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"This bill has been all talk and no trousers for years now" Clinton? | |||
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors. The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over. Will YOU be doing this ? ![]() There's also a bit more to it in regard messaging and your internet history if the link below is the same thing? Apple are considering pulling out of the UK as UK Gov want easier access to messaging. So rather than have one rule for the UK and one for everywhere else they are considering ceasing UK operations. There was also something worrying about UK Gov wanting 12 months of website history - for some reason. "The government has opened an eight-week consultation on the proposed amendments to the IPA., which already enables the storage of internet browsing records for 12 months and authorises the bulk collection of personal data" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256081 | |||
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age. Driving licence would though " Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport..... | |||
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years. VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. " I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors. I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use. The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ? If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ? | |||
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years. VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors. I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use. The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ? If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ? " It probably should be the parents responsibility but that can be very hard to police if your teen is not in your visibility 100% of the time. | |||
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age. Driving licence would though Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport..... " A uk driving licence has your date of birth on it | |||
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors. The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over. Will YOU be doing this ? ![]() I find with these things that it is always an overwatered compromise. And that maybe for the best. But it never goes far enough to give protection to those requiring it (i.e.companies copyright) but falls well short in a acheaving their goals which then potateally creates unintended problems or loopholes, in an technological environment they is changing every 2 years or so. | |||
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors. The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over. Will YOU be doing this ? ![]() P.s. I'm not against it, I don't know enough about the bill in just going by experience of the recent changes in the EU millennium act in the US. | |||
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years. VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors. I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use. The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ? If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ? " When you have the idea that passwords, medical data, banking, protests, political inclination, even law suits are talked about or browsed, I'd like to think there was privacy between me, myself and those receiving, not spurious third parties forming ideas or gaining information that has no bearing to them. | |||
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age. Driving licence would though Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport..... A uk driving licence has your date of birth on it" It does, but then sites are going to have to scrutinise the evidence in great detail, whereas you HAVE to be over 18 to have a credit card in your own name. Is the likes of Fab going to devote so much time to scrutinising driving licences to check DOB? I doubt it very much. | |||
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age. Driving licence would though Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport..... A uk driving licence has your date of birth on it It does, but then sites are going to have to scrutinise the evidence in great detail, whereas you HAVE to be over 18 to have a credit card in your own name. Is the likes of Fab going to devote so much time to scrutinising driving licences to check DOB? I doubt it very much. " It'd be extremely expensive to do on scale, I think. It'd be bad for business. I'm not saying children should be looking at adult content, but I think this bill and its various iterations has been badly thought out and would be difficult or impossible to implement. | |||
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors. The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over. Will YOU be doing this ? ![]() Bad news for anyone over 18 who can’t drive and has poor credit. | |||
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"Bad news for anyone over 18 who can’t drive and has poor credit." Bad news for the 15 year old me. At least in those days you could find abandoned porn mags down the park or in your uncle's stash. Gbat | |||
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years. VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors. I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use. The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ? If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ? It probably should be the parents responsibility but that can be very hard to police if your teen is not in your visibility 100% of the time." ![]() | |||
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors. The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over. Will YOU be doing this ? ![]() Yes. | |||
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"Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable " OF is a brush company which unlike other sites means the government potentially had greater control over it. | |||
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"Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable OF is a brush company which unlike other sites means the government potentially had greater control over it." *British | |||
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"Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable OF is a brush company which unlike other sites means the government potentially had greater control over it." Because it creates revenue my point proven | |||
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years. VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors. I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use. The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ? If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ? When you have the idea that passwords, medical data, banking, protests, political inclination, even law suits are talked about or browsed, I'd like to think there was privacy between me, myself and those receiving, not spurious third parties forming ideas or gaining information that has no bearing to them. " You are confusing privacy and security. Two very different things. People hide behind the exude of security when it’s really privacy they value But why do people want to keep bank balances , medical records and political views as secrets from others ? But back to viewing porn which is what this bill is about. If everyone could see what you viewed, if it was public information, would it change what you viewed? | |||
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years. VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors. I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use. The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ? If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ? When you have the idea that passwords, medical data, banking, protests, political inclination, even law suits are talked about or browsed, I'd like to think there was privacy between me, myself and those receiving, not spurious third parties forming ideas or gaining information that has no bearing to them. You are confusing privacy and security. Two very different things. People hide behind the exude of security when it’s really privacy they value But why do people want to keep bank balances , medical records and political views as secrets from others ? But back to viewing porn which is what this bill is about. If everyone could see what you viewed, if it was public information, would it change what you viewed? " There's little difference in the two. If names, faces, addresses, personal finance, health data and political inclination were mere arguments of privacy choice; Police in NI would be cool, the Capita hack wouldn't have an ongoing investigation, 20 NHS Trusts wouldn't be under investigation for a simple facebook pixel. The facebook / Cambridge Analytica saga would have been just another well run election. Playing devils advocate is one thing, but a Gov wanting to grab personal messaging and histories is pretty nefarious. | |||
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" Playing devils advocate is one thing, but a Gov wanting to grab personal messaging and histories is pretty nefarious." There's a huge difference between decrypting and reading every message that everyone sends, and getting access (via a court issued warrant) to the encrypted emails of a suspected Terrorist, a drug dealer, or Boris Johnson, for the purposes of crime prevention or prosecution. | |||
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" Playing devils advocate is one thing, but a Gov wanting to grab personal messaging and histories is pretty nefarious. There's a huge difference between decrypting and reading every message that everyone sends, and getting access (via a court issued warrant) to the encrypted emails of a suspected Terrorist, a drug dealer, or Boris Johnson, for the purposes of crime prevention or prosecution." Agreed, though it doesn't mean they are not trying, as linked above, with Apple putting up a fuss in not allowing access. | |||
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age. Driving licence would though " That's assuming only adults with driving licenses watch porn; non drivers don't have the time nor energy as they are either still out walking or too knackered from walking to watch porn. | |||
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