FabSwingers.com forum: Gay marriage... why all the fuss?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If a same sex couple are in love let them get married. Why should it only be mixed sex couples that are miserable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol. You should join the official debate with that line...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus it's unfair that us straight peeps get discriminated against when we split up.....we have to pay thousands to solicitors for the pleasure.

Why should they get let off! Lol

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

indeed .. im all for alternative approaches. .. hows about instead of getting married, we instead, just buy the person we hate most in life a house today and it saves all the fuss !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do u get the feeling there are a few divorcees on here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Errrr......to be equal maybe???? Why is that wrong?

And just because it's been that way for hundreds of years doesn't mean it's the right way. Things evolve, move in, adapt etc

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Errrr......to be equal maybe???? Why is that wrong?

And just because it's been that way for hundreds of years doesn't mean it's the right way. Things evolve, move in, adapt etc"

+1 Totally agree. My brother is engaged to a lovely lad, why should they settle for a civil partnership?

I hope they can get married properly, times have changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Errrr......to be equal maybe???? Why is that wrong?

And just because it's been that way for hundreds of years doesn't mean it's the right way. Things evolve, move in, adapt etc"

They are already equal in the fact they are human beings

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By *uckoldandWifeCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

For hundreds of years the majority of marriages were not about love but were an arrangement. Fathers gave away their daughters and even paid a dowry for the privilege of doing so to ensure their daughter "had a man to look after them". Women didn't work and they didn't vote. They were the property of the man. Things change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well it will be interesting to see how the vote goes because personally i dont think any government vote will change the stance of the Church of England and furthermore the church actually changing CANON law.

It simply wont happen in my opinion and by the way im only playing devils advocate

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Errrr......to be equal maybe???? Why is that wrong?

And just because it's been that way for hundreds of years doesn't mean it's the right way. Things evolve, move in, adapt etc

They are already equal in the fact they are human beings

Just not equal enough to be allowed to marry the person they love

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should keep the ban. also why not bring back some of the other bible standards. like stoning adulteresses or killing a farmer for daring to plant different crops next to each other. oh and bring back slavery. that will enable them to massage the jobless figures. or are people just going to cherry pick from the bible what they're opposed to? It seems so.

top tip. if you're opposed to gay marriage simply avoid marrying a gay person.

I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Errrr......to be equal maybe???? Why is that wrong?

And just because it's been that way for hundreds of years doesn't mean it's the right way. Things evolve, move in, adapt etc

They are already equal in the fact they are human beings

Just not equal enough to be allowed to marry the person they love

Unfortunately at this time yes, and i completely understand that they want the right to marry.

I simply cannot see the church of England changing their stance much less their canon law and its them that would have to agree it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They should keep the ban. also why not bring back some of the other bible standards. like stoning adulteresses or killing a farmer for daring to plant different crops next to each other. oh and bring back slavery. that will enable them to massage the jobless figures. or are people just going to cherry pick from the bible what they're opposed to? It seems so.

top tip. if you're opposed to gay marriage simply avoid marrying a gay person.

I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having listened to a discussion about the pro’s and cons of Gay marriage on lasts night ITV “ Agenda Tonight” programme……

I found myself in the curious position of actually agreeing with Ed Balls who presented a much far more reasoned argumant for it’s introduction than Anthony Horowitz who was opposed it based on what seemed very archaic principles but with whom I've shared common thinking in the past…

However, I still like AH and I still don't like ED...

I’m pro Gay marriage BTW!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

top tip. if you're opposed to gay marriage simply avoid marrying a gay person.

I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

This.

Is.

Awesome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a same sex couple are in love let them get married. Why should it only be mixed sex couples that are miserable?

I think it's all to do with the priests who will have to marry them. It could be awkward being the instrument of marriage to your ex boyfriend and his new beau.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

Great line. I'll be using that. Ta.

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

This

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

Great line. I'll be using that. Ta.

you beat me to it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

top tip. if you're opposed to gay marriage simply avoid marrying a gay person.

I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

This.

Is.

Awesome."

Agreed!

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

Gay marraige? Fine, go for it.

Government forcing relegions to do it? Hmmm, not so sure. But I do think individual priests/vicars/rabbis/Golden priest of Set/Scions of Satan should be able to decide themselves and not be forced to comply either way. Also those who choose to oppose it should have the grace and humility to allow others to officiate in their place without any rancor or complaint.

Until the mainstream relegions start practicing what they preach, that ain't gonna happen though...

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"Well it will be interesting to see how the vote goes because personally i dont think any government vote will change the stance of the Church of England and furthermore the church actually changing CANON law.

It simply wont happen in my opinion and by the way im only playing devils advocate

Have you actually read any of the arguments to do with gay marriage, or are you just being deliberately argumentative this morning.

No church or religious organisation will be forced to conduct same sex marriages if their faith is against it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

House of commons gay marriage debate, most overused catch-phrase from both sides....

“Equal does not mean the same”….

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Equality..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why all the fuss just peopel cannot be open about sex let them get on with it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I simply cannot see the church of England changing their stance much less their canon law and its them that would have to agree it

the 'church'needs to adapt to how society has and is changing..

and the fact that the church is represented in the House of Lords should not continue if the church continues it discrimination against women and gay people..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

top tip. if you're opposed to gay marriage simply avoid marrying a gay person.

I blame the heterosexuals,they're the ones who keep having gay kids

well said..

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By *inkyScot22Man
over a year ago

Anniesland

I heard it's confusing a lot of gay people too... These days a guy doesn't know if he's getting a blowjob or being proposed to when the other guy kneels in front of him...

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

Errrr......to be equal maybe???? Why is that wrong?

And just because it's been that way for hundreds of years doesn't mean it's the right way. Things evolve, move in, adapt etc"

Precisely. Evolution. Another theory that rocked the boat when Darwin announced it to the world. As it says on the side of one of the buses I see in Norwich sometimes - Some people are gay. Deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It think it should be noted that it's not the govt who doesn't want gay couples to be on equal terms as hetero couples regarding marriage, it's the church.

The govt knows that it is on a freight train collision with the church if it orders same sex marriages to be legal as it will then be the church who will refuse to comply with the law.

If I had my way the State would own the church buildings and religions would have to apply for a licence to use them. If they don't use them in accordance with the law they lose the right to use the buildings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It think it should be noted that it's not the govt who doesn't want gay couples to be on equal terms as hetero couples regarding marriage, it's the church.

The govt knows that it is on a freight train collision with the church if it orders same sex marriages to be legal as it will then be the church who will refuse to comply with the law.

Its a collision that's well overdue. Its about time that the ties between The State and The Church were cut. Its coming to something when a decision is being made about love and compassion which sees the Church having the worst view. I believe a lot of Christians who are opposed can't get past the gay sex thing. I thought marriage vows were based on mutual love trust and compassion. Not on who puts what where. Love Trust and Compassion. Three things that a lot of religious people seem to care very little for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm staying out of the religion debate. Last time I got into that someone ended up telling me they had a really expensive driveway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It think it should be noted that it's not the govt who doesn't want gay couples to be on equal terms as hetero couples regarding marriage, it's the church.

The govt knows that it is on a freight train collision with the church if it orders same sex marriages to be legal as it will then be the church who will refuse to comply with the law.

My In Laws are two of the most tolerant people I know, and both are devout churchgoers. It is the Heads of the Church who think they have something to protect with these arcane religious laws, not the general parishioner who are thoroughly decent accepting people in the main (a few stick in the muds sure).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a same sex couple are in love let them get married. Why should it only be mixed sex couples that are miserable?

There is more to meets the eye with this in my book. I can see it being used as a intolerance stick to be used against various religious groups.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm enjoying the fact it's tearing the Tories apart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a same sex couple are in love let them get married. Why should it only be mixed sex couples that are miserable?

There is more to meets the eye with this in my book. I can see it being used as a intolerance stick to be used against various religious groups. "

How so?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If a same sex couple are in love let them get married. Why should it only be mixed sex couples that are miserable?

There is more to meets the eye with this in my book. I can see it being used as a intolerance stick to be used against various religious groups. "

Great, innit?

About time various religious groups found out what it's like to face some intolerance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can a man who wears a bedazzled hat, cape and carries a big shiny disco stick be against gay marriage?

Something amiss there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a same sex couple are in love let them get married. Why should it only be mixed sex couples that are miserable?

There is more to meets the eye with this in my book. I can see it being used as a intolerance stick to be used against various religious groups.

How so?"

Well if you think about it there will be some groups who refuse to get involved and it will look however they dress it up as homophobic bigotry. Now I wouldn't put it past some politicians to be far from unhappy about how it looks for some of the extreme groups and maybe just maybe thats partly the intention. It will be interesting to see how the Muslim council of great Britain react to it if its passed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well if you think about it there will be some groups who refuse to get involved and it will look however they dress it up as homophobic bigotry. Now I wouldn't put it past some politicians to be far from unhappy about how it looks for some of the extreme groups and maybe just maybe thats partly the intention. It will be interesting to see how the Muslim council of great Britain react to it if its passed.

I thought that might be what you were getting at. What's your position then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

government pass minority law just to outrage other minorities? surely not?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

So many people have been ranting about this today...... the funny thing is none that I have asked have been able to explain the difference between a civil partnership and marriage.... didn't stop them jumping up and down about it though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gay marraige? Fine, go for it.

Until the mainstream relegions start practicing what they preach, that ain't gonna happen though...

Gay marriage... bring it on....!

I agree that each individual religious leader should be able to choose whether or not they conduct the services.

Interesting comments on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If god/buddah/allah doesn't want gay people to marry, I'm sure he/she will strike them down. Religion just seems to be getting more and more pointless and irrelevant in the 21st century.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if this law does get passed if it will make any real difference to the church?

You only need to be divorced and wanting to remarry and very few churches will entertain you.

I see the church under individual bishops doing the same with gay couples!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If god/buddah/allah doesn't want gay people to marry, I'm sure he/she will strike them down. Religion just seems to be getting more and more pointless and irrelevant in the 21st century."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am pro Gay marriage and have gay friends who have already taken their vowels.

Lets face it half the politicians are at it with Tgirls or other guys anyway, apart from that the church is so behind the times its unreal.

I come from a christian family and hate their attitude towards the gay community, religion is to blame for enough and if this doesnt go through then sure they will pay the price for this too.

Who really cares if 2 guys or girls want to get married, its 2013 FFS get over it!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19402508

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be easier to just ban marriage......as after all marriage vows mean feck all to a huge chunk of society nowadays

im sure the massive amount of man hours to promote/prevent this becoming law are just what we need our government to be treating as priority in these tough times!!!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I have no strong views either ways but would like to throw into the discussion that if gay couples can marry, could a relationship between 3 or possibly more people be recognised in the same way?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It would be easier to just ban marriage......as after all marriage vows mean feck all to a huge chunk of society nowadays

im sure the massive amount of man hours to promote/prevent this becoming law are just what we need our government to be treating as priority in these tough times!!!

It might be better just to ban religion.

That's where all the bampot objections are coming from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have no strong views either ways but would like to throw into the discussion that if gay couples can marry, could a relationship between 3 or possibly more people be recognised in the same way?

See the link I just posted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would be easier to just ban marriage......as after all marriage vows mean feck all to a huge chunk of society nowadays

im sure the massive amount of man hours to promote/prevent this becoming law are just what we need our government to be treating as priority in these tough times!!!

It might be better just to ban religion.

That's where all the bampot objections are coming from."

so to object to something thats against your beliefs makes you a bampot???

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I have no strong views either ways but would like to throw into the discussion that if gay couples can marry, could a relationship between 3 or possibly more people be recognised in the same way?

See the link I just posted."
Thanks, I was not aware of that but I was listening to Radio 4 this morning and the gay marriage thing was discussed.

There is a very good book - it is called "Rewriting the rules" and it discusses the changing values of society, the fact that traditional marriage no longer works for a large part of the population and that it would be so much easier to adapt and rewrite some rules.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The bill has just been approved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MPs have supported David Cameron's plan to allow gay marriage by a majority of 225 votes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have no strong views either ways but would like to throw into the discussion that if gay couples can marry, could a relationship between 3 or possibly more people be recognised in the same way?

See the link I just posted.Thanks, I was not aware of that but I was listening to Radio 4 this morning and the gay marriage thing was discussed.

Trip to Amazon needed then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The bill has just been approved.

Yay uk...

Maybe it will help change the views on the LGBT communities..x

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I have no strong views either ways but would like to throw into the discussion that if gay couples can marry, could a relationship between 3 or possibly more people be recognised in the same way?

See the link I just posted.Thanks, I was not aware of that but I was listening to Radio 4 this morning and the gay marriage thing was discussed.

Trip to Amazon needed then

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It s worth every penny - not read the whole book yet but it makes so much sense so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Marriage is a religious ceremony which for hundreds of years has unified a MAN and WOMAN in holy matrimony.

I have no objections to gay/lesbian rights etc but they have been given the right to civil partnership etc what more do they want ??

LIVE AND LET LIVE IT'S 2013 NOT THE 1800's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

LIVE AND LET LIVE IT'S 2013 NOT THE 1800's"

Well said...

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By *acciWoman
over a year ago

leeds

Well gay marriages have been allowed and about time too

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

What do you mean you won't let me marry my gay partner... You're the bloke wearing the frock!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well gay marriages have been allowed and about time too"

Not yet... but soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not having a go at gays or bi people, everyone deserves happiness . My gripe is the churches, I'm c of e , Lou a catholic, because we were divorced both churches wouldn't marry us . Now falling congregations , morals , ethics they scurry to claw money in. The Tories do it for votes.

No wonder we are atheists now

And who we will vote for !!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is the difference then between a civil partnership and a marriage?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What is the difference then between a civil partnership and a marriage?

Semantics.

If a Registrar 'marries' two people of the same sex it's a civil partnership.

If they're of different genders, it's a marriage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so if a marriage can be ended by divorce, what is it for civil partners? (Although they may not be so civil at that point.)

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

There was a piece on R4 yesterday where one Chairman of a Conservative Association said that more Conservative members were against this than the European question.

Now that the Bill has passed the real wrangling starts to word the Act.

Civil Partnerships was a halfway house and because it didn't include heterosexual couples created an anomaly. In 10 years time people will wonder why there was a fuss about this at all.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"There was a piece on R4 yesterday where one Chairman of a Conservative Association said that more Conservative members were against this than the European question.

Now that the Bill has passed the real wrangling starts to word the Act.

Civil Partnerships was a halfway house and because it didn't include heterosexual couples created an anomaly. In 10 years time people will wonder why there was a fuss about this at all."

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot.."

'A tad split'? Torn asunder might be a more accurate description of the rent in their fabric.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

'A tad split'? Torn asunder might be a more accurate description of the rent in their fabric."

How many will go through with their threat to rip up their membership cards? The Eastleigh by-election result will be interesting to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was a piece on R4 yesterday where one Chairman of a Conservative Association said that more Conservative members were against this than the European question.

Now that the Bill has passed the real wrangling starts to word the Act.

Civil Partnerships was a halfway house and because it didn't include heterosexual couples created an anomaly. In 10 years time people will wonder why there was a fuss about this at all.

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot.."

It was a free vote on all sides and if you look back on the Labour years you'll see the same thing when a free vote was given. It does make one wonder how more efficient government would be if all votes in the house of commons were free of party directives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

visions of the most enormous fart there!

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

'A tad split'? Torn asunder might be a more accurate description of the rent in their fabric."

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

'A tad split'? Torn asunder might be a more accurate description of the rent in their fabric.

How many will go through with their threat to rip up their membership cards? The Eastleigh by-election result will be interesting to see."

Won't it just? Farrage has bottled it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There was a piece on R4 yesterday where one Chairman of a Conservative Association said that more Conservative members were against this than the European question.

Now that the Bill has passed the real wrangling starts to word the Act.

Civil Partnerships was a halfway house and because it didn't include heterosexual couples created an anomaly. In 10 years time people will wonder why there was a fuss about this at all.

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

IT wasn't atrue free vote in as much as the payroll vote was mandated to support Cameron's position.

That he lost sooooooooooo many votes in that situation makes Adam Afriyie's 'challenge' look not so daft after all.

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over a year ago

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

'A tad split'? Torn asunder might be a more accurate description of the rent in their fabric.

How many will go through with their threat to rip up their membership cards? The Eastleigh by-election result will be interesting to see."

Eastleigh was a former safe tory seat until 1994, after which is has been successfully held by the Liberal Democrats. The 2010 result saw Huhne returned as it's MP but with only a 4,000 majority from the Conservative's Maria Hutchings. Labour trailed in third with just over 5,000 votes.

With the LibDems adrift on a tiny raft that is slowly coming apart I suspect Eastleigh will return to the Tories later this year.

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over a year ago

Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

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over a year ago

"There was a piece on R4 yesterday where one Chairman of a Conservative Association said that more Conservative members were against this than the European question.

Now that the Bill has passed the real wrangling starts to word the Act.

Civil Partnerships was a halfway house and because it didn't include heterosexual couples created an anomaly. In 10 years time people will wonder why there was a fuss about this at all.

the tories do look a tad split as a party, not only that old effelump in the corner which is Europe and now this..

when more of a party vote against something the party leader wants than vote for it, look out..

he's not exactly mr popular within his own lot..

IT wasn't atrue free vote in as much as the payroll vote was mandated to support Cameron's position.

That he lost sooooooooooo many votes in that situation makes Adam Afriyie's 'challenge' look not so daft after all."

Oh come on, Labour had a payroll vote of 40% of it's MPs whilst they were in office. That's hardly grounds for a challenge to Cameron's Prime Ministership. I'm glad Tory MPs voted in favour of the bill as it is blatantly unequal to allow heterosexual couples to marry when same sex couples cannot. I would like to see the Church of England forced to allow same sex marriages regardless of how the individual parish priest feels about it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

I agree with that. I despise the hypocrisy of those that don't believe and never attend but get all uppity of they are refused a church wedding.

On the matter of same sex marriage I think it should be up to the individual church as it is for those that choose to marry divorced heterosexual couples.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

I agree with that. I despise the hypocrisy of those that don't believe and never attend but get all uppity of they are refused a church wedding.

On the matter of same sex marriage I think it should be up to the individual church as it is for those that choose to marry divorced heterosexual couples."
I agree with you, Lickety!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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without getting into a tory this and labour that..

dont recall a situation whereby the nayes were higher than the ayes, even when Blair was at his least popular with the PLP he never took that chance..

its never only about the issue either, its the timing of that issue and the dynamics within..

May 2015 is getting closer..

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over a year ago

"Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

I agree with that. I despise the hypocrisy of those that don't believe and never attend but get all uppity of they are refused a church wedding.

On the matter of same sex marriage I think it should be up to the individual church as it is for those that choose to marry divorced heterosexual couples."

Many years ago my sister asked me to be godfather to her daughter and we had to go to church on a weekday evening for a pep talk from the priest. He asked me if I'd been christened and when I said 'no' he said I couldn't be godfather unless I was christened too. I then said to him, "Okay, let's do it here and now," to which he replied, "No, it has to be during a Sunday service."

And this is where the conversation turned decidedly downwards because I then said, "Why, is Jesus gonna be there?"

I wasn't christened and I am not my niece's godfather.

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over a year ago

I live in ireland . Im not married, but living with a person. lol so here in ireland im living in Sin. You dont have to be married to be happy. I consider that all people have the same rights as others. No one is different to the other.

hmmmmm there goes me putting my cents worth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

without getting into a tory this and labour that..

dont recall a situation whereby the nayes were higher than the ayes, even when Blair was at his least popular with the PLP he never took that chance..

its never only about the issue either, its the timing of that issue and the dynamics within..

May 2015 is getting closer.."

Or just maybe Cameron is being true to his word and delivering transparent government, albeit slowly and very carefully lol.

Either way, I'm still glad the bill was passed.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I live in ireland . Im not married, but living with a person. lol so here in ireland im living in Sin. You dont have to be married to be happy. I consider that all people have the same rights as others. No one is different to the other.

hmmmmm there goes me putting my cents worth "

And very welcome it is too.

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over a year ago

"Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

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over a year ago

I find it ironic that you go to a church to gain a spouse but go to a court to get rid of one.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

I agree with that. I despise the hypocrisy of those that don't believe and never attend but get all uppity of they are refused a church wedding.

On the matter of same sex marriage I think it should be up to the individual church as it is for those that choose to marry divorced heterosexual couples.

And this is where the conversation turned decidedly downwards because I then said, "Why, is Jesus gonna be there?"

I wasn't christened and I am not my niece's godfather."

It happens during a normal Sunday mass to welcome you into the Church community. It's a public declaration of faith.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

without getting into a tory this and labour that..

dont recall a situation whereby the nayes were higher than the ayes, even when Blair was at his least popular with the PLP he never took that chance..

its never only about the issue either, its the timing of that issue and the dynamics within..

May 2015 is getting closer..

Or just maybe Cameron is being true to his word and delivering transparent government, albeit slowly and very carefully lol.

Either way, I'm still glad the bill was passed."

in agreement with the last line..

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over a year ago

"Wished only people who actually believed in god would be allowed to.get married in church..gay or not..that d cut the crap..

I agree with that. I despise the hypocrisy of those that don't believe and never attend but get all uppity of they are refused a church wedding.

On the matter of same sex marriage I think it should be up to the individual church as it is for those that choose to marry divorced heterosexual couples.

And this is where the conversation turned decidedly downwards because I then said, "Why, is Jesus gonna be there?"

I wasn't christened and I am not my niece's godfather.

It happens during a normal Sunday mass to welcome you into the Church community. It's a public declaration of faith."

I feel that a person's faith is between that person and God and needs no public declaration. Church services are more about building up the support for a particular denomination than allowing people to believe in God in their own way, on their own time and wherever they want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While on the subject of marriage i believe getting married should be made extremely difficult for anyone and divorce extremely easy.

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over a year ago

"While on the subject of marriage i believe getting married should be made extremely difficult for anyone and divorce extremely easy."

If the former was put into practice we'd rarely see the latter.

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over a year ago

"While on the subject of marriage i believe getting married should be made extremely difficult for anyone and divorce extremely easy.

If the former was put into practice we'd rarely see the latter."

exactly

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Not having a go at gays or bi people, everyone deserves happiness . My gripe is the churches, I'm c of e , Lou a catholic, because we were divorced both churches wouldn't marry us . Now falling congregations , morals , ethics they scurry to claw money in. The Tories do it for votes.

No wonder we are atheists now

And who we will vote for !!!!!!!!!"

I never understand that either however you can still marry in a non religious ceremony which is what someone I work with does, and its legal

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