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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this "please do. There was also a film about it a few years ago that was very upsetting. The Irish government made a half arsed apology today about their involvement. | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this "the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request  | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
please do. There was also a film about it a few years ago that was very upsetting.
The Irish government made a half arsed apology today about their involvement."Ohh, I see. Didn't know about today's development. I'll have a squiz. | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request "happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church They never got an appology either | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request
happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church
They never got an appology either"I forgot about that. Shameful! Whats horrible about the Magdalen Sisters is it happened until the mid 90's | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request
happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church
They never got an appology either
I forgot about that. Shameful!
Whats horrible about the Magdalen Sisters is it happened until the mid 90's"yep its shocking how kids are treat now day and age Happens all over tho, things like this will never stop, once children get into the systen they are lost and forgotten about Always seems to be religion in there somewhere tho when abuse is being dished out | |||
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"I was gonna say the same thing as NN, I didnt know who they were either.. its only ever led me to believe(especially after reading sunset song at school), that religious fanaticism, or Calvinistic practices were actually a measure of the offenders mental health problems or indeed that they were just pure cunts." about sums it up i think  | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request
happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church
They never got an appology either" | |||
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"Another reason NOT to have anything to with any organised religion ." | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request
happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church
They never got an appology either
I forgot about that. Shameful!
Whats horrible about the Magdalen Sisters is it happened until the mid 90's
yep its shocking how kids are treat now day and age
Happens all over tho, things like this will never stop, once children get into the systen they are lost and forgotten about
Always seems to be religion in there somewhere tho when abuse is being dished out "Gary Glitter, Jonathan King, Jimmy Saville not very religious. Religion has its faults but probably has no better or worse a percentage than than the general population of bad'un's! | |||
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" Gary Glitter, Jonathan King, Jimmy Saville not very religious. Religion has its faults but probably has no better or worse a percentage than than the general population of bad'un's! " No reason to excuse the religious nutters. A priest near here turned out to be chummy with Peter Tobin. He, the priest, was known to 'associate' with ladies of the night. Angelika Kluk's body was found beneath his chapel floor. | |||
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"Savile was a practising Catholic" Didn't he get a gong off Ratzo (or the one before him)? | |||
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"Savile was a practising Catholic Didn't he get a gong off Ratzo (or the one before him)?" probably for services to kiddie fiddling, he could give the Vatican a run for their money! | |||
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"Savile was a practising Catholic" True, but his crimes had nothing to do with religion, it was because he was evil and used his fame to get away with it and used his religion to disguise it. People like him are drawn to religion because it brings them closer to vulnerable people and especially children. | |||
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"Savile was a practising Catholic True, but his crimes had nothing to do with religion, it was because he was evil and used his fame to get away with it and used his religion to disguise it. People like him are drawn to religion because it brings them closer to vulnerable people and especially children. " He used the cloak of respectability to get closer to his victims. | |||
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"Savile was a practising Catholic Didn't he get a gong off Ratzo (or the one before him)?" And the Queen | |||
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" Gary Glitter, Jonathan King, Jimmy Saville not very religious. Religion has its faults but probably has no better or worse a percentage than than the general population of bad'un's! No reason to excuse the religious nutters. A priest near here turned out to be chummy with Peter Tobin. He, the priest, was known to 'associate' with ladies of the night. Angelika Kluk's body was found beneath his chapel floor." No ones excusing anyone. They are 'nutters' because they are, not because they're religious. It's like saying all British people are rowdy d*unks because of a few idiots on holiday... | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity." Stereotyping! | |||
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".......... its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity. Stereotyping!" Inbreeding! | |||
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" Gary Glitter, Jonathan King, Jimmy Saville not very religious. Religion has its faults but probably has no better or worse a percentage than than the general population of bad'un's! No reason to excuse the religious nutters. A priest near here turned out to be chummy with Peter Tobin. He, the priest, was known to 'associate' with ladies of the night. Angelika Kluk's body was found beneath his chapel floor. No ones excusing anyone. They are 'nutters' because they are, not because they're religious. ............... " Few are born nutters. A few years at the hands of the Christian Brothers or the Jesuits followed by a spell in a Seminary and you see the chaos which ensues. | |||
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"I do not see a correlation between being religious and a being a "nutter" ie somebody with mental health problems. I do accept that many pretty horrendous things over time have been done to innocent people in the name of religion." You don't see belief in a non-existent sky fairy as an indication of mental illness? | |||
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" Gary Glitter, Jonathan King, Jimmy Saville not very religious. Religion has its faults but probably has no better or worse a percentage than than the general population of bad'un's! No reason to excuse the religious nutters. A priest near here turned out to be chummy with Peter Tobin. He, the priest, was known to 'associate' with ladies of the night. Angelika Kluk's body was found beneath his chapel floor. No ones excusing anyone. They are 'nutters' because they are, not because they're religious. It's like saying all British people are rowdy d*unks because of a few idiots on holiday... " i agree with that, most just use the church to hide behind, use there possition of trust to gain confidance and abuse people and the trust their possition brings | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity. Stereotyping!" I just said I'm not anti-religious and when i termed the term 'these people' I was speaking about those that enforced these sisters to a miserable life inside asylums etc... where am I stereotyping? | |||
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" i agree with that, most just use the church to hide behind, use there possition of trust to gain confidance and abuse people and the trust their possition brings " Yet despite years of evidence, people (parents) queue up to get their weans taken in as altar boys etc. | |||
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"I do not see a correlation between being religious and a being a "nutter" ie somebody with mental health problems. I do accept that many pretty horrendous things over time have been done to innocent people in the name of religion. You don't see belief in a non-existent sky fairy as an indication of mental illness?" I dont believe in the 'sky fairy' and even as someone who prefers scientific things, I still cannot discount its possibility..I can argue the skyfairy might not be what is the described entity... I wont say anyone is a nutter for believing something they cant see..its almost as bad as those that called people heretics for their insights into the world around them what I have said is that there is horrid people I call cunts, but also that there is very conflicted people with personality disorders(that could be classed under mental health law), that have ran institutions like the OP has described | |||
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"People like him are drawn to religion because it brings them closer to vulnerable people and especially children. " true of some of the clergy also.. | |||
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"I do not see a correlation between being religious and a being a "nutter" ie somebody with mental health problems. I do accept that many pretty horrendous things over time have been done to innocent people in the name of religion. You don't see belief in a non-existent sky fairy as an indication of mental illness?" While I am personally not religious I would not ever make a diagnosis of mental health disorder on somebody just because they hold a belief I do not share. | |||
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"I do not see a correlation between being religious and a being a "nutter" ie somebody with mental health problems. I do accept that many pretty horrendous things over time have been done to innocent people in the name of religion. You don't see belief in a non-existent sky fairy as an indication of mental illness?" what about the people with mental illness that dont believe in religion | |||
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" also that there is very conflicted people with personality disorders(that could be classed under mental health law), that have ran institutions like the OP has described" on that note.... if being religious is being equated with having a mental health problem (I really hope I am misreading this) then that would be a pretty serious misunderstanding and judgment of mental health and the human psyche. | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame" Absolutely. One of the saddest, maddening, unbelievable yet moving film I ever saw. Also saw 2 of the 'girls' on TV last year being interviewed, it was sad to see so much sorrow in their eyes. | |||
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"I do not see a correlation between being religious and a being a "nutter" ie somebody with mental health problems. I do accept that many pretty horrendous things over time have been done to innocent people in the name of religion. You don't see belief in a non-existent sky fairy as an indication of mental illness? what about the people with mental illness that dont believe in religion" That's to misunderstand the any/ all business. | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity. Stereotyping! I just said I'm not anti-religious and when i termed the term 'these people' I was speaking about those that enforced these sisters to a miserable life inside asylums etc... where am I stereotyping?" By saying 'these people'. My grandmother was one of 'these sister's' and my mom spent most of her childhood in a convent and loved her time there and has great faith. I was brought up a Catholic, but as I grew up, I could see through the babble that I was expected to believe, but have great respect for my mother's belief and those who wish to take comfort from their faith. There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings. | |||
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"............ You don't see belief in a non-existent sky fairy as an indication of mental illness?While I am personally not religious I would not ever make a diagnosis of mental health disorder on somebody just because they hold a belief I do not share." That'd depend on the belief. | |||
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"...................There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings." They give succour to the evil. And money. And an air of respectability. | |||
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"...................There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings. They give succour to the evil. And money. And an air of respectability." ???? | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith." And if their faith is vested in one of those corrupt religious organisations? | |||
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"As much as I despise religion in all it's incarnations I recognise the need for people to believe in something. Without religion humanity would descend into chaotic madness with murder and pillage commonplace. " its like that with religion, more wars have been started over religion than any other reason | |||
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"As much as I despise religion in all it's incarnations I recognise the need for people to believe in something. Without religion humanity would descend into chaotic madness with murder and pillage commonplace. If the masses had not been controlled for all these years who's to say what sort of society we would have now. Maybe a society where death is treated as a sport, to be waged upon? The systematic termination of anyone above 50 years of age? There's no telling what life without religion would have been like and for that I'm grateful for what we have now, but I feel it is time the Church modernised it's ideology and brought it into line with mainstream thinking and scientific discovery. " Which Church? Catholics? Mormons? Quakers? | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith. And if their faith is vested in one of those corrupt religious organisations?" Doesn't make them evil or corrupt. At worse they may be gullible. | |||
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"...................There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings. They give succour to the evil. And money. And an air of respectability." and for decades some whom are now very senior people hid, moved and protected those who they knew to be child molesters.. equally culpable as they then set in place the same to happen elsewhere to other children.. | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith." If you mean the likes of Al Qaeda, then I agree totally. Some people seem to think that the whole of the Catholic church is corrupt and that is not true, just a small minority that ruin it for all. And that's from someone who is not a believer anymore, but respects others belief. | |||
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"As much as I despise religion in all it's incarnations I recognise the need for people to believe in something. Without religion humanity would descend into chaotic madness with murder and pillage commonplace. If the masses had not been controlled for all these years who's to say what sort of society we would have now. Maybe a society where death is treated as a sport, to be waged upon? The systematic termination of anyone above 50 years of age? There's no telling what life without religion would have been like and for that I'm grateful for what we have now, but I feel it is time the Church modernised it's ideology and brought it into line with mainstream thinking and scientific discovery. " I hear what you are saying, Wishy... but I would argue that it is possible to have a moral landscape without religion, too. | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith. If you mean the likes of Al Qaeda, then I agree totally. Some people seem to think that the whole of the Catholic church is corrupt and that is not true, just a small minority that ruin it for all. And that's from someone who is not a believer anymore, but respects others belief. " Thing is... (And I am in now way supportive of Al Quaeda or any other terror organisation) their followers see themselves not as terrorists but as genuine believers and freedom fighters... | |||
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"As much as I despise religion in all it's incarnations I recognise the need for people to believe in something. Without religion humanity would descend into chaotic madness with murder and pillage commonplace. If the masses had not been controlled for all these years who's to say what sort of society we would have now. Maybe a society where death is treated as a sport, to be waged upon? The systematic termination of anyone above 50 years of age? There's no telling what life without religion would have been like and for that I'm grateful for what we have now, but I feel it is time the Church modernised it's ideology and brought it into line with mainstream thinking and scientific discovery. " you mean 'some' people yes..? not seen any down fall and anarchy where the common factor has been that those involved are agnostic or atheists.. | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith. And if their faith is vested in one of those corrupt religious organisations? Doesn't make them evil or corrupt. At worse they may be gullible." By their financial support for such organisations they are complicit in their corruption. | |||
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".Thing is... (And I am in now way supportive of Al Quaeda or any other terror organisation) their followers see themselves not as terrorists but as genuine believers and freedom fighters..." Oh wid some power, the giftie gie us. | |||
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".Thing is... (And I am in now way supportive of Al Quaeda or any other terror organisation) their followers see themselves not as terrorists but as genuine believers and freedom fighters... Oh wid some power, the giftie gie us." You lost me there  | |||
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".Thing is... (And I am in now way supportive of Al Quaeda or any other terror organisation) their followers see themselves not as terrorists but as genuine believers and freedom fighters... Oh wid some power, the giftie gie us.You lost me there "To see oorselves as ithers see us. | |||
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" also that there is very conflicted people with personality disorders(that could be classed under mental health law), that have ran institutions like the OP has described on that note.... if being religious is being equated with having a mental health problem (I really hope I am misreading this) then that would be a pretty serious misunderstanding and judgment of mental health and the human psyche." ok, what I mean are those that have a firm belief in what they are doing is gods work- yet actually are doing everything that isnt what would be described as being one of good faith I can only equate it to that group in the USA of recent who thought it would be good to protest outside the school of gunned down children, in the premise of it being classed as gods work now thats mentally challenged in my opinion.. I havent said anywhere about being believing in religious things as having any form of problems, I know much better than that and I dont believe every priest or whatever is some kind of monster | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith. And if their faith is vested in one of those corrupt religious organisations? Doesn't make them evil or corrupt. At worse they may be gullible. By their financial support for such organisations they are complicit in their corruption." Nonsense | |||
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"There is a vast difference between a corrupt religious organisation and people of genuine faith. And if their faith is vested in one of those corrupt religious organisations? Doesn't make them evil or corrupt. At worse they may be gullible. By their financial support for such organisations they are complicit in their corruption." I may see it that way. You may see it that way. But they may not. Gullible - see? | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity. Stereotyping! I just said I'm not anti-religious and when i termed the term 'these people' I was speaking about those that enforced these sisters to a miserable life inside asylums etc... where am I stereotyping? By saying 'these people'. My grandmother was one of 'these sister's' and my mom spent most of her childhood in a convent and loved her time there and has great faith. I was brought up a Catholic, but as I grew up, I could see through the babble that I was expected to believe, but have great respect for my mother's belief and those who wish to take comfort from their faith. There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings." I think Ive made it quite clear who 'these people' are, much in the way I know lots of places where 'these people' work in mental health and elserly care homes. try not clutching at the stereotyping issue when that was never ever said...when I generalize I will generlize..this was about the people concerned in the case of the OP's post and the place. I dont see in any of my posts me saying I think everywheres been awful to children throughout the world. Try not taking offense to something that is not personally aimed. | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity. Stereotyping! I just said I'm not anti-religious and when i termed the term 'these people' I was speaking about those that enforced these sisters to a miserable life inside asylums etc... where am I stereotyping? By saying 'these people'. My grandmother was one of 'these sister's' and my mom spent most of her childhood in a convent and loved her time there and has great faith. I was brought up a Catholic, but as I grew up, I could see through the babble that I was expected to believe, but have great respect for my mother's belief and those who wish to take comfort from their faith. There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings. I think Ive made it quite clear who 'these people' are, much in the way I know lots of places where 'these people' work in mental health and elserly care homes. try not clutching at the stereotyping issue when that was never ever said...when I generalize I will generlize..this was about the people concerned in the case of the OP's post and the place. I dont see in any of my posts me saying I think everywheres been awful to children throughout the world. Try not taking offense to something that is not personally aimed." No offense taken. You only explained what you meant by 'these people' after I commented about stereotyping. You asked what I meant by this and I answered. I never suggested you taught that everywheres been awful to children......mystified. The ops original post was about the Magdalene sisters, which is a generalisation about the places those girls ended up, but not all were bad. Sorry if you think my comments are directed at you, they're not, just trying to let others understand that each persons experience was different and not all bad. | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity. Stereotyping! I just said I'm not anti-religious and when i termed the term 'these people' I was speaking about those that enforced these sisters to a miserable life inside asylums etc... where am I stereotyping? By saying 'these people'. My grandmother was one of 'these sister's' and my mom spent most of her childhood in a convent and loved her time there and has great faith. I was brought up a Catholic, but as I grew up, I could see through the babble that I was expected to believe, but have great respect for my mother's belief and those who wish to take comfort from their faith. There are millions of very good people who practice different faiths around the world and it's unfair for other people to tar them with the same brush as a small minority of evil beings. I think Ive made it quite clear who 'these people' are, much in the way I know lots of places where 'these people' work in mental health and elserly care homes. try not clutching at the stereotyping issue when that was never ever said...when I generalize I will generlize..this was about the people concerned in the case of the OP's post and the place. I dont see in any of my posts me saying I think everywheres been awful to children throughout the world. Try not taking offense to something that is not personally aimed. No offense taken. You only explained what you meant by 'these people' after I commented about stereotyping. You asked what I meant by this and I answered. I never suggested you taught that everywheres been awful to children......mystified. The ops original post was about the Magdalene sisters, which is a generalisation about the places those girls ended up, but not all were bad. Sorry if you think my comments are directed at you, they're not, just trying to let others understand that each persons experience was different and not all bad. " my first post on the subject really indicates who I was aiming my 'these people' at....hows that lol? | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame" to be fair..... alot of those girls and young women were sent to the sisters by their parents and peers, so maybe SOCIETY should hang their heads along with the rest of us that let it happen... | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame to be fair..... alot of those girls and young women were sent to the sisters by their parents and peers, so maybe SOCIETY should hang their heads along with the rest of us that let it happen... " | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame to be fair..... alot of those girls and young women were sent to the sisters by their parents and peers, so maybe SOCIETY should hang their heads along with the rest of us that let it happen... "I agree, but its the hierarchic nature of what happened..follow orders or be shunned from the community...no work etc etc, not making excuses but lets just say if a Dr ,priest etc said u had to do something it was just done thankfully we live in a bit more of a modern time that it doesnt happen as much even if it was some rare instances | |||
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"I was gonna say the same thing as NN, I didnt know who they were either.. its only ever led me to believe(especially after reading sunset song at school), that religious fanaticism, or Calvinistic practices were actually a measure of the offenders mental health problems or indeed that they were just pure cunts." Admitting you didn't have a clue and yet my mother lived it, I win...lol | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame to be fair..... alot of those girls and young women were sent to the sisters by their parents and peers, so maybe SOCIETY should hang their heads along with the rest of us that let it happen...
I agree, but its the hierarchic nature of what happened..follow orders or be shunned from the community...no work etc etc, not making excuses but lets just say if a Dr ,priest etc said u had to do something it was just done
"thats true... i also believe the catholic church lends to the cultivation of these monsters by repressing the natural sexual urges in their followers to the point where these people believe themselves to be sexual deviants for having such "sinful thoughts"....... but that does not take away OUR individual responsibility to treat all without judgement!!  | |||
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"The whole Magdelegne houses were disgusting. The Irish Gov have apologised, hang on the British Gov have NOT apoligised even though their child services were involved. Same as any homes in the 40/80's etc for pregnant women no matter on religion. Look up facts before wanting to offend religions and peoples beliefs. Being Irish Catholic I find some comments ignorant and down right offensiv and rascist. Yes I have an Aunt who was sent somewhere similar and lost her child. Fuck all to do with religion it was just an unfortunate sign of the times as she was out of wedlock with chilf. Yes she lost a child and I lost a cousin. WTF Saville has to do with it fuck knows. So please expand. As its not just Catholics who sexually abuse so look things up n remove your head from your blinkered arse! Why not say all of Eton etc are homosexuals and they were all abused which makes them all gay and child molesters. Oh thats right it is because they arent so dont talk shite! Some people need to remove their blinkers and live in the real world instead of assuming absolute bollocks. How would people feel if I said every Muslim male got teenage white girls in care into prostitution? Or every Jewish man made every female they met to wear wigs etc and forced bacon butties down them to prove how evil n sick they were?! Try not to be so down right stereotypical or ignorant when trying to look smart or cool when you actually know fuck all and you are just being nasty, offensive and showing you are plain ignorant. And people wonder why there are wars on religion and race. Give me strength." Well said | |||
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"I was gonna say the same thing as NN, I didnt know who they were either.. its only ever led me to believe(especially after reading sunset song at school), that religious fanaticism, or Calvinistic practices were actually a measure of the offenders mental health problems or indeed that they were just pure cunts. Admitting you didn't have a clue and yet my mother lived it, I win...lol" pointless admitting I knew something when i didnt isnt it lol..I didnt know where or when it all happened.. that doesnt discount the wrongs that have been done in many cultures and countries, whether its religious based or healthcare based its the lack of reciprocity thats come from many years from the organizations that were supposed to be in place to treat and protect people thats the central issue isnt it? | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request
happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church
They never got an appology either" | |||
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"I'm not anti-religious, but when these people say they are greater than other humans for being 'closer' to god, they in fact believe this and become the speakers for god, his interpreters..if they actually do believe in god, they feel they can repent themselves better for sins they commit.If they dont believe in what they preach they are either greedy,powertrippers or evil(in the cunt form...nothing about satan lol) its a reason I hold no-one in high regard relating to their religious or sovereign status unless its clear they have done things that are selfless acts of kindness and humanity." | |||
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"So all those anti catholic, do you have your own beliefs or do you actually honestly believe every catholic priest is a child abuser? " Not anti-catholic. Anti organised religion. "Do you actually believe someone like me would be willing go get my own child baptised into a group of paedophiles? " It happens. Perhaps not knowingly but it happens. "I went to a school ran by nuns and went to church groups ran by priestd not once was I touched inappropiately. As for those who give disapproving looks or comments on the so called right wing posts look what you hsve put. In my opinion you are just as bad for the calling of the nazis "Given Ratzo's connection to the Nazis, that's maybe not the wisest thing to say. | |||
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"Given Ratzo's connection to the Nazis, that's maybe not the wisest thing to say." The Pope has explained his involvement with the Nazis. In 1930s Germany, if you resisted the Nazis in any way whatsoever your card was well and truly marked, priest or not. | |||
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"As an irish person i do find all of this shameful but what a lot of people don't understand was at the time of the laudries the church was second only to the irish goverment. What the local priest said went (in some cases literally) they had a lot of power and to use a cliche power corrupted them. My parents and grandparents told me stories about what it was like. I was shocked at it. The goverment of those days were friecely religionous and while not an excuse it was one of many reasons it happened. Today the church means nothing to a lot of young irish people. (me included) i'm just glad that we saw the errors of our ways before it was too late. I'll just climb off my soapbox and hide now "I think you got the order wrong. The government came second to the church. Some would say it still does. Remember Savita Halappanavar who was allowed to die in a Galway hospital rather than be given an abortion? | |||
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"Remember Savita Halappanavar who was allowed to die in a Galway hospital rather than be given an abortion?" and the Irish girl the Irish Govt tried to prevent coming to England for an abortion. | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame" Sadly they won't admit to anything openly as it could result in financial cost from people taking them to court. Unfortunately society is its own worst enemy. | |||
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"i have no idea what your talking about, i shall have to google this
the irish nuns keeping girls as slave labour at the governments request
happens a lot, what about all the kids from childrens homes in the UK that were shipped off to Australia by the English goverment and used as slaves for farming, housing keeping and building and abused sexually by the church
They never got an appology either "The Child Migrants received apologies on behalf of the Australian and British Governments from Kevin Reed and Gordon Brown in 2009. | |||
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Don't spose it matters that the church are still hiding secrets..like I said before on another thread..the pope and members of the royal family STILL have in their safes..jew skin ornaments...how can people see these folks as OUR leaders...our spiritual guides??
They are the poison in our everyday life...and they will continue to poison our minds,lives and planet while they are allowed to live ABOVE the pathetic laws that WE are forced to adhere to!!
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"Given Ratzo's connection to the Nazis, that's maybe not the wisest thing to say. The Pope has explained his involvement with the Nazis. In 1930s Germany, if you resisted the Nazis in any way whatsoever your card was well and truly marked, priest or not." I recall many others who sought to explain their involvement with the Nazis. Most were executed or imprisoned post Nuremberg. Mind you, his Nazi past might explain his fondness for fancy dress. | |||
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"Given Ratzo's connection to the Nazis, that's maybe not the wisest thing to say. The Pope has explained his involvement with the Nazis. In 1930s Germany, if you resisted the Nazis in any way whatsoever your card was well and truly marked, priest or not. I recall many others who sought to explain their involvement with the Nazis. Most were executed or imprisoned post Nuremberg. Mind you, his Nazi past might explain his fondness for fancy dress." | |||
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"As much as I despise religion in all it's incarnations I recognise the need for people to believe in something. Without religion humanity would descend into chaotic madness with murder and pillage commonplace. If the masses had not been controlled for all these years who's to say what sort of society we would have now. Maybe a society where death is treated as a sport, to be waged upon? The systematic termination of anyone above 50 years of age? There's no telling what life without religion would have been like and for that I'm grateful for what we have now, but I feel it is time the Church modernised it's ideology and brought it into line with mainstream thinking and scientific discovery. " Morality predates Christianity. most people don't need a beardy man in the sky to provide them with a compass | |||
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"Given Ratzo's connection to the Nazis, that's maybe not the wisest thing to say. The Pope has explained his involvement with the Nazis. In 1930s Germany, if you resisted the Nazis in any way whatsoever your card was well and truly marked, priest or not." He must have been a very young priest. In 1938 he was 13 | |||
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" Morality predates Christianity. most people don't need a beardy man in the sky to provide them with a compass" Most folks don't need other peoples idea's of what morality is either!  | |||
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"Given Ratzo's connection to the Nazis, that's maybe not the wisest thing to say. The Pope has explained his involvement with the Nazis. In 1930s Germany, if you resisted the Nazis in any way whatsoever your card was well and truly marked, priest or not. He must have been a very young priest. In 1938 he was 13" And even a lot older in 1951 when he actually become a priest lot | |||
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently murdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't." Well said
There are a lot of people around the world who want to believe what they hear as it suits their argument, whilst ignoring the possibility that it may actually be untrue.
Religious believers, activists, terrorists, nationalists and politicians are just some of those people who use snippets of fact to base their beliefs on and after reading some of the uneducated comments on here, a small minority of fab members too. | |||
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"Evil bitches. Shame the Irish government don't admit their part in what happened. I am not surprised the Catholic church does not apologise, they never do. Everyone involved should hang their heads in shame" Corruption runs deep in some societies and it goes to prove people who claim moral ground because they have been elected are not always innocent. I would be surprised if the victims ever get a full apology but even so its disappointing there hasn't been one. | |||
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently murdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't. Well said
There are a lot of people around the world who want to believe what they hear as it suits their argument, whilst ignoring the possibility that it may actually be untrue.
Religious believers, activists, terrorists, nationalists and politicians are just some of those people who use snippets of fact to base their beliefs on and after reading some of the uneducated comments on here, a small minority of fab members too. "If you're referring to the Pope no one on this thread claimed he was a Nazi | |||
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"If you're referring to the Pope no one on this thread claimed he was a Nazi" The suggestion was there in one or two of Onny's comments. Even as an atheist with no affinity for the Catholic Church or any other religious organisation, I was uncomfortable with the implication that was clearly being made and felt I should put it right with some facts rather than allowing misleading innuendo to prevail. | |||
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently murdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't. Well said
There are a lot of people around the world who want to believe what they hear as it suits their argument, whilst ignoring the possibility that it may actually be untrue.
Religious believers, activists, terrorists, nationalists and politicians are just some of those people who use snippets of fact to base their beliefs on and after reading some of the uneducated comments on here, a small minority of fab members too.
If you're referring to the Pope no one on this thread claimed he was a Nazi"I wasn't referring to the Pope, just their beliefs in general and picking only the bits that back up their argument. As for anyone on this thread claiming the Pope was a Nazi, one person did however make a few comments that strongly suggested he had been involved in the past. Proving my point, I believe. | |||
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently murdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't." The Church still profited from Hitlers spoils...and has become greedy, the church is not supposed to obtain personal wealth but yet it has more wealth than any other organisation except maybe royals...!! Its never been about faith..only money and power over people! | |||
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently murdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't. Well said
There are a lot of people around the world who want to believe what they hear as it suits their argument, whilst ignoring the possibility that it may actually be untrue.
Religious believers, activists, terrorists, nationalists and politicians are just some of those people who use snippets of fact to base their beliefs on and after reading some of the uneducated comments on here, a small minority of fab members too.
If you're referring to the Pope no one on this thread claimed he was a Nazi
I wasn't referring to the Pope, just their beliefs in general and picking only the bits that back up their argument.
As for anyone on this thread claiming the Pope was a Nazi, one person did however make a few comments that strongly suggested he had been involved in the past. Proving my point, I believe.
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently murdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't. The Church still profited from Hitlers spoils...and has become greedy, the church is not supposed to obtain personal wealth but yet it has more wealth than any other organisation except maybe royals...!! Its never been about faith..only money and power over people! "I agree entirely. It's often forgotten as well that the Vatican turned a blind eye to a lot of Nazi atrocities; Pope Pius XII never voiced any protest at the ethnic cleansing he must have known about. We shouldn't forget that the Church and its followers were instrumental in rescuing hundreds of thousands of people who would otherwise have been murdered or spent years in camps, but that doesn't excuse their silence. | |||
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"Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, because it was the law. He avoided meetings where he could, with the assistance of one of his teachers. His cousin, who had Down syndrome, was taken away for 'therapy' and subsequently muyrdered. It's probably fair to say he's not and never was a Nazi. The Catholic Church is a lot of things, but headed by a Nazi it isn't. Well said
There are a lot of people around the world who want to believe what they hear as it suits their argument, whilst ignoring the possibility that it may actually be untrue.
Religious believers, activists, terrorists, nationalists and politicians are just some of those people who use snippets of fact to base their beliefs on and after reading some of the uneducated comments on here, a small minority of fab members too.
If you're referring to the Pope no one on this thread claimed he was a Nazi
I wasn't referring to the Pope, just their beliefs in general and picking only the bits that back up their argument.
As for anyone on this thread claiming the Pope was a Nazi, one person did however make a few comments that strongly suggested he had been involved in the past. Proving my point, I believe.
I dunno. What was your point?"That there are a lot of people who believe all the negative points they read or hear about others or organisations that they already have a dislike for. Truth hurts sometimes... | |||
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"The sooner the established churches including the Catholic church start to lose their power and wealth the better! They should all be held accountable for any crimes they commit with the full weight of the law. Infact I would go so far as to say they should have an independant review board that monitors their actions. Perhaps this would then stop the various churches from 'punishing' their priests by quietly moving them to another area when they have either committed a crime or caused a scandal. What has happened in the past is disgusting. If power corrupts, take away all the churches power. Let faith rather than control be their central ideal!! quaint thought I know!! " | |||
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"I was brought up as a Catholic and abhor everything thing this church stands for. On a separate note, I just thought, do Catholic swingers only practice unsafe sex? "No we dont, thats what confession is for!  | |||
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"I was brought up as a Catholic and abhor everything thing this church stands for. On a separate note, I just thought, do Catholic swingers only practice unsafe sex? No we dont, thats what confession is for! "lol | |||
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"I do not see a correlation between being religious and a being a "nutter" ie somebody with mental health problems. I do accept that many pretty horrendous things over time have been done to innocent people in the name of religion." People incorrectly use the term 'Religious Nutter' when what they are really trying to say is 'Religious Hysteric' - a phenomena know for hundreds, if not thousands, of years which stems from the overtly evangelical nature of many smaller religions and sects, who's preaching style/ethos is to whip their congregations up into a 'Jerry Springer audience' state which perpetuates beyond the place of worship. | |||
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