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"I couldn't give less of a Shit about this story, it's a non story!!! So he called them a name that 8 year old kidscall eeach other......big whoop "He didn'tand he has been visibly affected by the frustration of knowing he did nothing wrong and being stitched up the Police and Newspapers reporting "factual" Police logs. He has been stitched up big time and it is terrifying to think that the Police can contour up such a widespread campaign to lie, cover up and falsify information. If this can happen to a Politician - God help us if their spotlight fell on you or I one day. Some - non story...., | |||
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"I couldn't give less of a Shit about this story, it's a non story!!! So he called them a name that 8 year old kidscall eeach other......big whoop
He didn'tand he has been visibly affected by the frustration of knowing he did nothing wrong and being stitched up the Police and Newspapers reporting "factual" Police logs.
He has been stitched up big time and it is terrifying to think that the Police can contour up such a widespread campaign to lie, cover up and falsify information.
If this can happen to a Politician - God help us if their spotlight fell on you or I one day.
Some - non story....,"Still a non story to me. Who would stich someone up with something so stupid? He wasn't even that well known (well not to me anyway cos I don't follow politics). I don't see the need for a whole programme about it. | |||
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"i agree with evesham" How many people could be in prison today and/or have had their lives ruined by corrupt Police? Plain, ordinary people who have simply had to accept their fate. This guy was a Politician and fought back but it makes you wonder about the people who can't fight back. What can they do to undo their unjust treatment. You feel it a non story cos he is a Tory and therefore ... So what. The story is not about him per we, but about how the Police have stitched someone up with a concerted and per planned falsification of evidence, cleverly released to the Newspapers. They cannot do that in a civilised society! | |||
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"do not put words into my mouth i do not think its a non story because hes a tory. speak for yourself not me" I thought it a big story at the time. I think t an even bigger story now. The Police are supposed to uphold the law - not make it up as they go along and use their power to ruin people's lives. That is not a non story. | |||
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"Just where dis his political party done int to any of the replies on here???? I'd have the same opinion if it happened to bob down the road, only it woyldnt have got its own tv programme if it had! When there is a programme about someone who went to prison because of police collusion post this type of thread again and I might just care! Andrew what his face didn't go to prison, didn't get arrested, and so I fail to see the comparison you make " Hills borough Jean Charles de mezenies Ian Tomlinson Andrew Mitchell Lies, cover ups, falsified evidence. Is there a pattern? Is it right? How can Police corruption be a non story? | |||
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"Just where dis his political party done int to any of the replies on here???? I'd have the same opinion if it happened to bob down the road, only it woyldnt have got its own tv programme if it had! When there is a programme about someone who went to prison because of police collusion post this type of thread again and I might just care! Andrew what his face didn't go to prison, didn't get arrested, and so I fail to see the comparison you make Hills borough Jean Charles de mezenies Ian Tomlinson Andrew Mitchell Lies, cover ups, falsified evidence. Is there a pattern? Is it right? How can Police corruption be a non story? " You forgot the birmingham 6 and the guilford 4 served more than 15 yrs because of police cover up and to this day not one policeman has been charged totally scandalous wot they get away with . | |||
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"Just where dis his political party done int to any of the replies on here???? I'd have the same opinion if it happened to bob down the road, only it woyldnt have got its own tv programme if it had! When there is a programme about someone who went to prison because of police collusion post this type of thread again and I might just care! Andrew what his face didn't go to prison, didn't get arrested, and so I fail to see the comparison you make Hills borough Jean Charles de mezenies Ian Tomlinson Andrew Mitchell Lies, cover ups, falsified evidence. Is there a pattern? Is it right? How can Police corruption be a non story? You forgot the birmingham 6 and the guilford 4 served more than 15 yrs because of police cover up and to this day not one policeman has been charged totally scandalous wot they get away with ." If the police stitched up this tory twat i couldnt be happier. The torys are stitching up the whole country so fuck em and mitchell. Please note he hasnt been stitched up as he admitted everything but using the word pleb. This c4 reporter is on some sort of mission to get mitchell his job back. so here we are again with main stream media carrying out the govt agenda. | |||
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"Just where dis his political party done int to any of the replies on here???? I'd have the same opinion if it happened to bob down the road, only it woyldnt have got its own tv programme if it had! When there is a programme about someone who went to prison because of police collusion post this type of thread again and I might just care! Andrew what his face didn't go to prison, didn't get arrested, and so I fail to see the comparison you make Hills borough Jean Charles de mezenies Ian Tomlinson Andrew Mitchell Lies, cover ups, falsified evidence. Is there a pattern? Is it right? How can Police corruption be a non story? You forgot the birmingham 6 and the guilford 4 served more than 15 yrs because of police cover up and to this day not one policeman has been charged totally scandalous wot they get away with . If the police stitched up this tory twat i couldnt be happier. The torys are stitching up the whole country so fuck em and mitchell. Please note he hasnt been stitched up as he admitted everything but using the word pleb. This c4 reporter is on some sort of mission to get mitchell his job back. so here we are again with main stream media carrying out the govt agenda."  to fucking true plus hes an odiuos creep | |||
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" If the police stitched up this tory twat i couldnt be happier. The torys are stitching up the whole country so fuck em and mitchell. ."  Damn Straight. Tories complaining of media bias | |||
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"I see. So it is ok for the Police to stitch up someone we don't like? By that measure - Hillsborough stitch up ok they were Scousers. Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 - that's ok too as they were Paddys Andrew Mitchell that's ok cos he is a Tory. Just wonder if it is right for the Police themselves to decide who is fair game to be stitched up and who decides who is popular and who isn't." You're quite right, officers should act with integrity and uphold the law impartially. But could you please not assume that every police officer has conducted themselves that way. Its individuals conducting themselves badly. Harold shipman was a Dr....are they all bad ?British troops have been convicted of numerous offences in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they're not all guilty and face massive public support. Lets be careful how we generalise ? | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! " Really..... I take it you did watch the programme? The programme that thread is about? Scale is irrelevant. Stopping ALL Police lies is fundamental to any so called civilised society. Little lies turn into big lies and all this case has done is to uncover the levels that the Police will go to - in collusion - to make a story that suits them. Nobody in society deserves to be victimised by the Police - not under any circumstances, nor at any level. Any deviation from this makes us no better than a tip pot Dictatorship. Rather regrettably the Police have much recent history of this behaviour and it has to stop - no excuses, no exceptions. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! " how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! Really..... I take it you did watch the programme? The programme that thread is about? Scale is irrelevant. Stopping ALL Police lies is fundamental to any so called civilised society. Little lies turn into big lies and all this case has done is to uncover the levels that the Police will go to - in collusion - to make a story that suits them. Nobody in society deserves to be victimised by the Police - not under any circumstances, nor at any level. Any deviation from this makes us no better than a tip pot Dictatorship. Rather regrettably the Police have much recent history of this behaviour and it has to stop - no excuses, no exceptions." npope - didnt watch it, told you....its a non story to me 
i am not saying it doesnt go on but why choose this story to focus on? its a playground 'miss....he said i called him a pleb when i didnt! waaaaaaaahhhh' 
as you have highlighted, there are much worse cases that have happened, cover ups that have gone on for years, these are the stories that deserve investigating.
People moan about the waste of public money everyday.....how much has this 'disagreement' cost us?
as faras i know Mr Mitchell resigned, he chose to do that. i'd have ad morerespect for him if he stood up for himself and carried on regardless. I wouldnt quit my job if someone said i had called them a name when i hadn't | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.." the OP has changed the context of the thread....he started off just talking about Andrew Mitchell, then when he got no support for that he changed it to the police and their victimisation of people. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.. the OP has changed the context of the thread....he started off just talking about Andrew Mitchell, then when he got no support for that he changed it to the police and their victimisation of people." tis the nature of debate.. | |||
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"Just where dis his political party done int to any of the replies on here???? I'd have the same opinion if it happened to bob down the road, only it woyldnt have got its own tv programme if it had! When there is a programme about someone who went to prison because of police collusion post this type of thread again and I might just care! Andrew what his face didn't go to prison, didn't get arrested, and so I fail to see the comparison you make Hills borough Jean Charles de mezenies Ian Tomlinson Andrew Mitchell Lies, cover ups, falsified evidence. Is there a pattern? Is it right? How can Police corruption be a non story? " I kinda see the point you are making... but the thing with the other points you mentioned is that PEOPLE DIED!!!!! and comparing it to the birmingham 6 or Guildford 4 is over exagerating because in those cases.... people died in prison or where put away for a long time... with the greatest of respect to andrew mitchell... no one died, he didn't end up in prison, and I bet in the next reshuffle, he gets another job back... it will be tomorrows chip paper and life will go on..... | |||
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"How many politicians have lied and covered up for things?" Do those lies and cover ups end up with innocent people being in prison, or dead or even "only" having their lives ruined. Ask any Dictator - the Police literally have the power of life, death and integrity over all of us and so their behaviour must always be beyond reproach. No exceptions. Did you see the bit where Mitchell recorded a meeting he held with the Police Federation and he told them his version of events and admitted swearing as in - muttering under his breath in frustration. He swore that this was a true version of events and it aligned with the CCTV video footage. The police Federation person then came out of the meeting and said that Mitchell had been given the opportunity to explain himself but he refused to explain what had happened and so he should resign ! That Police Officer is now under investigation himself after Mitchell released the recording to the Police Investigations Unit. Imagine being inter_iewed by up to five Police Officers and then they come out and lie about what you had said. Not on, not in a civilised society. The consequences of the law enforcement agencies acting outside of the law has an effect many times more serious than when anyone else does it. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.. the OP has changed the context of the thread....he started off just talking about Andrew Mitchell, then when he got no support for that he changed it to the police and their victimisation of people." Rubbish. It is about the way that Andrew Mitchell was treated. It is in a long line of Police stitch ups. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.. the OP has changed the context of the thread....he started off just talking about Andrew Mitchell, then when he got no support for that he changed it to the police and their victimisation of people. Rubbish. It is about the way that Andrew Mitchell was treated. It is in a long line of Police stitch ups." Maybe, but police officers have arrested those who have committed offences and theywill if found guilty face pprosecution. Is that not how the justice system works ? | |||
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"Its hard to feel sorry for a guy that is a member of a set of people who stole taxpayers money not that long ago. Yes, he was wrongly accused of something, but all he got was a slapped wrist and a couple of weeks of mocking. Its disingenuous to compare what he went through to what the Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6, and the Hillsborough people went through. Its like comparing apples with elephants." The point being is that it is continuing. Big lies, little lies, little cover ups, big cover ups. This programme shocked me because we not long ago had the Hillsborough documentary, we have just had the Leveson enquiry - and yet this is still going on... | |||
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"Its hard to feel sorry for a guy that is a member of a set of people who stole taxpayers money not that long ago. Yes, he was wrongly accused of something, but all he got was a slapped wrist and a couple of weeks of mocking. Its disingenuous to compare what he went through to what the Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6, and the Hillsborough people went through. Its like comparing apples with elephants. The point being is that it is continuing. Big lies, little lies, little cover ups, big cover ups. This programme shocked me because we not long ago had the Hillsborough documentary, we have just had the Leveson enquiry - and yet this is still going on..." So if someone's breaking into your house tonight you'll not call the police ?  | |||
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"Its hard to feel sorry for a guy that is a member of a set of people who stole taxpayers money not that long ago. Yes, he was wrongly accused of something, but all he got was a slapped wrist and a couple of weeks of mocking. Its disingenuous to compare what he went through to what the Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6, and the Hillsborough people went through. Its like comparing apples with elephants. The point being is that it is continuing. Big lies, little lies, little cover ups, big cover ups. This programme shocked me because we not long ago had the Hillsborough documentary, we have just had the Leveson enquiry - and yet this is still going on..." I heard it was a secret service guy that reported falsehoods, not police. Whatever the outcome, if I get burgled I am phoning the police, not my local MP. call me conservative (with a little 'c') but I'd rather have the rozzers round than some no-chinned ex-Eton guy. | |||
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"The point being is that it is continuing. Big lies, little lies, little cover ups, big cover ups. This programme shocked me because we not long ago had the Hillsborough documentary, we have just had the Leveson enquiry - and yet this is still going on..." Am a bit surprised that you are shocked tbh.. its human nature, there will always be a minority within any group who will duck n dive, cut corners and sadly as has happened historically by some within the Police send innocent people to jail.. its not acceptable and people must be held accountable but also it must be looked at in context.. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! Really..... I take it you did watch the programme? The programme that thread is about? Scale is irrelevant. Stopping ALL Police lies is fundamental to any so called civilised society. Little lies turn into big lies and all this case has done is to uncover the levels that the Police will go to - in collusion - to make a story that suits them. Nobody in society deserves to be victimised by the Police - not under any circumstances, nor at any level. Any deviation from this makes us no better than a tip pot Dictatorship. Rather regrettably the Police have much recent history of this behaviour and it has to stop - no excuses, no exceptions." civilised society hahahaha, where where is this mythylogical civilised socety ? You dont seem to have noticed that this is a dictatorship either. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.." You talk like we live in a country that has previously been corruption free. | |||
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"i honestly cannot believethat any educated person holds this on a level with all of the other cases mentioned!! how about the acceptance or belief of some (in this issue a minority of the Police) that the position they hold within a society gives them the power and the position to enable them to subvert the rules of that society...? think that is what the OP is referring to.. in some ways its not the size of the wrongdoing, its the actual act.. each person done wrong to is equally wronged if power is mis used.. yes some have their reputation ruined, others are banged up when innocent and others are dead.. the principle is the issue.. You talk like we live in a country that has previously been corruption free." your perception is swayed perhaps.. | |||
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