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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

I was talking to someone on Friday and they were asking about my accident, what I did for a living before etc etc. when I said I worked similar to what a electrician did, the response back was "oh you were just an electrician". Now I have heard this a few times over my working life and before when a teacher said "you could do whatever you wanted why just an electrician".

I have always been proud at what I have done and that of all my family members. We were all told " do what you like, as long as you enjoy it and do it to the best of your ability"

So the question do you think the "trades" are below you in social circles. As you can tell I do not, I have always thought if you are working what you do is valuable to the country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In Germany engineers are up there with doctors and scientists.

Clerical workers seem to look down on craftsman

Skilled workers should have more social standing

This needs to change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

strongly believe every job out there is a worthy one. Id love to see how the country would run without electricians lol.. its a very skilled trade and im sure the average person would be stuffed not knowing your skills

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm a great fan of tradesmen, to me they are just as professional as many of the traditional professions...

When do you ever need a banker at 3am cos your electrics have gone bang/your boiler has died/water is coming through the ceiling?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"strongly believe every job out there is a worthy one. Id love to see how the country would run without electricians lol.. its a very skilled trade and im sure the average person would be stuffed not knowing your skills "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a great fan of tradesmen, to me they are just as professional as many of the traditional professions...

When do you ever need a banker at 3am cos your electrics have gone bang/your boiler has died/water is coming through the ceiling?

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"I'm a great fan of tradesmen, to me they are just as professional as many of the traditional professions...

When do you ever need a banker at 3am cos your electrics have gone bang/your boiler has died/water is coming through the ceiling?

That is a valid point. One of my sisters is a head teacher and she is still amazed how much training and exams I have done though my working life. As my father always says "the bin men stopped the country working",

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope its a job and a trade,and without electricians we would all be buggered.

I don't think any trade is below that of another,every job needs to be done and ive respect for anyone who wants to work instead of sitting at home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every job is important to society from electrician to banker to bin man, every skill is important to how sociaty works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps the person responded with an unfortunate choice of phrase rather than directly intending to decry the worth of your previous occupation…

It’s easy to take things the wrong way , it’s not uncommon to hear skilled trades people engaging in friendly banter challenging the value of each others occupation against their own… !!

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"Perhaps the person responded with an unfortunate choice of phrase rather than directly intending to decry the worth of your previous occupation…

It’s easy to take things the wrong way , it’s not uncommon to hear skilled trades people engaging in friendly banter challenging the value of each others occupation against their own… !!

That reminds me of a chippie, bricklayer and spark in pub. Chippie and brickie are arguing about who's trade was the oldest. Chippie says well we built noar's ark, brickie replies well we built hanging gardens. Sparkie is sat there laughing to himself, the two ask why you laughing your trade is only a hundred or so years old. Sparkie replied on the first day god said let there be light, we had run the cables, installed the switchgear, tested and was ready for switched on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps the person responded with an unfortunate choice of phrase rather than directly intending to decry the worth of your previous occupation…

It’s easy to take things the wrong way , it’s not uncommon to hear skilled trades people engaging in friendly banter challenging the value of each others occupation against their own… !!

Now you see….. there lye’s another contentious issue,,,,,, landlubbers referring to Electricians as “Sparkies” would cause a few raised eyebrows amongst Radio Officers who also lay claim to that title…

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"Perhaps the person responded with an unfortunate choice of phrase rather than directly intending to decry the worth of your previous occupation…

It’s easy to take things the wrong way , it’s not uncommon to hear skilled trades people engaging in friendly banter challenging the value of each others occupation against their own… !!

Over the years I was called by many different names, some not very pleasant.

I did once say to a IT specialist, just remember you supply expensive door stops until I decide you can have power put on to them. First lesson for IT is be nice to the Electrician, he might be a twat but he puts the power on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps the person responded with an unfortunate choice of phrase rather than directly intending to decry the worth of your previous occupation…

It’s easy to take things the wrong way , it’s not uncommon to hear skilled trades people engaging in friendly banter challenging the value of each others occupation against their own… !!

Over the years I was called by many different names, some not very pleasant.

I remember being very unpopular amongst the electrician’s onboard one rig I worked, because I refused to allocate them with help for pulling new cables they were installing, after they had refused to help the rig-welder pull his “dirty” cables so he could install a transit box for their new cable to pass though a bulkhead.. …

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

anyone who says 'just' towards any occupation best remember personal circumstances can change and they find themselves looking for such a role....

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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Think you can use the decca navigator as an anchor now though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think you can use the decca navigator as an anchor now though

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't and I used to continually tell my ex boss off for saying on the phone "it's only Maddie" as to me no-one is only and that works with just too. And realistically given the training you had to do compared to me, an electrician is way above an administrator

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Anybody and in any context who feels the need to belittle another person by saying you are "only"..... has to be insecure. A genuinely secure person with a healthy self esteem would not dream of trying to belittle or make inferior another person.

And btw... give me an electrician anytime - they sure know how to set off a spark

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i worked in retail for ten years whilst kids were little as i managed to get term time etc - now im persuing something ive wanted to do for years - the ex said to me how you doing in your proper job - nearly lamped him one - my doing the improper job enabled the kids to stay home etc which is what we wanted (both now at uni - i did summat right )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wish I could wire a plug mate. Being red green colourblind means I'd probably fry myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone who looks down in any profession is a snob, and should have a good think about what shit they are about to spout.

Sorry about the language, these people really annoy me. All jobs are important and contribute to society.

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

I quite agree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was talking to someone on Friday and they were asking about my accident, what I did for a living before etc etc. when I said I worked similar to what a electrician did, the response back was "oh you were just an electrician". Now I have heard this a few times over my working life and before when a teacher said "you could do whatever you wanted why just an electrician".

I have always been proud at what I have done and that of all my family members. We were all told " do what you like, as long as you enjoy it and do it to the best of your ability"

So the question do you think the "trades" are below you in social circles. As you can tell I do not, I have always thought if you are working what you do is valuable to the country"

Having been a bricklayer for most of my life, I've found I am more unpopular now that I work for HMRC...I just dont understand

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Before I got onto my multi-skills apprenticeship (Plumbing, electrical, ect) I was quite surprised when my advisor told me I was "better than that". and then tried to offer me an AIR HOSTESS position?!!

For years and years I've wanted to get into a trade that would stay with me for life, I've done retail and the well-paid office jobs and to be honest, they bored me to tears! I hated being cooped up in offices and want something that will allow me to get out and about and keep me physically active.

I don't understand why so many people look down on what I'm doing, it's a useful skill that will ALWAYS provide jobs and *ahem*, it's not exactly like it's low-paid!!!

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a skilled worker in the hospitality industry, I have experianced job snobbery on many occassions. When I was younger I used to get embarrassed.But thanks to all the chef related cooking programmes over the years, its no longer scoured in the same way.

Besides, I would not change my career choice if given a second chance. The sexploits I had over the years reads like porn stars memoirs. People who.work in the hospitality industry think everyone else is having a great time and over compensate! Bunch of freaking randy bar stewards we are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anybody and in any context who feels the need to belittle another person by saying you are "only"..... has to be insecure. A genuinely secure person with a healthy self esteem would not dream of trying to belittle or make inferior another person.

And btw... give me an electrician anytime - they sure know how to set off a spark

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

I have always been proud at what I have done and that of all my family members. We were all told " do what you like, as long as you enjoy it and do it to the best of your ability"

So the question do you think the "trades" are below you in social circles. As you can tell I do not, I have always thought if you are working what you do is valuable to the country"

I for one can't do electrical work as it is a dangerous medium in the wrong hands. You are way UP THERE in my book

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"anyone who says 'just' towards any occupation best remember personal circumstances can change and they find themselves looking for such a role...."

spot on as usual..

does my head in when folk say 'i'm only a cleaner..

each role is important, if no one cleaned well we would be in shit state..

for the want of a nail...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a multi skilled engineer, mechanical, electrical and PLC's, have been all my working life. It's always amused me the way that white collar workers have looked down their noses at people like me until they find out just how much our skills are needed and how much we earn by comparison. They soon eat some humble pie lol

My dad told me when I was leaving school to get a trade and I would always be in work, he wasn't wrong 36 years of continuous employment later.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I'm a multi skilled engineer, mechanical, electrical and PLC's, have been all my working life. It's always amused me the way that white collar workers have looked down their noses at people like me until they find out just how much our skills are needed and how much we earn by comparison. They soon eat some humble pie lol

My dad told me when I was leaving school to get a trade and I would always be in work, he wasn't wrong 36 years of continuous employment later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so a few of you tradesmen and women have now mentioned its not low paid... is that your justification for it to be a worthy job?

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

"so a few of you tradesmen and women have now mentioned its not low paid... is that your justification for it to be a worthy job? "

Nope, I like it because it's physical and I have a personal interest in plumbing and electrical. x

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Often took things apart to see how they worked. x

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Job satisfaction (maybe that should be a new thread?) is about much more than pay - it is about meeting one's needs at more than one and possibly all levels of a hierarchy of needs.

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By *TUDLY_GOOD_FUCKMan
over a year ago

mansfield

It doesent matter to me what you do for a living.

It don't make you more or less of a person weather you wear a suit, uniform, overalls

Or no clothes at all.

What's more important is that it makes you happy.

I've been a stone Mason for 20 years and loved every Minuit of it.

I get great satisfaction standing back and saying to my self... Shit did I just make that?

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"so a few of you tradesmen and women have now mentioned its not low paid... is that your justification for it to be a worthy job? "

My work life as always been well paid, over the years I have worked on some rather big projects and achieved results that was considered impossible by others. I been given bonuses that a banker would think was good. The money is great but for me it was always the challenge and walking away knowing I had left a well finished job.

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"It doesent matter to me what you do for a living.

It don't make you more or less of a person weather you wear a suit, uniform, overalls

Or no clothes at all.

What's more important is that it makes you happy.

I've been a stone Mason for 20 years and loved every Minuit of it.

I get great satisfaction standing back and saying to my self... Shit did I just make that?

Stone masons are the artist of construction. Must be great thinking your work could be standing for centuries

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"It doesent matter to me what you do for a living.

It don't make you more or less of a person weather you wear a suit, uniform, overalls

Or no clothes at all.

What's more important is that it makes you happy.

I've been a stone Mason for 20 years and loved every Minuit of it.

I get great satisfaction standing back and saying to my self... Shit did I just make that?

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby

I'd rate any 'trade' against the likes of bankers who need no formal qualifications and only train on the job!

No one should be defined by the work they do so to use 'just an' is quite insulting really. What I mean is if a Doctor a window cleaner and a police man were to stand naked in front of you how would you know what they did for a living! You would not so its pointless to judge.

Every job is as vital as the next imo, the CEO of a multi million pound company is no better than the person who cleans the toilets and neither can do their job without the other...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest …. No matter how valued you feel in whatever job your do, whatever you get paid becomes trivialised when you see at first hand the toil and effort some people make everyday just to survive and provide enough sustenance for their families and loved ones to make it through to another day,,,

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"To be honest …. No matter how valued you feel in whatever job your do, whatever you get paid becomes trivialised when you see at first hand the toil and effort some people make everyday just to survive and provide enough sustenance for their families and loved ones to make it through to another day,,, "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my profession drivers get treated as 3 rd class citerzens. Went into the office the other day and got told drivers are not allowed in here go in the drivers room where you belong. Nice lol

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

over the years I have heard people describe themselves as a 'just'...

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"In my profession drivers get treated as 3 rd class citerzens. Went into the office the other day and got told drivers are not allowed in here go in the drivers room where you belong. Nice lol

I could or would not want to ever speak to anyone like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It happens a lot unfortunately

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"It happens a lot unfortunately "

Often used to have to help unload and would never have even thought to speak to someone like that

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over a year ago

I've been working at The Temple for the last eight months and there has been a certain element of people looking down their noses and thinking 'he's just a decorator'. Not a lot but its definitely there. Oddly enough it isn't coming from the Lords ,Ladies, Judges,QC's and Barristers,who are all as nice as pie. It comes from the Clerks. The barrow boys of the legal profession. Sadly they're usually my first point of contact.

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"I've been working at The Temple for the last eight months and there has been a certain element of people looking down their noses and thinking 'he's just a decorator'. Not a lot but its definitely there. Oddly enough it isn't coming from the Lords ,Ladies, Judges,QC's and Barristers,who are all as nice as pie. It comes from the Clerks. The barrow boys of the legal profession. Sadly they're usually my first point of contact."

You have to love them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lords, ladies and QCs etc have all been round the block.

And even though they are educated to the highest level, realise that you never JUDGE a book by its cover.

Forgive the pun

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

My husband is a professional singer and guitarist and has toured all over the world and people are always of the opinion that it is all sunshine and roses etc but have no real idea of what it really takes to put on such concerts with all the travelling and rehearsing and logistics. But he does always say that he understands he gets paid very well to do something he enjoys

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

if some people are given extra responsibility too early, they lose a lot of humility in their pursuit of ego....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It happens a lot unfortunately "

Can I ask?... do you mind when people familiarly address you as "driver"? ( "as in thank-you driver" or " can you move it over there driver" etc)

I know its not done meaning anything bad,,, But its just something I hear being said now and again, and not something I'd be comfortable saying!

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"My husband is a professional singer and guitarist and has toured all over the world and people are always of the opinion that it is all sunshine and roses etc but have no real idea of what it really takes to put on such concerts with all the travelling and rehearsing and logistics. But he does always say that he understands he gets paid very well to do something he enjoys"

I couldn't hold a tune if I had a bucket and my life depended on it. I could use a sound desk and rig and control lights but am tone deaf

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"It happens a lot unfortunately

Can I ask?... do you mind when people familiarly address you as "driver"? ( "as in thank-you driver" or " can you move it over there driver" etc)

I know its not done meaning anything bad,,, But its just something I hear being said now and again, and not something I'd be comfortable saying!

I always used to ask their name and the great thing was most of the time you got things done with less hassle

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

I couldn't hold a tune if I had a bucket and my life depended on it. I could use a sound desk and rig and control lights but am tone deaf

LOL, well it hasn't stopped half the boy and girl bands of the last 15 years having a career ! LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so a few of you tradesmen and women have now mentioned its not low paid... is that your justification for it to be a worthy job? "

For me the pay doesn't make it a worthy job, I love my job, it's a pleasure to go to work and do what I do best every working day and for other people to appreciate the level of commitment and skill needed to do that work. The pay is an added bonus that allows me to do the things I want to do away from the workplace. If I had to I would do the same job for less money as I'm happy with what I do, I can't imagine doing anything different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It happens a lot unfortunately

Can I ask?... do you mind when people familiarly address you as "driver"? ( "as in thank-you driver" or " can you move it over there driver" etc)

I know its not done meaning anything bad,,, But its just something I hear being said now and again, and not something I'd be comfortable saying!

I always used to ask their name and the great thing was most of the time you got things done with less hassle"

Yeah, I'm all for that,,,, On the rigs we always wore name tags so people could call each other by first name or chosen nick-name…

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

"It happens a lot unfortunately

Can I ask?... do you mind when people familiarly address you as "driver"? ( "as in thank-you driver" or " can you move it over there driver" etc)

I know its not done meaning anything bad,,, But its just something I hear being said now and again, and not something I'd be comfortable saying!

I always used to ask their name and the great thing was most of the time you got things done with less hassle

Yeah, I'm all for that,,,, On the rigs we always wore name tags so people could call each other by first name or chosen nick-name…

Politeness as always helped me and by using someone's name it helps show that you are bothered enough to use it

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By *ucspark OP Man
over a year ago

dudley

I couldn't hold a tune if I had a bucket and my life depended on it. I could use a sound desk and rig and control lights but am tone deaf

LOL, well it hasn't stopped half the boy and girl bands of the last 15 years having a career ! LOL"

True but I really could not hold a tune if my life depended on it

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By *TUDLY_GOOD_FUCKMan
over a year ago

mansfield

I also get a little conused at profiles reading professional cpl/man/woman/tv looking to meet professional.....

A guy I know is a professional burglar,

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to meet him though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My wife does part-time cleaning in a housing scheme for elderly people. She has attended various H&S courses and a food hygiene course and is proud of her work. One day one of the residents said something to her and finished with 'and you are just the cleaner'. Wife said if it wasn't for 'just the cleaner' the could be an outbreak of legionella (she does water testing) or any amount of other illnesses should she not do her job properly, plus she is the only person qualified to handle food if there is a function at the premises.

I have the same thing at work - I'm a manager and I have quite a lot of security guards in my charge. A while ago one of the guards asked for a small fan heater to put under a reception desk he was working at. I sent in a request to the helpdesk for a heater. I overheard one of the helpdesk people say 'he's just a guard, why does he need a heater?' to her colleague. I was not amused and ripped into her - telling her is was because he was 'just a guard' that she and her colleagues can work in a safe and secure environment, and I gave her some other home truths why the guards were not 'just guards'. Her manager heard what was going on and backed me all the way.

This sort of thing makes my blood boil, if it was not for the 'only just' people, a lot of other people would perhaps realise that there is a lot of work goes on that makes their lives more tolerable than if the 'only justs' were not there to do the jobs for them.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"It doesent matter to me what you do for a living.

It don't make you more or less of a person weather you wear a suit, uniform, overalls

Or no clothes at all.

To quote a line from The Big Issue (Chumbawamba) "Just because you're wearing a tie, it doesn't make you bloody important you know"

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By *TUDLY_GOOD_FUCKMan
over a year ago

mansfield

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a skilled worker in the hospitality industry, I have experianced job snobbery on many occassions. When I was younger I used to get embarrassed.But thanks to all the chef related cooking programmes over the years, its no longer scoured in the same way.

Besides, I would not change my career choice if given a second chance. The sexploits I had over the years reads like porn stars memoirs. People. who.work in the hospitality industry think everyone else is having a great time and over compensate! Bunch of freaking randy bar stewards we are!

I'm changing careear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those without a tertiary education need not apply

I've seen that.

On here.

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By *TUDLY_GOOD_FUCKMan
over a year ago

mansfield

"Those without a tertiary education need not apply

I've seen that.

On here."

tertiary? I thought that was Latin for 3rd?

Could that be perhaps what they ment I wonder?

Wanting a 3rd person?

Perhaps looking for a little education?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I couldn't hold a tune if I had a bucket and my life depended on it. I could use a sound desk and rig and control lights but am tone deaf

LOL, well it hasn't stopped half the boy and girl bands of the last 15 years having a career ! LOL

True but I really could not hold a tune if my life depended on it

Normally get referred to as drive how's it going drive can you move your unit drive lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I started life as a fitter - went to uni and took a BSc, followed by an MSc - now a Chartered Engineer - absolutely nothing wrong with trades guy's and I'd argue forcefully with anyone who said otherwise

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By *umplay1969Man
over a year ago

Coggeshall

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over a year ago

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By *umplay1969Man
over a year ago

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I'm just a truck driver. Almost 20 experience, been all over Europe, Eastern European, Russia and on to the Chinese border. But all I do now is deliver to London and the Home Counties.

So that's it, untrained scum.........

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over a year ago

"I'm just a truck driver. Almost 20 experience, been all over Europe, Eastern European, Russia and on to the Chinese border. But all I do now is deliver to London and the Home Counties.

So that's it, untrained scum.........

In europe drivers are treated far better than they are in this country.

Totally different attitude towards us

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over a year ago

I was working in the local town hall when functions were being held there, I was on the front desk during a wake. When asked what I did I said 'I am only working on the front desk' the person replied you are not ever only a something as everyone is as important as the next person working here.

I thought that was a nice remark.

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