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How did lucy letby.get away with it for so long?

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Have you also been following the case? I have abit and she got sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole.

She was given multiple whole life terms one for each offence becoming only the fourth woman in uk history to receive such a sentence, not just that, the trial lasted for more than 10 months and it is believed to be the longest murder trial in the uk.

What is your view about it and are you like me and wondering how she could of gotten away with it for so many years?

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By *inballs99Man
over a year ago

Blackheath

I'm gonna have to look this up now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what little I've heard in the news, I gather the medical professionals didn't have their concerns raised taken seriously, and management probably (assumption here) didn't follow procedures set in place for whistle blowing!

Sadly as was the case with Dr Harold Shipman, serial killers are cunning, and adept at not easily getting caught!

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By *dward_TeagueMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton


"From what little I've heard in the news, I gather the medical professionals didn't have their concerns raised taken seriously, and management probably (assumption here) didn't follow procedures set in place for whistle blowing!

Sadly as was the case with Dr Harold Shipman, serial killers are cunning, and adept at not easily getting caught! "

This! I’m a huge admirer of our NHS but there does seem to be a need for greater accountability at higher levels.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I think that the reason she got away with it for so long, is simply because people find it really hard to believe that ANYONE could actually want to do what she did.

Cal

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Complaints were ignored, several of them, the staff were even made to write an apology letter to her.

Rather than getting the police in straight away they held off and held off and got an outside team in to investigate before any contact with the police was made.

I hope the senior staff are made to stand trial too which the cps is calling for, if the complaints were taken seriously they could have prevented many more attempts & deaths.

Mrs

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By *inballs99Man
over a year ago

Blackheath

Ok let's be realistic here should we the tax payers be feeding this monster for the rest of her life ? I would like to just put her in a box and come back to check her in a year or two

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"From what little I've heard in the news, I gather the medical professionals didn't have their concerns raised taken seriously, and management probably (assumption here) didn't follow procedures set in place for whistle blowing!

Sadly as was the case with Dr Harold Shipman, serial killers are cunning, and adept at not easily getting caught! "
Yes. I also reckon the same that the medical professionals didnt raise their concerns about I as they should of. I also reckon the same happen with dr harold shipman, lets hope that there will be an investigation of how it could of happen with lucy as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's true. I hope she gets the shit kicked out of her so she's in pain for the rest of her life. Break a few bones but no medical care. Rather Iv read she'll be in prison where she can decorate her sell and buy clothes and pet animals. Fuck off. Bring back hanging.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

She got away with it because competent and well respected medical professionals were dismissed when they raised concerns.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I purposely ignored the last Lucy Letby thread because I am aware that it will just descend into ugliness and name calling in the drive to join the righteous.

On this thread at least one person has called her a monster and shown a desire to 'kick her to death'....... the very act that Letby is accused of. How is this right for one human being and not another?

If you can't express some understanding or raise some questions or thoughts about Letby then it's best to be silent.

Wanton calls for brutal murder aren't needed or helpful.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

It’s unimaginable. Yes, been following closely as it’s one of our local hospitals so we know people who had babies there during her employment there. Couple of friends even worked with her

She’s had the strongest sentence that was possible, I just hope the closure gives the parents a modicum of peace

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

We will have an inquiry to "learn the lessons".Lessons not learned after Shipman(or Saville and his pals).What no one has mentioned is that in 2016 I think it was,a male nurse was convicted of killing several patients with insulin injections at Stepping Hill hospital.Poor management,passing the buck and an obsession with keeping things quiet so as not to tarnish the organisation/department.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I can't remember his name but I felt immense pity for that doctor who along with colleagues had raised concerns and was not only ignored but made to write a letter of apology. Seeing him struggle to hold back tears was moving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

colleagues that raised concerns about her weren’t taken seriously. I’m sure one of them was told that their job would be on the line if he continued with the allegations and was made to write a letter of apology to her.

Something went wrong somewhere and those people need to be looked into in my opinion.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,


"colleagues that raised concerns about her weren’t taken seriously. I’m sure one of them was told that their job would be on the line if he continued with the allegations and was made to write a letter of apology to her.

Something went wrong somewhere and those people need to be looked into in my opinion. "

The same pattern as the Stepping Hill poisoner,lessons not learnt.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

^^ middle and senior management are too concerned with image and reputation of the organisation they work for, for many reasons. Middle management only feel accountable upwards and spend their energies concealing bad situations from senior positions. It's the same almost everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

- to think there’s hundreds more like her, in the past, present & future nhs. Freaks like her being protected/whistleblowers punished. Really doesn’t bear thinking about

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Thinking about why warnings went unheard did make me think of the growth of shouts of 'bullying' and how much this contributes to stifling voices and subsequent inaction.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


" - to think there’s hundreds more like her, in the past, present & future nhs. Freaks like her being protected/whistleblowers punished. Really doesn’t bear thinking about "

It's repeated time and again in the civil service, the emergency services, the NHS, schools.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Thinking about why warnings went unheard did make me think of the growth of shouts of 'bullying' and how much this contributes to stifling voices and subsequent inaction. "

Me too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the interview with the doctor, he mentioned something about calling the police in to do a proper investigation but they didn’t want to run the risk of the department being shut down and people finding out about it. It’s heartbreaking to think about how many of those babies could have been saved if it was just done properly.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Also she was very 'caring' seemed to have the best interests of babies and parents at heart and was a nurse. Nurses are routinely described as 'angels', we rush to defend them when they're criticised, they receive a round of applause on game shows and to an extent prevent transparency in the NHS by our own refusal to allow open criticism of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't remember his name but I felt immense pity for that doctor who along with colleagues had raised concerns and was not only ignored but made to write a letter of apology. Seeing him struggle to hold back tears was moving.

"

This the people in charge would rather save face and self preservation. Than act on the whistle-blowers.

To me the cover ups are as bad as the crime as they are complicit and lives could of been saved.

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By *rMonkeyMan
over a year ago

Somewhere

Corporate manslaughter charges would be appropriate for those senior NHS staff who ignored and failed to act on the concerns of others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" - to think there’s hundreds more like her, in the past, present & future nhs. Freaks like her being protected/whistleblowers punished. Really doesn’t bear thinking about

It's repeated time and again in the civil service, the emergency services, the NHS, schools. "
Yes this it’s heart wrenching

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I suppose for the most part it’s because you don’t want to believe that someone could actually be capable of that.

We think evil people tend to give off vibes of evilness, that lady from No. 35, she looks a right evil bitch - you wouldn’t put it past her (for example).

But a sweet looking lass like Lucy. Nooooooo she’s just not capable. You get the picture.

It just goes to show - appearances can be deceiving.

And shit poor Management has a lot to answer for in this case. In fact those who were in Management at the time should be done for manslaughter due to negligence.

Even if it doesn’t carry a jail term, it should stop them from managing another organisation.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Good point. I cringe when someone gets a round of applause simply for being employed.

Criticism of the NHS brings rebukes akin only to those administered by the deeply religious having had their faith questioned.

We have an image of nurses and nursing that disallow clear thinking. I've been to outpatient departments where I've watched them standing chatting, laughing loudly and making private phone calls ( Liverpool Royal and Liverpool Aintree )

I'll always remember a nurse/midwife who came to my bedroom when I had haemorrhaged after giving birth and I watched aghast as she leant over the end of my bed talking to me and biting her nails while we waited for an ambulance.

I respect the NHS but it is not perfect and nor are those employed by it.

For me, people fail to realise that governments are well aware that if they make something 'sacrosanct' in the eyes of the public that they won't be subject to criticism about it. This all plays into why people don't suspect certain professions.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,


"Also she was very 'caring' seemed to have the best interests of babies and parents at heart and was a nurse. Nurses are routinely described as 'angels', we rush to defend them when they're criticised, they receive a round of applause on game shows and to an extent prevent transparency in the NHS by our own refusal to allow open criticism of it.

"

Exactly the same "image" as Shipman(I live nearby his area),to this day there are former patients who don't believe what he did,believing he was scapegoated.Such was his charm and manner that other inmates would go and see him rather than the prison doctor.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

In my opinion and fact evidence from own experience /knowledge a majority of the NHS can't be trusted it's an organisation that work for the government and do a lot of covering up... Just like when they had ex amount of human organ's in storage without any valid explanation which also got covered up further down the line

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just googled this as I didn't know who she was. I wish I hadn't.

I don't read or watch the news for good reason and this is a good example of it.

That's going to play on my mind for days now, possibly weeks.

Regardless of how she got away with it it's just plain horrific. And the effect that will have left on the family's is completely unimaginable. I feel for them so much.

There are some really awful people on this planet.

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By *iberatedduoCouple
over a year ago

Ashbourne

The only way to reduce the chances of this happening again is to ensure no single nurse is ever allowed to be alone with vulnerable patients. Installing cctv in all four corners of a hospital should be a deterrent also so when a nurse is tending to a patient they are are being monitored.

There is cctv at our work place. We are managers and our every move is recorded. We feel safer having it in place should we get targeted by burgers.

Criminals are extremely cunning and intelligent which is one reason why they can get away with what they do for so long. If a colleague reported such atrocities they would need to be confident they are right in what they are saying because imagine the backlash if those claims were unfounded.

Disciplinary action is required at the top level with the potential for management to lose their jobs in light of this. There must be procedures in place so it would be interesting to see how and why they initially dismissed the claims that were made.

The majority of professionals are decent so all it takes is one bad egg to slip through the net.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in time there will be a book written about her and other tv documentaries as there has been for Harold Shipman.

Modern prisons are just like youth hostels with bigger windows and TV’s in the cells. It depends what category of course. Victorian prisons have been decommissioned with some being turned into popular tourist attractions.

There was a program on channel 5 going behind the scenes at a high end security prison.

We wonder if she’ll be imprisoned there.

Whether she is she’ll have 24hr protection to prevent other inmates from attacking her.

There is interest in out there in murderers. It’s as though they are put up on a pedestal by some.

I love reading horror stories. It’s my main genre. I often wonder what people think when they see my bookcase. It’s all fictitious in the name of fun. It’s interesting trying to work out who dunnit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's horrific to say the least and heart felt condolences goes out to all the families who've lost their loved ones, beautiful innocent souls may they r.i.p.

What on earth could possess such a person to commit such hideous crimes it's unimaginable. I shouldn't think this, but sometimes believe the law needs to bring back death penalty and we stop wasting tax payers money on such offenders like these.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Thinking about why warnings went unheard did make me think of the growth of shouts of 'bullying' and how much this contributes to stifling voices and subsequent inaction.

Me too. "

Me three. I know what it's like as a middle manager trying to "blow the whistle".

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"The only way to reduce the chances of this happening again is to ensure no single nurse is ever allowed to be alone with vulnerable patients. Installing cctv in all four corners of a hospital should be a deterrent also so when a nurse is tending to a patient they are are being monitored.

There is cctv at our work place. We are managers and our every move is recorded. We feel safer having it in place should we get targeted by burgers.

Criminals are extremely cunning and intelligent which is one reason why they can get away with what they do for so long. If a colleague reported such atrocities they would need to be confident they are right in what they are saying because imagine the backlash if those claims were unfounded.

Disciplinary action is required at the top level with the potential for management to lose their jobs in light of this. There must be procedures in place so it would be interesting to see how and why they initially dismissed the claims that were made.

The majority of professionals are decent so all it takes is one bad egg to slip through the net.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in time there will be a book written about her and other tv documentaries as there has been for Harold Shipman.

Modern prisons are just like youth hostels with bigger windows and TV’s in the cells. It depends what category of course. Victorian prisons have been decommissioned with some being turned into popular tourist attractions.

There was a program on channel 5 going behind the scenes at a high end security prison.

We wonder if she’ll be imprisoned there.

Whether she is she’ll have 24hr protection to prevent other inmates from attacking her.

There is interest in out there in murderers. It’s as though they are put up on a pedestal by some.

I love reading horror stories. It’s my main genre. I often wonder what people think when they see my bookcase. It’s all fictitious in the name of fun. It’s interesting trying to work out who dunnit.

"

Victorian prisons have not been decommissioned. I can almost see one from where I'm sat - Strangeways. The prison real estate is very varied.

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By *iberatedduoCouple
over a year ago

Ashbourne


"The only way to reduce the chances of this happening again is to ensure no single nurse is ever allowed to be alone with vulnerable patients. Installing cctv in all four corners of a hospital should be a deterrent also so when a nurse is tending to a patient they are are being monitored.

There is cctv at our work place. We are managers and our every move is recorded. We feel safer having it in place should we get targeted by burgers.

Criminals are extremely cunning and intelligent which is one reason why they can get away with what they do for so long. If a colleague reported such atrocities they would need to be confident they are right in what they are saying because imagine the backlash if those claims were unfounded.

Disciplinary action is required at the top level with the potential for management to lose their jobs in light of this. There must be procedures in place so it would be interesting to see how and why they initially dismissed the claims that were made.

The majority of professionals are decent so all it takes is one bad egg to slip through the net.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in time there will be a book written about her and other tv documentaries as there has been for Harold Shipman.

Modern prisons are just like youth hostels with bigger windows and TV’s in the cells. It depends what category of course. Victorian prisons have been decommissioned with some being turned into popular tourist attractions.

There was a program on channel 5 going behind the scenes at a high end security prison.

We wonder if she’ll be imprisoned there.

Whether she is she’ll have 24hr protection to prevent other inmates from attacking her.

There is interest in out there in murderers. It’s as though they are put up on a pedestal by some.

I love reading horror stories. It’s my main genre. I often wonder what people think when they see my bookcase. It’s all fictitious in the name of fun. It’s interesting trying to work out who dunnit.

Victorian prisons have not been decommissioned. I can almost see one from where I'm sat - Strangeways. The prison real estate is very varied. "

We didn’t exactly say all of them have been decommissioned. They probably will do in time because they’re not fit for purpose. It’s too expensive to modernise them so building new prisons and converting old Victorian prisons is what the government have been doing.

We’ve visited one of the prisons which is now open to the public. It’s a popular tourist attraction.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"I think that the reason she got away with it for so long, is simply because people find it really hard to believe that ANYONE could actually want to do what she did.

Cal"
Yes. I also think that the people would find it hard to believe too.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Complaints were ignored, several of them, the staff were even made to write an apology letter to her.

Rather than getting the police in straight away they held off and held off and got an outside team in to investigate before any contact with the police was made.

I hope the senior staff are made to stand trial too which the cps is calling for, if the complaints were taken seriously they could have prevented many more attempts & deaths.

Mrs

"
Yes, they should investigate that and also hold those responsible into account of the wrong doing they did. I also reckon that they could of have prevented many too.

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
over a year ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

From what I've read the senior manager that ignored the concerns and essentially took a protective stance over Letby has been suspended from her role in another hospital while the independent inquiry is taking place.

Police are also now looking into the cases of 4,000 babies at Liverpool Women’s Hospital where Letby was before she was at the Countess of Chester

Tinder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"^^ middle and senior management are too concerned with image and reputation of the organisation they work for, for many reasons. Middle management only feel accountable upwards and spend their energies concealing bad situations from senior positions. It's the same almost everywhere. "

I agree, it's prevalent in corporate organisations from my experience

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"It’s unimaginable. Yes, been following closely as it’s one of our local hospitals so we know people who had babies there during her employment there. Couple of friends even worked with her

She’s had the strongest sentence that was possible, I just hope the closure gives the parents a modicum of peace "
I see, one of your local hospitals, yes, she had the strongest sentence too and I also hope that this is some sort of closure for the parents as well.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

This case is close to home and shocking to the core. I hope to god those who should be held accountable are held accountable for the failure to protect those Children. Letby will make a lovely bitch for someone in prison, that is if she is allowed in genpop, I fear she will be protected though

Meanwhile parents are having to try and price together a life shattered and now more parents are facing the uncertain as they learn about her time in Alder Hey being investigated. What a shit show from start to finish

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