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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player."

It's a very difficult subject and every point of view has the the potential to offend some.

Ultimately, Safety of players should be the number one factor in every sport.

Cal

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By *estarossa.Woman
over a year ago

Flagrante

Sounds like they were out to prove themselves, at best.

Rugby is a particularly dangerous sport when played overly agressively, so the ref probably acted correctly, if not leniently. There is no room for a dangerous gameplayer, agression has to be managed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sounds like they were out to prove themselves, at best.

Rugby is a particularly dangerous sport when played overly agressively, so the ref probably acted correctly, if not leniently. There is no room for a dangerous gameplayer, agression has to be managed.

"

They? There was one person, a male, born male, observed and recorded as male when born. Physically male, men should not compete against females in sports. Thankfully some sports organisations are now blocking males.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

"The use of reasonable force" is something that ref should have been monitoring, I'd have sent the person off to reevaluate their actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *mf123Man
over a year ago

with one foot out the door

Sounds like a recipe for disaster soon will follow assault charges or worse

We have had womens teams train against us and even taking 50% off your intensity can do unintended damage even in just training with padding and shields you only need get a techniqe wrong once and its blue lights

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By *irty-pairCouple
over a year ago

South Essex

There may well have been no illegal hits, but the risk of serious injury is off the scale when two people of massively different sizes and weights collide. Safety has to be number one priority. This is madness; someone will end up in a wheelchair - or worse.

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By *929Man
over a year ago

newcastle

Surely there has to be some sort of line drawn? A 16 stone bloke deciding he wants to compete with lasses is never going to be fair, even if they were made to suppress their testosterone down the the level of a woman’s for years before competing they still will have an unfair advantage. Imagine a prime Mike Tyson identifying as female and facing a female boxer the results would be horrific.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high. "

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Surely there has to be some sort of line drawn? A 16 stone bloke deciding he wants to compete with lasses is never going to be fair, even if they were made to suppress their testosterone down the the level of a woman’s for years before competing they still will have an unfair advantage. Imagine a prime Mike Tyson identifying as female and facing a female boxer the results would be horrific. "

This player identifies as non-binary so not sure they are on any testosterone treatment. Canadian Rugby allows this.

From the video the player looks male.

https://youtu.be/hgiptIm0ACE

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By *orks and Scots girlCouple
over a year ago

leeds

The bone density and muscle structure of a male is far more significant than in a woman.. this should never be allowed, contact sport should never be allowed to have trans people like this in.. some governing bodies are banning them .. it’s just getting ridiculous now, birth males are a total different body type and physiology to women

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player.

It's a very difficult subject and every point of view has the the potential to offend some.

Ultimately, Safety of players should be the number one factor in every sport.

Cal"
This .

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Whoever thought this is a good idea needs a reality check, and not saying "NO YOU CAN NOT" to a petulant childish mind is just going to instil the petulance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level."

Ok. But the RFU did ban trans women last year didnt they?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

Contact sports is a whole other monster compare to things like track and field and none contact sports.

We can go back and forth on performance of faster, stronger athletic etc etc but when it comes to something like this where potential injury to another player/competitor it needs to be much more definitive ruling.

The problem is maybe some trans women in the sport are much closer to size and mass to what their team mates and competition are while others (this case prime example) are simply a huge mass to contend with.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level.

Ok. But the RFU did ban trans women last year didnt they? "

Yes they did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/35574993/rugby-saved-transgender-player-julie-curtiss-fighting-rfu-ban-her%3fplatform=amp

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player.

It's a very difficult subject and every point of view has the the potential to offend some.

Ultimately, Safety of players should be the number one factor in every sport.

Cal"

I disagree. Its not that difficult at all. There is no place in sport for dangerous play that harms a players safety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's pleasantly refreshing to see this topic being discussed sensibly by adults, without the usual faux accusations of "transphobia" being thrown around.

Bess x

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Should there be a trans lady league ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's pleasantly refreshing to see this topic being discussed sensibly by adults, without the usual faux accusations of "transphobia" being thrown around.

Bess x"

Its nice to see it discussed without hyperbole from either end of the spectrum.

Long may it last

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Should there be a trans lady league .. "

If thats what it takes to play the sport safely. Yes.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level.

Ok. But the RFU did ban trans women last year didnt they?

Yes they did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/35574993/rugby-saved-transgender-player-julie-curtiss-fighting-rfu-ban-her%3fplatform=amp"

I think the language used is clumsy. They didnt ban them. They baned them from the female contact sport... "Trans women, irrespective of if they have played contact rugby previously, will no longer

be able to participate in the female category for contact rugby".

They can currently play mens or touch.

It is worth reading the rfu website for more information.

Link here.

https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-council-votes-in-favour-of-change-to-gender-participation-policy

The salient point being that other players are effected by any policies along with transwomen, is it right that policy to allow transwomen to play womens contact rugby at the expense and injury to other women as it would kill the sport.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

They're all big hardy gurls ...

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Same with that cyclist Rachel McKinnon, I remember then winning the masters against tiny little women who didn’t stand a chance, after they spend years competing as a man and coming last.

Then they went in to publish a PhD about why lying about certain things is good. Males you wonder what else they are lying about

But Rugby is contact sport, sounds like a bloke who just enjoys roughing women up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level.

Ok. But the RFU did ban trans women last year didnt they?

Yes they did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/35574993/rugby-saved-transgender-player-julie-curtiss-fighting-rfu-ban-her%3fplatform=amp"

That's the article I was reading this morning!

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Chinese lady's / fella footie team .? ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level.

Ok. But the RFU did ban trans women last year didnt they?

Yes they did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/35574993/rugby-saved-transgender-player-julie-curtiss-fighting-rfu-ban-her%3fplatform=amp

I think the language used is clumsy. They didnt ban them. They baned them from the female contact sport... "Trans women, irrespective of if they have played contact rugby previously, will no longer

be able to participate in the female category for contact rugby".

They can currently play mens or touch.

It is worth reading the rfu website for more information.

Link here.

https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-council-votes-in-favour-of-change-to-gender-participation-policy

The salient point being that other players are effected by any policies along with transwomen, is it right that policy to allow transwomen to play womens contact rugby at the expense and injury to other women as it would kill the sport.

"

Many of the headlines refer to banning trans people from sport, when that isn't at all what's happened. People can still play within their own sex category.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Contact sports is a whole other monster compare to things like track and field and none contact sports.

We can go back and forth on performance of faster, stronger athletic etc etc but when it comes to something like this where potential injury to another player/competitor it needs to be much more definitive ruling.

The problem is maybe some trans women in the sport are much closer to size and mass to what their team mates and competition are while others (this case prime example) are simply a huge mass to contend with. "

Its not just the size. Males have more muscle density. Has one of the woman injured said.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said the player. “There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Thank god Rugby in the UK has banned trans women playing in women's contact rugby - the risk of serious injury is so high.

It banned by World Rugby at international level competitions. But its up to a individual country what they do at domestic level.

Ok. But the RFU did ban trans women last year didnt they?

Yes they did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/35574993/rugby-saved-transgender-player-julie-curtiss-fighting-rfu-ban-her%3fplatform=amp

I think the language used is clumsy. They didnt ban them. They baned them from the female contact sport... "Trans women, irrespective of if they have played contact rugby previously, will no longer

be able to participate in the female category for contact rugby".

They can currently play mens or touch.

It is worth reading the rfu website for more information.

Link here.

https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-council-votes-in-favour-of-change-to-gender-participation-policy

The salient point being that other players are effected by any policies along with transwomen, is it right that policy to allow transwomen to play womens contact rugby at the expense and injury to other women as it would kill the sport.

Many of the headlines refer to banning trans people from sport, when that isn't at all what's happened. People can still play within their own sex category. "

Exactly that. Theres a lot of inaccurate chickbait... Its harmful for the genuine opportunities that do exist.

But you dont need a phd or to be a genius to work out some things regarding participant safety in contact sports. Despite how much some people want to force an issue

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

How about trans men . can they join up with the cis men...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?"

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?"

A good question. Im sure the other players love the risk to their well being

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality. "

I hope I don't get pelters for this because I'd love to know the nuances but are they male to female trans if they identify as non binary and not transitioning?

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

I though most trans women leaned more to the feminine side ... Ie there straight women ...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality. "

But non-binary is not the same as being transgender, is it? My understanding is that non-binary people do not identify as a binary gender (male or female). Transgender people feel they were assigned the wrong gender and wish to live as the opposite gender, e.g. male to female or vice versa, but they do identify with one of the binary options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality.

But non-binary is not the same as being transgender, is it? My understanding is that non-binary people do not identify as a binary gender (male or female). Transgender people feel they were assigned the wrong gender and wish to live as the opposite gender, e.g. male to female or vice versa, but they do identify with one of the binary options. "

Yet I keep coming across non-binary people saying they're trans (possibly because Stonewall says they are?).

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Paul in the morning Paula on the playing field .....

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality.

But non-binary is not the same as being transgender, is it? My understanding is that non-binary people do not identify as a binary gender (male or female). Transgender people feel they were assigned the wrong gender and wish to live as the opposite gender, e.g. male to female or vice versa, but they do identify with one of the binary options. "

That's a good point. So. A person who chooses to be non binary but is biologically male, can choose to play for a womens team?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality.

But non-binary is not the same as being transgender, is it? My understanding is that non-binary people do not identify as a binary gender (male or female). Transgender people feel they were assigned the wrong gender and wish to live as the opposite gender, e.g. male to female or vice versa, but they do identify with one of the binary options.

That's a good point. So. A person who chooses to be non binary but is biologically male, can choose to play for a womens team? "

There have been several examples in marathons and cycling recently of just this. Some marathons have a non-binary category. Boston, London, New York. Which means that biological men could win all three categories if trans women are permitted to race in the women's category.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Put it to the test and hope for the best ..

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Well as harsh as it sounds.

Non binary shouldn't be competing in either men's or women's.

Can't pick and choose when you want to be a certain gender just to suit yourself.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Are these post op women ... Or are there dangling bits in the scrum ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Physiologically male should not be in direct sports contact with physiological female. It’s at best an unfair physical advantage at worst just dangerous. Seems straightforward to me.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

I'm not into hitting anyone , but wouldn't get in the ring with katie Taylor....

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Physiologically male should not be in direct sports contact with physiological female. It’s at best an unfair physical advantage at worst just dangerous. Seems straightforward to me. "

Youd think so... But seemingly not so straightforward

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Physiologically male should not be in direct sports contact with physiological female. It’s at best an unfair physical advantage at worst just dangerous. Seems straightforward to me.

Youd think so... But seemingly not so straightforward "

It's not biologically as straightforward as people like to think. Differences of sexual development are more common than we realise. Someone like Caster Semenya doesn't meet the biological definitions we use of male or female really. But she is female in terms of visible external genitalia and was assigned female at birth (based on what could be seen, presumably). She would be legitimately on the ladies rugby team.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I’m going to try out for the mens rugby team, I only want to get in the bath with all those hunks at the end of the game.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Good point

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I’m going to try out for the mens rugby team, I only want to get in the bath with all those hunks at the end of the game."

Go for it. Knock 'em dead...

Maybe that's one for the "bad advice" thread

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Physiologically male should not be in direct sports contact with physiological female. It’s at best an unfair physical advantage at worst just dangerous. Seems straightforward to me.

Youd think so... But seemingly not so straightforward

It's not biologically as straightforward as people like to think. Differences of sexual development are more common than we realise. Someone like Caster Semenya doesn't meet the biological definitions we use of male or female really. But she is female in terms of visible external genitalia and was assigned female at birth (based on what could be seen, presumably). She would be legitimately on the ladies rugby team. "

Nippy winger?

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"How about trans men . can they join up with the cis men... "

I truly doubt they would want to.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Are we not all equal ...

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

Suck it up buttercups

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Shower time could be interesting tho ...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Are we not all equal ..."

Are all men exactly the same? Johnny Wilkinson and Martin Johnson played in the same team, but equal? Nope.

We are not all equal (in terms of physiology), no.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player."

Do not see this man as trans more a women hater looking to hurt people..

Will damage trans people guaranteed.

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Which trials ..

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By *oveallMan
over a year ago

kells

Spelling wrong i know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player.

Do not see this man as trans more a women hater looking to hurt people..

Will damage trans people guaranteed. "

Does it matter to you if women are damaged?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player.

Do not see this man as trans more a women hater looking to hurt people..

Will damage trans people guaranteed.

Does it matter to you if women are damaged? "

It is possible to be concerned for both.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Contact sports is a whole other monster compare to things like track and field and none contact sports.

We can go back and forth on performance of faster, stronger athletic etc etc but when it comes to something like this where potential injury to another player/competitor it needs to be much more definitive ruling.

The problem is maybe some trans women in the sport are much closer to size and mass to what their team mates and competition are while others (this case prime example) are simply a huge mass to contend with.

Its not just the size. Males have more muscle density. Has one of the woman injured said.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said the player. “There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.” "

I played at a good level and as a team we would train to hurt witch made you damage muscle so it would grow back bigger and stronger. My playing waight was 22 stone and was trained to hit rugby is like boxing its got better with head injury but its a brutal sport you can't put a trans into a female team its just not right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sorry if I'm showing ignorance here but if they identify as non-binary, why are they allowed to compete in the women's game and not just stay in the men's game if they aren't taking anything to suppress testosterone?

Political correctness, culture wars. Militant trans right groups that are pushing for equality, but ignoring the physiological differences in the sexes and that male to female trans competing in female compition is not equality.

But non-binary is not the same as being transgender, is it? My understanding is that non-binary people do not identify as a binary gender (male or female). Transgender people feel they were assigned the wrong gender and wish to live as the opposite gender, e.g. male to female or vice versa, but they do identify with one of the binary options. "

Yes, sorry in this case it was a non-binary and not a trans. But even the transgender athletes no longer need to have testosterone levels decreased for Olympics.

The rule was flawed anyway, By adulthood the physiological advantages have already been well developed. No amount of hormone therapy can reverse those advantages.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Time for the rest of the team/s to refuse to play. Its such an entitled attitude by some trans athletes and sadly its the male entitlement attitude that comes through in these cases.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Time for the rest of the team/s to refuse to play. Its such an entitled attitude by some trans athletes and sadly its the male entitlement attitude that comes through in these cases."

It is a slippery path. At elite level if i had a chance to earn a good living by identifying as non binary and playing womens professional sport... Its tempting.

At community level, its very different. I cant imagine how the rugby volunteers who run the game would respond to the similar circumstance... Is it enough that they just declare themselves non binary and wish to play with the girls? How do the other girls react?

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By *un Rugby playerMan
over a year ago

near hatfield

This can’t work - rugby is such a physical game and has to be played under sticked rules ( or laws ) . A pro rugby player can’t play down the divisions as a 16 year old can’t play senior rugby for the same reasons . Not even a discussion point a man can’t play in the female game . Unlike many other sports rugby HAS to stick to the very sticked rules .

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester


"It's a very difficult subject and every point of view has the the potential to offend some.

Ultimately, Safety of players should be the number one factor in every sport.

Cal"

And therein lies the problem. Someone may be offended. So what? Let whomever BE offended. Transwomen should not compete against real (deliberate use of word) women.

Non transphobic/non homophobic Frank

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Trudeau’s Canada.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"A transgender woman rugby player in Canada who identifies as non-binary was named 'men’s hardest hitter' just last year according to her former team's Facebook page.

This transgender player, now known as Ash is said to have registered as a non-binary person who identifies as female and weighs up to 220 pounds.

“I had never been hit like that before, even at the competitive women’s level,” said a player who faced Davis.

“There was so much more brute force. There are women who are bigger than him, but no girl hits like that. This is a strong human.”

Diana Murphy, a friend of some of the players who recently faced Ash, tweeted: “Three women’s rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a transwoman” and that she feels “Trans have no place in women’s sports.”

Rugby Canada said there were no illegal hits, but sources who watched the game told the Toronto Sun Ash received a yellow card from the referee for a hit to the head of one female player.

Do not see this man as trans more a women hater looking to hurt people..

Will damage trans people guaranteed.

Does it matter to you if women are damaged? "
In these situations people tend to forget that women's divisions in sport were created for a reason, because men are athletically superior across the board in most sports. Endurance sports are about the only one I can think of that women seem to outshine the men.

High school age males regularly beat world records set by women in athletics.

It's simply not fair for anyone who has gone through puberty as a male and gotten that influx of testosterone and all the benefits that come with it, to be competing with biological females in any sport that involves strength/explosiveness. There's a reason testis banned as a PED for both men and women.

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