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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I love hearing other people's points of _iew and life would be boring if we were all he same. I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different. Of course there is always a way of voicing that opinion with as little insult to others as possible. I have read a thread today that showed no tollerance for others and was rather nasty about a certain group of people. In conclusion I think the only opinion that is wrong are from those intolerant of others and theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keyboard warriors, get them on any internet forum/site, hide behind a screen and say what they want, they'd never do so in "real" life.

Not worth worrying about or getting wound up over...take what most people say with a pinch of salt and you won't go far wrong.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Very well said - I think there can be as many opinions and perspectives as there are people and we can have conversation, discussion even a debate about those as long as there is mutual respect and tolerance for people who think differently

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Very well said - I think there can be as many opinions and perspectives as there are people and we can have conversation, discussion even a debate about those as long as there is mutual respect and tolerance for people who think differently "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After reading through many threads it's clear that a lot of people are not as free spirited and open minded as they would like to believe.

I thought YouTube was bad with the Keyboard Warriors but this site (like many others) has its fair share of intolerant folk.

We like a good debate so we'll argue our case or opinion, whilst at the same respecting other people's _iews, as we're all here to learn new things and share different experiences.

Variety is the spice of life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life is full of different opinions, preferences and perspectives. I enjoy hearing others' _iews, I enjoy debating them from time to time, I can disagree with certain _iews but enjoy the fact that we are all entitled to those _iews and live in a society where we can disagree without fear or recrimination. When _iews or opinions get censored because people can only articulate them in an abusive way I do find it sad as the ability to agree, disagree and debate is fundamental to this culture and society.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm not one to take offense, it didn't annoy me personally that it was directed at couple's in relationship's like mine. I get annoyed more by people who label other people's way of life or personal opinion as wrong. It's just not a great way of expressing your individual _iews. Surely a decent debate is trying to get people to understand all sides, trying to persuade an audience that your opinion is a fair point once you've insulted most of them can't be easy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always said it's fine to challenge or argue with an opinion, but that doesn't mean you need to verbally attack or insult the person offering it. Unfortunately all too often you see these debates turn personal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've always said it's fine to challenge or argue with an opinion, but that doesn't mean you need to verbally attack or insult the person offering it. Unfortunately all too often you see these debates turn personal."
and at that point the person using that method of articulation has in my opinion lost the debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not one to take offense, it didn't annoy me personally that it was directed at couple's in relationship's like mine. I get annoyed more by people who label other people's way of life or personal opinion as wrong. It's just not a great way of expressing your individual _iews. Surely a decent debate is trying to get people to understand all sides, trying to persuade an audience that your opinion is a fair point once you've insulted most of them can't be easy."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!. "

haha - nobody gets what they want in a compromise

I try to sit on the fence but it's very wobbly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!. "

Better to take a _iew than being accused of sitting on the fence!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!.

haha - nobody gets what they want in a compromise

I try to sit on the fence but it's very wobbly."

Have you tried straddling it??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!.

haha - nobody gets what they want in a compromise

I try to sit on the fence but it's very wobbly.

Have you tried straddling it?? "

Now that might work - would keep me quiet for a while at least..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Absolutely. I've been here for 2 and a half years altogether but I have only recently I've looked at the forums. I've enjoyed the conversation and I have actually started gaining confidence I didn't even know I lacked in my right to have an opinion. I haven't had abuse back from any of my posts, I'm assuming because I word my opinions in a nice way without insulting people. I can honestly say I am open minded on here and in my daytime life and there no groups of people I dislike.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!.

haha - nobody gets what they want in a compromise

I try to sit on the fence but it's very wobbly

Have you tried straddling it??

Now that might work - would keep me quiet for a while at least.."
loving the way this threads going

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

In MY opinion

I think the ability to debate/argue is a skill in itself and it need not always be about right or wrong, sometimes it can just be about winning the debate.

The other thing that crops up in forums quite a lot is that some peeps seem to confuse facts with opinions.

Often people will just accept something they have read, some statistics or whatever and then start shouting the odds like they are the expert on the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Considering all the people who on this site and their preferences, I don't think it's fair to criticise anyone for how they live their life or relationship.

Self reflection is needed for those who look down upon other people's opinions just because it doesn't fit in to their ideals or values.

More importantly...

Sitting on the fence can lead to something poking you where the sun don't shine YIKES!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Absolutely. I've been here for 2 and a half years altogether but I have only recently I've looked at the forums. I've enjoyed the conversation and I have actually started gaining confidence I didn't even know I lacked in my right to have an opinion. I haven't had abuse back from any of my posts, I'm assuming because I word my opinions in a nice way without insulting people. I can honestly say I am open minded on here and in my daytime life and there no groups of people I dislike. "

I wasn't allowed to have an opinion for a very long time, so now I am fiercely protective of myself and others having the right to voice their opinions. And a friend gave me my confidence back so it's all good.

I don't agree with people sometimes but I always listen to what they have to say. I don't understand why some people seem to think their opinion is 'right' and somehow overrules everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different."

This seems pretty short sighted. It is possible to be just plain wrong. For example, if one person is of the opinion that there is a God and another is of the opinion that there is no God, it's pretty clear that at least one of them MUST be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"In MY opinion

I think the ability to debate/argue is a skill in itself and it need not always be about right or wrong, sometimes it can just be about winning the debate.

The other thing that crops up in forums quite a lot is that some peeps seem to confuse facts with opinions. I love it when people do this. I was once sent a link to boycott a certain large company for not supporting our soldiers, a few clicks later and I found a photo of our troops in Iraq enjoying this product that was sent to them for free from this company. I sent this back and have been ignored ever since oops.

Often people will just accept something they have read, some statistics or whatever and then start shouting the odds like they are the expert on the subject."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ooops I posted my bit about the troops in your bit. Sorry still getting used to posting on my phone x

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

More importantly...

Sitting on the fence can lead to something poking you where the sun don't shine YIKES!

"

I sometimes cannot help but balancing on the fence when I can genuinely see two or more sides, perspectives and they all have a point. Tough one.. maintaining that balance without fear of being poked

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"I take comfort in thinking that if everybody disagrees with you….!.

You are either entirely right or they are entirely wrong….!. "

What she said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keyboard warriors

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different.

This seems pretty short sighted. It is possible to be just plain wrong. For example, if one person is of the opinion that there is a God and another is of the opinion that there is no God, it's pretty clear that at least one of them MUST be wrong."
Well yes, an opinion is a belief based on what you believe you know, not necessarily based on fact. Unproven opinions are simply theories, so yes technically one does have to be wrong lol.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I go back to the example I frequently use : Imagine an accident witnessed by 5 people from different angles. The police arrive to take statements. They will receive 5 different versions of the same event and that is just taking into account the position the witnesses had. It does not yet account for the witnesses' prejudgment of the driver(s), their own experience and judgment of the driver (young, old, scruffy or professional looking) etc.

All 5 will be (hopefully) telling the truth but there will be variations, ie 5 truths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yet their profile says they are an open minded couple

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Lol, I'm worried now about what open minded actually means

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I've been told I was wrong on a couple of occasions... but time tends to prove otherwise... as it has yet again

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different.

This seems pretty short sighted. It is possible to be just plain wrong. For example, if one person is of the opinion that there is a God and another is of the opinion that there is no God, it's pretty clear that at least one of them MUST be wrong."

Yes, but how do you find out who is wrong in that scenario? What one person thinks is 'Gods will' the other will think is a naturally occuring phenomenon. Its like reincarnation - you won't find out til you're dead, by which time its way too late to tell anyone.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different.

This seems pretty short sighted. It is possible to be just plain wrong. For example, if one person is of the opinion that there is a God and another is of the opinion that there is no God, it's pretty clear that at least one of them MUST be wrong.

Yes, but how do you find out who is wrong in that scenario? What one person thinks is 'Gods will' the other will think is a naturally occuring phenomenon. Its like reincarnation - you won't find out til you're dead, by which time its way too late to tell anyone."
agreed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Absolutely. I've been here for 2 and a half years altogether but I have only recently I've looked at the forums. I've enjoyed the conversation and I have actually started gaining confidence I didn't even know I lacked in my right to have an opinion. I haven't had abuse back from any of my posts, I'm assuming because I word my opinions in a nice way without insulting people. I can honestly say I am open minded on here and in my daytime life and there no groups of people I dislike.

I wasn't allowed to have an opinion for a very long time, so now I am fiercely protective of myself and others having the right to voice their opinions. And a friend gave me my confidence back so it's all good.

I don't agree with people sometimes but I always listen to what they have to say. I don't understand why some people seem to think their opinion is 'right' and somehow overrules everyone else."
I think finding your voice suddenly helps you to hear others. It is all to easy to forget to speak when you don't think people would care, your opinion and mine are just as valid as everyone else's

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


" It is all to easy to forget to speak when you don't think people would care, your opinion and mine are just as valid as everyone else's"
Spot on - every person has a right to have an opinion and also to voice it where appropriate, and not be ridiculed or bullied for it.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

The thing I have noticed on many forums is.... how easy it is for some to type what a rational, well balanced, considerate blar blar blar they are.... but when it comes to walking the walk (in real life away from the keyboard where they can carefully consider the impact of their reply) they have gout in both feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the problem can be when people get overly protective of their own opinion on a matter.

Nothing wrong with that in itself but when someone brings something new or different to the table, that cherished opinion is seen to be rubbished or not taken as seriously.

We don't full swap, others couples do.

I love King Prawns, MissD hates Shellfish.

I don't smoke, MissD does.

So we obviously have different opinions but do not let it get in the way respecting each other and other people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, but how do you find out who is wrong in that scenario? What one person thinks is 'Gods will' the other will think is a naturally occuring phenomenon. Its like reincarnation - you won't find out til you're dead, by which time its way too late to tell anyone."

I never said anything about finding out who is wrong. It's an example of a scenario where at least one IS wrong, finding out who is wrong has nothing to do with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well yes, an opinion is a belief based on what you believe you know, not necessarily based on fact. Unproven opinions are simply theories, so yes technically one does have to be wrong lol."

So there are wrong opinions then, aren't there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

More importantly...

Sitting on the fence can lead to something poking you where the sun don't shine YIKES!

I sometimes cannot help but balancing on the fence when I can genuinely see two or more sides, perspectives and they all have a point. Tough one.. maintaining that balance without fear of being poked"

Ask a lady riding a swing at a swingers club about keeping a balance without getting poked lol. Very hard job indeed (no pun intended )

I learnt a long time ago to not take sides without hearing both sides of the argument so you're right in that respect.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I think the problem can be when people get overly protective of their own opinion on a matter.

Nothing wrong with that in itself but when someone brings something new or different to the table, that cherished opinion is seen to be rubbished or not taken as seriously.

We don't full swap, others couples do.

I love King Prawns, MissD hates Shellfish.

I don't smoke, MissD does.

So we obviously have different opinions but do not let it get in the way respecting each other and other people.

"
And it is about a continuous renegotiation of the "rules" of your relationship, I guess

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Yes, but how do you find out who is wrong in that scenario? What one person thinks is 'Gods will' the other will think is a naturally occuring phenomenon. Its like reincarnation - you won't find out til you're dead, by which time its way too late to tell anyone.

I never said anything about finding out who is wrong. It's an example of a scenario where at least one IS wrong, finding out who is wrong has nothing to do with it."

I agree with your premise, as thats an either-or situation. However two differing opinions may have neither wrong, or both wrong. Opinions are subjective to the person holding them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with your premise, as thats an either-or situation. However two differing opinions may have neither wrong, or both wrong. Opinions are subjective to the person holding them."

Subjective in what sense? Obviously they belong to the person holding them, as a mental state or something like that.

Obviously you can isolate two opinions that are both wrong, or two that are both right. All I was saying is that there are wrong opinions, I think you're reading too much into this.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I agree with your premise, as thats an either-or situation. However two differing opinions may have neither wrong, or both wrong. Opinions are subjective to the person holding them.

Subjective in what sense? Obviously they belong to the person holding them, as a mental state or something like that.

Obviously you can isolate two opinions that are both wrong, or two that are both right. All I was saying is that there are wrong opinions, I think you're reading too much into this."

Possibly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Agreed, although you could argue over who is wrong or right in this scenario,this is a tricky one and a very good point. Neither of these people can prove whether god is real or not, however the closest one of those sides have come is scientific evidence which therefore have more factual evidence in their favour perhaps. However, whether it is right to tell a believer they are wrong or whether it is simply kinder to say" I personally don't agree with you because..." is really the point.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Just had a bright thought

An opinion really cannot ever be wrong, can it?

As it is personal and based on personal evaluation, validation, experience etc... it has justification in its own right, no matter how odd it may seem to others.

A hypothesis can be false, an argument can be illogical, but an opinion can not really be wrong I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can be quite hard/difficult to distinguish between subjective opinion and objective evidence for some.

If my opinions can be demonstrated to be wrong by objective evidence, then I shall put my hand up to say I am wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some opinions can be based upon popular media and we all know some of the tripe they talk about is absolutely wrong.

Just because I'm wearing a hoody does not make me a suspect person. I'm just cold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opinions are like arseholes,everyone's got one

Although hitting caps lock will certainly validate it

Possibly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just had a bright thought

An opinion really cannot ever be wrong, can it?

As it is personal and based on personal evaluation, validation, experience etc... it has justification in its own right, no matter how odd it may seem to others.

A hypothesis can be false, an argument can be illogical, but an opinion can not really be wrong I think."

Of course opinions can be wrong. Even really well justified beliefs can be wrong. You could believe (or hold the opinion that) your friend Jones owns a Ford after seeing photos of him in a Ford on Facebook (If Gettier had written in the age of social networking :P), speaking to him personally and being told he drives a Ford, that would be a pretty well justified belief. But it could easily be false if he'd sold his Ford earlier that day to buy something else.

There are opinions, such as ethical judgements, that are maybe not the sorts of things that can be wrong. Maybe "abortion is wrong" and statements like that don't actually say anything about the world in some sense, they don't have what it takes to be right or wrong.

That doesn't mean, though, that no opinions can be wrong.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Just had a bright thought

An opinion really cannot ever be wrong, can it?

As it is personal and based on personal evaluation, validation, experience etc... it has justification in its own right, no matter how odd it may seem to others.

A hypothesis can be false, an argument can be illogical, but an opinion can not really be wrong I think.

Of course opinions can be wrong. Even really well justified beliefs can be wrong. You could believe (or hold the opinion that) your friend Jones owns a Ford after seeing photos of him in a Ford on Facebook (If Gettier had written in the age of social networking :P), speaking to him personally and being told he drives a Ford, that would be a pretty well justified belief. But it could easily be false if he'd sold his Ford earlier that day to buy something else.

There are opinions, such as ethical judgements, that are maybe not the sorts of things that can be wrong. Maybe "abortion is wrong" and statements like that don't actually say anything about the world in some sense, they don't have what it takes to be right or wrong.

That doesn't mean, though, that no opinions can be wrong."

I disagree. Per definition

an opinion is a _iew or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

So as I might hold that (even if it factually wrong) the opinion itself, as subjective, is not. I guess we are splitting a hair...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just had a bright thought

An opinion really cannot ever be wrong, can it?

As it is personal and based on personal evaluation, validation, experience etc... it has justification in its own right, no matter how odd it may seem to others.

A hypothesis can be false, an argument can be illogical, but an opinion can not really be wrong I think.

Of course opinions can be wrong. Even really well justified beliefs can be wrong. You could believe (or hold the opinion that) your friend Jones owns a Ford after seeing photos of him in a Ford on Facebook (If Gettier had written in the age of social networking :P), speaking to him personally and being told he drives a Ford, that would be a pretty well justified belief. But it could easily be false if he'd sold his Ford earlier that day to buy something else.

There are opinions, such as ethical judgements, that are maybe not the sorts of things that can be wrong. Maybe "abortion is wrong" and statements like that don't actually say anything about the world in some sense, they don't have what it takes to be right or wrong.

That doesn't mean, though, that no opinions can be wrong."

So his opinion that jones owns a ford isn't incorrect.

its factually incorrect but that's not the same thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I disagree. Per definition

an opinion is a _iew or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

So as I might hold that (even if it factually wrong) the opinion itself, as subjective, is not. I guess we are splitting a hair..."

So you're saying that opinions can be false or incorrect but in some sense that doesn't make them "wrong"?

I'm not really sure I follow, it seems like you're using "wrong" to just mean "bad" or "unjustified" and that, in English, isn't what "wrong" means...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So his opinion that jones owns a ford isn't incorrect.

its factually incorrect but that's not the same thing"

If Jones doesn't own a Ford then anything that says Jones does own a Ford is incorrect, surely?

There's some very weird terminology going on in here...

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

everyone is welcome to disagree with my opinion.. it is cool

I won't lose a nano second of sleep

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"I love hearing other people's points of _iew and life would be boring if we were all he same. I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different. Of course there is always a way of voicing that opinion with as little insult to others as possible. I have read a thread today that showed no tollerance for others and was rather nasty about a certain group of people. In conclusion I think the only opinion that is wrong are from those intolerant of others and theirs."

yes, like someone not liking Star Wars in the over rated films thread. What is the world coming to, eh?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I disagree. Per definition

an opinion is a _iew or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

So as I might hold that (even if it factually wrong) the opinion itself, as subjective, is not. I guess we are splitting a hair...

So you're saying that opinions can be false or incorrect but in some sense that doesn't make them "wrong"?

I'm not really sure I follow, it seems like you're using "wrong" to just mean "bad" or "unjustified" and that, in English, isn't what "wrong" means..."
No. I am saying that an opinion can be based on incorrect information, but people can still have a _iew (opinion) on what they believe to be right - therefore it is not the opinion that is wrong. It is the fact/ narrative etc leading to the opinion that is wrong.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"everyone is welcome to disagree with my opinion.. it is cool

I won't lose a nano second of sleep"
You are so cruel sometimes. I expected you to have a sleepless night over my opinion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So his opinion that jones owns a ford isn't incorrect.

its factually incorrect but that's not the same thing

If Jones doesn't own a Ford then anything that says Jones does own a Ford is incorrect, surely?

There's some very weird terminology going on in here..."

The opinion was based on evidence presented.Its a personal belief not factual knowledge

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"everyone is welcome to disagree with my opinion.. it is cool

I won't lose a nano second of sleepYou are so cruel sometimes. I expected you to have a sleepless night over my opinion! "

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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

My fave's DILLIGAF

Wolf

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

It is my opinion that opinions can be wrong... but I could be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The opinion was based on evidence presented.Its a personal belief not factual knowledge"

I'm not sure what "factual knowledge" is meant to mean but beliefs are truth-apt, if anything is. If you believe something, which means the same as holding that something to be true, and what you believe is in fact false how can your belief not be incorrect?

It can be well justified, reliably formed and all that, sure, but that's different to whether it's true or false, correct or incorrect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I am saying that an opinion can be based on incorrect information, but people can still have a _iew (opinion) on what they believe to be right - therefore it is not the opinion that is wrong. It is the fact/ narrative etc leading to the opinion that is wrong."

So, you mean the actual state of affairs is wrong? It's somehow wrong for Jones to have sold his Ford?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"No. I am saying that an opinion can be based on incorrect information, but people can still have a _iew (opinion) on what they believe to be right - therefore it is not the opinion that is wrong. It is the fact/ narrative etc leading to the opinion that is wrong.

So, you mean the actual state of affairs is wrong? It's somehow wrong for Jones to have sold his Ford?"
No again. I am not using the Jones story as a basis as you are now bringing in whethe or not is was wrong to have sold a car.

All I am saying is this: When I have an opinion on something eg that alcohol should be banned as it causes more deaths in the UK than drugs, this opinion may be relying on truth (alcohol causing x amounts whereas drugs cause Y amount of deaths per annum) or what I believe to be truth. It is not my opinion (alcohol should be banned) that is wrong. It is what is leading up to my formulating an opinion that may or be be wrong/ untrue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No again. I am not using the Jones story as a basis as you are now bringing in whethe or not is was wrong to have sold a car.

All I am saying is this: When I have an opinion on something eg that alcohol should be banned as it causes more deaths in the UK than drugs, this opinion may be relying on truth (alcohol causing x amounts whereas drugs cause Y amount of deaths per annum) or what I believe to be truth. It is not my opinion (alcohol should be banned) that is wrong. It is what is leading up to my formulating an opinion that may or be be wrong/ untrue."

Ok, that's an example of a value (in this case moral) judgement. It's questionable what exactly value judgements are and are not, but it seems fairly reasonable to suggest they're not truth-apt.

Not all opinions are value judgements though, to jump back to an example from earlier if you're of the opinion that God exists that's a claim about the world, it's either true or false. God exists, or He doesn't.

Unless you think (and this is where it might get interesting) opinions have to be value judgements, they're distinct from beliefs in that beliefs are about true/false facts about the world and opinions are value judgements. Or something like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My Nan always used to say

Opinions are like arse holes, we all have one only some are full of shit

Still names me laugh

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"No again. I am not using the Jones story as a basis as you are now bringing in whethe or not is was wrong to have sold a car.

All I am saying is this: When I have an opinion on something eg that alcohol should be banned as it causes more deaths in the UK than drugs, this opinion may be relying on truth (alcohol causing x amounts whereas drugs cause Y amount of deaths per annum) or what I believe to be truth. It is not my opinion (alcohol should be banned) that is wrong. It is what is leading up to my formulating an opinion that may or be be wrong/ untrue.

Ok, that's an example of a value (in this case moral) judgement. It's questionable what exactly value judgements are and are not, but it seems fairly reasonable to suggest they're not truth-apt.

Not all opinions are value judgements though, to jump back to an example from earlier if you're of the opinion that God exists that's a claim about the world, it's either true or false. God exists, or He doesn't.

Unless you think (and this is where it might get interesting) opinions have to be value judgements, they're distinct from beliefs in that beliefs are about true/false facts about the world and opinions are value judgements. Or something like that."

For one, I would argue that it is not necessarily a moral value/ judgment as I might be looking simply at how many deaths a year are caused by what and what the financial implications are. Or I might want to know this info for further research on prevention... Or whatever else.

2. Also the business about God existing or not as the case maybe... what about the existence of more than one God ...

I think the problem is partly semantic and partly proving the point that two people can approach a situation, arrive at an opinion in very different ways and with varying results, some of which may be due to experience, education, upbringing, moral landscape etc.

Interesting - whichever way

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"My Nan always used to say

Opinions are like arse holes, we all have one only some are full of shit

Still names me laugh"
Probably the best quote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For one, I would argue that it is not necessarily a moral value/ judgment as I might be looking simply at how many deaths a year are caused by what and what the financial implications are. Or I might want to know this info for further research on prevention... Or whatever else."

Well, 'Alcohol should be banned' is certainly a value judgement but 'it causes more deaths...' doesn't seem to be. Perhaps that type of opinion is confusing because of vagueness?


"2. Also the business about God existing or not as the case maybe... what about the existence of more than one God ... "

Absolutely, it's probably not a dichotomy. The theist and atheist could both be wrong. Their beliefs are both still truth-apt though, they are both individually true or false.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Contrary opinions don't bother me. They often make me think.

Ignorance which leads to intolerance pisses me off hugely. I end up leaving threads as I know I could get into a nasty slanging match in which all would come out badly.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Contrary opinions don't bother me. They often make me think.

Ignorance which leads to intolerance pisses me off hugely. I end up leaving threads as I know I could get into a nasty slanging match in which all would come out badly."

Thats a very valid point, have revisited my position on some issues before on the basis of a well put debate..

whilst ignorance of an issue can be addressed which may alter an intolerant _iewpoint if the said holder is open to it..

some other _iewpoints are much harder to alter or even change..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lol, I'm worried now about what open minded actually means "

Open minded only to what they believe is acceptable maybe?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Contrary opinions don't bother me. They often make me think.

Ignorance which leads to intolerance pisses me off hugely. I end up leaving threads as I know I could get into a nasty slanging match in which all would come out badly."
I find that irritating, too. I can accept anybody's opinions, whatever based on, but I do struggle with intolerance.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village


"I love hearing other people's points of _iew and life would be boring if we were all he same. I've never seen anyone else's opinion as "wrong" just different. Of course there is always a way of voicing that opinion with as little insult to others as possible. I have read a thread today that showed no tollerance for others and was rather nasty about a certain group of people. In conclusion I think the only opinion that is wrong are from those intolerant of others and theirs."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we re all entitled to our own _iew points i agree with that, i have noticed on here at times if someone says something in the past he has been nothing short of bullied and made of ridical at times . i am at times just leave things alone but have watched this forum with interst really as i think evryone is entitled to say something and thats what makes the world goes round .enjoyx

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