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Yes, rebuild the Crooked House brick by brick

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP   Man
over a year ago

Hastings

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/yes-rebuild-the-crooked-house-brick-by-brick

But if a pub chain sold it i would bet it was not being used enough to make a good profit if one at all. So is rebuilding it a waste of time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/yes-rebuild-the-crooked-house-brick-by-brick

But if a pub chain sold it i would bet it was not being used enough to make a good profit if one at all. So is rebuilding it a waste of time. "

Businesses sell assets all of the time. It doesn’t mean it’s not doing well, it could just mean the rest of the business needed a cash injection. Or maybe it didn’t suit their portfolio any more. Maybe it’s location didn’t fit in with a restructuring of their supply networks etc. There could be a number of reasons for the sale.

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By *inkyfun2013Couple
over a year ago

lewisham

It'll be interesting to see how the local authority deals with this. About 10 years ago, a pub in Sth London was illegally demolished by developers and they were forced to rebuild it. It's now a pleasant, busy pub that has been really successful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think with the amount of worldwide publicity it has had it will be booked out for a decade if rebuilt

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,


"https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/yes-rebuild-the-crooked-house-brick-by-brick

But if a pub chain sold it i would bet it was not being used enough to make a good profit if one at all. So is rebuilding it a waste of time. "

Marston's are selling off a lot of pubs that are not struggling/underused.Tgey have just sold a very busy pub/restaurant a few miles from me to build a petrol station.If the price is high enough they will sell.Look at the dodgy to say the least history of the new owners,demolitions and planning violations across the country.

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By *ertcamembertMan
over a year ago

Reading area


"https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/yes-rebuild-the-crooked-house-brick-by-brick

But if a pub chain sold it i would bet it was not being used enough to make a good profit if one at all. So is rebuilding it a waste of time.

Marston's are selling off a lot of pubs that are not struggling/underused.Tgey have just sold a very busy pub/restaurant a few miles from me to build a petrol station.If the price is high enough they will sell.Look at the dodgy to say the least history of the new owners,demolitions and planning violations across the country."
The new owners are not poor and have an arrogant and contemptuous attitude towards planning rules and regulations and are hoping that locals and the media will forget about it soon. Hopefully the Crooked House will be their undoing and they will have to pay the full cost of a brick by brick rebuild with some prison too. People need to keep this story in the spotlight online and in the media so the powers that be know they have to make an example of the owners when they are brought to justice

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Visiting Blackpool from

We'd like to see it rebuilt brick for brick but at the Black Country museum, which they've done with many buildings there. It's a piece of history gone

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

I was so sad to see that it was sold me and my mates used to visit regularly in the 90's.

So I sent him the link and he replied that he wouldn't be surprised if they knocked it down or blazed it so they could redevelop.

That happened the very next day, the developer is a lady who has had other properties questioned as she flouts the law.

The locals want it back and the council are investigating so we will see what occurs.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

It needs to be rebuilt on site.Taking it to a museum means it will never open again as a pub.It also lessens the seriousness,"it's ok the place was rebuilt elsewhere".what will be put in its place?whatever the new owners wanted by destroying originally!

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By *ertcamembertMan
over a year ago

Reading area


"I was so sad to see that it was sold me and my mates used to visit regularly in the 90's.

So I sent him the link and he replied that he wouldn't be surprised if they knocked it down or blazed it so they could redevelop.

That happened the very next day, the developer is a lady who has had other properties questioned as she flouts the law.

The locals want it back and the council are investigating so we will see what occurs."
What has occurred today is that two men have been arrested in connection with the arson attack, one is from Dudley and the other from Milton Keynes. Let's hope this leads to further developments in this case

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By *ourgeMan
over a year ago

stourport nr kidderminster

Nice to our local fabers are supportive of the crooked house .and people around the country .and the world . These a bad a state of affairs and should not of happened .all we can hope for now is it gets rebuilt

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By *pen2UMan
over a year ago

Telford

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By *pen2UMan
over a year ago

Telford

The Crooked House was a listed building so it shouldn't have been demolished. The demolition of the upper floor wall was only agreed by the council and the uproar was over the fact that they brought it all down.

Now it's the new owners that should take liability for this as they're the ones that had ordered the whole building to be grounded.

Wouldn't be surprised that the two people that raised it to burn had the order from the owners too, given the fact that this is now connected to he former property that was raised in flames too (they were suspects I think) down in Buckinghamshire some years ago.

I agree with the council and the police force that the building should be built brick by brick and have it back to its former glory, paid all expenses by the new owners.

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

I read that two men have been arrested and released on bail the charge arson.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Make them rebuild at with the full costs charged to them.

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By *ertcamembertMan
39 weeks ago

Reading area


"Make them rebuild at with the full costs charged to them.

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Maybe some good news here, South Staffordshire Council issued an enforcement order yesterday against the owners that requires them to rebuild it brick by brick back to as it was before the arson attack and subsequent illegal demolition in August last year. A positive step from the local authority and it must be done by February 2027

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By *orny PTMan
39 weeks ago

Peterborough


"https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/yes-rebuild-the-crooked-house-brick-by-brick

But if a pub chain sold it i would bet it was not being used enough to make a good profit if one at all. So is rebuilding it a waste of time.

Businesses sell assets all of the time. It doesn’t mean it’s not doing well, it could just mean the rest of the business needed a cash injection. Or maybe it didn’t suit their portfolio any more. Maybe it’s location didn’t fit in with a restructuring of their supply networks etc. There could be a number of reasons for the sale."

Don't forget, death, divorce and dodgy land redevelopment deals are common reasons for selling up.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
39 weeks ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Private Eye have pointed out how it's not unusual for an unwanted listed building to suddenly go on fire and then to be demolished and something more valuable to the owner built in its place.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
39 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Private Eye have pointed out how it's not unusual for an unwanted listed building to suddenly go on fire and then to be demolished and something more valuable to the owner built in its place. "

Any serving or ex fire service member will agree, pretty common in areas where the plot has a high value plus the property will require extra funds to get up to scratch that suddenly this building being empty and boarded up for months will burn down..

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By *agnar73Man
39 weeks ago

glasgow-ish


"Private Eye have pointed out how it's not unusual for an unwanted listed building to suddenly go on fire and then to be demolished and something more valuable to the owner built in its place.

Any serving or ex fire service member will agree, pretty common in areas where the plot has a high value plus the property will require extra funds to get up to scratch that suddenly this building being empty and boarded up for months will burn down.."

There’s a tax advantage on new build compared to refurbishing an existing building. Until that loophole gets sorted then the redevelopment by fire thing will go on and on

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
39 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Private Eye have pointed out how it's not unusual for an unwanted listed building to suddenly go on fire and then to be demolished and something more valuable to the owner built in its place.

Any serving or ex fire service member will agree, pretty common in areas where the plot has a high value plus the property will require extra funds to get up to scratch that suddenly this building being empty and boarded up for months will burn down..

There’s a tax advantage on new build compared to refurbishing an existing building. Until that loophole gets sorted then the redevelopment by fire thing will go on and on

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Agreed..

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By *olarbear73Man
39 weeks ago

Glasgow

How on earth will they be able to rebuild it to its original state?!?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
39 weeks ago

Central

I wonder if the owners will restructure their businesses, such that it will be owned by a business that goes bust. They've got to be able to afford the best champagne, before their first class trips

I can imagine they'll be another of the development types who will impose a multitude of legal challenges, potentially bankrupting Staffordshire council

The money for rebuilding should be taken upfront, for progressive release, as work gets done, before they try anything on. I'm guessing that they will be more protected than an individual would be.

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By *ellhungvweMan
39 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"I wonder if the owners will restructure their businesses, such that it will be owned by a business that goes bust. They've got to be able to afford the best champagne, before their first class trips

I can imagine they'll be another of the development types who will impose a multitude of legal challenges, potentially bankrupting Staffordshire council

The money for rebuilding should be taken upfront, for progressive release, as work gets done, before they try anything on. I'm guessing that they will be more protected than an individual would be. "

I like the idea of making them out some kind of guarantee up front

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
39 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"How on earth will they be able to rebuild it to its original state?!?"

I wonder about that too, goes against all the regs and the added cost might be prohibitive..

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By *olarbear73Man
39 weeks ago

Glasgow


"How on earth will they be able to rebuild it to its original state?!?

I wonder about that too, goes against all the regs and the added cost might be prohibitive.."

Yeah it’ll be in the planning department for years!! ()

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
39 weeks ago

Central


"I wonder if the owners will restructure their businesses, such that it will be owned by a business that goes bust. They've got to be able to afford the best champagne, before their first class trips

I'd like it to be the total estimated cost plus say, 50%.

I can imagine they'll be another of the development types who will impose a multitude of legal challenges, potentially bankrupting Staffordshire council

The money for rebuilding should be taken upfront, for progressive release, as work gets done, before they try anything on. I'm guessing that they will be more protected than an individual would be.

I like the idea of making them out some kind of guarantee up front "

Total estimated cost plus say, minimum 50% more. I'm guessing that local authorities will be hamstrung by law and precedent.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
39 weeks ago

chichester

They sill just sell it I expect and challenge it

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By *orny PTMan
39 weeks ago

Peterborough

Crooked house? Crooked property developing parasites more like.

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By *ertcamembertMan
39 weeks ago

Reading area


"Crooked house? Crooked property developing parasites more like."
Crooked property developers sometimes come unstuck, the one who illegally demolished the Carlton Tavern in Londons Maida Vale ended up paying for a brick by brick rebuild of that pub

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By *orny PTMan
39 weeks ago

Peterborough


"Crooked house? Crooked property developing parasites more like.Crooked property developers sometimes come unstuck, the one who illegally demolished the Carlton Tavern in Londons Maida Vale ended up paying for a brick by brick rebuild of that pub "

I'll drink to that... Landlord, I'll have a pint of "Bitter and Twisted" from Harviestoun Brewery. (A tongue-tingling bitter ale) and put it on CTLX's tab!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57155143

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