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"WlVenture capitalism is what killed a lot of those pubs! Check your notes on which cunting PM brought that in!!!" Right on all counts  | |||
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"WlVenture capitalism is what killed a lot of those pubs! Check your notes on which cunting PM brought that in!!! Right on all counts "Seriously.... | |||
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"WlVenture capitalism is what killed a lot of those pubs! Check your notes on which cunting PM brought that in!!! Right on all counts
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. " Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x | |||
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"I just think pub culture has changed, the old man's local died off because better options came alone and millennials grew up and lost that drinking culture. I remember my Mum and Dad having it as their weekly or mid week social event, it was a change from sitting in and watching corrie or eastenders. Now we have entertainment in the palm of our hands, we would rather go and drink at a bar with good food, live music, quirky drinks or atmosphere. I am from York and it has over 365 bars and pubs. The reason is they all adapted to tourism, we have Gin bars, themed speakeasys, bars with bowling and botanical drinks. Honestly if I want a pint I buy a pint, I've never gone, I would love a bevvy but I am sticking with water because of bloody taxes. " Great input thank you on the day they increased alcohol tax at the Great British beer fest x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x" I'm sure many people value their religious community more than most people value pubs. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x" Heavens above, not mosques! Deary me. I've lived in various communities over the course of my life. Not once have I felt the need for a pub. We lived in our previous house for 14yrs and don't recall ever going into a pub in that area. Some of the coffee places, yes. We've been here since Feb this year and again, a pub free existence. I'd rather have more shops that I can get into please. And I grew up (primary school) in a community with greater focus on the mosque than the pub. Guess what? It was a normal, ordinary community. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x I'm sure many people value their religious community more than most people value pubs." Even God enjoyed a glass of wine x a church, music, alcohol, community, pub, school, doctors, a community lost x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques" And boom goes the dynamite... | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Heavens above, not mosques! Deary me. I've lived in various communities over the course of my life. Not once have I felt the need for a pub. We lived in our previous house for 14yrs and don't recall ever going into a pub in that area. Some of the coffee places, yes. We've been here since Feb this year and again, a pub free existence. I'd rather have more shops that I can get into please. And I grew up (primary school) in a community with greater focus on the mosque than the pub. Guess what? It was a normal, ordinary community. " And that is your opinion. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x I'm sure many people value their religious community more than most people value pubs. Even God enjoyed a glass of wine x a church, music, alcohol, community, pub, school, doctors, a community lost x" Where in the Bible did God go to the pub, doctors or church? | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Heavens above, not mosques! Deary me. I've lived in various communities over the course of my life. Not once have I felt the need for a pub. We lived in our previous house for 14yrs and don't recall ever going into a pub in that area. Some of the coffee places, yes. We've been here since Feb this year and again, a pub free existence. I'd rather have more shops that I can get into please. And I grew up (primary school) in a community with greater focus on the mosque than the pub. Guess what? It was a normal, ordinary community. And that is your opinion." Actually not an opinion. The fact is neither of us set foot in a pub across 14yr and neither have we since arriving here. Mr KC did go to pubs at our address prior but that was as a student and was in a university city centre. It was certainly not the centre of a specific community. And my childhood neighbourhood was indeed very ordinary and normal, like any other British area. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x I'm sure many people value their religious community more than most people value pubs. Even God enjoyed a glass of wine x a church, music, alcohol, community, pub, school, doctors, a community lost x" Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water 
I'm afraid I value the mosque much more than the pub. Mosques bring communities together, encourage charitable work, etc.
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x" Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. | |||
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"I'm quite engaged in my community and I, too, have a pub free existence. To me community means knowing the people around you and working towards a common good. " I live in a village we still have the Werrington carnival, the community church where do we all gather at the pub or the tea room across the road which becomes a speak easy at night/weekends. It's all about choice x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. " The smoking ban had a big effect,we lost three pubs,not because of it entirely but as a contributing factor.Some smokers stopped going out.Some non smokers stopped coming because the smokers were outside socialising,inside was dead.No new non smoking customers arrived. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub." Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub." Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community." My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. " How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker." Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque  | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference." Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker." You know a chest xray costs a GP or NHS unit £80, the most simple blood test costs £25. You know how many people have them everyday? A Phlebotomist takes 100-150 blood samples each day, most units have 3-6 Phlebotomists, all taking bloods. A radiographer takes around 80 chest xrays a day. And when are you ever given a bill? Never. Because taxes pay for them. The more people drinking and smoking equals more patients which equals more blood tests which equal more taxes. | |||
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"WTF does a mosque have to do with it, what Red Lion pub now has a minaret? Honestly if a buildings selling point is the communal spreading or harmful carcinogenics and the ability to get rat arsed I am glad they are closing. Also taxes are used to fund schools, hospitals, roads, libraries. They aren't these demonic things, a 10% rise in alcohol tax probably funded a Hepatology unit at your local hospital to pay for the operations and medicine linked to liver disease." You may question the chemists that have brought the GPs and turned them in to drug pushers and told us alcohol was bad x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house." Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque "If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. You know a chest xray costs a GP or NHS unit £80, the most simple blood test costs £25. You know how many people have them everyday? A Phlebotomist takes 100-150 blood samples each day, most units have 3-6 Phlebotomists, all taking bloods. A radiographer takes around 80 chest xrays a day. And when are you ever given a bill? Never. Because taxes pay for them. The more people drinking and smoking equals more patients which equals more blood tests which equal more taxes. " Taxes also pay to stitch up the idiots who fight outside pubs late at night Signed, I overlook a pub when I'm trying to sleep  | |||
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"WTF does a mosque have to do with it, what Red Lion pub now has a minaret? Honestly if a buildings selling point is the communal spreading or harmful carcinogenics and the ability to get rat arsed I am glad they are closing. Also taxes are used to fund schools, hospitals, roads, libraries. They aren't these demonic things, a 10% rise in alcohol tax probably funded a Hepatology unit at your local hospital to pay for the operations and medicine linked to liver disease. You may question the chemists that have brought the GPs and turned them in to drug pushers and told us alcohol was bad x" Alcohol definitely isn't healthy. Like many noxious substances, it can be tolerated at low doses. But in the quantities many people consume it, it's definitely unhealthy. That's well accepted. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that." Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community"The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries. She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more." A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community"FYI mosqueology isn't a word. Islamology is the study of how people relate to Islam. Perhaps if Buxton had more mosques and less pubs you would know that.. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica?" Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. | |||
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So you are anti pub because one disturbs you.Truth revealed."No. I just think that relying on a business to provide community is destined to fail. That over consumption of alcohol is dangerous. That smoking indoors in public is anti social. I prefer mosques. | |||
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If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
FYI mosqueology isn't a word. Islamology is the study of how people relate to Islam. Perhaps if Buxton had more mosques and less pubs you would know that.."I do know that mosqueology isn't a word thank you,seems you don't know what sarcasm is,and it's fewer pubs not less. | |||
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"Work for the NHS and you realise free healthcare costs a shit ton and it has to come from somewhere. It costs £184m to fund the NHS each day. On everage each person costs the NHS £4000 a year. " My friends dog 11 years old who has cancer. For a simple scan £4000, for an operation it £10000. How is that fair x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble." People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well "A contributing factor x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. You know a chest xray costs a GP or NHS unit £80, the most simple blood test costs £25. You know how many people have them everyday? A Phlebotomist takes 100-150 blood samples each day, most units have 3-6 Phlebotomists, all taking bloods. A radiographer takes around 80 chest xrays a day. And when are you ever given a bill? Never. Because taxes pay for them. The more people drinking and smoking equals more patients which equals more blood tests which equal more taxes. Taxes also pay to stitch up the idiots who fight outside pubs late at night Signed, I overlook a pub when I'm trying to sleep
So you are anti pub because one disturbs you.Truth revealed.
No. I just think that relying on a business to provide community is destined to fail. That over consumption of alcohol is dangerous. That smoking indoors in public is anti social.
I prefer mosques."Pubs have provided community for centuries and continue to do so in many places.Hardly failure.I think most adults know over consumption is dangerous.we don't need patronising lectures on the subject. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
FYI mosqueology isn't a word. Islamology is the study of how people relate to Islam. Perhaps if Buxton had more mosques and less pubs you would know that..
I do know that mosqueology isn't a word thank you,seems you don't know what sarcasm is,and it's fewer pubs not less."I often go to the 10 Items or less, counter rather than the 10 items or fewer counter. I understand that fewer is a numerical drop, however less is also acceptable as the rule has changed as language has developed | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well
A contributing factor x"But mosques do the work needed to bring community together! They go out of their way to do so. Why is charitable work and outreach, plus a free gathering place once a week, not a benefit to the community? That's community in action | |||
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"Work for the NHS and you realise free healthcare costs a shit ton and it has to come from somewhere. It costs £184m to fund the NHS each day. On everage each person costs the NHS £4000 a year. My friends dog 11 years old who has cancer. For a simple scan £4000, for an operation it £10000. How is that fair x" That's what private healthcare would cost. My future hysterectomy will cost me nothing on the day but if I went private, I could expect to pay £7000-8000. I might ask a vet to do it actually, it'd be much cheaper. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. You know a chest xray costs a GP or NHS unit £80, the most simple blood test costs £25. You know how many people have them everyday? A Phlebotomist takes 100-150 blood samples each day, most units have 3-6 Phlebotomists, all taking bloods. A radiographer takes around 80 chest xrays a day. And when are you ever given a bill? Never. Because taxes pay for them. The more people drinking and smoking equals more patients which equals more blood tests which equal more taxes. Taxes also pay to stitch up the idiots who fight outside pubs late at night Signed, I overlook a pub when I'm trying to sleep
So you are anti pub because one disturbs you.Truth revealed.
No. I just think that relying on a business to provide community is destined to fail. That over consumption of alcohol is dangerous. That smoking indoors in public is anti social.
I prefer mosques.
Pubs have provided community for centuries and continue to do so in many places.Hardly failure.I think most adults know over consumption is dangerous.we don't need patronising lectures on the subject."I apologise if you think I was lecturing you on the topic. I was not. I just see pubs as another institution that has had its time and is not to be mourned. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. You know a chest xray costs a GP or NHS unit £80, the most simple blood test costs £25. You know how many people have them everyday? A Phlebotomist takes 100-150 blood samples each day, most units have 3-6 Phlebotomists, all taking bloods. A radiographer takes around 80 chest xrays a day. And when are you ever given a bill? Never. Because taxes pay for them. The more people drinking and smoking equals more patients which equals more blood tests which equal more taxes. Taxes also pay to stitch up the idiots who fight outside pubs late at night Signed, I overlook a pub when I'm trying to sleep
So you are anti pub because one disturbs you.Truth revealed.
No. I just think that relying on a business to provide community is destined to fail. That over consumption of alcohol is dangerous. That smoking indoors in public is anti social.
I prefer mosques.
Pubs have provided community for centuries and continue to do so in many places.Hardly failure.I think most adults know over consumption is dangerous.we don't need patronising lectures on the subject."The response was to the 'How is it a burden on the NHS' comment. You suggested £1 in tax would be suitable for £2 treatment. I was simply advising that £1 in tax is like throwing a sausage down an alleyway. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done "Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that."So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities? I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that."Not everywhere has pubs now either lol | |||
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"Just watched GB news not long ago they were mentioning so many closed in the last 6 months and property developers changing then to apartments... " We do need more housing and better to convert existing buildings rather than build on the green belt. Unfortunately not enough of the development will be affordable. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. You know a chest xray costs a GP or NHS unit £80, the most simple blood test costs £25. You know how many people have them everyday? A Phlebotomist takes 100-150 blood samples each day, most units have 3-6 Phlebotomists, all taking bloods. A radiographer takes around 80 chest xrays a day. And when are you ever given a bill? Never. Because taxes pay for them. The more people drinking and smoking equals more patients which equals more blood tests which equal more taxes. Taxes also pay to stitch up the idiots who fight outside pubs late at night Signed, I overlook a pub when I'm trying to sleep
So you are anti pub because one disturbs you.Truth revealed.
No. I just think that relying on a business to provide community is destined to fail. That over consumption of alcohol is dangerous. That smoking indoors in public is anti social.
I prefer mosques.
Pubs have provided community for centuries and continue to do so in many places.Hardly failure.I think most adults know over consumption is dangerous.we don't need patronising lectures on the subject.
The response was to the 'How is it a burden on the NHS' comment. You suggested £1 in tax would be suitable for £2 treatment. I was simply advising that £1 in tax is like throwing a sausage down an alleyway. "I said £1 of treatment,the smoker paid £3 in tax.If that money isn't making it to the frontline that's the fault of the Treasury. | |||
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If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well
A contributing factor x
But mosques do the work needed to bring community together! They go out of their way to do so.
Why is charitable work and outreach, plus a free gathering place once a week, not a benefit to the community? That's community in action "I dare you to look a non for profit organisations and who are the top earners in fact I double dare you x | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well
A contributing factor x
But mosques do the work needed to bring community together! They go out of their way to do so.
Why is charitable work and outreach, plus a free gathering place once a week, not a benefit to the community? That's community in action
I dare you to look a non for profit organisations and who are the top earners in fact I double dare you x"What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? During lockdown the local mosque looked out for the health of the local community by sending vitamins to the charity I volunteer with. They got nothing from it other than thanks. That's community mindedness. My local mosque does it all the time in all sorts of ways. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well
A contributing factor x
But mosques do the work needed to bring community together! They go out of their way to do so.
Why is charitable work and outreach, plus a free gathering place once a week, not a benefit to the community? That's community in action
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help "Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction. | |||
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"And whatever the problem is, let me tell you, it ain’t mosques for goodness sake" It's an incredibly odd thing to pick on. Mosques do a hell of a lot of community work. Pubs are just a venue. There's *work* to do to support people in community. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Hell yes. Smoking and drinking - burden on the NHS. Mosques often do so much good locally. One near me organised vitamin D for elderly people during lockdown. How are smoking and drinking a burden on the NHS? Tax on tobacco tax on alcohol.for every £1 it costs the NHS to treat a smoker,that smoker has paid £3 in tax,and before the usual suspects make 2+2 into 9 I am not a smoker. Staff remain a finite resource, and treatment doesn't happen without them. We should all exercise personal responsibility and be more like the people in the mosque
If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well
A contributing factor x
But mosques do the work needed to bring community together! They go out of their way to do so.
Why is charitable work and outreach, plus a free gathering place once a week, not a benefit to the community? That's community in action
I dare you to look a non for profit organisations and who are the top earners in fact I double dare you x
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction."Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me. I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people. If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help. | |||
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If you want to preach mosqueology start a thread on the subject,this is about pubs closing and the effect on the community
The OP bemoans loss of community and specifically mentioned mosques replacing breweries.
She should turn that smile upside down. Mosques are excellent at building community for people of all ages, and do excellent work outside their attendees as well
A contributing factor x
But mosques do the work needed to bring community together! They go out of their way to do so.
Why is charitable work and outreach, plus a free gathering place once a week, not a benefit to the community? That's community in action
I dare you to look a non for profit organisations and who are the top earners in fact I double dare you x
SAVE THE CHILDREN INTERNATIONAL £988,001,224
THE ARTS COUNCIL OF ENGLAND £941,845,043
THE BRITISH COUNCIL £896,655,974
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help."In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm. | |||
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"I'm so god damn confused right now! I'm off to the pub... Oh wait... There might be a mosque nearby where you can get a nice cup of tea. " The one near me will give it to you for free. Community minded and all of that. | |||
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"I'm so god damn confused right now! I'm off to the pub... Oh wait... " Me too what did I start. Off for a cheeky smoke  and bed x | |||
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"Just to add- 27500 pubs in the UK and less than 1500 mosques. Non of them are converted pubs. " Actually, there are some mosques in former pubs https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20584103.plan-turn-pub-community-centre-mosque-approved/ | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help.
In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm."Ok. If your argument is that you need a building with appropriate space, ok, I'll agree. If you say it has to be a pub and (going back to your earlier complaint) smoking should be allowed inside, that's fucking ridiculous. (Although to facilitate community gathering, in cities many people use these things called cars? Might that help communities pool resources and do community things without relying on the profit motives of a struggling business model?) | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help.
In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm.
Ok. If your argument is that you need a building with appropriate space, ok, I'll agree.
If you say it has to be a pub and (going back to your earlier complaint) smoking should be allowed inside, that's fucking ridiculous.
(Although to facilitate community gathering, in cities many people use these things called cars? Might that help communities pool resources and do community things without relying on the profit motives of a struggling business model?)"I never said smoking should be allowed indoors,I never complained about the smoking ban.I know for a fact it had an effect,from talking to the non smokers and smokers at the local.Again you are talking as if everywhere is a city or the same as a city.What use is a car if there is nowhere to go to? Not everyone has a car or can drive,especially the elderly.Where you are there are probably buses every 5 minutes,some places don't see a bus for 5 hours. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help.
In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm.
Ok. If your argument is that you need a building with appropriate space, ok, I'll agree.
If you say it has to be a pub and (going back to your earlier complaint) smoking should be allowed inside, that's fucking ridiculous.
(Although to facilitate community gathering, in cities many people use these things called cars? Might that help communities pool resources and do community things without relying on the profit motives of a struggling business model?)
I never said smoking should be allowed indoors,I never complained about the smoking ban.I know for a fact it had an effect,from talking to the non smokers and smokers at the local.Again you are talking as if everywhere is a city or the same as a city.What use is a car if there is nowhere to go to? Not everyone has a car or can drive,especially the elderly.Where you are there are probably buses every 5 minutes,some places don't see a bus for 5 hours."The charity I'm a part of has people who *pick up* the elderly and take them to the centre. I appreciate that it might be further away in a small community, communities could even join forces. But my charity doesn't put anyone on the bus (that's not safe), we chauffer them. With... Volunteers. And hang on. If the elderly rely on the pub in a small community and they don't drive... I hope they live in walking distance? You know walking distance is much less once you reach a certain age, right? Maybe someone should help them. (and if they do, that's community... Pub not required) | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help.
In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm.
Ok. If your argument is that you need a building with appropriate space, ok, I'll agree.
If you say it has to be a pub and (going back to your earlier complaint) smoking should be allowed inside, that's fucking ridiculous.
(Although to facilitate community gathering, in cities many people use these things called cars? Might that help communities pool resources and do community things without relying on the profit motives of a struggling business model?)
I never said smoking should be allowed indoors,I never complained about the smoking ban.I know for a fact it had an effect,from talking to the non smokers and smokers at the local.Again you are talking as if everywhere is a city or the same as a city.What use is a car if there is nowhere to go to? Not everyone has a car or can drive,especially the elderly.Where you are there are probably buses every 5 minutes,some places don't see a bus for 5 hours.
The charity I'm a part of has people who *pick up* the elderly and take them to the centre. I appreciate that it might be further away in a small community, communities could even join forces. But my charity doesn't put anyone on the bus (that's not safe), we chauffer them. With... Volunteers.
And hang on. If the elderly rely on the pub in a small community and they don't drive... I hope they live in walking distance? You know walking distance is much less once you reach a certain age, right? Maybe someone should help them. (and if they do, that's community... Pub not required)"Things tend to be in walking distance in a small community,the clue is in the word "small".Not everywhere has all the volunteers and chauffeurs you have.To say a pub is not required,a resource or a valuable part of a small community is absolute pig ignorance. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help.
In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm.
Ok. If your argument is that you need a building with appropriate space, ok, I'll agree.
If you say it has to be a pub and (going back to your earlier complaint) smoking should be allowed inside, that's fucking ridiculous.
(Although to facilitate community gathering, in cities many people use these things called cars? Might that help communities pool resources and do community things without relying on the profit motives of a struggling business model?)
I never said smoking should be allowed indoors,I never complained about the smoking ban.I know for a fact it had an effect,from talking to the non smokers and smokers at the local.Again you are talking as if everywhere is a city or the same as a city.What use is a car if there is nowhere to go to? Not everyone has a car or can drive,especially the elderly.Where you are there are probably buses every 5 minutes,some places don't see a bus for 5 hours.
The charity I'm a part of has people who *pick up* the elderly and take them to the centre. I appreciate that it might be further away in a small community, communities could even join forces. But my charity doesn't put anyone on the bus (that's not safe), we chauffer them. With... Volunteers.
And hang on. If the elderly rely on the pub in a small community and they don't drive... I hope they live in walking distance? You know walking distance is much less once you reach a certain age, right? Maybe someone should help them. (and if they do, that's community... Pub not required)
Things tend to be in walking distance in a small community,the clue is in the word "small".Not everywhere has all the volunteers and chauffeurs you have.To say a pub is not required,a resource or a valuable part of a small community is absolute pig ignorance."Some of the people I've served have been unable to walk to their front gate without assistance. No pub would be within walking distance for them. I'm sorry if your area doesn't have people who have stepped up to help others. That's unfortunate. Maybe you can be the change your area needs? Your closest mosque might provide you with ideas on how to do so. The idea that a pub is necessary in any size community is a complete failure of imagination. The fact that it's come to it is also a failure of government and other institutions, and I hope your situation improves. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done
Once again you fail to understand that not everywhere has churches open or community transport.Get out of your bubble you might realise that.
So you see, the way that it happened in my community was people. Community minded people. Getting together and making it happen. With the spaces they do have and the cars that people already own. I thought people owned more cars outside of cities?
I'm sorry if you don't have any community minded people where you are though. That must be difficult. I'm not sure how a pub would help
Because you have no idea of what a pub can provide for a small community It's not about getting pissed.Some pubs took in the Post Office to save it from closure,others incorporated a village shop,some open as a cafe/tearoom,others have an alternative to a conventional library.For those struggling with heating bills for example,sitting in a pub for the afternoon or evening is a big financial help,not to mention the benefit of social interaction.
Ok. You're basically describing a charity near me.
I see no reason why "pub" is essential to this. Just community minded businesses or people.
If there aren't any community minded people, a million pubs won't help.
In some small communities the pub is the only ******* building left that is suitable,you'd know that if you got out of your concrete jungle for a day and stopped judging and imagining the rest of the world was the same as your microcosm.
Ok. If your argument is that you need a building with appropriate space, ok, I'll agree.
If you say it has to be a pub and (going back to your earlier complaint) smoking should be allowed inside, that's fucking ridiculous.
(Although to facilitate community gathering, in cities many people use these things called cars? Might that help communities pool resources and do community things without relying on the profit motives of a struggling business model?)
I never said smoking should be allowed indoors,I never complained about the smoking ban.I know for a fact it had an effect,from talking to the non smokers and smokers at the local.Again you are talking as if everywhere is a city or the same as a city.What use is a car if there is nowhere to go to? Not everyone has a car or can drive,especially the elderly.Where you are there are probably buses every 5 minutes,some places don't see a bus for 5 hours.
The charity I'm a part of has people who *pick up* the elderly and take them to the centre. I appreciate that it might be further away in a small community, communities could even join forces. But my charity doesn't put anyone on the bus (that's not safe), we chauffer them. With... Volunteers.
And hang on. If the elderly rely on the pub in a small community and they don't drive... I hope they live in walking distance? You know walking distance is much less once you reach a certain age, right? Maybe someone should help them. (and if they do, that's community... Pub not required)
Things tend to be in walking distance in a small community,the clue is in the word "small".Not everywhere has all the volunteers and chauffeurs you have.To say a pub is not required,a resource or a valuable part of a small community is absolute pig ignorance.
Some of the people I've served have been unable to walk to their front gate without assistance. No pub would be within walking distance for them.
I'm sorry if your area doesn't have people who have stepped up to help others. That's unfortunate. Maybe you can be the change your area needs? Your closest mosque might provide you with ideas on how to do so.
The idea that a pub is necessary in any size community is a complete failure of imagination. The fact that it's come to it is also a failure of government and other institutions, and I hope your situation improves."Your fanaticism has totally blinded you to reality.Completely dismissing a valuable resource (pub) is a failure of you're imagination.Its clear you are in an entrenched anti pub mindset,unwilling and unable to see or accept what they provide for small communities.You concentrate on your little microcosm,you clearly can't see beyond it. | |||
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They can/will do it at home instead with all the cheap alcohol from the supermarkets."Another pub killer.£1 a pint from Morrisons. | |||
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" Your fanaticism has totally blinded you to reality.Completely dismissing a valuable resource (pub) is a failure of you're imagination.Its clear you are in an entrenched anti pub mindset,unwilling and unable to see or accept what they provide for small communities.You concentrate on your little microcosm,you clearly can't see beyond it." Ok. You have a nice night now. I'll keep focussing on building community with action and spirit, not a business model | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water" Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. | |||
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" Your fanaticism has totally blinded you to reality.Completely dismissing a valuable resource (pub) is a failure of you're imagination.Its clear you are in an entrenched anti pub mindset,unwilling and unable to see or accept what they provide for small communities.You concentrate on your little microcosm,you clearly can't see beyond it. Ok. You have a nice night now. I'll keep focussing on building community with action and spirit, not a business model "Are you a bot x | |||
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" Your fanaticism has totally blinded you to reality.Completely dismissing a valuable resource (pub) is a failure of you're imagination.Its clear you are in an entrenched anti pub mindset,unwilling and unable to see or accept what they provide for small communities.You concentrate on your little microcosm,you clearly can't see beyond it. Ok. You have a nice night now. I'll keep focussing on building community with action and spirit, not a business model "You just won't accept it that a local is not all about a business model.Never mind,you play with the mosque.At least you will be out of our way. | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once." Wine "as described". Not "is described" | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. Wine "as described". Not "is described"" That's a completely irrelevant response. Feel free to provide one text if I am wrong. | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. Wine "as described". Not "is described" That's a completely irrelevant response. Feel free to provide one text if I am wrong. " Beer was originally brewed because the water was not clean enough. | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. Wine "as described". Not "is described" That's a completely irrelevant response. Feel free to provide one text if I am wrong. Beer was originally brewed because the water was not clean enough." Same as our waterways a sewerage and drains x | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. Wine "as described". Not "is described" That's a completely irrelevant response. Feel free to provide one text if I am wrong. Beer was originally brewed because the water was not clean enough." Correct. | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. Wine "as described". Not "is described" That's a completely irrelevant response. Feel free to provide one text if I am wrong. " Is it irrelevant? I'm pointing out the historical use of alcohol, which is different to our own. Try "The Conflicted History of Alcohol in Western Civilization" on the site Scientific American from 2015. You say "wine is not described as" as though you were refuting my statement. I didn't say it was. I doubt the writers had any need to clarify their ordinary practices when trying to describe the history of the divine. | |||
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"Plenty of communities all over the world, all over the god damn world, that do perfectly fine without a pub. And it's a wonderful thing to see. " And that's fine, but it's not our culture. Pubs, especially in small towns and villages are assets for the community. | |||
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"Beer was originally brewed because the water was not clean enough." But that's not the 'biblical' reason. (Also, the statement was about wine.) I suspext that the reason for beer and wine was related to intoxication - which is the biblical reason - but it's possible that the reap reason back then was what you assert. But that's not what the Bible says. | |||
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"Wine as described in the Bible was partly a way to decontaminate water Wine is not once described in the Bible as a way to decontaminate water. Get merry? Sure! Decontaminate water? Not even once. Wine "as described". Not "is described" That's a completely irrelevant response. Feel free to provide one text if I am wrong. Is it irrelevant?" Yes, because I was referring to the Biblical reference. | |||
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"Plenty of communities all over the world, all over the god damn world, that do perfectly fine without a pub. And it's a wonderful thing to see. And that's fine, but it's not our culture. Pubs, especially in small towns and villages are assets for the community. " Spot on.When you live in such places you know.When you don't.... | |||
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"Beer was originally brewed because the water was not clean enough. But that's not the 'biblical' reason. (Also, the statement was about wine.) I suspext that the reason for beer and wine was related to intoxication - which is the biblical reason - but it's possible that the reap reason back then was what you assert. But that's not what the Bible says." I never said the Bible *said* that. I was making an historical statement. That wine - along with other alcohol - helped with impure water. Hence why the difference between me saying "as" and you saying "is" was important. | |||
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"Hence why the difference between me saying "as" and you saying "is" was important." Thanks for your replies. I think I am closer to understanding what you are saying. I think I was side-tracked by your use of the phrase, 'as used in the Bible.' Because that is not at all how alcohol is described in the Bible. | |||
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"I was making an historical statement. That wine - along with other alcohol - helped with impure water. Hence why the difference between me saying "as" and you saying "is" was important." I think you're right. God, that hurts to admit!  | |||
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"Hence why the difference between me saying "as" and you saying "is" was important. Thanks for your replies. I think I am closer to understanding what you are saying. I think I was side-tracked by your use of the phrase, 'as used in the Bible.' Because that is not at all how alcohol is described in the Bible. " The historical use of alcohol involved making water safer to drink. That's all I was getting at
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"I was making an historical statement. That wine - along with other alcohol - helped with impure water. Hence why the difference between me saying "as" and you saying "is" was important. I think you're right. God, that hurts to admit! "Lol, no worries | |||
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"(I'm not an expert on this specific culture, but in other cultures in a similar time period, wine was watered down as a rule)" The same is true in biblical times. That's why people who get overexcited by e.g. 7-day weddings might be misguided. Either way, I don't like being wrong and have thus not enjoyed this interaction. | |||
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"And whatever the problem is, let me tell you, it ain’t mosques for goodness sake It's an incredibly odd thing to pick on. Mosques do a hell of a lot of community work. Pubs are just a venue. There's *work* to do to support people in community." It was just a sneaky bit of islamaphobia. | |||
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"It's just all gone commercialised " Over 150 weatherspoons are due to close just been announced x | |||
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"Now the debate is back to pub closures and not places of worship….. The boss of Spoons has narrated the choice of punters to stay at home and drink cheaper supermarket supplied beer as the main reason for closures! It’s exactly this! The breweries, who owned most of the pubs back in their halcyon days, sold their souls to the devil when they started supplying Tesco et al. with floor standing pallets (TRDU’s in the trade) for shoppers to fill their trolleys with! Once the supermarkets started selling booze as a loss leader, which a lot of them still do, and on promotions “two for £20” etc then pubs were doomed! It’s naff all to do with smoking or landlords not able to run boozers effectively! Supermarkets gave drinkers a cheaper choice and they’ve voted with their feet; straight up and down commercial decision by consumers! Pubs as a concept are dead men walking unless they offer something different to justify the cost difference to customers!" Back to my original statement after a 20 year battle my local the ploughman has lost its battle with tesco it will be turned into a car park. | |||
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"Now the debate is back to pub closures and not places of worship….. The boss of Spoons has narrated the choice of punters to stay at home and drink cheaper supermarket supplied beer as the main reason for closures! It’s exactly this! The breweries, who owned most of the pubs back in their halcyon days, sold their souls to the devil when they started supplying Tesco et al. with floor standing pallets (TRDU’s in the trade) for shoppers to fill their trolleys with! Once the supermarkets started selling booze as a loss leader, which a lot of them still do, and on promotions “two for £20” etc then pubs were doomed! It’s naff all to do with smoking or landlords not able to run boozers effectively! Supermarkets gave drinkers a cheaper choice and they’ve voted with their feet; straight up and down commercial decision by consumers! Pubs as a concept are dead men walking unless they offer something different to justify the cost difference to customers! Back to my original statement after a 20 year battle my local the ploughman has lost its battle with tesco it will be turned into a car park." And who owns tesco and who owns asda x | |||
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"Well this thread has been more entertaining during an insomnic moment than watching The House of Commons on good day. Now having put a smile on the faces of a ladies whose partners joined alcohols anonymous, became familiar with their group motto. GOD grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. If you ever go into someones house and see that on a plaque, the chances are at least one or other is a fully fledged, 24 carat piss tank. Having bought, and subsequently dispossessed of two closed pubs, demolished one to put a supermarket on the site, and converted the other into two flats and a tea room on the ground floor because, I accepted the things that I couldn't change, and realised it was a waste of time time and money reopening them as pubs, changed the things I could, and got the planning consents for alternative projects, and had the wisdom to know it was a smart move. What emerged out of these projects was that all pubs have what is known as A3 Planning consent, which basically means that you can retail virtually anything within the boundary of the existing building without obtaining change of use for planning. As the man pointed out, people voted with their feet and bought their booze at Tesco and Asda at knock down prices. My pub licences also allowed me to sell alcohol for consumption off the premises. This being the case, it somewhat surprises me that brewery chains, supermarket chains and enterprising landlords have not sought to find alternative, profitable use for the floor space if there is insufficient footfall to support the pub on wet sales alone, whilst retaining enough space for bar and entertainment area for those who wanted it, effectively a mini market that's doubles up as a social hub. " I love this x | |||
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"Now the debate is back to pub closures and not places of worship….. The boss of Spoons has narrated the choice of punters to stay at home and drink cheaper supermarket supplied beer as the main reason for closures! It’s exactly this! The breweries, who owned most of the pubs back in their halcyon days, sold their souls to the devil when they started supplying Tesco et al. with floor standing pallets (TRDU’s in the trade) for shoppers to fill their trolleys with! Once the supermarkets started selling booze as a loss leader, which a lot of them still do, and on promotions “two for £20” etc then pubs were doomed! It’s naff all to do with smoking or landlords not able to run boozers effectively! Supermarkets gave drinkers a cheaper choice and they’ve voted with their feet; straight up and down commercial decision by consumers! Pubs as a concept are dead men walking unless they offer something different to justify the cost difference to customers!" 50 years ago buying a pint in a pub was cheap in relation to the cost of living back then and there was no option to buy a pint of supermarket beer for approximately a quarter to one third of the price of the pub pint. Then along came the "Beer Orders" act of Parliament in 1989 which dealt a severe blow to the number of pubs able to operate cheaply as part of a brewery tied estate and later on the smoking ban saw more pubs struggling. Maybe government needs to trial reducing duty on pub beer and increasing it for supermarket beer to narrow the cost difference between both? | |||
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As a random aside, I live in Malaysia most of the year, booze is available here but it’s typically sold at circa four times the price of equivalent in UK retail and it’s only allowed to be sold within a glass cube inside the main supermarkets!
Us expats still queue up most nights and for certain on Friday/Saturday to pay over the odds for a decent bottle of wine or four pack of Tiger beer that’s brewed down the road!
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. " I managed a company for 22 years that supplied the licensed trade. Within a year of the smoking ban being introduced our turnover was down 70 percent and we went from having 10 employees to only 2. We had to close in 2013 as a direct result. By that time 20 percent of our customers had also closed. I can confirm though that a large percentage of pubs have had to close due to poor management and greedy publicans with a short term get rich quick attitude. | |||
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x" It's not the smoking ban that is killing pubs, it is cheap supermarket drinks pricing. Cal | |||
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"Now the debate is back to pub closures and not places of worship….. The boss of Spoons has narrated the choice of punters to stay at home and drink cheaper supermarket supplied beer as the main reason for closures! It’s exactly this! The breweries, who owned most of the pubs back in their halcyon days, sold their souls to the devil when they started supplying Tesco et al. with floor standing pallets (TRDU’s in the trade) for shoppers to fill their trolleys with! Once the supermarkets started selling booze as a loss leader, which a lot of them still do, and on promotions “two for £20” etc then pubs were doomed! It’s naff all to do with smoking or landlords not able to run boozers effectively! Supermarkets gave drinkers a cheaper choice and they’ve voted with their feet; straight up and down commercial decision by consumers! Pubs as a concept are dead men walking unless they offer something different to justify the cost difference to customers! Back to my original statement after a 20 year battle my local the ploughman has lost its battle with tesco it will be turned into a car park. And who owns tesco and who owns asda x" Tesco is owned by Tesco PLC. ASDA is owned by the Issa brothers. Are you alluding to the fact Tesco was originally founded by a Jewish man and Tesco is owned by Muslim brothers? | |||
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"Now the debate is back to pub closures and not places of worship….. The boss of Spoons has narrated the choice of punters to stay at home and drink cheaper supermarket supplied beer as the main reason for closures! It’s exactly this! The breweries, who owned most of the pubs back in their halcyon days, sold their souls to the devil when they started supplying Tesco et al. with floor standing pallets (TRDU’s in the trade) for shoppers to fill their trolleys with! Once the supermarkets started selling booze as a loss leader, which a lot of them still do, and on promotions “two for £20” etc then pubs were doomed! It’s naff all to do with smoking or landlords not able to run boozers effectively! Supermarkets gave drinkers a cheaper choice and they’ve voted with their feet; straight up and down commercial decision by consumers! Pubs as a concept are dead men walking unless they offer something different to justify the cost difference to customers! Back to my original statement after a 20 year battle my local the ploughman has lost its battle with tesco it will be turned into a car park. And who owns tesco and who owns asda x Tesco is owned by Tesco PLC. ASDA is owned by the Issa brothers. Are you alluding to the fact Tesco was originally founded by a Jewish man and Tesco is owned by Muslim brothers? " Tesco isn’t owned by anybody, it’s “owned” by shareholders, including Mike Ashley and the least said about him the better! How do you know the brothers who own Asda are Muslim and who said anything about Jews? Let’s not re-hijack what is actually a great subject to debate, it’s naff all to do with culture nor religion! | |||
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"And whatever the problem is, let me tell you, it ain’t mosques for goodness sake It's an incredibly odd thing to pick on. Mosques do a hell of a lot of community work. Pubs are just a venue. There's *work* to do to support people in community. It was just a sneaky bit of islamaphobia." Shame that in this instance that my experience of Muslims is that they're incredibly community spirited. You want a community? Find the community minded. They'll help. | |||
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You can have Pubs AND other community places and a thriving community..
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"What a crock, I'd not go anywhere that had smoking now. Pubs closing is a result of many things. I can tell you know nothing about how these establiments are run and the breweries fleecing people. Venture capitalism is what killed a lot of those pubs! Check your notes on which cunting PM brought that in!!!" | |||
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"Fuck me this debate is more Toxic than Brexit
You can have Pubs AND other community places and a thriving community..
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"I’d imagine Muslims are reading this like 50 Cent in that video. “What he say fuck me for?”" I didn't know what that was ... so I looked.. now that's funny | |||
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"I’d imagine Muslims are reading this like 50 Cent in that video. “What he say fuck me for?” I didn't know what that was ... so I looked.. now that's funny" It’s about 10 years old and still makes me laugh when I see it | |||
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"The writing on the wall for pubs started as early as the 70s with conglomerates like Grand Met buying anything that moved and rent gouging to get rid of tenants. Enterprise Inns own about 5000 pubs, they never give struggling pubs a chance because they're primarily property companies. Any company who owns 5000 pubs doesn't give a fuck about actual pubs." Yes pubco's that are really property companies have been responsible for deliberately closing and demolishing many pubs purely for the land value. Most of the pubs lost had been established for over a hundred years  | |||
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x" I think the price of drinks nowadays people go weatherspoons who wants to pay around a fiver a drink. | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. " I think it depends where you are from here local mining villages the smoking ban hit them hard other had a less effect on them the breweries and capital investment aren't helping true freehouses are better connected but also a lot of the younger generation don't really drink my son's never go out to a pub.also some breweries are bully's to other owned pub's | |||
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"My nearest city is Bradford. It used to have a fantastic night life in the 90’s. Most of the best pubs have gone now. " That it did you could have a sever pub crawl from each of the pubs and clubs and finaly hiting the takeaways before taxi home. but also got ruined as the police wouldnt do anything with the yobs in the cars. and constant harrasement of pub goers | |||
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"I don't think the smoking ban has *anything* to do with it. If anything, it probably allowed more non-smokers to attend. Not just smokers, lock down and covid along with business rates. The hospitality industry is on its knees. What about independent breweries or pubs being replaced by mosques Along with schools and doctors a community needs a pub and a post office and community values. A pub is at the heart of a community x Post offices and pubs are not the heart of a community. We don't all live in a little village where there's no other options. I'm in no way religious, but the churches are open to everyone these days, for more than just saying a prayer, one of ours hosts the community larder, a coffee shop, charity shop and soft play centre, and the community centres are more of a valuable asset than any pub. Well lucky for you that you live in a community with other options to socialise,and has a church,never mind one that is open.A lot of of communities aren't so fortunate.For such communities pubs and post offices are the heart of the community. My local community is thriving. Because people in my community make it so. In ways that don't need to involve alcohol and are inclusive. If a community depends on being able to afford overpriced drinks and that's the only civic centre, then I feel bad for its residents. Someone ought to step up and make a difference. Not everyone who goes to a small community pub goes there to get pissed.Pubs do serve other drinks,stuff called Tea and Coffee.Its not about being able to afford "overpriced" drinks (ever heard of overheads?) It's about residents being able to meet up and have a chat,get out of the house. Why is a pub necessary for talking or getting out of the house? There are countless other ways to do that. Obviously you don't live in a small community which funnily enough doesn't have the same socialising options as a town or city because it's errr.....small.Get out of your bubble into the wider world a bit more. A community so small you can't go out walking? Do you live in Antarctica? Who goes walking in the pissing rain or bad weather to socialise? Do you expect elderly people to go walking just to socialise?You really need to get out of your city bubble. People do do that, yes. In my city bubble we have organisations who facilitate elderly people socialising in places like church halls. Which provide safeguarding and transport and don't do it for a profit motive. It'd be more challenging in less densely populated areas, but certainly not impossible. In my city bubble we don't need pubs to have community spirit. Maybe ask the mosque how it's done "I've just built my own bar smoke drink chat as much as you want brilliant 2pound a pint | |||
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"There's a lot on this thread about how much drinkers cost the NHS... that might be a fair point, but I wonder if the maths stacks up. I like a good pub, but I suppose I could die early because of it. " Realistically, there's very few alcoholics in pubs. You need would to be a millionaire to fuel an addiction in a pub. I would personally like to see a return to pubs, restaurants and "off licenses" being the only places you can buy alcohol. Off licenses should also have limited opening hours and restricted "pack sizes"... no "crates of beer". I'd also make tobacco products only available through a dedicated tobacconist! But that's a different subject all together (obviously )
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x" Drink driving was the start of the decline of the pub when working generally men would have a pint on the way home. Then supermarkets selling cheaper drink. Killing the off licence side of the pub smoking ban was just another nail in the coffin. | |||
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"There's a lot on this thread about how much drinkers cost the NHS... that might be a fair point, but I wonder if the maths stacks up. I like a good pub, but I suppose I could die early because of it. Realistically, there's very few alcoholics in pubs. You need would to be a millionaire to fuel an addiction in a pub. I would personally like to see a return to pubs, restaurants and "off licenses" being the only places you can buy alcohol. Off licenses should also have limited opening hours and restricted "pack sizes"... no "crates of beer". I'd also make tobacco products only available through a dedicated tobacconist! But that's a different subject all together (obviously )
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x Drink driving was the start of the decline of the pub when working generally men would have a pint on the way home. Then supermarkets selling cheaper drink. Killing the off licence side of the pub smoking ban was just another nail in the coffin. " Think it’s a combination of things, smoking ban was one factor but it’s easy to forget that pubs used to serve their local community when a big chunk of people worked within 5 miles of their home. Then think about the changes in demographics (a lot of pubs where situated in the midst of white working class communities that might have been replaced by cultures who don’t drink as much/at all/in different scenarios), supermarkets charging less, more money for and availability of alternative forms of entertainment, more awareness of the detrimental health effects… | |||
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"its such a shame art of chatting to each other face to face pubs will be missed badly" So how often do you go to a pub use it or lose it. | |||
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"There's a lot on this thread about how much drinkers cost the NHS... that might be a fair point, but I wonder if the maths stacks up. I like a good pub, but I suppose I could die early because of it. Realistically, there's very few alcoholics in pubs. You need would to be a millionaire to fuel an addiction in a pub. I would personally like to see a return to pubs, restaurants and "off licenses" being the only places you can buy alcohol. Off licenses should also have limited opening hours and restricted "pack sizes"... no "crates of beer". I'd also make tobacco products only available through a dedicated tobacconist! But that's a different subject all together (obviously )
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x" Little to do with smoking, more to do with people's free choice to use supermarket and abide by drink driving laws. | |||
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x Little to do with smoking, more to do with people's free choice to use supermarket and abide by drink driving laws. " | |||
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Ps. Sad to see some of the antagonistic posts yet again. That sort of ping pong match seems to becoming a habit with some but each to their own. Perhaps they just like to have the last word, who knows. | |||
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"How many pubs have we lost since Tony Blair banned smoking Hospitality/Pubs got the rough end of covid. A community hub lost After a 20 year battle my local pub the ploughman has lost its battle with Tesco to turn the pub into a car park x" As a non-smoker I’d rather have healthy lungs, clean smelling clothes, than be subjected to constant cigarette smoke indoors. I also don’t think the reason pubs are closing is because people can’t smoke indoors. | |||
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"Pubs died not because of the smoking ban (secondary smoke is a killer and the ban was needed), but because of a culture change; pubs core clientle stopped going to the pub every night" Good, I don't want cancer because of someone's poor life choices | |||
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"Pubs died not because of the smoking ban (secondary smoke is a killer and the ban was needed), but because of a culture change; pubs core clientle stopped going to the pub every night Good, I don't want cancer because of someone's poor life choices" I don't want pub staff to have to subject themselves to a higher risk of cancer either. Drink driving - I'm sure it's saved lots of lives and prevented a whole bunch of harm. I can't be arsed looking up the statistics. | |||
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"People voted with their feet. You can't force people to go to pubs. It's the same as a lot of high street shops. I am not sure that a place selling alcohol is the best focus of the community. Maybe we will become more of a cafe culture. I don't see this as a bad thing tbh." I sympathise with small places needing a place to go - when I was in the northern islands of Scotland recently I noticed that a lot of the towns had community halls separate from pubs. I don't know who let those things lapse in other places, but they probably need to be brought back - a way to have a community space that isn't alcohol focused. | |||
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"How many posts on Facebook and here every day basically saying ‘everything was better in the past , bring me my lard and coal’ Those places were evil full of dodgy geezerrs selling knock off meat and duty fee fags . The beer was flat and tasted of piss. The landlord was a fruit machine addicted alcoholic. A little nasty Scottish man was always ready to knife someone. Yeah the good old days" Wow! That's certainly not the places I would class a tradditional and quintessentially british pubs. The latter I would prefer them to stay as wpild like the nice independent little coffee bars and tea rooms to do so too. I certainly prefer to the new style loud bars and cafes. I don't understand why people focused on things like smoking and such like as most people would not want that anyway but they would want a local place to meet with neighbours and friends for a drink ( my parents went frequently, neither drank alcohol) or even a sing along and a little knees up.Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. | |||
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"How many posts on Facebook and here every day basically saying ‘everything was better in the past , bring me my lard and coal’ Those places were evil full of dodgy geezerrs selling knock off meat and duty fee fags . The beer was flat and tasted of piss. The landlord was a fruit machine addicted alcoholic. A little nasty Scottish man was always ready to knife someone. Yeah the good old days Wow! That's certainly not the places I would class a tradditional and quintessentially british pubs. The latter I would prefer them to stay as wpild like the nice independent little coffee bars and tea rooms to do so too. I certainly prefer to the new style loud bars and cafes. I don't understand why people focused on things like smoking and such like as most people would not want that anyway but they would want a local place to meet with neighbours and friends for a drink ( my parents went frequently, neither drank alcohol) or even a sing along and a little knees up.Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. " I think the focus on alcohol is unhealthy, given all we know it can do. Local place to meet, fine. Why does it have to be a pub, a place that is difficult to disentangle from alcohol? I don't like being around intoxicated people, some of them then drive anyway, etc. | |||
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