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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well." What is your nationality? Or do you hold dual? I can't talk. I'm stateless and don't belong to any country. F | |||
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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well." Similar situation myself.. tho 4 generations ago. At one time it was all about integration, now its all about diversity. It's total bollocks tbh. It's impossible to really categorise people like me and you . We will probably be considered not foreign enough for the latest political trend . | |||
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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well. What is your nationality? Or do you hold dual? I can't talk. I'm stateless and don't belong to any country. F" . My parents came from Cyprus we are Greek Cypriot | |||
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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well. Similar situation myself.. tho 4 generations ago. At one time it was all about integration, now it’s all about diversity. It's total bollocks tbh. It's impossible to really categorise people like me and you . We will probably be considered not foreign enough for the latest political trend . " . My parents came from Cyprus we are Greek Cypriot | |||
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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well. Similar situation myself.. tho 4 generations ago. At one time it was all about integration, now it’s all about diversity. It's total bollocks tbh. It's impossible to really categorise people like me and you . We will probably be considered not foreign enough for the latest political trend . . My parents came from Cyprus we are Greek Cypriot " Mine where from Spain. | |||
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Reported." we've told the home office I died. The life insurance have paid out and the home office now aren't looking for me. Fuck!
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.)" Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. | |||
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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well. What is your nationality? Or do you hold dual? I can't talk. I'm stateless and don't belong to any country. F" I thought that wasn't possible. Or did Tom Hanks lie to me? | |||
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me!" I tolerate you. | |||
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me! I tolerate you. " One step away from love | |||
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"My parents came to the UK in the early 1960’s so they are classed as foreigners.What about me born and raised in London am I a foreigner as well. What is your nationality? Or do you hold dual? I can't talk. I'm stateless and don't belong to any country. F I thought that wasn't possible. Or did Tom Hanks lie to me?" To be stateless? It's possible, unfortunately. I've been in this limbo for a number of years. Only recent new laws have meant I can try and get nationality 
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me! I tolerate you. One step away from love" It’s basically a marriage at this point. | |||
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me! I tolerate you. One step away from love It’s basically a marriage at this point." This explains the lack of sex. | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. " That old chestnut…. It’s like the story about the person who made loads of money even though he did not finish school and trying to suggest the the allegory was about education not being needed. You need to read my post, it is not about the immigrants not being able to make the most of the opportunity afforded them by moving to a first world economy, it is about us making sure that we bring people into the country that we need. I love the optimism of some people who think that we are somehow able to absorb those that are not supplying resources in the areas where we have gaps. | |||
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me! I tolerate you. One step away from love It’s basically a marriage at this point. This explains the lack of sex." You need to put more effort in. Help with housework, maybe buy me flowers every once in a while and I might let you touch the peen. | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. That old chestnut…. It’s like the story about the person who made loads of money even though he did not finish school and trying to suggest the the allegory was about education not being needed. You need to read my post, it is not about the immigrants not being able to make the most of the opportunity afforded them by moving to a first world economy, it is about us making sure that we bring people into the country that we need. I love the optimism of some people who think that we are somehow able to absorb those that are not supplying resources in the areas where we have gaps. " What chestnut? My GG arrived in Liverpool just before the start of the 20th century. We know from research back in his home country that the family were very poor and he had nothing. The family were slaughterhouse workers and butchers. But he did not take that profession in the UK. He became a dealer in "antique plate and jewellery", running his own shop in Rodney St, eventually. The clock that stood in the window for people to set their watches by, stands in my Dad's dining room. My GG died not long after WW2, leaving an Estate of considerable value. We don't know how he came to work in the jewellery trade, we do know he was ostracised by the local Jewish community because he married a non Jewish woman and had his kids baptised, maybe he just met the right person to give him a leg up? The 1891 census has him living in shared lodging in Kensington, Liverpool, which is still a very poor area. The property was demolished in slum clearances. By 1921, he was living in a house in an exclusive area near the University. Like chalk and cheese. The above is 100% true. We'll never know how he did it, but an unqualified, penniless man made his "millions" and died a rich man, in a beautiful house near the river, on the Wirral side. I'm not telling you the name of the house, but I know it and it still is there today. | |||
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me! I tolerate you. One step away from love It’s basically a marriage at this point. This explains the lack of sex. You need to put more effort in. Help with housework, maybe buy me flowers every once in a while and I might let you touch the peen." I want a divorce | |||
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"I like people from all over the world. Unless you’re a Mackem. Ahhhh you like me! I tolerate you. One step away from love It’s basically a marriage at this point. This explains the lack of sex. You need to put more effort in. Help with housework, maybe buy me flowers every once in a while and I might let you touch the peen. I want a divorce " I am truly devastated. | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. That old chestnut…. It’s like the story about the person who made loads of money even though he did not finish school and trying to suggest the the allegory was about education not being needed. You need to read my post, it is not about the immigrants not being able to make the most of the opportunity afforded them by moving to a first world economy, it is about us making sure that we bring people into the country that we need. I love the optimism of some people who think that we are somehow able to absorb those that are not supplying resources in the areas where we have gaps. What chestnut? My GG arrived in Liverpool just before the start of the 20th century. We know from research back in his home country that the family were very poor and he had nothing. The family were slaughterhouse workers and butchers. But he did not take that profession in the UK. He became a dealer in "antique plate and jewellery", running his own shop in Rodney St, eventually. The clock that stood in the window for people to set their watches by, stands in my Dad's dining room. My GG died not long after WW2, leaving an Estate of considerable value. We don't know how he came to work in the jewellery trade, we do know he was ostracised by the local Jewish community because he married a non Jewish woman and had his kids baptised, maybe he just met the right person to give him a leg up? The 1891 census has him living in shared lodging in Kensington, Liverpool, which is still a very poor area. The property was demolished in slum clearances. By 1921, he was living in a house in an exclusive area near the University. Like chalk and cheese. The above is 100% true. We'll never know how he did it, but an unqualified, penniless man made his "millions" and died a rich man, in a beautiful house near the river, on the Wirral side. I'm not telling you the name of the house, but I know it and it still is there today. " But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply." There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. " If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens." We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. | |||
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"Oh, I didn't know the thread had turned already. Ignore my previous comment "It's alright, the offspring of the Indian shop owners are now pretty valiently trying to keep the NHS afloat. We salute your parents and grandparents for coming to the UK! We keep poaching nurses from India too, still. | |||
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"What are your thoughts on foreigners? Yes, I’m one of them. " I have liked the ones I have met. They’ve always been polite and interested. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles." But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense." Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. If the qualifications aren't recognised then they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards. Same goes for speaking English. We have a responsibility to take asylum cases when they are presented. We don't have a responsibility to teach them the language and train them. It's funny because the argument we usually hear for asylum seekers wanting to get to the UK is family ties and common language. " There is a difference between speaking English at a conversational level vs speaking English at a level that would enable you to work in skilled industries, such as medicine, teaching, engineering etc. But I'm sure your French GCSE would equip you to become a brain surgeon in France very effectively, no? Just because the UK doesn't immediately recognise the medical degrees or teaching quals etc of immigrants, does not mean they are unskilled. They require relatively minimal retraining in general and orientation to the NHS ways of working (where this applies) and other cultural differences. For example, the duty of teachers in safeguarding young people and the reasons why you might make a safeguarding referral are very different here vs in other countries. We're not going to stop asylum seekers and refugees from coming here, no matter what noise the Govt makes. We have an opportunity to enable some of those inward immigrants to use their existing skills to enrich this nation, rather than having them languishing in Travelodges. I don't understand why we would choose the latter, rather than the former. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. If the qualifications aren't recognised then they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards. Same goes for speaking English. We have a responsibility to take asylum cases when they are presented. We don't have a responsibility to teach them the language and train them. It's funny because the argument we usually hear for asylum seekers wanting to get to the UK is family ties and common language. There is a difference between speaking English at a conversational level vs speaking English at a level that would enable you to work in skilled industries, such as medicine, teaching, engineering etc. But I'm sure your French GCSE would equip you to become a brain surgeon in France very effectively, no? Just because the UK doesn't immediately recognise the medical degrees or teaching quals etc of immigrants, does not mean they are unskilled. They require relatively minimal retraining in general and orientation to the NHS ways of working (where this applies) and other cultural differences. For example, the duty of teachers in safeguarding young people and the reasons why you might make a safeguarding referral are very different here vs in other countries. We're not going to stop asylum seekers and refugees from coming here, no matter what noise the Govt makes. We have an opportunity to enable some of those inward immigrants to use their existing skills to enrich this nation, rather than having them languishing in Travelodges. I don't understand why we would choose the latter, rather than the former." I thoroughly agree. But the government seem intent on stirring up xenophobia against asylum seekers whilst still not providing a safe, legal route. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. If the qualifications aren't recognised then they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards. Same goes for speaking English. We have a responsibility to take asylum cases when they are presented. We don't have a responsibility to teach them the language and train them. It's funny because the argument we usually hear for asylum seekers wanting to get to the UK is family ties and common language. There is a difference between speaking English at a conversational level vs speaking English at a level that would enable you to work in skilled industries, such as medicine, teaching, engineering etc. But I'm sure your French GCSE would equip you to become a brain surgeon in France very effectively, no? Just because the UK doesn't immediately recognise the medical degrees or teaching quals etc of immigrants, does not mean they are unskilled. They require relatively minimal retraining in general and orientation to the NHS ways of working (where this applies) and other cultural differences. For example, the duty of teachers in safeguarding young people and the reasons why you might make a safeguarding referral are very different here vs in other countries. We're not going to stop asylum seekers and refugees from coming here, no matter what noise the Govt makes. We have an opportunity to enable some of those inward immigrants to use their existing skills to enrich this nation, rather than having them languishing in Travelodges. I don't understand why we would choose the latter, rather than the former." Would be nice if you quit with the condescension for a start. As I stated 'they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards', that is not the same as saying they are unskilled. I actually agree that we should be utilising any skills they may have but I don't agree the UK taxpayers should be paying for it. Imagine the outrage if we pushed 'skilled workers' to the front of the queue whilst unskilled asylum seekers 'languish', not that I believe they actually do languish anywhere. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. If the qualifications aren't recognised then they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards. Same goes for speaking English. We have a responsibility to take asylum cases when they are presented. We don't have a responsibility to teach them the language and train them. It's funny because the argument we usually hear for asylum seekers wanting to get to the UK is family ties and common language. There is a difference between speaking English at a conversational level vs speaking English at a level that would enable you to work in skilled industries, such as medicine, teaching, engineering etc. But I'm sure your French GCSE would equip you to become a brain surgeon in France very effectively, no? Just because the UK doesn't immediately recognise the medical degrees or teaching quals etc of immigrants, does not mean they are unskilled. They require relatively minimal retraining in general and orientation to the NHS ways of working (where this applies) and other cultural differences. For example, the duty of teachers in safeguarding young people and the reasons why you might make a safeguarding referral are very different here vs in other countries. We're not going to stop asylum seekers and refugees from coming here, no matter what noise the Govt makes. We have an opportunity to enable some of those inward immigrants to use their existing skills to enrich this nation, rather than having them languishing in Travelodges. I don't understand why we would choose the latter, rather than the former. Would be nice if you quit with the condescension for a start. As I stated 'they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards', that is not the same as saying they are unskilled. I actually agree that we should be utilising any skills they may have but I don't agree the UK taxpayers should be paying for it. Imagine the outrage if we pushed 'skilled workers' to the front of the queue whilst unskilled asylum seekers 'languish', not that I believe they actually do languish anywhere. " I think there'd be less outrage if it resulted in more doctors, dentists, teachers, engineers and suchlike. All the racists would have to bite their lip and let Mr. Asylum Seeking Dentist fix their dodgy molars at NHS prices. I'm not sure how forcing people to remain in cheap hotels, sharing rooms with strangers, on boats and long-defunct military camps miles from anywhere, is anything other than letting them languish? Where can they go? What can they do with next to no money? | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. If the qualifications aren't recognised then they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards. Same goes for speaking English. We have a responsibility to take asylum cases when they are presented. We don't have a responsibility to teach them the language and train them. It's funny because the argument we usually hear for asylum seekers wanting to get to the UK is family ties and common language. There is a difference between speaking English at a conversational level vs speaking English at a level that would enable you to work in skilled industries, such as medicine, teaching, engineering etc. But I'm sure your French GCSE would equip you to become a brain surgeon in France very effectively, no? Just because the UK doesn't immediately recognise the medical degrees or teaching quals etc of immigrants, does not mean they are unskilled. They require relatively minimal retraining in general and orientation to the NHS ways of working (where this applies) and other cultural differences. For example, the duty of teachers in safeguarding young people and the reasons why you might make a safeguarding referral are very different here vs in other countries. We're not going to stop asylum seekers and refugees from coming here, no matter what noise the Govt makes. We have an opportunity to enable some of those inward immigrants to use their existing skills to enrich this nation, rather than having them languishing in Travelodges. I don't understand why we would choose the latter, rather than the former. Would be nice if you quit with the condescension for a start. As I stated 'they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards', that is not the same as saying they are unskilled. I actually agree that we should be utilising any skills they may have but I don't agree the UK taxpayers should be paying for it. Imagine the outrage if we pushed 'skilled workers' to the front of the queue whilst unskilled asylum seekers 'languish', not that I believe they actually do languish anywhere. I think there'd be less outrage if it resulted in more doctors, dentists, teachers, engineers and suchlike. All the racists would have to bite their lip and let Mr. Asylum Seeking Dentist fix their dodgy molars at NHS prices. I'm not sure how forcing people to remain in cheap hotels, sharing rooms with strangers, on boats and long-defunct military camps miles from anywhere, is anything other than letting them languish? Where can they go? What can they do with next to no money? " You kind of lose it when you start talking about racists et al. It's the standard go to, isn't it. Only its not true for majority of the population, is it? Asylum seekers are in the country seeking asylum. We grant them asylum whilst we process their claims, once approved they are then refugees and can do as they please within reason. Until that point, they are kept in safe accommodation, they don't actually have a choice where that is. They are here and safe, that's really all that matters. Processing time is another discussion. | |||
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" You kind of lose it when you start talking about racists et al. It's the standard go to, isn't it. Only its not true for majority of the population, is it? Asylum seekers are in the country seeking asylum. We grant them asylum whilst we process their claims, once approved they are then refugees and can do as they please within reason. Until that point, they are kept in safe accommodation, they don't actually have a choice where that is. They are here and safe, that's really all that matters. Processing time is another discussion." It's interesting that Ukrainian refugees were not subject to the same level of hate from the British population as those fleeing wars in Afghanistan or Syria. I wonder why? The UK Govt has spent a lot of taxpayers money on schemes for Ukraine. Why not the same attitudes from the population at large? Who knows. Once in receipt of refugee status, the individual who has previously been a doctor, dentist, teacher etc is still in possession of their prior quals and work experience from home; still at whatever level of English they arrived with and still with as little money. Whether people are officially asylum seekers or refugees, there would need to be inward investment to get people to a level to work in the skilled areas where we have gaps. There are pilot schemes running, for example, in Liverpool, for nurses. What people receive in inward funding to retrain is dwarfed by the tax paying potential they have once they can work in the NHS. It's a no-brainer. https://www.nhsemployers.org/news/supporting-refugees-employment-talent-beyond-boundaries | |||
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" You kind of lose it when you start talking about racists et al. It's the standard go to, isn't it. Only its not true for majority of the population, is it? Asylum seekers are in the country seeking asylum. We grant them asylum whilst we process their claims, once approved they are then refugees and can do as they please within reason. Until that point, they are kept in safe accommodation, they don't actually have a choice where that is. They are here and safe, that's really all that matters. Processing time is another discussion. It's interesting that Ukrainian refugees were not subject to the same level of hate from the British population as those fleeing wars in Afghanistan or Syria. I wonder why? The UK Govt has spent a lot of taxpayers money on schemes for Ukraine. Why not the same attitudes from the population at large? Who knows. Once in receipt of refugee status, the individual who has previously been a doctor, dentist, teacher etc is still in possession of their prior quals and work experience from home; still at whatever level of English they arrived with and still with as little money. Whether people are officially asylum seekers or refugees, there would need to be inward investment to get people to a level to work in the skilled areas where we have gaps. There are pilot schemes running, for example, in Liverpool, for nurses. What people receive in inward funding to retrain is dwarfed by the tax paying potential they have once they can work in the NHS. It's a no-brainer. https://www.nhsemployers.org/news/supporting-refugees-employment-talent-beyond-boundaries" You've kind of moved the conservation quite far from where it started. You're original point was training at 20k/year. That isn't 'already qualified' level retraining. If we are offering some training and language skills to immigrants then we should also be offering it to our own citizens. It's cool though because we can just run around calling people racists, that'll get them to see the error of their ways. | |||
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". But that is not the point. God bless your granddaddy but this is not 60 years ago. Empire is dead and so is our economy. We need productive people with skills that fill the gaps in areas that are in current short supply. Nurses, engineers, Qualified Gas And Electrical tradespeople, teachers. What we don’t need is street traders and labourers pretending to be refugees instead of what they are… economic migrants with basic skills that we already have in plentiful supply. There are plenty of skilled asylum seekers, but we don't allow them to work and most cannot study unless they pay full international fees (£20k per year plus). We could offer training in these shortage areas, alongside English language and cultural awareness lessons. But we don't. We abandon people on barges, isolate them on ex-military bases and surround Travelodges with security guards and arbitrary rules. If asylum seekers are skilled in accordance with our list, they can apply for a visa. Why should we offer free training without charge? We don't offer it to our citizens. We shouldn't be charging our own citizens for taking college courses either. If the new(ish) fees for post-19 education at L3 and above were abolished, we'd have far more home grown people filling vacancies. At present, if you take a L3 course straight from school (which you usually select around a year before taking up the place) but find you don't like it or there's few jobs, you are stuck. Unless you are willing to take up Learner Loans to retrain, you just stay with what you have. There are fewer apprenticeships options at post 19 now too. We should be targeting educational investment at the areas where we have shortages, rather than charging people through the nose and expecting them to get into massive debt. Re: skilled asylum seeker visas, this doesn't help those who lack the requisite level of English or whose qualifications are not accepted as directly comparable for entry into skilled UK roles. Many doctors, dentists and teachers need to retrain at least in part, before being eligible to practice/work in the UK, and obviously a certain level of English (usually IELTS 7.0/7.5+) is required for roles in medical/dental and education roles. But we do charge them, so until we don't then why should we not charge anyone who isn't a citizen? Of course English should be a prerequisite to enable someone to work as a doctor/dentist. Again, why should they be taught English free of charge? If someone wants to apply for a skilled work visa then they can learn English. It sounds to me like we should just give everything away at our own expense. Imagine you had to flee your country at short notice and end up somewhere where you don't speak the language and your qualifications aren't recognised. The Govt places you in a closed environment, surrounded by other people who also don't speak the local language. There are no provisions made for helping you integrate. How would you acquire the local language to the level required to work in a professional, public facing role?? Or, we could just spaff loads of money on keeping such people as isolated as possible, on barges on the sea and then complain like little children that we have skills gaps, no dentists and our children are being taught Biology by PE teachers. That works too. If the qualifications aren't recognised then they aren't skilled workers, at least not to UK standards. Same goes for speaking English. We have a responsibility to take asylum cases when they are presented. We don't have a responsibility to teach them the language and train them. It's funny because the argument we usually hear for asylum seekers wanting to get to the UK is family ties and common language. There is a difference between speaking English at a conversational level vs speaking English at a level that would enable you to work in skilled industries, such as medicine, teaching, engineering etc. But I'm sure your French GCSE would equip you to become a brain surgeon in France very effectively, no? Just because the UK doesn't immediately recognise the medical degrees or teaching quals etc of immigrants, does not mean they are unskilled. They require relatively minimal retraining in general and orientation to the NHS ways of working (where this applies) and other cultural differences. For example, the duty of teachers in safeguarding young people and the reasons why you might make a safeguarding referral are very different here vs in other countries. We're not going to stop asylum seekers and refugees from coming here, no matter what noise the Govt makes. We have an opportunity to enable some of those inward immigrants to use their existing skills to enrich this nation, rather than having them languishing in Travelodges. I don't understand why we would choose the latter, rather than the former. I thoroughly agree. But the government seem intent on stirring up xenophobia against asylum seekers whilst still not providing a safe, legal route. " Well to be fair, that’s what their base want to hear. | |||
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"^^^At their own cost. Not anyone else's. I'm pointing out how impossible it is for an asylum seeker to afford to educate themselves to a professional standard. The same course for a UK student would be around £9500" Most universities' fees for the majority of subjects fell somewhere between £10,000 – £20,000. That's for a full time course. Not some 'retraining'. It would be a much easier and more open conversation if you weren't trying to inflate things to try to prove some sort of point. | |||
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" You kind of lose it when you start talking about racists et al. It's the standard go to, isn't it. Only its not true for majority of the population, is it? Asylum seekers are in the country seeking asylum. We grant them asylum whilst we process their claims, once approved they are then refugees and can do as they please within reason. Until that point, they are kept in safe accommodation, they don't actually have a choice where that is. They are here and safe, that's really all that matters. Processing time is another discussion. It's interesting that Ukrainian refugees were not subject to the same level of hate from the British population as those fleeing wars in Afghanistan or Syria. I wonder why? The UK Govt has spent a lot of taxpayers money on schemes for Ukraine. Why not the same attitudes from the population at large? Who knows. Once in receipt of refugee status, the individual who has previously been a doctor, dentist, teacher etc is still in possession of their prior quals and work experience from home; still at whatever level of English they arrived with and still with as little money. Whether people are officially asylum seekers or refugees, there would need to be inward investment to get people to a level to work in the skilled areas where we have gaps. There are pilot schemes running, for example, in Liverpool, for nurses. What people receive in inward funding to retrain is dwarfed by the tax paying potential they have once they can work in the NHS. It's a no-brainer. https://www.nhsemployers.org/news/supporting-refugees-employment-talent-beyond-boundaries" I think, with the Ukrainian refugees, people think they're here temporarily until they can return home, so don't see them as a drain on the system . Maybe. I'm just glad I don't have to leave my home and country for whatever reason. I do blame our Government for not putting the money into resources and infrastructure as our population numbers climbed. That put a strain on councils to house them-as most weren't emigrating with pots of cash behind them and joined the housing queue under EEA rules-pushing some people way down the housing list who had been waiting years. Also, schools weren't being built quickly enough, and GPs not paid enough to keep them here, meaning waiting times for appointments rocketed. People blame migrants, illegal immigrants, refugees when it's the Government sitting on our money. | |||
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" You kind of lose it when you start talking about racists et al. It's the standard go to, isn't it. Only its not true for majority of the population, is it? Asylum seekers are in the country seeking asylum. We grant them asylum whilst we process their claims, once approved they are then refugees and can do as they please within reason. Until that point, they are kept in safe accommodation, they don't actually have a choice where that is. They are here and safe, that's really all that matters. Processing time is another discussion. It's interesting that Ukrainian refugees were not subject to the same level of hate from the British population as those fleeing wars in Afghanistan or Syria. I wonder why? The UK Govt has spent a lot of taxpayers money on schemes for Ukraine. Why not the same attitudes from the population at large? Who knows. Once in receipt of refugee status, the individual who has previously been a doctor, dentist, teacher etc is still in possession of their prior quals and work experience from home; still at whatever level of English they arrived with and still with as little money. Whether people are officially asylum seekers or refugees, there would need to be inward investment to get people to a level to work in the skilled areas where we have gaps. There are pilot schemes running, for example, in Liverpool, for nurses. What people receive in inward funding to retrain is dwarfed by the tax paying potential they have once they can work in the NHS. It's a no-brainer. https://www.nhsemployers.org/news/supporting-refugees-employment-talent-beyond-boundaries I think, with the Ukrainian refugees, people think they're here temporarily until they can return home, so don't see them as a drain on the system . Maybe. I'm just glad I don't have to leave my home and country for whatever reason. I do blame our Government for not putting the money into resources and infrastructure as our population numbers climbed. That put a strain on councils to house them-as most weren't emigrating with pots of cash behind them and joined the housing queue under EEA rules-pushing some people way down the housing list who had been waiting years. Also, schools weren't being built quickly enough, and GPs not paid enough to keep them here, meaning waiting times for appointments rocketed. People blame migrants, illegal immigrants, refugees when it's the Government sitting on our money. " There are quite a lot of Ukrainian refugees who wish to remain in the UK, or their children do now that they've become settled in schools, universities, jobs etc. Why didn't we offer temporary settlement to refugees from other wars? We (the UK) have no way of knowing how long the conflict in Ukraine will last, it's actually been going on since 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea. | |||
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"^^^At their own cost. Not anyone else's. I'm pointing out how impossible it is for an asylum seeker to afford to educate themselves to a professional standard. The same course for a UK student would be around £9500 Most universities' fees for the majority of subjects fell somewhere between £10,000 – £20,000. That's for a full time course. Not some 'retraining'. It would be a much easier and more open conversation if you weren't trying to inflate things to try to prove some sort of point. At present, we have no mechanisms for recognising the prior education and experience of people from professions such as medicine, in many countries. The only option for these people is to start again from scratch here, by attending and passing a full university degree course. The average international student fee (which applies to most asylum seekers) is £22,000. Although there are some courses with fees as low as £11,000, I can assure you they are NOT the sorts of degrees one would need to take to become a highly skilled professional in areas of shortage in the UK. International fees for medicine are usually £30k+ Because retraining themselves from scratch is impossible for asylum seekers, and probably also for refugees (who pay UK student fees of £9250), it would be more effective to instead look to recognise the pre existing qualifications and experience, and offer training such as that being piloted in Liverpool, which is aimed at bringing existing skills in line with British standards; building English language levels and cultural adjustment to the UK ways of working. That's what I'm trying to get at. So we currently have no mechanism at all? If this is the case (you may well be correct) how and why do we have so many foreign doctors, dentists and nurses in the UK? Are you telling me all of them came to the UK and retrained from scratch? I really do find that hard to believe. " For medicine specifically, they come from countries where we DO recognise the qualifications/prior experience or they trained in the EU, the USA or here (or certain other countries which the NHS deems equivalent to UK training). It's not just the country where the qual is from, but also the specific institution. Some degrees from certain institutions are acceptable but not those from other institutions. For other professions, there are similar criteria, e.g. education, dentistry, engineering of different kinds. In addition to recognition of prior education/experience, one might be required to sit professional exams here in the UK, e.g. to become a Chartered Engineer | |||
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"^^^At their own cost. Not anyone else's. I'm pointing out how impossible it is for an asylum seeker to afford to educate themselves to a professional standard. The same course for a UK student would be around £9500 Most universities' fees for the majority of subjects fell somewhere between £10,000 – £20,000. That's for a full time course. Not some 'retraining'. It would be a much easier and more open conversation if you weren't trying to inflate things to try to prove some sort of point. At present, we have no mechanisms for recognising the prior education and experience of people from professions such as medicine, in many countries. The only option for these people is to start again from scratch here, by attending and passing a full university degree course. The average international student fee (which applies to most asylum seekers) is £22,000. Although there are some courses with fees as low as £11,000, I can assure you they are NOT the sorts of degrees one would need to take to become a highly skilled professional in areas of shortage in the UK. International fees for medicine are usually £30k+ Because retraining themselves from scratch is impossible for asylum seekers, and probably also for refugees (who pay UK student fees of £9250), it would be more effective to instead look to recognise the pre existing qualifications and experience, and offer training such as that being piloted in Liverpool, which is aimed at bringing existing skills in line with British standards; building English language levels and cultural adjustment to the UK ways of working. That's what I'm trying to get at. So we currently have no mechanism at all? If this is the case (you may well be correct) how and why do we have so many foreign doctors, dentists and nurses in the UK? Are you telling me all of them came to the UK and retrained from scratch? I really do find that hard to believe. For medicine specifically, they come from countries where we DO recognise the qualifications/prior experience or they trained in the EU, the USA or here (or certain other countries which the NHS deems equivalent to UK training). It's not just the country where the qual is from, but also the specific institution. Some degrees from certain institutions are acceptable but not those from other institutions. For other professions, there are similar criteria, e.g. education, dentistry, engineering of different kinds. In addition to recognition of prior education/experience, one might be required to sit professional exams here in the UK, e.g. to become a Chartered Engineer" How do we square the circle or 'we have no mechanisms for recognising prior education'. We clearly do have. | |||
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"Just curiosity. I believe that the majority are English on this site. People are quite friendly It was hard to get used to at first. If you come from a small country, you have to get used to these loud cities and big crowds. Because I work in the construction industry, was struggle with quality. It was not acceptable to me. But it's been several years now and I'm not even complaining about the rainy weather :D Working hard an doing my best to deliver high quality to clients. If I could go back to my country. I would definitely do that. Unfortunately, due to family reasons, I can't. " Well, if you're ok with the weather, you've definitely settled in. | |||
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"Just curiosity. I believe that the majority are English on this site. People are quite friendly It was hard to get used to at first. If you come from a small country, you have to get used to these loud cities and big crowds. Because I work in the construction industry, was struggle with quality. It was not acceptable to me. But it's been several years now and I'm not even complaining about the rainy weather :D Working hard an doing my best to deliver high quality to clients. If I could go back to my country. I would definitely do that. Unfortunately, due to family reasons, I can't. Well, if you're ok with the weather, you've definitely settled in. "I miss winter with snow and all the joys that come with it. | |||
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"Just curiosity. I believe that the majority are English on this site. People are quite friendly It was hard to get used to at first. If you come from a small country, you have to get used to these loud cities and big crowds. Because I work in the construction industry, was struggle with quality. It was not acceptable to me. But it's been several years now and I'm not even complaining about the rainy weather :D Working hard an doing my best to deliver high quality to clients. If I could go back to my country. I would definitely do that. Unfortunately, due to family reasons, I can't. What do you think of the food here?" I'm not a fan of fast food, but love fish and chips sometimes. There are a lot of dishes that I like or have become used to over the years. I also make homemade food and my English colleagues call it dog food :D | |||
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"Just curiosity. I believe that the majority are English on this site. People are quite friendly It was hard to get used to at first. If you come from a small country, you have to get used to these loud cities and big crowds. Because I work in the construction industry, was struggle with quality. It was not acceptable to me. But it's been several years now and I'm not even complaining about the rainy weather :D Working hard an doing my best to deliver high quality to clients. If I could go back to my country. I would definitely do that. Unfortunately, due to family reasons, I can't. What do you think of the food here? I'm not a fan of fast food, but love fish and chips sometimes. There are a lot of dishes that I like or have become used to over the years. I also make homemade food and my English colleagues call it dog food :D" Dog food? Is that food from your homeland? They're probably used to Pot Noodles and microwave lasagne | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. " British people never learned this skill. Since the 1980’s they’ve always wanted the government to feed them and wipe their asses. | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. British people never learned this skill. Since the 1980’s they’ve always wanted the government to feed them and wipe their asses." All of them. Really.  | |||
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"Just curiosity. I believe that the majority are English on this site. People are quite friendly It was hard to get used to at first. If you come from a small country, you have to get used to these loud cities and big crowds. Because I work in the construction industry, was struggle with quality. It was not acceptable to me. But it's been several years now and I'm not even complaining about the rainy weather :D Working hard an doing my best to deliver high quality to clients. If I could go back to my country. I would definitely do that. Unfortunately, due to family reasons, I can't. What do you think of the food here? I'm not a fan of fast food, but love fish and chips sometimes. There are a lot of dishes that I like or have become used to over the years. I also make homemade food and my English colleagues call it dog food :D Dog food? Is that food from your homeland? They're probably used to Pot Noodles and microwave lasagne "Yes, from homeland. You are right about pot noodles | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. British people never learned this skill. Since the 1980’s they’ve always wanted the government to feed them and wipe their asses." I disagree. It's the same as with any people from any nation - some are hard working, some are not. | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. British people never learned this skill. Since the 1980’s they’ve always wanted the government to feed them and wipe their asses. I disagree. It's the same as with any people from any nation - some are hard working, some are not." If the government did not give so many benefits. People would be forced to develop themselves and work. | |||
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"Provided they arrive via the legal route with skills that we need and are willing to embrace our culture and way of life, they are a valuable way of rejuvenating our economy and create the wealth required to pay benefits to the lazy, self entitled brits who aren’t prepared to study and work for a living. (Yes, Yes! There are legitimate claimants of benefits but we are the most unluckiest nation as we have a disproportionate number of lazy people who take the piss out of what should be a system for honest people to help them back into a self sufficient living.) Oh dear. My Great Grandfather came here without a penny to his name. No qualifications we are aware of. He lived initially in squalid digs in Liverpool but somehow, his streets were paved with gold and when he died, around 60 years after arriving, he was a very wealthy man. I'm not clear what, if any rules applied to immigration from Europe at the time, so he might even have been illegally here initially. But here we are, a family of hard workers. British people never learned this skill. Since the 1980’s they’ve always wanted the government to feed them and wipe their asses. I disagree. It's the same as with any people from any nation - some are hard working, some are not. If the government did not give so many benefits. People would be forced to develop themselves and work." Most benefit claimants are already working | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over " To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad "The UK is racist though | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad "20yrs ago in the Northwest, we DID have people petrol bombing, due to race riots. This happened in Oldham. Although we don't have the same level of violence now, the tensions remain between different communities and there is an ongoing lack of integration and inter-community understanding. The chap's experience is understandable, knowing he's from the NW. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though "The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are | |||
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I for one am stunned it did. Stunned. Who'd have thunk it.
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are "British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing. "They have and its poor, there's no denying that. I'd urge you to take a look into other countries, find out whether they even want to carry out the enquiries we do. The fact that we carry out said enquiries tells me that we would like to do something to progress. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing.
They have and its poor, there's no denying that.
I'd urge you to take a look into other countries, find out whether they even want to carry out the enquiries we do.
The fact that we carry out said enquiries tells me that we would like to do something to progress."I honestly couldn't care less about other countries. This is this country. We're supposed to be a well developed, democratic nation and position ourselves as a beacon of all that is wonderful. We should damned well set the standard, not excuse our failings because Country B is worse. It's not a competition to be the least worst institutionally racist country on Earth. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are "The windrush scandal sounds pretty racist. The Met is institutionally racist, english cricket can go in the basket as the met police. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing.
They have and its poor, there's no denying that.
I'd urge you to take a look into other countries, find out whether they even want to carry out the enquiries we do.
The fact that we carry out said enquiries tells me that we would like to do something to progress.
I honestly couldn't care less about other countries. This is this country. We're supposed to be a well developed, democratic nation and position ourselves as a beacon of all that is wonderful. We should damned well set the standard, not excuse our failings because Country B is worse. It's not a competition to be the least worst institutionally racist country on Earth. "Pf course you couldn't care less because it doesn't suit the narrative. The fact is that the UK are a million miles ahead of an awful lotbof the rest of the world. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing.
They have and its poor, there's no denying that.
I'd urge you to take a look into other countries, find out whether they even want to carry out the enquiries we do.
The fact that we carry out said enquiries tells me that we would like to do something to progress.
I honestly couldn't care less about other countries. This is this country. We're supposed to be a well developed, democratic nation and position ourselves as a beacon of all that is wonderful. We should damned well set the standard, not excuse our failings because Country B is worse. It's not a competition to be the least worst institutionally racist country on Earth.
Pf course you couldn't care less because it doesn't suit the narrative.
The fact is that the UK are a million miles ahead of an awful lotbof the rest of the world."Whether Saudi Arabia is institutionally racist (it is) or China is (it also is), doesn't impact me or the people around me much. What does impact me and the people around me is what happens here in the UK. Like I said, it's not a race to the bottom. We can and should lead the way on dismantling institutional racism, but instead we have politicians who drive racist agendas by weaponising immigrants and demonising certain groups of people. We have the biggest Police force in the UK deemed institutionally racist yet we are supposed to trust them to keep us safe. Yeah, I'm not on board with that. We have to do a lot better. And that's coming from an apparently white woman who isn't in an ethnic group likely to experience racism. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing.
They have and its poor, there's no denying that.
I'd urge you to take a look into other countries, find out whether they even want to carry out the enquiries we do.
The fact that we carry out said enquiries tells me that we would like to do something to progress.
I honestly couldn't care less about other countries. This is this country. We're supposed to be a well developed, democratic nation and position ourselves as a beacon of all that is wonderful. We should damned well set the standard, not excuse our failings because Country B is worse. It's not a competition to be the least worst institutionally racist country on Earth.
Pf course you couldn't care less because it doesn't suit the narrative.
The fact is that the UK are a million miles ahead of an awful lotbof the rest of the world.
Whether Saudi Arabia is institutionally racist (it is) or China is (it also is), doesn't impact me or the people around me much. What does impact me and the people around me is what happens here in the UK. Like I said, it's not a race to the bottom. We can and should lead the way on dismantling institutional racism, but instead we have politicians who drive racist agendas by weaponising immigrants and demonising certain groups of people. We have the biggest Police force in the UK deemed institutionally racist yet we are supposed to trust them to keep us safe.
Yeah, I'm not on board with that. We have to do a lot better. And that's coming from an apparently white woman who isn't in an ethnic group likely to experience racism. "No one asked you to be on board. My first statement on this was, some people are racist, the UK isn't racist, that would imply everyone, you and I included are racist. You say we can and should be leading the way, WE ARE. Of course there's an awful long way to go, that still doesn't remove the facts. You may not feel that racism in other countries impacts you, that doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact, it does. | |||
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The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
The windrush scandal sounds pretty racist. The Met is institutionally racist, english cricket can go in the basket as the met police."What’s also racist is the way that the windrush scandal and the historic racism of Boris Johnson wasn’t central to debate leading up to election, and ultimately didn’t matter at all to the British people. | |||
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"The UK has a racism problem. Whether it's better or worse than other countries is irrelevant. It's not really irrelevant unless you just want to focus on the UK and not worldwide issues. I thought we all wanted a better WORLD? I live here. Caring about the issues in other countries is important but the citizens of a nation are best placed to improve their experiences in that nation. So I’m focusing on where I live and the racism I experience here. " Hence I said 'just want to focus on the UK', of course the UK will be more important, and were still too far away. That doesn't remove the fact that whilst way may to too far away, we are actually leading the way. Anyway, thought you didn't want to interact with me? | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
The windrush scandal sounds pretty racist. The Met is institutionally racist, english cricket can go in the basket as the met police.
What’s also racist is the way that the windrush scandal and the historic racism of Boris Johnson wasn’t central to debate leading up to election, and ultimately didn’t matter at all to the British people. "People won't like it but public figures like Johnson and Farage are a reflection on the population. No one had an issue with Johnson until he partied during covid, the racism was rewarded with Number 10. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
The windrush scandal sounds pretty racist. The Met is institutionally racist, english cricket can go in the basket as the met police.
What’s also racist is the way that the windrush scandal and the historic racism of Boris Johnson wasn’t central to debate leading up to election, and ultimately didn’t matter at all to the British people.
People won't like it but public figures like Johnson and Farage are a reflection on the population. No one had an issue with Johnson until he partied during covid, the racism was rewarded with Number 10. "Er, I think people did have an issue with Johnson before the parties. He's always been an incompetent, arrogant fool. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
The windrush scandal sounds pretty racist. The Met is institutionally racist, english cricket can go in the basket as the met police.
What’s also racist is the way that the windrush scandal and the historic racism of Boris Johnson wasn’t central to debate leading up to election, and ultimately didn’t matter at all to the British people.
People won't like it but public figures like Johnson and Farage are a reflection on the population. No one had an issue with Johnson until he partied during covid, the racism was rewarded with Number 10.
Er, I think people did have an issue with Johnson before the parties. He's always been an incompetent, arrogant fool. "And racist. He’s always been racist but the press and his voters seemingly did not care at all about that. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
The windrush scandal sounds pretty racist. The Met is institutionally racist, english cricket can go in the basket as the met police.
What’s also racist is the way that the windrush scandal and the historic racism of Boris Johnson wasn’t central to debate leading up to election, and ultimately didn’t matter at all to the British people.
People won't like it but public figures like Johnson and Farage are a reflection on the population. No one had an issue with Johnson until he partied during covid, the racism was rewarded with Number 10. "100%. | |||
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"Wow some comments on here you may aswell admit that your racist! Some lovely comments too ( feeling the love ppz ) it bugs me I’ve been here longer then what I’ve been in my country for over 15y I’ve paid my taxes ( yes I do agree illegal immigrants shouldnt be here) but some British ppl slanders us because we come here take their jobs blah blah blah but their ok seating at home getting paid of our tax money ( never mind a lot of them seats at home coz they too lazy to work or too posh to work in warehouse! ). A Fact 70% of UK hospitals DRS are foreigners, again without them we wouldn’t have the great NHS we do! Also it’s not ok we come here but ok for millions of brits move aboard and live their lives in different countries? Honest i call this small minded ppl, ppl like this need to be educated they really do. Please dont get me wrong i call UK home now! my kids are english and I have meet so many fantastic ppl here infact my first language might aswell be English lol but makes my blood boil as 20y ago we had nothing but racist ppl, Petrol bomb friends house, smashing houses up , bullying older ppl, groups of lads beating up someone who is just walking on street minding their own business, all because they foreigners ! WE ALL HUMANS WE ALL COME SAME WAY TO THIS EARTH WE ALL GOING OUT THE SAME WAY! Rant over To be fair you seem really upset over this? Which is understandable, but as a now British national you'll no doubt understand from the last 15yrs that it is a very small island, land mass wise? That we do take in a fair share of immigrants and asylum seekers? Probably far more than other larger countries do. You've clearly made a home here, and that is wonderful, and to be applauded... But calling the UK worse than shit, and racist, and whatever is not so much? My half siblings are mixed race, they are attending school, uni, working. Just going about their daily lives. Nobody is petrol bombing their houses for being non-White. I absolutely agree that the NHS numbers were boosted around 15trs ago by an influx of mainly Asian workers... But your daily accounts seem skewed a tad
The UK is racist though
The UK isn't racist though. Some people are, just as some people in every country are
British institutions, such as the Police (and others), have been shown via inquiry and investigation, to be institutionally racist. That's pretty poor showing.
They have and its poor, there's no denying that.
I'd urge you to take a look into other countries, find out whether they even want to carry out the enquiries we do.
The fact that we carry out said enquiries tells me that we would like to do something to progress.
I honestly couldn't care less about other countries. This is this country. We're supposed to be a well developed, democratic nation and position ourselves as a beacon of all that is wonderful. We should damned well set the standard, not excuse our failings because Country B is worse. It's not a competition to be the least worst institutionally racist country on Earth. "People seem to struggle to understand that "least racist" is still racist. | |||
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" People seem to struggle to understand that "least racist" is still racist. They understand. They don’t care. Sad but true. " Some people only care about things that immediately harm them. Not even if it indirectly harms them and sometimes not even when it harms people they love. It's short sighted and this attitude is an indictment on those who have it. | |||
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"The UK has a racism problem. Whether it's better or worse than other countries is irrelevant. Sally a group of white people said it doesn't so you and all the black and Asian people who experience racism must be lying "Quite minorities receive more racism than black or Asian | |||
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Quite minorities receive more racism than black or Asian
Quite?
White. I should proof read
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