FabSwingers.com forum: People who hate animal cruelty should all be vegan

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Change my mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What’s your logic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plant killers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strongly disagree.

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By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex

What I will say is that Adolf Hitler was a strict vegetarian and it didn't make him anymore compassionate

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What’s your logic?"

Nobody needs to consume animal products to be healthy or thrive.

There is no way to consume animal products without a degree of conscious exploitation or suffering.

Ergo, animal products are predominantly consumed for pleasure, including palate pleasure (i.e. taste)

Therefore, because animal products are neither necessary or mandated, anyone consuming animal products is choosing to be part of an exploitative and unnecessary process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They only love domesticated animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What has cruelty got to do with killing animals for consumption? I’m confused

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Away for Christmas

I'll pass! I couldn't give a fuck about changing your mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe plants and 'every fruit bearing tree' etc once filled our needs. Sadly people's evils (tampering with foods (wheat/grains etc) ruined all that and now it's all a mess and most people have food allergies and intolerances and many can't tolerate natural foods (such as fruits or veg) anymore because of that and actually need to eat animals to survive.

In a perfect world (as it once was) I agree with you but at this point in time...

'Arise Peter, kill and eat'.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s your logic?

Nobody needs to consume animal products to be healthy or thrive.

There is no way to consume animal products without a degree of conscious exploitation or suffering.

Ergo, animal products are predominantly consumed for pleasure, including palate pleasure (i.e. taste)

Therefore, because animal products are neither necessary or mandated, anyone consuming animal products is choosing to be part of an exploitative and unnecessary process."

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've heard this argument a lot but people who eat meat don't condone animal cruelty. They may be a little naive to how meat is made but its not with malicious intent. Its also difficult to compare animals for consumption to animals who live in your home. Right or wrong it's natural we connect more to dogs and cats, rather than chickens or cows because simply we don't usually see them. I'd lean more towards the cosmetic side being valid because that is putting vanity before animal welfare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

Fuck them pigs

- David Cameron probably

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s your logic?

Nobody needs to consume animal products to be healthy or thrive.

There is no way to consume animal products without a degree of conscious exploitation or suffering.

Ergo, animal products are predominantly consumed for pleasure, including palate pleasure (i.e. taste)

Therefore, because animal products are neither necessary or mandated, anyone consuming animal products is choosing to be part of an exploitative and unnecessary process.

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet."

I disagree with that.

The human mouth isn't exactly a 'carnivore' mouth and our insides don't work as a carnivores either.

Also, I lived without meat once for over a year and was just as healthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've heard this argument a lot but people who eat meat don't condone animal cruelty. They may be a little naive to how meat is made but its not with malicious intent. Its also difficult to compare animals for consumption to animals who live in your home. Right or wrong it's natural we connect more to dogs and cats, rather than chickens or cows because simply we don't usually see them. I'd lean more towards the cosmetic side being valid because that is putting vanity before animal welfare.

Natural in the west *

Cows are sacred to some. Pigs are domesticated to others. Etc etc

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By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

I buy my meat at the supermarket where no animals are harmed

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

Fuck them pigs

- David Cameron probably"

I don't want to fuck them, just eat them. There's nothing quite like a hog roast, I'm salivating now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s your logic?

Nobody needs to consume animal products to be healthy or thrive.

There is no way to consume animal products without a degree of conscious exploitation or suffering.

Ergo, animal products are predominantly consumed for pleasure, including palate pleasure (i.e. taste)

Therefore, because animal products are neither necessary or mandated, anyone consuming animal products is choosing to be part of an exploitative and unnecessary process.

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet."

Plenty of vegetarians and vegans are fine tbf. I actually wonder if it’s more likely that you need the stuff from meat if you turn vegan/ veggie. I’m fine anyway since going veggie. But I reckon a plant based diet from birth is also fine. Plenty of cultures are vegan or vegetarian and perfectly healthy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

Fuck them pigs

- David Cameron probably

I don't want to fuck them, just eat them. There's nothing quite like a hog roast, I'm salivating now "

Yeah I know. Fuck em. Init?

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

Fuck them pigs

- David Cameron probably

I don't want to fuck them, just eat them. There's nothing quite like a hog roast, I'm salivating now

Yeah I know. Fuck em. Init?"

Yeah, get that meaty goodness in my belly

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Change my mind.

I have no desire to change anyone’s mind, their choice to be or not be vegan is entirely theirs and theirs alone, as long as they are happy with their choice, that is all that matters.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet."

We're actually not natural carnivores; we're omnivorous frugivores and scavengers, and our ancestors ate very little animal protein.

Every nutrient we need can be gotten from a vegan diet, otherwise I would have died ten years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meat tastes too good. A succulent steak.. Delicious!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

An industry standard for killing pigs in the UK is by gassing with CO2.

Do you honestly support this for the sake of a bacon sandwich?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet.

We're actually not natural carnivores; we're omnivorous frugivores and scavengers, and our ancestors ate very little animal protein.

Every nutrient we need can be gotten from a vegan diet, otherwise I would have died ten years ago.

Lots of Rastafarians would be dead too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jokes aside I really don’t care if people eat meat or not. I don’t care about convincing people to go veggie or vegan like me. But I do think people misunderstand vegetarianism and veganism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jokes aside I really don’t care if people eat meat or not. I don’t care about convincing people to go veggie or vegan like me. But I do think people misunderstand vegetarianism and veganism "

Same as people misunderstand the meat industry. Happy for people to be vegetarian but it's when some vegetarians start forcing their opinions on others and don't understand facts. Not aiming at anyone on here but people I've come across in life.

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By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

We are omnivores but if you look at other omnivore animals they don't eat meat all the time.

I believe there is a correlation between the amount of meat Eastern and high Cancer rate in the Western world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jokes aside I really don’t care if people eat meat or not. I don’t care about convincing people to go veggie or vegan like me. But I do think people misunderstand vegetarianism and veganism

There’s plenty of misinformation about food industries and the food standards that the EU allowed etc. lots of information is from the us for example who have different laws etc around farming and food standards. But honestly I think the misconceptions of non meat diets are terrible. People assume you’re not getting any goodness if you don’t eat meat it’s hilarious.

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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

If you aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s your logic?

Nobody needs to consume animal products to be healthy or thrive.

There is no way to consume animal products without a degree of conscious exploitation or suffering.

Ergo, animal products are predominantly consumed for pleasure, including palate pleasure (i.e. taste)

Therefore, because animal products are neither necessary or mandated, anyone consuming animal products is choosing to be part of an exploitative and unnecessary process."

Could you not keep free range chickens and eat their eggs without it being exploitative?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just eat what you want. Quit being a bitch within reason. If you want to be Jeffery Dahmer. Well expect the consequences. I love all animals and I also love some with a side dish.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet.

We're actually not natural carnivores; we're omnivorous frugivores and scavengers, and our ancestors ate very little animal protein.

Every nutrient we need can be gotten from a vegan diet, otherwise I would have died ten years ago.

Lots of Rastafarians would be dead too"

I've been vegan for ten years: I was vegetarian for nine years before that.

I'm 55 years old, not on any medication; my blood cholesterol, vitamin and mineral levels are just right, my heart, lungs and gut health are fine, and the only health issue I have is damage to my big toe from too much running.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

An industry standard for killing pigs in the UK is by gassing with CO2.

Do you honestly support this for the sake of a bacon sandwich?"

If that's what it takes for that smokey bacon sarnie, they're just too damn tasty

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Change my mind.

This is dumb logic .. just here to provoke.. you're saying it's cruelty to slaughter and eat cows but they are being farmed for meat there's nothing no one can do to stop that industry.. but it doesn't mean if I eat a steak I should torture my dog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eat Pussy Not Animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ever wonder why we have canine teeth?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t mind vegans the same way I don’t mind religious people. Crack on but don’t tell me how to live my life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Change my mind.

What’s the difference between farming dogs for slaughter and farming cows for it? Is it cruel to farm dogs for meat?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Could you not keep free range chickens and eat their eggs without it being exploitative?"

Of course it is better, but using anything without consent is still exploitation in its basic form.

However, the commercial free range egg industry is very misleading.

Backyard hens are again better, but left alone, chickens will eat their own excess eggs to replace lost nutrients -- to them it isn't a waste product.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? "

To open cans of beans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP if it was proven that plants feel pain would you stop eating them?

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By *rancois Du BoisMan
over a year ago

Down the back of the sofa.

"Change my mind.

You’re not wrong buddy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth?

To open cans of beans."

Ouch. Is it the blood that makes the kidney beans that colour then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Technically most organic chickens and cows are fed a totally vegan diet.... So technically they are vegan...

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By *ake_or_deathMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Imagine how constipated and lacking in vitamins and minerals you'd be if you were a carnivore. No vegetables, no fruit, no grains or crops. Ouch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could you not keep free range chickens and eat their eggs without it being exploitative?

Of course it is better, but using anything without consent is still exploitation in its basic form.

However, the commercial free range egg industry is very misleading.

Backyard hens are again better, but left alone, chickens will eat their own excess eggs to replace lost nutrients -- to them it isn't a waste product."

So if the issue is consent, how do carrots and potatoes give consent? Or is it the difference between sentient and non sentient beings?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That vegan diet you mention , you should visit a scale farm to find out how those veges are pollinated and what animal dies in thousands in that pursuit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP if it was proven that plants feel pain would you stop eating them?

Plants do not have central nervous system, and from a evolutionary perspective, feeling pain would not serve any purpose as they could not flee a predator.

Even so, the amount of plants it takes to feed one animal ia disproportionate when compared with human needs.

Considering that animals are forcibly bred for meat, being vegan reduces the demand and uses fewer plant resources anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

That vegan diet you mention , you should visit a scale farm to find out how those veges are pollinated and what animal dies in thousands in that pursuit."
There's a difference between avoidable, conscious harm and unavoidable and incidental harm.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"CSo if the issue is consent, how do carrots and potatoes give consent? Or is it the difference between sentient and non sentient beings?"

You just answered your own question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP if it was proven that plants feel pain would you stop eating them?

Plants do not have central nervous system, and from a evolutionary perspective, feeling pain would not serve any purpose as they could not flee a predator.

Even so, the amount of plants it takes to feed one animal ia disproportionate when compared with human needs.

Considering that animals are forcibly bred for meat, being vegan reduces the demand and uses fewer plant resources anyway."

Fair enough.

... But if a little potato was screaming as you peeled the skin off it's body...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? "
our canine teeth are meant for breaking into fruit - they don't have the strength for tearing raw flesh.

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By *ake_or_deathMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I've been vegan for over a decade and I find that people are genuinely curious about it and will ask you questions unprompted as long as they think you're not going to bite their heads off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? our canine teeth are meant for breaking into fruit - they don't have the strength for tearing raw flesh."

Cannibals?

(I love being awkward on here).

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fuck that, I love eating meat eat too much. OMG I really want a bacon sarnie now

An industry standard for killing pigs in the UK is by gassing with CO2.

Do you honestly support this for the sake of a bacon sandwich?

If that's what it takes for that smokey bacon sarnie, they're just too damn tasty "

In which case you support animal cruelty in some circumstances. At least you are honest about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been vegan for over a decade and I find that people are genuinely curious about it and will ask you questions unprompted as long as they think you're not going to bite their heads off. "

Well they wouldn't be much of a vegan if they went about biting people's heads off now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"CSo if the issue is consent, how do carrots and potatoes give consent? Or is it the difference between sentient and non sentient beings?

You just answered your own question. "

There was a study about trees having a level of sentience…

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Change my mind.

What’s the difference between farming dogs for slaughter and farming cows for it? Is it cruel to farm dogs for meat? "

I know what your saying I don't think cruelty to all animals can be linked to farming but I get you this isn't a debate for me I'm out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a difference between avoidable, conscious harm and unavoidable and incidental harm. "

Unavoidable?

You only eat veges grown in you back garden?

Seen the label of over 70% of veg comes from South America and Europe !!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? our canine teeth are meant for breaking into fruit - they don't have the strength for tearing raw flesh.

Cannibals?

(I love being awkward on here)."

Yes, but cooked -- its not something we could do without any process and not the reason we developed these teeth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We eat what we eat is not by choice but by what we were taught to eat.

What I eat is nobodies business and you eat is not my business.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

There's a difference between avoidable, conscious harm and unavoidable and incidental harm.

Unavoidable?

You only eat veges grown in you back garden?

Seen the label of over 70% of veg comes from South America and Europe !!

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Yes, we consume too much of everything in general, but meat eaters consume vegetables and fruits too.

We should all be more mindful about what we consume and where it comesfrom, but it isn't even close to the 83 billion land animals and 2.7 trillion fish killed every year.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We eat what we eat is not by choice but by what we were taught to eat.

What I eat is nobodies business and you eat is not my business."
What about the victims of what you eat?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? our canine teeth are meant for breaking into fruit - they don't have the strength for tearing raw flesh."

What about sushi? My teeth love that shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We eat what we eat is not by choice but by what we were taught to eat.

What I eat is nobodies business and you eat is not my business.What about the victims of what you eat?"

Can you be a victim if you don’t understand the crime?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"CSo if the issue is consent, how do carrots and potatoes give consent? Or is it the difference between sentient and non sentient beings?

You just answered your own question.

There was a study about trees having a level of sentience…"
I have never eaten a tree

But really, an electrochemical communication process is not the same as an ability to feel pain and suffer in the same way as an animal with a central nervous system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We eat what we eat is not by choice but by what we were taught to eat.

What I eat is nobodies business and you eat is not my business."

I think there’s some sapiophiles in this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? our canine teeth are meant for breaking into fruit - they don't have the strength for tearing raw flesh.

What about sushi? My teeth love that shit."

You bet! Am craving hamachi nigiri now !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever wonder why we have canine teeth? our canine teeth are meant for breaking into fruit - they don't have the strength for tearing raw flesh.

Cannibals?

(I love being awkward on here).

Yes, but cooked -- its not something we could do without any process and not the reason we developed these teeth."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We eat what we eat is not by choice but by what we were taught to eat.

What I eat is nobodies business and you eat is not my business.

I think there’s some sapiophiles in this thread

Where where ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"CSo if the issue is consent, how do carrots and potatoes give consent? Or is it the difference between sentient and non sentient beings?

You just answered your own question.

There was a study about trees having a level of sentience…I have never eaten a tree

But really, an electrochemical communication process is not the same as an ability to feel pain and suffer in the same way as an animal with a central nervous system."

What about if they’re killed humanely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

I don't know what the solution is. I've cut down on meat a lot over the years but I don't think I could go veggie. All you can do is try and advocate for better livestock environments but even then, no matter what we say or do, you can not deny that it is selfish and cruel.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"We eat what we eat is not by choice but by what we were taught to eat.

What I eat is nobodies business and you eat is not my business.What about the victims of what you eat?"

Let me go ask the packet of bacon, I'll consult the diced beef as well because I don't want to seem like I'm favouring one over the other

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

Nearly 8 billion

Yes, considering the amount of land used to feed artificially bred livestock -- but I also accept that it'd be a massive logistical challenge that would probably take an entire generation to implement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

Boring boring serious post from you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What about if they’re killed humanely?"
Is it humane to kill a living being that doesn't want to die and doesn't need to die?

I'd say it isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

Boring boring serious post from you. "

to me and all the animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan"

Why are they not included in the calculation? Will they stop eating?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan"

Shout out to my people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about if they’re killed humanely?Is it humane to kill a living being that doesn't want to die and doesn't need to die?

I'd say it isn't."

How do you know it doesn’t want to die? I doubt it knows what life and death are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

Boring boring serious post from you.

to me and all the animals "

Rip indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

You just reminded me of KFC

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over a year ago

"What about if they’re killed humanely?Is it humane to kill a living being that doesn't want to die and doesn't need to die?

I'd say it isn't.

How do you know it doesn’t want to die? I doubt it knows what life and death are!"

I reckon they’re not as dim as they seem. They do run from predators generally right?

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

You just reminded me of KFC

Boneless banquet

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"Could you not keep free range chickens and eat their eggs without it being exploitative?

Of course it is better, but using anything without consent is still exploitation in its basic form.

However, the commercial free range egg industry is very misleading.

Backyard hens are again better, but left alone, chickens will eat their own excess eggs to replace lost nutrients -- to them it isn't a waste product."

A free range diet of meat and veggies for a chicken is sufficient in nutrition, when caged they often eat eggs out of boredom, rather than seeking nutrition

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over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan

Why are they not included in the calculation? Will they stop eating?"

Cuz we would have to produce extra veg for 6 billion people to have a balanced diet. 2 billion are already accounted for.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"Technically most organic chickens and cows are fed a totally vegan diet.... So technically they are vegan..."

Have you never seen a free range chicken eat a mouse....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe admins could add another field to the profile

Vegan, vegetarian, non vegetarian, will eat anything

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over a year ago

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

You just reminded me of KFC

Boneless banquet

Ah I had KFC last week and it was absolutely delicious! But I do feel a bit shitty if I think about it too much. I know if I had to watch the process and face it head on before I ate meat then I'd more than likely be vegan. But I just kind of bury my head in the sand and turn my back to it. It's selfish but such a hard habit to break.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"but I don't think I could go veggie."

Most people say that at first, I certainly said it myself -- many years ago I was a prolific and defensive meat eater and always had cars with leather seats.

I kinda think that, if I can do it, then anyone can do it - and I have ADHD, so I don't exactly have a life full of discipline.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"You know what, I can recognise that my diet of eating meat is cruel and unnecessary. But I'm 30 years old and still eating meat.

You just reminded me of KFC

Boneless banquet

I only like the boneless stuff from there now, the popcorn chicken and stripes are so damn tasty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hereby promise to give up KFC if you can give me the same taste in vegan format.

By the way is eating pussy or cock breaking vegan rules ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or swallowing semen killing the millions of potential children ??? How cruel !

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"but I don't think I could go veggie.

Most people say that at first, I certainly said it myself -- many years ago I was a prolific and defensive meat eater and always had cars with leather seats.

I kinda think that, if I can do it, then anyone can do it - and I have ADHD, so I don't exactly have a life full of discipline."

I'm sorry you caught the veganism, it's not too late to tuck into a juicy steak

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"I hereby promise to give up KFC if you can give me the same taste in vegan format.

By the way is eating pussy or cock breaking vegan rules ??"

Yes, you'll have to go to confession and tell all

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm sorry you caught the veganism, it's not too late to tuck into a juicy steak "
I've pretty much heard every vegan slur and joke going, and none of them are new.

Sometimes they're funny, but why would I open myself up for this kind of trolling if I didn't think it was a serious issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hereby promise to give up KFC if you can give me the same taste in vegan format.

By the way is eating pussy or cock breaking vegan rules ??"

Does their gravy contain animal products?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan

Why are they not included in the calculation? Will they stop eating?

Cuz we would have to produce extra veg for 6 billion people to have a balanced diet. 2 billion are already accounted for. "

I think you worded your question badly. Maybe you could have said ‘you think there is enough veg to provide a balanced diet for 6 billion people on this planet on top of the 2 billion people who are already vegan and vegetarian?’

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

I'm sorry you caught the veganism, it's not too late to tuck into a juicy steak I've pretty much heard every vegan slur and joke going, and none of them are new.

Sometimes they're funny, but why would I open myself up for this kind of trolling if I didn't think it was a serious issue?

Oh it's really serious, I'm honestly really worried. Who turned you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

1.5 billion are vegetarian, but my answer would be the same. It is possible, the numbers have already been done -- it would present a huge logistical challenge, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility.

People used to argue the same against the abolition of 5lavery; they thought economies and systems would collapse if people tried to do away with 5laves.

People can do great things when faced with a shift in ethical thinking.

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over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan

Why are they not included in the calculation? Will they stop eating?

Cuz we would have to produce extra veg for 6 billion people to have a balanced diet. 2 billion are already accounted for.

who’s side are you on

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over a year ago

People used to argue the same against the abolition of 5lavery; they thought economies and systems would collapse if people tried to do away with 5laves.

People can do great things when faced with a shift in ethical thinking."

I’m not disagreeing with you, despite coming across as contrary

I’m almost a veggie except for the odd greggs sausage roll

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over a year ago

"You think there is enough veg to have balanced diet to go around for 6billion people on this planet ?

8 billion

Not counting the 2 billion people who are vegetarian or vegan

Why are they not included in the calculation? Will they stop eating?

Cuz we would have to produce extra veg for 6 billion people to have a balanced diet. 2 billion are already accounted for.

who’s side are you on

I’m on the side of the good and the righteous

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over a year ago

I love eating meat.

I will simply answer that question with many questions OP.

What do we do with the animals that are bred for the food chain? (After all, a farmer isn't going to keep the stock if there is no value to it. The money they make goes into breeding, feeding and housing said live stock. No income, no business)

How do we compensate the farmers that are purely running a farm to produce meat and dairy?

How do you solve the food chain issues around the meat product market? ie the businesses that produce meat based products for consumption, either ready to eat, microwave meals.

How will you support the countless redundancies, bankruptcies resulting in a meat free economy?

What security measures would you put in place to rehouse tenant farmers that have to give up their homes because they no longer have a business?

How will you support the many pubs and restaurants that are not vegetarian or vegan only venues?

Finally, how will you support the economy when it starts to crash due to businesses closing down?

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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

I don't care to change your mind

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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Maybe admins could add another field to the profile

Vegan, vegetarian, non vegetarian, will eat anything

Does pussy count as vegan ?

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over a year ago

People used to argue the same against the abolition of 5lavery; they thought economies and systems would collapse if people tried to do away with 5laves.

People can do great things when faced with a shift in ethical thinking."

I think you will find not all parts of the world can get veg or grow on thier own and can’t afford to import. There are parts of the world that are turning to eating critters and bugs

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over a year ago

People used to argue the same against the abolition of 5lavery; they thought economies and systems would collapse if people tried to do away with 5laves.

People can do great things when faced with a shift in ethical thinking.

I’m not disagreeing with you, despite coming across as contrary

I’m almost a veggie except for the odd greggs sausage roll

The right thing to do is introduce you to my sausage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe admins could add another field to the profile

Vegan, vegetarian, non vegetarian, will eat anything

Does pussy count as vegan ?"

I would say so, no animals were harmed in the act

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't hate animal cruelty, I hate humans who are cruel to animals.

Bess x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People used to argue the same against the abolition of 5lavery; they thought economies and systems would collapse if people tried to do away with 5laves.

People can do great things when faced with a shift in ethical thinking.

I’m not disagreeing with you, despite coming across as contrary

I’m almost a veggie except for the odd greggs sausage roll

The right thing to do is introduce you to my sausage

Having looked at your pics I already feel well acquainted

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think you will find not all parts of the world can get veg or grow on thier own and can’t afford to import. There are parts of the world that are turning to eating critters and bugs

I'd like to know what countries have absolutely zero agriculture.

But even so, appropriating the problems of another country doesn't excuse our own potential.

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over a year ago

People used to argue the same against the abolition of 5lavery; they thought economies and systems would collapse if people tried to do away with 5laves.

People can do great things when faced with a shift in ethical thinking.

I’m not disagreeing with you, despite coming across as contrary

I’m almost a veggie except for the odd greggs sausage roll

The right thing to do is introduce you to my sausage

Having looked at your pics I already feel well acquainted

Now now , that’s a cock.

I was talking about Hampshires finnest Uptons of Basset sausages

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By *ustyMilfxxxCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

"What’s your logic?

Nobody needs to consume animal products to be healthy or thrive.

There is no way to consume animal products without a degree of conscious exploitation or suffering.

Ergo, animal products are predominantly consumed for pleasure, including palate pleasure (i.e. taste)

Therefore, because animal products are neither necessary or mandated, anyone consuming animal products is choosing to be part of an exploitative and unnecessary process.

You do realise humans are natural carnivores don't you. Meat provides vitamins and nutrients that our bodies need, that you can't get from a vegetarian diet.

I disagree with that.

The human mouth isn't exactly a 'carnivore' mouth and our insides don't work as a carnivores either.

Also, I lived without meat once for over a year and was just as healthy."

I have been a vegetarian for 35 years and I am perfectly healthy.

The statement about us not getting sufficient nutrition from vegetables is incorrect.

There are a number vegetables and grains which are higher in protein than meat.

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over a year ago

I have been a vegetarian for 35 years and I am perfectly healthy.

The statement about us not getting sufficient nutrition from vegetables is incorrect.

There are a number vegetables and grains which are higher in protein than meat.

I don’t believe you. Pictures speak thousand words

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What do we do with the animals that are bred for the food chain? (After all, a farmer isn't going to keep the stock if there is no value to it. The money they make goes into breeding, feeding and housing said live stock. No income, no business)

How do we compensate the farmers that are purely running a farm to produce meat and dairy?

How do you solve the food chain issues around the meat product market? ie the businesses that produce meat based products for consumption, either ready to eat, microwave meals.

How will you support the countless redundancies, bankruptcies resulting in a meat free economy?

What security measures would you put in place to rehouse tenant farmers that have to give up their homes because they no longer have a business?

How will you support the many pubs and restaurants that are not vegetarian or vegan only venues?

Finally, how will you support the economy when it starts to crash due to businesses closing down?

Businesses have been coming, going and adapting for time immemorial-- for example, we have garages now where we used to have blacksmiths.

Humans are resourceful and can change, just like we changed when the 5lave trade was abolished.

It was expensive, took years and almost bankrupted the country, but it was arguably necessary and right.

You cannot morally use a financial or logistical challenge to justify continuing cruelty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Change my mind.

Don’t feel the need to change anyone’s mind as no one will change mine.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Do you like this countries green fields and diverse landscapes? How do you think the land will be managed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's almost hunting season that like. Change my mind.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Do you like this countries green fields and diverse landscapes? How do you think the land will be managed?"

New breed of human cows will graze the lands near and far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you like this countries green fields and diverse landscapes? How do you think the land will be managed?"

Guess all current farm animals would become extinct as no one will feed or look after them anymore

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,