FabSwingers.com forum: Mason greenwood

By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Should man United take him back?

I still feel really uneasy…. Even though he was never charged, I still can’t unsee all those pictures

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely fucking not.

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By *ickdasterdly51Man
over a year ago

Lingfield

Sadly they will. Money talks higher than morals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sadly they will. Money talks higher than morals. "

Nah I think they’ll sell. Lots of money to be made and I think some clubs abroad will care less

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it all depends on a key moral test:

Will he make them money?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sadly they will. Money talks higher than morals.

Nah I think they’ll sell. Lots of money to be made and I think some clubs abroad will care less"

Kinda like Mendy getting a gig back in France

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sadly they will. Money talks higher than morals. "

^ yeah what he said

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

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That’s not how crime works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him .."

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him .."

I guess the issue being just that. It was dropped, could argue it was dropped due to lack of evidence or key witnesses pulling out. Had he gone to court and been proven innocent after a trail. Then that might have a different light on the situation. I am a United fan and undecided myself. I think he will be put out for loan. With the lack of depth in the current squad, who knows what the clubs thought process will be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The audio from this is awful to listen to … I think he will end up staying but purely because he’s a talented footballer if he was less of a player they would of terminated his contract before now.

Morally a shocking situation and will have repercussions for the club from fans far and wide. Unfortunately it’s not the only situation he has got himself into so clearly has form and lack of respect for others. Simply not a nice person !!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

All the songs pointed to that they were testing the ground to see if they could get him back in.

However I think now having seen the feedback it’s not gonna happen. He will be off to Turkey or somewhere similar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont keep up with this type of news typically. What photos are people talking about, I've googled but just get lots of images of him playing football

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The statement update from the Club makes pretty awful reading. They will take him back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should man United take him back?

I still feel really uneasy…. Even though he was never charged, I still can’t unsee all those pictures "

What pictures?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The statement update from the Club makes pretty awful reading. They will take him back. "
really that bad?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should man United take him back?

I still feel really uneasy…. Even though he was never charged, I still can’t unsee all those pictures

What pictures?"

The blood and bruises, allegedly after assaults. All on t’internet if you search

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent. "

Theres no such thing as being 'found innocent'.

He is automatically in the eyes of the law innocent, unless proven otherwise

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

Does it really matter?

Are fans going to revolt and no longer take an interest in their club? Are they going to stand behind their principles and morals? Make the higher ups regret their decision to take back the player over listening to fans?

Or are they just going to have a grumble, make a bit of a fuss then go and support regardless? Suddenly as said player starts doing good things in favour of the team, all is forgotten and all is forgiven.

My money is and always will be firmly on the latter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

Theres no such thing as being 'found innocent'.

He is automatically in the eyes of the law innocent, unless proven otherwise "

Pedant

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By *iredhandMan
over a year ago

Manchester

The school that many Academy players attend is near to me and I have it on good authority that he was a bad lad with the girls during his time there too.

Unfortunately his being good at his chosen sport seems to have got him off the hook but his behaviour shouldn’t be overlooked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should man United take him back?

I still feel really uneasy…. Even though he was never charged, I still can’t unsee all those pictures "

No get our our club

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By *aGaGagging for itCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime.

It's not a case of not having committed a crime, but that he hasn't been convicted of a crime, therefore he's deemed to be innocent.

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By *lofeldMan
over a year ago

Redhill

The kid is quite clearly a wrong un, at this stage of his life at least. The most realistic action United can do is pack him off abroad on loan and assess things next summer. If you're looking for morals, don't look at football.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The statement update from the Club makes pretty awful reading. They will take him back. really that bad?"

It's written as though they will bring him back - setting the stage. Yeah I thought it was pretty shite - talking about him being a young person, a dad blah blah. As if that makes it ok.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

They shouldn't let him play for them again.

But I expect they will.

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

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That’s not how crime works "
I know how crime works …What I can’t understand is even with all the evidence the charges were dropped due to key witnesses dropping their involvement.

I know that’s can’t be the only reason as with overwhelming evidence like this they can and have still gone ahead so their has to be more to it ..

I don’t think United will have him back as their will be protests at games and rightly so but sadly money does talk so someone will definitely take him..

Personally I don’t think he should ever play again but like I said technically he wasn’t charged and money talks..It’s a moral situation and money has no morals..

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By *eddesMan
over a year ago

Bridge of Weir

Agree a settlement and get rid of him as quietly as possible. Let’s face it he’s financially secure for life. As a free agent he will end up in Saudi and be forgotten. Another young player corrupted by a lifestyle and money who though he could do anything.

He wasn’t charged or convicted as the crown didn’t think the evidence was as strong enough. He doesn’t need trial by media that doesn’t help anyone. There was a case here in Scotland where a civil trial awarded damages in much the same circumstances and the player was then branded a rapist but the burden of proof is so much lower in a civil case and again there was no criminal conviction. No club will touch the player in question and those that tried received such a backlash they walked away.

Cut him loose, do it now, and let him disappear… until he does it again for it is likely he will sadly

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

Would I be correct in thinking that the young lady in question is now in a relationship with Mason and is expecting his child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get very confused with things like this. Why does everyone seem to know the details of the court case?

Whats the point of due process if someone is found guilty regardless?

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

This is very tricky, whether you agree with the CPS dropping charges or not, if we start condemning people that have not been convicted or even charged - then we are no better than an Alabama lynch mob.

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

CPS dropped the charges because of withdrawal of witnesses AND new material came to light. No one knows or is focusing on what this new material is or was. United obviously know what this is.

People on social media are happy to convict him based on the pictures and audio released but they are not enough for the CPS to be confident of a conviction.

Those images were also according to the victims father hacked.

He wasn't proven guilty in a court of law so as it stands they are just allegations. And should everyone who has allegations made against them lose their careers?

The new evidence that the CPS said came to light is the key. And I don't think people should be making judgements yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I get very confused with things like this. Why does everyone seem to know the details of the court case?

Whats the point of due process if someone is found guilty regardless?

Details were shared on Twitter I think. Audio, photos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Details were shared on Twitter I think. Audio, photos. "

But how did you get the full details in context from the courtroom? If you're condemning him I'm guessing you know the full details?

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By *oinerbillMan
over a year ago

warrington

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"This is very tricky, whether you agree with the CPS dropping charges or not, if we start condemning people that have not been convicted or even charged - then we are no better than an Alabama lynch mob.

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule."

Absolutely this x10

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By *leasureseekers123Couple
over a year ago

Heathrow

Details were shared on Twitter I think. Audio, photos.

But how did you get the full details in context from the courtroom? If you're condemning him I'm guessing you know the full details?"

You can google and see the video she posted of her after she’d been beaten up. Also there is audio where she says she doesn’t want sex and a man says “I don’t give a fuck what you want etc” it’s pretty grim.

Morally reprehensible and just because he wasn’t prosecuted it doesn’t make it ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess it all depends on a key moral test:

Will he make them money? "
This

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By *leasureseekers123Couple
over a year ago

Heathrow

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule."

It is slightly different in that he’s not going to be lynched. He’s a millionaire who will remain a millionaire. The question being asked is whether morally he should be out there playing for a British club and being looked up to by millions of people.

But given that money and football have no morals it’s a moot point really

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Details were shared on Twitter I think. Audio, photos.

But how did you get the full details in context from the courtroom? If you're condemning him I'm guessing you know the full details?"

This is all context, leaking a small portion of evidence that shows something bad is trying a case in the court of public opinion. If someone takes a video of me pushing over an old lady on the stret, I'm a monster. 2 seconds later a car crashes into the pavement where she was stood. I saw the car and pushed her to save her life, but the video shows me being a thug.

Simple fact is, none of us know the full facts and we all have bias.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"The audio from this is awful to listen to … I think he will end up staying but purely because he’s a talented footballer if he was less of a player they would of terminated his contract before now.

Similar to F.A. letting Gascoigne keep playing for England after abusing his wife, Lineker doesn't say too much about that.

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule.

But given that money and football have no morals it’s a moot point really "

Not an actual lynching, but how is this any different than Cliff Richard when the BBC trashed his reputation to report gossip.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I get very confused with things like this. Why does everyone seem to know the details of the court case?

Whats the point of due process if someone is found guilty regardless?

Details were shared on Twitter I think. Audio, photos. "

Anything on twitter or any where else is not evidence.

For it to be evidence it must be presented to the court for testing by the barristers.

The legal system in the uk is not conducted on social media, thank heavens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Morally reprehensible and just because he wasn’t prosecuted it doesn’t make it ok"

So you see her being beaten up by him? I've heard the audio tape and it certainly doesn't sound good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule.

But given that money and football have no morals it’s a moot point really "

All of this ^

It's not "mob rule". I don't want young boys seeing this guy as a legend in the club.

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Similar to F.A. letting Gascoigne keep playing for England after abusing his wife, Lineker doesn't say too much about that."

Or Carragher spitting in the face of a child

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By *leasureseekers123Couple
over a year ago

Heathrow

"I get very confused with things like this. Why does everyone seem to know the details of the court case?

Whats the point of due process if someone is found guilty regardless?

I think some people are confusing the technicality of the legal definitions of guilty with the real world.

If you are filmed stealing from a shop for example, but then not prosecuted for it, it doesn’t mean that you didn’t steal from the shop! If you were the shopkeeper would you let the person back in just because they weren’t prosecuted. Technically they haven’t been found guilty of a crime. Doesn’t mean they’re innocent of the crime other than in a legal definition sense.

People go on about the court of social media yet here we all are giving our opinions on it. That’s life! Hopefully we all have a moral compass that points in the right direction

Details were shared on Twitter I think. Audio, photos.

Anything on twitter or any where else is not evidence.

For it to be evidence it must be presented to the court for testing by the barristers.

The legal system in the uk is not conducted on social media, thank heavens."

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By *leasureseekers123Couple
over a year ago

Heathrow

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule.

But given that money and football have no morals it’s a moot point really

Not an actual lynching, but how is this any different than Cliff Richard when the BBC trashed his reputation to report gossip. "

Because there was literally no evidence against Cliff Richard!

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

Anything on twitter or any where else is not evidence.

For it to be evidence it must be presented to the court for testing by the barristers.

The legal system in the uk is not conducted on social media, thank heavens.

It worries me how quickly people trust what they see or here without question and judge instantly. Luckily as you say that is not how courts work.

People don't seem to understand the law works in precedents and it must maintain the highest standard of requirements otherwise the whole thing falls apart.

How many people on this website have left bruises, marks, and have said far far worse in CNC scenarios. It takes one person to abuse that trust and say it wasn't consensual to destroy someone's life.

I'm not saying that's whats happened here as I dont i know (and neither do any of you) but we have a legal process for a reason"

And how many times has the law failed and convicted wrongfully accused people or just simply failed to convict despite actual evidance. I can tell you it's a hell of a lot more than people hear about. Neither side is in fallible. Sometimes (not always) court of public opinion is the only way to get some sort of justice/reteibution/vengeance.

Im talking in general here, not this particular case.

I'm not one for straight up fanning the flames of cancel culture but I am for people choosing their own stance on an individual regardless of actual conviction.

In this very particular case, football is far greater than all else. As I said above, majority of people will have a grumble about what he did but inevitably they will continue to support the club and the decision of the club by extension. They don't actually care enough about what he did, not enough to walk away and wash their hands of those that back him. Making it all pointless in the end. This to me makes it all a bit pointless.

One thing I do wonder is how many condemning him but supported Johnny Depp? (for the record, I did and still do support Depp). I know not everyone did and that's fine, but it does stop things even this from being pure black and white /good vs evil.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, they've thrown it out of court because no evidence to prosecute him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, the FAB Jury.. Hear nothing, see nothing but without seeing or hearing the evidence of both sides the person is hung, drawn and quartered.

Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

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By *leasureseekers123Couple
over a year ago

Heathrow

"Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, they've thrown it out of court because no evidence to prosecute him

They haven’t thrown it out of court. It never went to court. And not because of no evidence!

Here’s the cps statement

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction“

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything on twitter or any where else is not evidence.

For it to be evidence it must be presented to the court for testing by the barristers.

The legal system in the uk is not conducted on social media, thank heavens.

It worries me how quickly people trust what they see or here without question and judge instantly. Luckily as you say that is not how courts work.

People don't seem to understand the law works in precedents and it must maintain the highest standard of requirements otherwise the whole thing falls apart.

How many people on this website have left bruises, marks, and have said far far worse in CNC scenarios. It takes one person to abuse that trust and say it wasn't consensual to destroy someone's life.

I'm not saying that's whats happened here as I dont i know (and neither do any of you) but we have a legal process for a reason

Im talking in general here, not this particular case.

I'm not one for straight up fanning the flames of cancel culture but I am for people choosing their own stance on an individual regardless of actual conviction.

I'm not a Depp supporter but agree with you here.

I've never understood why having an opinion on a case is against the rules here. I'm not standing outside Greenwood's house with a placard. I'm not trying to get him sacked.

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision?

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

If Harriet Robson who is the young lady that made the allegations and is the young lady in the pictures and audio voice we can hear has allowed Mason Greenwood back in her life is in a relationship with him is expecting his child.I find it strange she hasn’t made a announcement forgiving Mason or to say it was a misunderstanding.Then again maybe my first thoughts on her is that she is a gold digger only with Mason for a monthly allowance and payments up until the child is 18 is that not a possibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prosecution or not too much was put into the public domain and a lot of it damming to him. If the text conversation that was shown is true then he should not be allowed to continue in the sport, and I can’t see how anyone can justify otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Harriet Robson who is the young lady that made the allegations and is the young lady in the pictures and audio voice we can hear has allowed Mason Greenwood back in her life is in a relationship with him is expecting his child.I find it strange she hasn’t made a announcement forgiving Mason or to say it was a misunderstanding.Then again maybe my first thoughts on her is that she is a gold digger only with Mason for a monthly allowance and payments up until the child is 18 is that not a possibility."

Oh, lovely. That's just a fabulous take. (For reference he'd have to pay for the child regardless of whether she's with him. )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision? "

I think its the level of confidence people have in their opinion that worries me. As if they have some god tier level of understanding and as such their opinion holds value.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision?

I think its the level of confidence people have in their opinion that worries me. As if they have some god tier level of understanding and as such their opinion holds value."

My opinion has the same value as yours. And we are both free to ignore each other's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision?

I think its the level of confidence people have in their opinion that worries me. As if they have some god tier level of understanding and as such their opinion holds value.

My opinion has the same value as yours. And we are both free to ignore each other's. "

I havent given an opinion as i dont know the facts. Also opinions holding the same value is rarely true.

There are many things you will have an opinion on that hold far more value than mine as you are more experienced in that avenue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision?

I think its the level of confidence people have in their opinion that worries me. As if they have some god tier level of understanding and as such their opinion holds value.

My opinion has the same value as yours. And we are both free to ignore each other's.

I havent given an opinion as i dont know the facts. Also opinions holding the same value is rarely true.

There are many things you will have an opinion on that hold far more value than mine as you are more experienced in that avenue.

On a platform like this, with no evidence of "experience" we only have people's say-so. Or whether they sound like they know what they're talking about.

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By *leasureseekers123Couple
over a year ago

Heathrow

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision?

I think its the level of confidence people have in their opinion that worries me. As if they have some god tier level of understanding and as such their opinion holds value."

Everyone’s opinion holds value. That’s why forums like this exist. Anything is only someone else’s opinion! And everyone is entitled to it

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

If you are asking then the answer is no.

Never charged does not make him innocent. I think it was a case of ££££.

Shame on that girls father letting her daughter get a beating just fir the sake of getting nice seats at OT and some perks.

We all seen those pictures and seen the vid...horrific.

But then again if he does play for Utd it just sums up that Club.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule."

What is it about this kind of situation that brings out these ridiculous comparisons?

People saying "that guy is a bad 'un" is not a lynching. Criticism is not a criminal sentence. Don't you believe in free speech?

"Tomorrow it could be you" - well, if there's an audio record of you threatening to r**e someone, it could be you.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

Oh, lovely. That's just a fabulous take. (For reference he'd have to pay for the child regardless of whether she's with him. )"
. Yes he would have to pay only for the child but with Harriet staying with him she gets to have a nice home , car , possibly monthly allowance if she doesn’t stay with him she has to find her own home , car , job after all Mason wouldn’t be expected to provide those for her as well would he.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Oh, lovely. That's just a fabulous take. (For reference he'd have to pay for the child regardless of whether she's with him. ). Yes he would have to pay only for the child but with Harriet staying with him she gets to have a nice home , car , possibly monthly allowance if she doesn’t stay with him she has to find her own home , car , job after all Mason wouldn’t be expected to provide those for her as well would he."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you. Feeling quite angry at his take.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They shouldn't but they will, in football things are different, slightly different but Kurt Zouma cat kick has largely been forgotten and he plays regular for west ham so I would imagine it will only be difficult for greenwood for a few months and a year down the line all forgotten.

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By *heelerMan
over a year ago

Northants

If hes got any sense he should go abroad saudi be a good choice if they'd have him.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons."
. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger "

I had typed a reply to an earlier post saying you should stop digging the hole you seemed intent on digging, but you're too deep to hear me now...

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

I had typed a reply to an earlier post saying you should stop digging the hole you seemed intent on digging, but you're too deep to hear me now..."
. I don’t see a hole only a different opinion to others but that’s ok if people don’t agree with my thoughts or opinions

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Had he only been accused, charged, then charges dropped I think he would have got away with it.

However those recordings are out there and will never go away. That is why I think Man Utd should get rid of him. It won't be easy most European clubs will avoid him but Saudi or Turkey are possible options.

I'll miss him as a player because he was/is VERY good. But there is a bigger issue here.

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

"The court of social opinion" so we are not allowed to have opinions unless they're backed up by a judicial decision? "

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but not their own facts, if people don't have access to all the facts their opinions don't matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

I had typed a reply to an earlier post saying you should stop digging the hole you seemed intent on digging, but you're too deep to hear me now.... I don’t see a hole only a different opinion to others but that’s ok if people don’t agree with my thoughts or opinions "

And it's ok that everyone on this thread can witness you continuing to dig.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Today it's Mason Greenwood, but tomorrow it could be you.

We cannot allow mob rule.

But given that money and football have no morals it’s a moot point really "

Comparing it to an Alabama lynch mob is peak fab

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is. "

People don’t have to like him, and listening to that tape is unpleasant, but as you say, he is an innocent man with no conviction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's going to come back, but what pisses me off is that the club don't have the balls to just come out and say it and are pussyfooting around trying to look for a way to do it so it gets the least about of blowback. It'll sicken me to see him play again after seeing the images and hearing the audio and hope he gets booed by every fan

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent. "
It pains me to write this as I find him a fucking horrible human but he doesn't have to be found innocent. He's afforded the right like anyone else that he's innocent until proven guilty, the case never proceeded so in the eyes of the law he's innocent until proved different. Still a piece of shit however.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is. "

But I think an employer - particularly a high profile one - is perfectly entitled to make a decision on who it employs, with or without a conviction, depending on where its interests lie. If I were on the Man Utd board, I would be arguing our reputation is damaged by bringing him back.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

People don’t have to like him, and listening to that tape is unpleasant, but as you say, he is an innocent man with no conviction."

Well no, he is neither innocent or guilty that's the thing. But yes he has no conviction behind either.

A lack of a conviction is not proof of innocence.

Just as a conviction is not proof of guilt.

The whole innocent until proven guilty thing is bullshit because it's a bastardised quote anyway

"presumed innocent until proven guilty" anyone accused of a crime has the right to be presumed innocent until can be proven guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger "

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

Jonny Depp has laid the foundations & paved the way for ‘innocent’ men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should man United take him back?

I still feel really uneasy…. Even though he was never charged, I still can’t unsee all those pictures "

Why never charged?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

That's what I thought too. Wouldn't there be something in contracts about bringing the place into disrepute that would be enough to terminate his contract? I'm pretty sure we did something similar with Ronaldo after his Piers Morgan interview.

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester

I really hope the people who have listened to the audio and still go on about him not being convicted never have to experience what Greenwood's girlfriend went through, and then have the case kicked.

Frank

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get the emotions here.

But we are judging based on evidence leaked to social media (which I'm uncomfortable with). But it appears part of the reason the charges were dropped is because of new evidence we have not heard.

That asymmetry makes it hard for me to make my own judgement on anyone in the case.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

I'd have thought so. If nothing else, you'd assume they could terminate his contract, and release him - as expensive as that might be. I guess that's what they're weighing up, but their hand-wringing is not a good look, imho.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

The problem they have is similar to Disney and WB with Johnny Depp an Ezra Miller.

They were too quick with throwing JD under the bus with claims of what he did (regardless of where you sit on that) then you have them doing fuck all when it comes to the stuff Ezra Miller pulled, guy still had his movie released and kept on contract with zero blowback from the studios.

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By *inkedKuntsCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I get the emotions here.

But we are judging based on evidence leaked to social media (which I'm uncomfortable with). But it appears part of the reason the charges were dropped is because of new evidence we have not heard.

That asymmetry makes it hard for me to make my own judgement on anyone in the case.

Keep hearing this 'new evidence' yet not one single shred of it has appeared. If he wants to clear his name then surely they would have released it without hesitation, sounds like a bunch of Andrew Tate mother fuckers making it up to me.

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"I really hope the people who have listened to the audio and still go on about him not being convicted never have to experience what Greenwood's girlfriend went through, and then have the case kicked.

Frank"

Yeah, so apparently she's recently had a kid with him and very few would want the father of their child in prison, hence the dropped charges

Oh well, made beds and all that...

Frank

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan
over a year ago

Gourock

Whether he has been charged or not, the audio is horrendous to listen to.

The girl will have her own reasons for continuing in a relationship with him and i wish her well.

However if it was my daughter, my heart would be in my mouth every time the phone rang.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

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. Yes I agree that ladies can be coerced into returning to a abusive relationship.But the way I understand the facts Harriet had a very strong case had she gone to court.If she goes to court and wins then what the relationship ends and so does Mason’s money.If she was coerced into having a relationship with Mason who coerced her was it Mason or was it her father as I believe he has received money as well.My understanding is Harriet is some sort of influencer on social media so I personally find it hard to believe she was coerced which to me means she either genuinely loves Mason or is a gold digger.I can’t recall her making any statement in support of Mason so to me she and her father come across as gold diggers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I get the emotions here.

But we are judging based on evidence leaked to social media (which I'm uncomfortable with). But it appears part of the reason the charges were dropped is because of new evidence we have not heard.

That asymmetry makes it hard for me to make my own judgement on anyone in the case.

It's part of their statement.

As a principle, it makes me u comfortable one needs to publish their evidence of innocence. Ppl are asking it here because other evidence was posted.

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By *inty1717Man
over a year ago

near you

Yes what he did was disgusting. He will pay for the rest of his life with abuse I’m sure from other clubs fans.

Reduce his wage down and let him play. At the end of the day he’s with that very same girl now and has a baby with her. I’m not condoning what he did. But I’m sure there’s hundreds of thousands of people who abuse and still get to work in there industry and etc.

Let him play.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

People don’t have to like him, and listening to that tape is unpleasant, but as you say, he is an innocent man with no conviction.

Well no, he is neither innocent or guilty that's the thing. But yes he has no conviction behind either.

A lack of a conviction is not proof of innocence.

Just as a conviction is not proof of guilt.

The whole innocent until proven guilty thing is bullshit because it's a bastardised quote anyway

"presumed innocent until proven guilty" anyone accused of a crime has the right to be presumed innocent until can be proven guilty. "

It’s not bullshit at all. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty in court. Innocent does not mean that he didn’t do it. It means he has not been convicted.

That is the basis of uk law except in certain circumstances where internments or terrorists are under suspicion.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

. Yes I agree that ladies can be coerced into returning to a abusive relationship.But the way I understand the facts Harriet had a very strong case had she gone to court.If she goes to court and wins then what the relationship ends and so does Mason’s money.If she was coerced into having a relationship with Mason who coerced her was it Mason or was it her father as I believe he has received money as well.My understanding is Harriet is some sort of influencer on social media so I personally find it hard to believe she was coerced which to me means she either genuinely loves Mason or is a gold digger.I can’t recall her making any statement in support of Mason so to me she and her father come across as gold diggers."

Horses for courses, but it's odd to me that your focus is on her in this thread.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I get the emotions here.

But we are judging based on evidence leaked to social media (which I'm uncomfortable with). But it appears part of the reason the charges were dropped is because of new evidence we have not heard.

That asymmetry makes it hard for me to make my own judgement on anyone in the case.

It's part of their statement.

As a principle, it makes me u comfortable one needs to publish their evidence of innocence. Ppl are asking it here because other evidence was posted. "

Guilt needs to be proved, not innocence.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Yes what he did was disgusting. He will pay for the rest of his life with abuse I’m sure from other clubs fans.

Let him play."

Those other hudreds of thousands of people are not in the public eye, they are not noticed and very unlikely to be known of to the masses. Impact upon the reputation of the employer is much less at risk.

I can imagine a tradesman with questionable reputation to his character as a sexual abuser would struggle to find work if things were known about him by the community.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Frank"

I hope so too.

People quoting facts about the law is not defending him.

The law is an ass! But it’s still the law.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

People don’t have to like him, and listening to that tape is unpleasant, but as you say, he is an innocent man with no conviction.

Well no, he is neither innocent or guilty that's the thing. But yes he has no conviction behind either.

A lack of a conviction is not proof of innocence.

Just as a conviction is not proof of guilt.

The whole innocent until proven guilty thing is bullshit because it's a bastardised quote anyway

"presumed innocent until proven guilty" anyone accused of a crime has the right to be presumed innocent until can be proven guilty.

It’s not bullshit at all. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty in court. Innocent does not mean that he didn’t do it. It means he has not been convicted.

That is the basis of uk law except in certain circumstances where internments or terrorists are under suspicion."

No innocent is innocent, lack of conviction is lack of conviction.

Innocent means they did not do it, he still very well could have done it despite not being convicted of it.

This is exactly why the law states "presumed innocent" and not the bastardised sole "innocent" that gets banded around.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

Horses for courses, but it's odd to me that your focus is on her in this thread."
. My focus is on Harriet because in all the previous posts no one seemed to mention that she had got back with Mason and is expecting his child.How many of the post holders knew this before making their comments and if they knew why so hard on Mason and nothing about Harriet and her actions. I am just trying to say their are two people in this story and I have a different train of thought with what I have seen and read.With regards to Mason I am a Man Utd fan and before all this he was going to be the next big thing.Personally I would send him out on loan to a Championship club and see how he copes with all the attention and how he plays then make a decision at the end of the season where it will be clearer what fans think & how he reacts on the pitch and off the pitch.

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By *eckard2019Man
over a year ago

North West Durham

It stinks, the evidence is there for all to see and hear.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, they've thrown it out of court because no evidence to prosecute him

They haven’t thrown it out of court. It never went to court. And not because of no evidence!

Here’s the cps statement

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction“"
why did the key witnesses pull out?

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By *handlerMonicaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

Horses for courses, but it's odd to me that your focus is on her in this thread.. My focus is on Harriet because in all the previous posts no one seemed to mention that she had got back with Mason and is expecting his child.How many of the post holders knew this before making their comments and if they knew why so hard on Mason and nothing about Harriet and her actions. I am just trying to say their are two people in this story and I have a different train of thought with what I have seen and read.With regards to Mason I am a Man Utd fan and before all this he was going to be the next big thing.Personally I would send him out on loan to a Championship club and see how he copes with all the attention and how he plays then make a decision at the end of the season where it will be clearer what fans think & how he reacts on the pitch and off the pitch."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, they've thrown it out of court because no evidence to prosecute him

They haven’t thrown it out of court. It never went to court. And not because of no evidence!

Here’s the cps statement

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction“why did the key witnesses pull out? "

The social media "rumour" is because he broke his bail conditions, got her pregnant and she & her family opted not to testify.

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By *inkedKuntsCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

From those of us who like real football (championship level) we don't want him. In fact he would be hounded even more as its more the real fans rather than the tourist fans the big PL teams get. If he was to be sent out on loan it needs to be out of the country. If he walked on to our pitch at Hillsborough I know myself and those who I go with will not let him forget he is a massive n0nce, even if he was playing for us.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, they've thrown it out of court because no evidence to prosecute him

They haven’t thrown it out of court. It never went to court. And not because of no evidence!

Here’s the cps statement

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction“why did the key witnesses pull out?

The social media "rumour" is because he broke his bail conditions, got her pregnant and she & her family opted not to testify. "

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet- Abraham Lincoln 1997

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, they've thrown it out of court because no evidence to prosecute him

They haven’t thrown it out of court. It never went to court. And not because of no evidence!

Here’s the cps statement

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction“why did the key witnesses pull out?

The social media "rumour" is because he broke his bail conditions, got her pregnant and she & her family opted not to testify.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet- Abraham Lincoln 1997 "

Simply passing on what I read...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I'd suggest it makes you sound quite crappy to be speculating that someone is a gold digger when they have clearly experience violence and coercion in their relationship. People stay in bad relationships for many reasons.. How would you speculate on someone who had a strong case according to the CPS who then drops the case then drops her knickers and gets pregnant by the guy she wants to take to court.Victim or Gold Digger

Because no one in an abusive relationship has ever felt coerced to go back to their abuser. Genuinely horrible take

No championship club will take him, there would be too much backlash from the fans. Either keep him and deal with the fallout yourselves, or sell him on. He's your player, and it's your shitshow, so you need to own it, not pass the buck by loaning him out."
. Yes it’s our shitshow and it seems we really don’t know how to deal with it hence why it is taking so long.You say that no Championship club would take him but I am sure there are owners that may feel he could be the difference between getting to the Premier League and all the money it brings with it. I am not saying it right but money talks

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget "
So she accused him of coercing her to have sex it was going to court, the procecutors didn't think they could get a conviction with the evidence they had in the mean time he broke his bail conditions and shagged her got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Judge him on his footballing abilities, not a crime or crimes that he has not been charged on.

If thr CPS didn't prosecute then there's a lack of evidence. Don't let social media vilification be anything other than what it is.

People don’t have to like him, and listening to that tape is unpleasant, but as you say, he is an innocent man with no conviction.

Exactly, as unpleasant as It maybe, under what we live by, thr law he has done no wrong "

Innocent isn't the word I'd use. The charges were dropped but let's not pretend that suddenly makes him innocent

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

Yep but no doubt he will be forced out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep but no doubt he will be forced out "

We can only hope

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent. "
but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent."

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget So she accused him of coercing her to have sex it was going to court, the procecutors didn't think they could get a conviction with the evidence they had in the mean time he broke his bail conditions and shagged her got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him?

He was originally charged with r@pe, assault and controlling/coercive behaviour. Those charges dropped. The rest is supposition. I know what I think.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent"

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

He was originally charged with r@pe, assault and controlling/coercive behaviour. Those charges dropped. The rest is supposition. I know what I think. "
well yes now shes pregnant i know what i think

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By *handlerMonicaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law"

They are presumed innocent, that's very different to saying they are innocent

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By *amsevenMan
over a year ago

cork

Saudi Arabia sounds like a good spot for this fella

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget "
and they can charge him with anything doesn't mean anything until he's found guilty of said charge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law"

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent"
no you carnt call him guilty because he wasn't charged and convicted but definitely innocent as no conviction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

They are presumed innocent, that's very different to saying they are innocent"
agreed. But many aren't pressuming innocence.

Or expecting Utd to presume innocence.

(I have no skin in this particular game. It's the principle I'm looking at)

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?"
yes your innocent because in the eyes of the law you wasn't caught charged and convicted.

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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago

London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact

"The kid is quite clearly a wrong un, at this stage of his life at least. The most realistic action United can do is pack him off abroad on loan and assess things next summer. If you're looking for morals, don't look at football."

Exactly. The took back Ronaldo and the whole world forgot about that matter. When you have accepted despot owners who have committed bigger crimes at the top of the food chain, cases of individual wrongdoing are a mere blot in this sea of corrupt immorality.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget and they can charge him with anything doesn't mean anything until he's found guilty of said charge "

The law's partly irrelevant. A conviction would have made it black and white but, for his employer, who happen to be one of the world's biggest football clubs, it's very much a moral and PR judgement. They need to decide if he's the kind of man they want to employ and what is better for the team and wider organisation. I know what I'd do.

I hate to be reductive but, if I'd heard a colleague of mine on recordings like that, I'd find it very hard to work with him, even if he had not been convicted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?

yes your innocent because in the eyes of the law you wasn't caught charged and convicted."

Cool, nice to know my morals can be "Do whatever I want, just don't get caught". Brilliant, thank you

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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago

London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocentno you carnt call him guilty because he wasn't charged and convicted but definitely innocent as no conviction."

If he is definitely innocent, why isn't he playing for MUFC now?

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget and they can charge him with anything doesn't mean anything until he's found guilty of said charge "
exactly so his career is in tatters and shes pregnant!

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By *handlerMonicaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?yes your innocent because in the eyes of the law you wasn't caught charged and convicted."

Innocent in the eyes of the law, but yet you definitely did steal the bread. Somewhat of a conundrum really!

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?"
so do you speed say do 31 in a 30 zone do you then send your license of to get points or tell the court to fine you no so innocent until caught and convicted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?"
im playing devils advocate here...

You take the laof without paying. There's cctv footage on facebook and the police identify you and pull you in.

You show that minutes after you relaised your mistake and went back and paid. You find your bank statement to show this.

Are you still guilty of theft and should you lose your job because of it?

Obviously the MG case is more nuanced and more going on. It's a more emotional subject. But its hard to differentiate between "was guilty but lacked evidence" and "was innocent but from one angle it looks fucked up".

We are picking sides without having the full facts.

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By *inkedKuntsCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?so do you speed say do 31 in a 30 zone do you then send your license of to get points or tell the court to fine you no so innocent until caught and convicted."

Interesting, so Saville was innocent until he was finally caught then in your eyes.

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By *ooking4othersMan
over a year ago

Here ...

Guilty or not in the eyes of the law are irrelevant here as the case was dropped.

However, under employment law, the employer only has to believe something untoward happened and can terminate his employment. Only they know why they haven't done so.

If someone else hires him then that is there lookout.

I don't know any of the details around the case ... so I'll save my opinion until I know the facts.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

If United try and terminate his contract then I think Camille Vasquez would win this case pretty easily.

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

Interesting, so Saville was innocent until he was finally caught then in your eyes. "

No charges were ever brought against Saville, so, according to _addad99's logic, old Jimmy should never be slandered or libelled as he's innocent.

Frank

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

If he is definitely innocent, why isn't he playing for MUFC now? "
because of all the commercial pressure it might bring had he been a normal person doing a normal job he'd probably be back working now but as others have said it will come down to what money they loose or gain.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

So if I steal a loaf of bread but don't get caught, I'm innocent of stealing anything? Or did I still do something wrong?

yes your innocent because in the eyes of the law you wasn't caught charged and convicted.

Cool, nice to know my morals can be "Do whatever I want, just don't get caught". Brilliant, thank you

"
pleasure

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

He should be moved on for his own sake and the club's.

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By *handlerMonicaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

I would imagine there is something in his contract about not bringing the club into disrepute, or something similar. The club may be able to use that to move him on, should they wish to

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

Interesting, so Saville was innocent until he was finally caught then in your eyes. "
in law yes do I think he was no was he a horrible person definitely but for some reason was never charged or found guilty I am not the law.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

Interesting, so Saville was innocent until he was finally caught then in your eyes.

No charges were ever brought against Saville, so, according to _addad99's logic, old Jimmy should never be slandered or libelled as he's innocent.

Frank"
it got nothing to do with what I think it's what the law says but good try.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thing is - if he left United - someone else, somewhere else will sign him up…

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Imagine what the reaction will be from fans not just United's if he is reintegrated into the first team.

I think the abuse will be too much for both him and the club.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

They are presumed innocent, that's very different to saying they are innocent"
lol

They are innocent. They are either convicted and found guilty or innocent.

That doesn’t mean that he didn’t do it. It just means that he has not been tried and convicted of it.

People seem to struggle with this most basic of concept.

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By *handlerMonicaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

"Well regardless of what the court of social media think he wasn’t charged so technically he hasn’t committed a crime

..With most of these cases including Ryan Giggs we never see or get the full picture and people have a tendency to fill in the gaps to make their own stories..

If He don’t end up playing again for United then someone else will come along and take him ..

The evidence is available to anyone who wants to see it. Charges were dropped, he wasn't found innocent.

but not proven guilty either no matter what people think the law is the law morals don't come into no charge so innocent.

Then call it that, but we can't call him guilty then others sure as shit can't call him innocent

Yes they can.

Everyone is automatically innocent of a crime unless proven otherwise in a court of law

They are presumed innocent, that's very different to saying they are innocent lol

They are innocent. They are either convicted and found guilty or innocent.

That doesn’t mean that he didn’t do it. It just means that he has not been tried and convicted of it.

People seem to struggle with this most basic of concept."

I think we're making the same point - presumed innocent in the eyes of the law is not the same as saying he didn't do it.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The original charge against him included coercive behaviour, don't forget and they can charge him with anything doesn't mean anything until he's found guilty of said charge exactly so his career is in tatters and shes pregnant! "

The baby has been born.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The baby has been born. "

The plot thickens. Twitter (or X) over to you.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

A waste of a Man Utd career through stupidity and reckless behaviour.Best now he rebuilds his career abroad for example Turkey.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

So after gathering all the information and no doubt speaking to various people like sponsors Man Utd & Mason Greenwood have a mutual agreement to terminate his contract.With the way things were going outside the ground and social media it was almost impossible to have kept him on.Where he will end up is anyone guess as I would be surprised if anyone in England would take him on.Not sure if big footballing countries like Italy , Spain would take him Saudi Arabia is my guess as to where he may end up.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Turkey id say

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By *mf123Man
over a year ago

with one foot out the door

He should be playing again im so tired of the court of public opinion a social media dictating peoples lives the charges were dropped in the uk you are innocent until found guilty in court not in the press the press and public should be barred from reliecing this kind of thing into the public until found guily on penalty of a fine based on income or years profit in case of a newspaper

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"So he shagged the woman who charged him in first place got her pregnant and she pulled out of testifying against him........ Something fishy going on here

The baby has been born. "

Ryan Giggs is one of the god parents

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By *mf123Man
over a year ago

with one foot out the door

Ps iv seen no pictures iv heard the recording but for all we know thats a sex game theres plenty pics of women on here showing bruises with pride from rough play context and details are everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He should be playing again im so tired of the court of public opinion a social media dictating peoples lives the charges were dropped in the uk you are innocent until found guilty in court not in the press the press and public should be barred from reliecing this kind of thing into the public until found guily on penalty of a fine based on income or years profit in case of a newspaper

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses"

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Glad the club seen sense …. It’s a shame he didn’t go to court and face jail !!! People acting like he was found not guilty yet the charges got dropped that doesn’t change what he did and he has form with other incidents too, he should be man enough to come out and be honest about it all face his criticism and then move on with his life, it seems she has forgiven him and I don’t think he should be banished from the game completely and indefinitely but he also must understand people’s perception of him it’s down to him to change that not the other way round. He will end up in Saudi ££££

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ps iv seen no pictures iv heard the recording but for all we know thats a sex game theres plenty pics of women on here showing bruises with pride from rough play context and details are everything"

His girlfriend posted the audio and photos and said it was evidence of how Greenwood treated her. In one of the pics her face is bleeding. Still sound like a sex game?

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Ps iv seen no pictures iv heard the recording but for all we know thats a sex game theres plenty pics of women on here showing bruises with pride from rough play context and details are everything"

If that was the case wouldn’t they have said that to the police in the first place!! Would you really let it get to the point of someone being charged and out on bail before saying “it was all sex games mister!!!!”

That just an excuse looking for a reason!

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over a year ago

"Ps iv seen no pictures iv heard the recording but for all we know thats a sex game theres plenty pics of women on here showing bruises with pride from rough play context and details are everything

That just an excuse looking for a reason!

And also, why stay with the person who falsely accused you and start a family with her. If I was a millionaire footballer, I'd want to get as far away from her as possible

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit"

What does 'lol cope' mean?

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over a year ago

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit

What does 'lol cope' mean? "

Pretty much exactly what it says

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit

What does 'lol cope' mean?

Pretty much exactly what it says

Ok. So it means nothing then?

Because it reads as just 2 random words in no context?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit

What does 'lol cope' mean?

Pretty much exactly what it says

Ok. So it means nothing then?

Because it reads as just 2 random words in no context? "

Love how you're fixated on those two words rather than the point under it. Sounds about right for you to be fair though

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

This is what actually happened. Harriet Robsons friend leaked the pictures online. The police made the arrest as domestic abuse. The Robson family was against it because Mason is a meal ticket to them. The police can try force a domestic abuse case to go to court but if witnesses are not willing to come forward then there is no court case. Charges were dropped as a result.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit

What does 'lol cope' mean?

Pretty much exactly what it says

Ok. So it means nothing then?

Because it reads as just 2 random words in no context?

Love how you're fixated on those two words rather than the point under it. Sounds about right for you to be fair though "

Well i understood the point below. I didnt understand the 2 words above. Hence why i asked. Is that so bizarre?

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Ps iv seen no pictures iv heard the recording but for all we know thats a sex game theres plenty pics of women on here showing bruises with pride from rough play context and details are everything

That just an excuse looking for a reason!

And also, why stay with the person who falsely accused you and start a family with her. If I was a millionaire footballer, I'd want to get as far away from her as possible"
exactly

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

Guilty or not until he gets his day in court he should be left to work in what industry he chooses

Lol cope

But it's not like he's totally out of football. He'll still play and still make more than the average person could dream of. The rapist just won't be doing it in a Manchester United kit

What does 'lol cope' mean?

Pretty much exactly what it says

Ok. So it means nothing then?

Because it reads as just 2 random words in no context?

Love how you're fixated on those two words rather than the point under it. Sounds about right for you to be fair though "
He's a legal eagle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is what actually happened. Harriet Robsons friend leaked the pictures online. The police made the arrest as domestic abuse. The Robson family was against it because Mason is a meal ticket to them. The police can try force a domestic abuse case to go to court but if witnesses are not willing to come forward then there is no court case. Charges were dropped as a result."

Posted on Robson's official Insta account. Evidence that the family against charges because of "meal ticket"? Statement from her father called it "dreadful". No-one knows what happened between then and charges being dropped except that Greenwood broke bail and got her pregnant.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

So you're saying he forced her to have sex with him, resulting in her pregnancy

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