share a lot across the pond but isn't it the ICD that the NHS uses on this side? There is a lot of overlap and influence between the DSM and ICD.

I just did a search and interesting article in the Northern Ireland Civil Service MH wellness site (NICSwell) has article that quotes Dutch Study that concludes people who go into BDSM with full understanding have better mental health that most.

I looked at BDSM-dates through a friend's profile and there are some seriously damaged people on there...

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually


"Interesting... I know we share a lot across the pond but isn't it the ICD that the NHS uses on this side? There is a lot of overlap and influence between the DSM and ICD.

I just did a search and interesting article in the Northern Ireland Civil Service MH wellness site (NICSwell) has article that quotes Dutch Study that concludes people who go into BDSM with full understanding have better mental health that most.

I looked at BDSM-dates through a friend's profile and there are some seriously damaged people on there..."

I wouldn't know about the NHS, the therapists they gave me were not the right fit for me, so I went private. The DSM is the one held in the highest regard across most of the therapists I've talked to.

As a happy masochist, I'm inclined to agree that those who go into it with full understanding tend towards being more mentally healthy, but of course I would be inclined to think that.

There are many broken and lost people across all areas, but it is glaringly apparent in communities that are more open, because they're more open.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah I don't think it is per se.

It's true about understanding, but I expect they study this quite a lot! pt

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Actually just checked and SM disorder is still classified "

you need to cite better than that really

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)


"Ok just chatting to a friend in the us who’s studying psychology and she is flummoxed at the fact that Sado Masochism is actually classed as a mental disorder.

What’s your take on that?"

My take is its in the DSM-5 classed as a neurological disorder, along with fetishm and anything BDSM.

But bear in mind who wrote this, middle class, white, 1st world male Doctors.

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly


"Homosexuality was classified as such until recently.

Heterosexual white men, with little to no understanding or attempt at understanding, have often been quick to classify things as illnesses that aren’t or as not being real if they don’t accept them. "

Mic drop!

Signed, a hysterical woman

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)


"Homosexuality was classified as such until recently.

Heterosexual white men, with little to no understanding or attempt at understanding, have often been quick to classify things as illnesses that aren’t or as not being real if they don’t accept them.

Mic drop!

Signed, a hysterical woman "

You need to see Freud

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly


"Homosexuality was classified as such until recently.

Heterosexual white men, with little to no understanding or attempt at understanding, have often been quick to classify things as illnesses that aren’t or as not being real if they don’t accept them.

Mic drop!

Signed, a hysterical woman

You need to see Freud "

Oh he can fuck right off

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Ok, the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is an oft-criticised American publication (by the American Psychiatric Association, APA) and I encountered international differences in approach when I looked at Asperger's and Autism for someone a while ago.

The last edition DSM-5 came out in 2013, and it was revised as DSM-5-TSR in 2022 (which seems to happen as the new edition, ie DSM-6, approaches).

I can't see this area as having been changed in DSM-5-TSR (? ?), but maybe in DSM-6 it will be, along with Transvestitism - who knows.

The argument can always be that these are for the clear 'disorders' that are related to those things (which can happen for sure), but given that they are also simple (and common) sexual fetishes (or in the case of 'cross' dressing perhaps sexuality or a lack of social mores too - who's to say who dressed in what Mr Izzard) I am sure that the language surrounding all this can change.

pt

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Thanks for all the replies, very insightful.

I do think that a lot of people misunderstand the situation (including those in the mental health field) and they need some education on the subject

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