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 ), but like I stated, an overview.
Re climate change it shows a graph that depicts change from the 1800s and shows human Vs natural effects (solar, volcanic). The greatest change has been in the last fifty years (through human activity). I found it interesting but wouldn't use it as evidence because I didn't look into the source.
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To be honest, if this theory was proved, wouldn't it be the greatest hoax of all time? But I'd say genius imagination to the "father(s) of the hoax". It wouldn't have any effect on my life though. | |||
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"Everyone believes at least one thing that is not true. Almost all of us believe a _lot_ of things that are not true and yet we also all believe that we are rational and that our world view is correct. We tend to take on “facts” that reinforce our world view and discount ”facts” that contradict it - irrespective of whether they are actually true or not." I believe you 
Actually I do agree with the last paragraph.
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers?" look the human race doing everything to try and make things easier so eventually its bound to have an adverse effect on climate in the 4 years covid has existed i have carried on my life as normal and not caught it, they are attempting to move away from fossil fuels but what will that mean in the future how will they find this extra electricity and what adverse affect will that have on the planet, ultimately i believe in the process of evolution as humans continually abuse the planet the planet will ultimately get rid of them | |||
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"Facts may be incorrect or not accurate, but not everything has to be a hoax or theory. People just sometimes get it wrong." Everything is a theory but not necessarily testable at this moment in time. Take the theory of man can fly. That was a supposition that was inaccurate until proved right with the right equipment. | |||
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers?look the human race doing everything to try and make things easier so eventually its bound to have an adverse effect on climate in the 4 years covid has existed i have carried on my life as normal and not caught it, they are attempting to move away from fossil fuels but what will that mean in the future how will they find this extra electricity and what adverse affect will that have on the planet, ultimately i believe in the process of evolution as humans continually abuse the planet the planet will ultimately get rid of them "We have been rather complacent with our use of the earth and its materials. We have been selfish encroaching on other animals' ecosystems. Whatever theories we believe in, we should be aware of consequences of our actions or inactions. | |||
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers?" They all seem the same! Conspiracy nonsense. Like talking to theists. People who believe in ghosts, after life, spirits. No good evidence, in total denial, as frustrating as racists, bigots, “we want our country back” flat earthers, climate change deniers…..grrrrrrr | |||
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers? They all seem the same! Conspiracy nonsense. Like talking to theists. People who believe in ghosts, after life, spirits. No good evidence, in total denial, as frustrating as racists, bigots, “we want our country back” flat earthers, climate change deniers…..grrrrrrr" I can assure you they are not all the same (I noted seem). I am very much an "evidence -based person". I was a why child. IE tell me a fact and it'd be "but why?" I'm now a why person . However I believe in an omnipotent being and have had spiritual experiences. Why? God knows .
Maybe we just haven't learned to test the theory of god's existence yet. Interestingly it hasn't been disproved yet either.
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"Facts may be incorrect or not accurate, but not everything has to be a hoax or theory. People just sometimes get it wrong. Everything is a theory but not necessarily testable at this moment in time. Take the theory of man can fly. That was a supposition that was inaccurate until proved right with the right equipment." Use of language and twisting of words. As a creature humans can’t fly, that’s still true. Humans can however be transported by vehicles that can fly, or beat the effects of gravity. I’ve found many theorists will never back down and revert to calling you a sheep with closed eyes if you don’t agree with what they say. Many will not discus as an adult and attempt to listen to ideas, but instead force the view they have on you, if you don’t agree you need to wake up, or open your eyes etc. | |||
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"Facts may be incorrect or not accurate, but not everything has to be a hoax or theory. People just sometimes get it wrong. Everything is a theory but not necessarily testable at this moment in time. Take the theory of man can fly. That was a supposition that was inaccurate until proved right with the right equipment. Use of language and twisting of words. As a creature humans can’t fly, that’s still true. Humans can however be transported by vehicles that can fly, or beat the effects of gravity. I’ve found many theorists will never back down and revert to calling you a sheep with closed eyes if you don’t agree with what they say. Many will not discus as an adult and attempt to listen to ideas, but instead force the view they have on you, if you don’t agree you need to wake up, or open your eyes etc." Perhaps I would have been better off stating the theory man cannot fly until proved otherwise with the right equipment. The naysayers would say, if God wanted man to fly he'd have given man wings. No, instead man has a creative mind and through trial and error of equipment, proved naysayers wrong. Yep an adult debate is warranted, with both sides of the argument respecting the other's viewpoint. Trading insults or patronising language is churlish (unless it's banter ??). | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories but plenty have turned out to be true,America's psychic spy programme,LSD testing to make "super soldiers",Stealth Aircraft,in the early days of mobile phones:-hacking and finding someone from their signal,HEP/HIV in blood transfusions, the allegation of a cover up of that scandal was considered a conspiracy etc" I think I've read similar from you before.  | |||
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"Facts may be incorrect or not accurate, but not everything has to be a hoax or theory. People just sometimes get it wrong. Everything is a theory but not necessarily testable at this moment in time. Take the theory of man can fly. That was a supposition that was inaccurate until proved right with the right equipment. Use of language and twisting of words. As a creature humans can’t fly, that’s still true. Humans can however be transported by vehicles that can fly, or beat the effects of gravity. I’ve found many theorists will never back down and revert to calling you a sheep with closed eyes if you don’t agree with what they say. Many will not discus as an adult and attempt to listen to ideas, but instead force the view they have on you, if you don’t agree you need to wake up, or open your eyes etc. Perhaps I would have been better off stating the theory man cannot fly until proved otherwise with the right equipment. The naysayers would say, if God wanted man to fly he'd have given man wings. No, instead man has a creative mind and through trial and error of equipment, proved naysayers wrong. Yep an adult debate is warranted, with both sides of the argument respecting the other's viewpoint. Trading insults or patronising language is churlish (unless it's banter ??)." That’s exactly it. I have a friend from school who started off with the flat earth theory, he’s now obsessed with it to the point of saying NASA have put lights in the sky and the other planets don’t exist, they are holograms to fool us. We are no longer friends as he refers to me as a f@@@ing idiot who believes everything I’m told and need to open my eyes to reality. In reality (wether he’s right or wrong) he needs to understand how to communicate. I’ve never called him such things, rather gave him the opportunity to express his opinion, when I asked questions about it he simply refers me back to NASA setting it all up. | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories but plenty have turned out to be true,America's psychic spy programme,LSD testing to make "super soldiers",Stealth Aircraft,in the early days of mobile phones:-hacking and finding someone from their signal,HEP/HIV in blood transfusions, the allegation of a cover up of that scandal was considered a conspiracy etc I think I've read similar from you before. "That's just a conspiracy. | |||
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"Belief's and opinions are very different from facts. Sadly social media and the internet have allowed opinions to be conflated with facts and we have an explosion of conspiracy theory’s. Empirical evidence is a lot more real and believable than someone’s opinion or the mate who told them down the Pub! I think laughing at Conspiracy theory’s is the best answer. " There comes a point when you start crying. My mother is so deluded by conspiracy theories that she is mentally unstable. She associates with known unpleasant people and deliberately breaks the law to because she doesn't believe it applies to her. She now has nothing to do with me or my children, after she demonstrated that her belief in and willingness to follow the instructions of conspiracy theorists. She left two young children alone in a house then lied to my brother about it, after he trusted her to care for them. She left the house to meet a conspiracy theory "friend" who told her there was no law on how young you can leave children unattended (happens to be true, but who leaves 7yos alone?!) She is mentally unwell but refuses to seek help. She has placed herself and others in danger due to her "beliefs" and continues to put herself at risk for her beliefs. This is before we discuss the fact that her refusal to accept the existence of COVID resulted in my Grandfather's death from that same virus. I will never, EVER forgive her for that, nor forget my Grandfather's last words to me "she's not very wise is she, your Mum?" | |||
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"I don’t believe conspiracy theories put out on the inter web. Some of them are blatantly foolish, like flat Earth and the like. others slightly more plausible but usually enough evidence and common sense to debunk. I do however prefer to use my own intelligence and understanding to question parroted narratives that in my opinion are usually suit political or monetary gain. I do not like the way in recent years that it seems anyone who questions anything is labelled a wacko conspiracy nut. This just sounds like a convenient way to shut down any opposition." Questioning things is good. Seek out the rationale! Maybe I'm considered a wacko... But that's like water off a duck's back. | |||
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"Belief's and opinions are very different from facts. Sadly social media and the internet have allowed opinions to be conflated with facts and we have an explosion of conspiracy theory’s. Empirical evidence is a lot more real and believable than someone’s opinion or the mate who told them down the Pub! I think laughing at Conspiracy theory’s is the best answer. There comes a point when you start crying. My mother is so deluded by conspiracy theories that she is mentally unstable. She associates with known unpleasant people and deliberately breaks the law to because she doesn't believe it applies to her. She now has nothing to do with me or my children, after she demonstrated that her belief in and willingness to follow the instructions of conspiracy theorists. She left two young children alone in a house then lied to my brother about it, after he trusted her to care for them. She left the house to meet a conspiracy theory "friend" who told her there was no law on how young you can leave children unattended (happens to be true, but who leaves 7yos alone?!) She is mentally unwell but refuses to seek help. She has placed herself and others in danger due to her "beliefs" and continues to put herself at risk for her beliefs. This is before we discuss the fact that her refusal to accept the existence of COVID resulted in my Grandfather's death from that same virus. I will never, EVER forgive her for that, nor forget my Grandfather's last words to me "she's not very wise is she, your Mum?"" I'm sorry about your mother's mental health. She sounds quite vulnerable if she can be manipulated as you describe. | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories but plenty have turned out to be true,America's psychic spy programme,LSD testing to make "super soldiers",Stealth Aircraft,in the early days of mobile phones:-hacking and finding someone from their signal,HEP/HIV in blood transfusions, the allegation of a cover up of that scandal was considered a conspiracy etc I think I've read similar from you before.
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"I don’t believe conspiracy theories put out on the inter web. Some of them are blatantly foolish, like flat Earth and the like. others slightly more plausible but usually enough evidence and common sense to debunk. I do however prefer to use my own intelligence and understanding to question parroted narratives that in my opinion are usually suit political or monetary gain. I do not like the way in recent years that it seems anyone who questions anything is labelled a wacko conspiracy nut. This just sounds like a convenient way to shut down any opposition." The easiest way to silence/shut down someone asking questions is to throw out the conspiracy/tin foil hat comments.For example anyone questioning Neil Ferguson's predictions was labelled thus,but some of us knew of his wildly inaccurate predictions/modelling from 20 odd years ago,now widely known and accepted. | |||
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"I don’t believe conspiracy theories put out on the inter web. Some of them are blatantly foolish, like flat Earth and the like. others slightly more plausible but usually enough evidence and common sense to debunk. I do however prefer to use my own intelligence and understanding to question parroted narratives that in my opinion are usually suit political or monetary gain. I do not like the way in recent years that it seems anyone who questions anything is labelled a wacko conspiracy nut. This just sounds like a convenient way to shut down any opposition. The easiest way to silence/shut down someone asking questions is to throw out the conspiracy/tin foil hat comments.For example anyone questioning Neil Ferguson's predictions was labelled thus,but some of us knew of his wildly inaccurate predictions/modelling from 20 odd years ago,now widely known and accepted." Never heard of him. | |||
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"I don’t believe conspiracy theories put out on the inter web. Some of them are blatantly foolish, like flat Earth and the like. others slightly more plausible but usually enough evidence and common sense to debunk. I do however prefer to use my own intelligence and understanding to question parroted narratives that in my opinion are usually suit political or monetary gain. I do not like the way in recent years that it seems anyone who questions anything is labelled a wacko conspiracy nut. This just sounds like a convenient way to shut down any opposition. The easiest way to silence/shut down someone asking questions is to throw out the conspiracy/tin foil hat comments.For example anyone questioning Neil Ferguson's predictions was labelled thus,but some of us knew of his wildly inaccurate predictions/modelling from 20 odd years ago,now widely known and accepted. Never heard of him." He is the guy who was predicting hundreds of thousands of deaths per week (in the UK)from covid.His favourite figure is 250k,although he did predict 500k animals will die of Foot and Mouth on UK farms during the last outbreak,it was in the tens and they were slaughtered as a precaution. | |||
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"I don't deny it but I'm still absolutely fucking amazed mankind landed on the moon in the 60's. It was an insane feat. So crazy given all parameters that I can't help but feel mildly sceptical. There's just not enough evidence to tilt it away from it actually happening." But you're not saying it didn't happen. Unlike Roman whatshisface on Gogglebox. | |||
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"I don't deny it but I'm still absolutely fucking amazed mankind landed on the moon in the 60's. It was an insane feat. So crazy given all parameters that I can't help but feel mildly sceptical. There's just not enough evidence to tilt it away from it actually happening. But you're not saying it didn't happen. Unlike Roman whatshisface on Gogglebox." I don't watch that crap. | |||
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"I don’t believe conspiracy theories put out on the inter web. Some of them are blatantly foolish, like flat Earth and the like. others slightly more plausible but usually enough evidence and common sense to debunk. I do however prefer to use my own intelligence and understanding to question parroted narratives that in my opinion are usually suit political or monetary gain. I do not like the way in recent years that it seems anyone who questions anything is labelled a wacko conspiracy nut. This just sounds like a convenient way to shut down any opposition. The easiest way to silence/shut down someone asking questions is to throw out the conspiracy/tin foil hat comments.For example anyone questioning Neil Ferguson's predictions was labelled thus,but some of us knew of his wildly inaccurate predictions/modelling from 20 odd years ago,now widely known and accepted. Never heard of him. He is the guy who was predicting hundreds of thousands of deaths per week (in the UK)from covid.His favourite figure is 250k,although he did predict 500k animals will die of Foot and Mouth on UK farms during the last outbreak,it was in the tens and they were slaughtered as a precaution." I probably did come across his name then. | |||
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"I don't deny it but I'm still absolutely fucking amazed mankind landed on the moon in the 60's. It was an insane feat. So crazy given all parameters that I can't help but feel mildly sceptical. There's just not enough evidence to tilt it away from it actually happening. But you're not saying it didn't happen. Unlike Roman whatshisface on Gogglebox. I don't watch that crap. "Sorry, celeb Gogglebox. I prefer the normal Gogglebox. | |||
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"I don’t believe conspiracy theories put out on the inter web. Some of them are blatantly foolish, like flat Earth and the like. others slightly more plausible but usually enough evidence and common sense to debunk. I do however prefer to use my own intelligence and understanding to question parroted narratives that in my opinion are usually suit political or monetary gain. I do not like the way in recent years that it seems anyone who questions anything is labelled a wacko conspiracy nut. This just sounds like a convenient way to shut down any opposition. The easiest way to silence/shut down someone asking questions is to throw out the conspiracy/tin foil hat comments.For example anyone questioning Neil Ferguson's predictions was labelled thus,but some of us knew of his wildly inaccurate predictions/modelling from 20 odd years ago,now widely known and accepted. Never heard of him. He is the guy who was predicting hundreds of thousands of deaths per week (in the UK)from covid.His favourite figure is 250k,although he did predict 500k animals will die of Foot and Mouth on UK farms during the last outbreak,it was in the tens and they were slaughtered as a precaution." Ok, so he's a biologist. A lot of people knew that something like Covid would happen sooner or later - especially in that field. Obama talked about it in a speech about a decade ago because he was in on the loop from advisors. I'm fairly certain most people in a position of power knew it would be coming but were just woefully unprepared. There are indeed certain people who know best. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown." Given that science is ever changing, going against the grain is part of the parcel surely? | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown.Given that science is ever changing, going against the grain is part of the parcel surely?" I mean... it doesn't change *that* much. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown." I'm not a covid denier,let's get that clear from the start.Ferguson has a 20+ year track record of inaccurate modelling.Done properly modelling is based on the outcome of a range of factors,Ferguson starts with a desired outcome and makes adjustments to the factors to prove a strategy is correct.It was admitted by the government that a lot of modelling was done to show government policy was correct.Talking of flying in the face of science,what of the over 44k scientists(including Nobel prize winners) who signed the Great Barrington Declaration which urged nothing more than targeting protection resources at the most vulnerable?They were ignored.In the early days they were even accused by the BBC of being funded by the far right,a BBC conspiracy! | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown.Given that science is ever changing, going against the grain is part of the parcel surely? I mean... it doesn't change *that* much." In a few hundred years we've went from disease being caused by bad juju in the blood to being able to treat the majority of disease quickly and successfully. I'd say science is changing constantly and really quickly. I mean look at the moon landings, people now have more computing power in their pocket than what was used to send men into space 60 years ago. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown.Given that science is ever changing, going against the grain is part of the parcel surely? I mean... it doesn't change *that* much." Science can change a hell of a lot,Heroin used to be given as a treatment to get alcoholics off the booze because it was "safe",electric shock therapies "worked",science said that someone travelling faster than a horse could run would suffocate,a train travelling through a tunnel would cause the human body to implode,a respected mathematician of the day (whose name escapes me) produced a whole range of equations to prove it. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown. I'm not a covid denier,let's get that clear from the start.Ferguson has a 20+ year track record of inaccurate modelling.Done properly modelling is based on the outcome of a range of factors,Ferguson starts with a desired outcome and makes adjustments to the factors to prove a strategy is correct.It was admitted by the government that a lot of modelling was done to show government policy was correct.Talking of flying in the face of science,what of the over 44k scientists(including Nobel prize winners) who signed the Great Barrington Declaration which urged nothing more than targeting protection resources at the most vulnerable?They were ignored.In the early days they were even accused by the BBC of being funded by the far right,a BBC conspiracy!" I'm not saying you are a denier - I'm not attacking anyone. With regards to the rest... things like this get unnecessarily political. It's bizarre. You'd think you'd want the best placed people (scientists and advisors) to actually lead the way, but... | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown.Given that science is ever changing, going against the grain is part of the parcel surely? I mean... it doesn't change *that* much. Science can change a hell of a lot,Heroin used to be given as a treatment to get alcoholics off the booze because it was "safe",electric shock therapies "worked",science said that someone travelling faster than a horse could run would suffocate,a train travelling through a tunnel would cause the human body to implode,a respected mathematician of the day (whose name escapes me) produced a whole range of equations to prove it." ECT is still used and considered a viable treatment. I think science ought to contain itself to falsifiable claims. Well Sir Karl Popper did and I agree with him. I think there are tremendous advancements in science within our own lifetime and this is likely to be a continuing trend. Especially with the processing power AI can provide. | |||
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"In a few hundred years we've went from disease being caused by bad juju in the blood to being able to treat the majority of disease quickly and successfully. I'd say science is changing constantly and really quickly. I mean look at the moon landings, people now have more computing power in their pocket than what was used to send men into space 60 years ago." I did mention the moon landings earlier. Tbh I was thinking of shorter timespans, as in over my life... "Science can change a hell of a lot,Heroin used to be given as a treatment to get alcoholics off the booze because it was "safe",electric shock therapies "worked",science said that someone travelling faster than a horse could run would suffocate,a train travelling through a tunnel would cause the human body to implode,a respected mathematician of the day (whose name escapes me) produced a whole range of equations to prove it." Same as above... Science is only as good as what it known and has been discovered. And we know a hell of a lot more than we used to over the time periods you're both discussing. I'd listen to a recognised scientist over a politician/news outlet anyday (political affliations aside as they are some shady ones for sure). | |||
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"If you deny one are you more likely to deny others?" I've known a few people who buy the premium package and get 19 conspiracies for the price of one. Not really sure what that's about, tbh. However, I do also know a few people who - like me - believe 9/11 was an inside job, but don't believe any of the other big ones. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown. I'm not a covid denier,let's get that clear from the start.Ferguson has a 20+ year track record of inaccurate modelling.Done properly modelling is based on the outcome of a range of factors,Ferguson starts with a desired outcome and makes adjustments to the factors to prove a strategy is correct.It was admitted by the government that a lot of modelling was done to show government policy was correct.Talking of flying in the face of science,what of the over 44k scientists(including Nobel prize winners) who signed the Great Barrington Declaration which urged nothing more than targeting protection resources at the most vulnerable?They were ignored.In the early days they were even accused by the BBC of being funded by the far right,a BBC conspiracy!" The Great Barrington Declaration was a flawed thing, based on totally unsound "science" and written at a time when our understanding of SARS-CoV-2 was rudimentary at best. Herd immunity relates to controlled exposure via vaccination, not by a population catching the pathogen in a random manner. No herd immunity plan has ever involved just letting people catch a disease. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories because they’re usually started by or attract antisemites. " Also this  | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories because they’re usually started by or attract antisemites. " Is that really a thing?
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"Not into conspiracy theories because they’re usually started by or attract antisemites. Is that really a thing?
"Yes. Big time. It's not in the least bit funny because they rely on the very same anti Semitic, debunked writings that the Nazis used to justify their anti Jewish laws. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown." As long as the two opposing sides (where relevant) have scientific evidence then there is no conspiracy. | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories because they’re usually started by or attract antisemites. Is that really a thing?
Yes. Big time. It's not in the least bit funny because they rely on the very same anti Semitic, debunked writings that the Nazis used to justify their anti Jewish laws. "Proving politics and science shouldn't mix. Funny we don't hear the word propaganda any more. Has conspiracy theories taken over? | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown. I'm not a covid denier,let's get that clear from the start.Ferguson has a 20+ year track record of inaccurate modelling.Done properly modelling is based on the outcome of a range of factors,Ferguson starts with a desired outcome and makes adjustments to the factors to prove a strategy is correct.It was admitted by the government that a lot of modelling was done to show government policy was correct.Talking of flying in the face of science,what of the over 44k scientists(including Nobel prize winners) who signed the Great Barrington Declaration which urged nothing more than targeting protection resources at the most vulnerable?They were ignored.In the early days they were even accused by the BBC of being funded by the far right,a BBC conspiracy! The Great Barrington Declaration was a flawed thing, based on totally unsound "science" and written at a time when our understanding of SARS-CoV-2 was rudimentary at best. Herd immunity relates to controlled exposure via vaccination, not by a population catching the pathogen in a random manner. No herd immunity plan has ever involved just letting people catch a disease. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration" My understanding is that herd immunity is achieved through vaccination AND prior illness. If I remember correctly, it was originally spouted by bojo and cronies through exposure, until the modelling was done. Then the plan was made. | |||
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"Not into conspiracy theories because they’re usually started by or attract antisemites. Is that really a thing?
Yes. Big time. It's not in the least bit funny because they rely on the very same anti Semitic, debunked writings that the Nazis used to justify their anti Jewish laws.
Proving politics and science shouldn't mix.
Funny we don't hear the word propaganda any more. Has conspiracy theories taken over?"What's anti Semitism got to do with blending politics and science? Propaganda can include conspiracy theories. Just look at some politicians using conspiracy theories to spread propaganda during the COVID pandemic. | |||
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Yes. Big time. It's not in the least bit funny because they rely on the very same anti Semitic, debunked writings that the Nazis used to justify their anti Jewish laws. "Just suprises me is all. I've never heard of it before. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown. I'm not a covid denier,let's get that clear from the start.Ferguson has a 20+ year track record of inaccurate modelling.Done properly modelling is based on the outcome of a range of factors,Ferguson starts with a desired outcome and makes adjustments to the factors to prove a strategy is correct.It was admitted by the government that a lot of modelling was done to show government policy was correct.Talking of flying in the face of science,what of the over 44k scientists(including Nobel prize winners) who signed the Great Barrington Declaration which urged nothing more than targeting protection resources at the most vulnerable?They were ignored.In the early days they were even accused by the BBC of being funded by the far right,a BBC conspiracy! The Great Barrington Declaration was a flawed thing, based on totally unsound "science" and written at a time when our understanding of SARS-CoV-2 was rudimentary at best. Herd immunity relates to controlled exposure via vaccination, not by a population catching the pathogen in a random manner. No herd immunity plan has ever involved just letting people catch a disease. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration My understanding is that herd immunity is achieved through vaccination AND prior illness. If I remember correctly, it was originally spouted by bojo and cronies through exposure, until the modelling was done. Then the plan was made." To deliberately attempt to achieve herd immunity, no Govt that I'm aware of has ever tried to do this via randomly exposing its citizens to a pathogen. Herd immunity is a term coined to explain how vaccination works. That's the very origin of the term. In theory you could achieve herd immunity to some pathogens via natural exposure but it's very unlikely, given the predilection of pathogens for mutation. Very few vaccines use whole organism to stimulate the immune system, they use fragments/attenuated versions as antigens, rendering it generally much safer than exposing the person to the natural disease. If herd immunity via natural exposure was so effective, we'd not still be dealing with diseases like measles and diphtheria etc. The whole world is exposed to them, but the whole world is not vaccinated. | |||
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Yes. Big time. It's not in the least bit funny because they rely on the very same anti Semitic, debunked writings that the Nazis used to justify their anti Jewish laws.
Just suprises me is all. I've never heard of it before."It’s all from the old antisemitic myth about Jews being all powerful and in control of things. And Lots of hardcore conspiracy theorists believe that at the core of these theories ‘someone’ or ‘some group’ Is in control that’s why things happen or are covered up etc. and there will generally be people that follow these hardcore that believe that the someone or people are Jews. Just like Hitler and antisemites before him used to say. | |||
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"Who’s controlling the antisemites? That’s the real question. Other anti Semites, presumably?" Can’t be that simple…where’s the conspiracy in that! | |||
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"I’m a believer. There are different kinds of conspiracies. There’s flat Earth, climate change deniers, Aliens built the pyramids etc and all that crazy stuff but then there’s the stuff that’s more believable/realistic like Did the CIA kill JFK? Was 9/11 a inside job? Was the moon landing staged? Did the royal family merk Diana? I find this kind of stuff interesting/believable " One of these is not like the others - all of them are wildly speculative but "was the moon landing staged" should clearly go in the first group - as you seem to be separating scientific and non-scientific theories. | |||
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"One thing I know about conspiracy theorists is that facts don't matter, proof doesn't matter and if they are utterly debunked it must be another conspiracy. The safest thing is to just not talk to them." Pretty much this, yes. My own mother denies her name as it appears on her birth certificate, because the certificate itself is part of a Govt conspiracy to own your identity. Allocation of an NHS number renders you simply a number in the great machine that grinds us all down etc. My mother has given herself a new "name" (it's not called a name, because the word "name" is on her birth certificate and so is a further piece of evidence of the controlling something something). Her new "name" uses ancient English and a series of dashes. | |||
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"One thing I know about conspiracy theorists is that facts don't matter, proof doesn't matter and if they are utterly debunked it must be another conspiracy. The safest thing is to just not talk to them." This x 100 | |||
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Yes. Big time. It's not in the least bit funny because they rely on the very same anti Semitic, debunked writings that the Nazis used to justify their anti Jewish laws.
Proving politics and science shouldn't mix.
Funny we don't hear the word propaganda any more. Has conspiracy theories taken over?
What's anti Semitism got to do with blending politics and science?
Propaganda can include conspiracy theories. Just look at some politicians using conspiracy theories to spread propaganda during the COVID pandemic. "I had inferred you were stating Nazi science alongside Nazi politics. Which was done even if my inference was wrong. What conspiracy theories/propaganda did our politicians disseminate during covid? | |||
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"One thing I know about conspiracy theorists is that facts don't matter, proof doesn't matter and if they are utterly debunked it must be another conspiracy. The safest thing is to just not talk to them. Pretty much this, yes. My own mother denies her name as it appears on her birth certificate, because the certificate itself is part of a Govt conspiracy to own your identity. Allocation of an NHS number renders you simply a number in the great machine that grinds us all down etc. My mother has given herself a new "name" (it's not called a name, because the word "name" is on her birth certificate and so is a further piece of evidence of the controlling something something). Her new "name" uses ancient English and a series of dashes." It sounds like your mother was just itching to be taken in by a group of crazies. If it wasn't the conspiracy theorists it would have been some sort of cult. She sounds unwell 
...and that comes from someone who loves a good conspiracy theory. The difference being I can differentiate between reality and a fun theory to speculate on, JFK being a favourite. Not all so called conspiracy theorists are whack jobs despite what most in here believe. | |||
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"To answer your question though - I think if you fly in the face of science you are indeed a fucking clown. I'm not a covid denier,let's get that clear from the start.Ferguson has a 20+ year track record of inaccurate modelling.Done properly modelling is based on the outcome of a range of factors,Ferguson starts with a desired outcome and makes adjustments to the factors to prove a strategy is correct.It was admitted by the government that a lot of modelling was done to show government policy was correct.Talking of flying in the face of science,what of the over 44k scientists(including Nobel prize winners) who signed the Great Barrington Declaration which urged nothing more than targeting protection resources at the most vulnerable?They were ignored.In the early days they were even accused by the BBC of being funded by the far right,a BBC conspiracy! The Great Barrington Declaration was a flawed thing, based on totally unsound "science" and written at a time when our understanding of SARS-CoV-2 was rudimentary at best. Herd immunity relates to controlled exposure via vaccination, not by a population catching the pathogen in a random manner. No herd immunity plan has ever involved just letting people catch a disease. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration My understanding is that herd immunity is achieved through vaccination AND prior illness. If I remember correctly, it was originally spouted by bojo and cronies through exposure, until the modelling was done. Then the plan was made. To deliberately attempt to achieve herd immunity, no Govt that I'm aware of has ever tried to do this via randomly exposing its citizens to a pathogen. Herd immunity is a term coined to explain how vaccination works. That's the very origin of the term. In theory you could achieve herd immunity to some pathogens via natural exposure but it's very unlikely, given the predilection of pathogens for mutation. Very few vaccines use whole organism to stimulate the immune system, they use fragments/attenuated versions as antigens, rendering it generally much safer than exposing the person to the natural disease. If herd immunity via natural exposure was so effective, we'd not still be dealing with diseases like measles and diphtheria etc. The whole world is exposed to them, but the whole world is not vaccinated. " Have to disagree. The Lancet "As many countries around the world recognised the magnitude of the COVID-19 pandemic in March, 2020, some seemed to put their faith in herd immunity. UK pandemic adviser Graham Medley, for example, said that “We are going to have to generate what we call herd immunity”, which would require “a nice big epidemic”. " No mention of a vaccine. Herd immunity was first coined in 1923. Diphtheria is a bacterium. And there are very rare cases in the UK. However, like TB we have seen a rise in cases due to immigrants (who don't have the same childhood vaccinations). It is the rate at which viruses mutate (RNA faster than DNA Viruses) is why vaccines do not give lifetime immunity. Boosters just cannot keep up. If you are healthy, exposure to the ever mutating viruses such as colds and flu offer some protection by the way your immune system works... Oops feel a lesson coming on but brain says no | |||
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"Bacteria mutates too. It doesn't matter if we're seeking to achieve herd immunity in terms of vaccinating against bacterial disease or viral disease. And my reference to diphtheria (and other diseases) was a reference to worldwide burden of disease. So long as a disease continues to spread and mutate widely in the "wild", we will never eradicate it via vaccination, it will always resurge. We'd got damned close to eradicating polio but the little pockets of low/no vaccination mean it's on the rise again, including cases being detected in the USA. It remains the case that the term "herd immunity", prior to the COVID pandemic was used to describe immunity acquired via vaccination because no-one was crazy enough to suggest it should or might be achieved by letting a disease run rampant in "the wild". This is my bread and butter (microbiology)." That's the thing though, it was suggested via exposure. Perhaps that's the reason why the lockdown was "late". Anyway I've forgotten why we're debating the whys and wherefores of exposure Vs vaccination. I'm more interested in knowing what propaganda was initiated around covid by politicians. | |||
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers?look the human race doing everything to try and make things easier so eventually its bound to have an adverse effect on climate in the 4 years covid has existed i have carried on my life as normal and not caught it, they are attempting to move away from fossil fuels but what will that mean in the future how will they find this extra electricity and what adverse affect will that have on the planet, ultimately i believe in the process of evolution as humans continually abuse the planet the planet will ultimately get rid of them
We have been rather complacent with our use of the earth and its materials. We have been selfish encroaching on other animals' ecosystems.
Whatever theories we believe in, we should be aware of consequences of our actions or inactions."Exactly we do everything to excess to make a profit or a buck scientists are trying to make everything we use so technical that only they will know how to fix it, thereby keeping their jobs safe, think about the people who make mega bucks why do they make it but at what cost do they make it? | |||
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"I'm generally a skeptic, in the sense that I'm a critical thinker. I'd be curious to know if ther are any other SGU listeners here? SGU?" Skeptics Guide to the Universe, well worth listening to if you have time for podcasts | |||
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"No one is going to admit to being a denier. They're just Free Thinkers Doing Their Own Research, Just Asking Questions and Look Big Pharma Did a Bad Thing Once. Language shifts and fragments depending on the subculture you're in, and what to one person might be a Q-Anon cultist might be a True Patriot to another. Someone who views themselves as concerned about their children having a habitable planet might be a destructive greeny lunatic to another. You have to take contextual clues to work out what dialect of English people are speaking, these days." Whatever side of the debate you’re on, Big Pharma having done a bad thing only once is stretching belief a bit far!! | |||
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"No one is going to admit to being a denier. They're just Free Thinkers Doing Their Own Research, Just Asking Questions and Look Big Pharma Did a Bad Thing Once. Language shifts and fragments depending on the subculture you're in, and what to one person might be a Q-Anon cultist might be a True Patriot to another. Someone who views themselves as concerned about their children having a habitable planet might be a destructive greeny lunatic to another. You have to take contextual clues to work out what dialect of English people are speaking, these days. Whatever side of the debate you’re on, Big Pharma having done a bad thing only once is stretching belief a bit far!!" Stretching is a stretch too. The "big pharma" way is more like purposely knowing its going to snap because its stretched far too much, doing it anyway then selling you something expensive that supposedly fixes it but really doesn't. Then they get a miniscule fine that isn't a fraction of the profits they made in the first place! Purely hypothetical of course, I don't want to get lumped in with the flat earthers and Q Anon guys | |||
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"I pay conspiracy theories no mind I have zero interest in them. I only have interest in what directly affects my life " Yet you took time out of your day to click on a thread about conspiracy theories | |||
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"I pay conspiracy theories no mind I have zero interest in them. I only have interest in what directly affects my life Yet you took time out of your day to click on a thread about conspiracy theories "And you point is? Doesn't mean I have no understanding of conspiracy theories. My understanding of a forum is I can click on any thread I like and post what I like. Unless that's a Conspiracy. | |||
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"I pay conspiracy theories no mind I have zero interest in them. I only have interest in what directly affects my life Yet you took time out of your day to click on a thread about conspiracy theories
And you point is? Doesn't mean I have no understanding of conspiracy theories. My understanding of a forum is I can click on any thread I like and post what I like. Unless that's a Conspiracy."It could well be, are you working for the man? | |||
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"I pay conspiracy theories no mind I have zero interest in them. I only have interest in what directly affects my life Yet you took time out of your day to click on a thread about conspiracy theories
And you point is? Doesn't mean I have no understanding of conspiracy theories. My understanding of a forum is I can click on any thread I like and post what I like. Unless that's a Conspiracy.It could well be, are you working for the man?"Now I'd tell you but then I'd have to hunt you down n bum you to death | |||
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And you point is? Doesn't mean I have no understanding of conspiracy theories. My understanding of a forum is I can click on any thread I like and post what I like. Unless that's a Conspiracy.It could well be, are you working for the man?
Now I'd tell you but then I'd have to hunt you down n bum you to death "Fuck me these assassins take things to a whole new level nowadays. Although if they can explain people locked in a duffle bag as a suicide, I'm sure they could pass off death by bumming as one too! | |||
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And you point is? Doesn't mean I have no understanding of conspiracy theories. My understanding of a forum is I can click on any thread I like and post what I like. Unless that's a Conspiracy.It could well be, are you working for the man?
Now I'd tell you but then I'd have to hunt you down n bum you to death Fuck me these assassins take things to a whole new level nowadays. Although if they can explain people locked in a duffle bag as a suicide, I'm sure they could pass off death by bumming as one too!"No comment I can't confirm or deny | |||
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"Bacteria mutates too. It doesn't matter if we're seeking to achieve herd immunity in terms of vaccinating against bacterial disease or viral disease. And my reference to diphtheria (and other diseases) was a reference to worldwide burden of disease. So long as a disease continues to spread and mutate widely in the "wild", we will never eradicate it via vaccination, it will always resurge. We'd got damned close to eradicating polio but the little pockets of low/no vaccination mean it's on the rise again, including cases being detected in the USA. It remains the case that the term "herd immunity", prior to the COVID pandemic was used to describe immunity acquired via vaccination because no-one was crazy enough to suggest it should or might be achieved by letting a disease run rampant in "the wild". This is my bread and butter (microbiology). That's the thing though, it was suggested via exposure. Perhaps that's the reason why the lockdown was "late". Anyway I've forgotten why we're debating the whys and wherefores of exposure Vs vaccination. I'm more interested in knowing what propaganda was initiated around covid by politicians." How about this one. Granted, it didn’t age well. Just goes to prove that listing to politicians and expecting good advice is as good as a death sentence for some. https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/coronavirus-london-tube-sadiq-khan-12339239/amp/ | |||
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"Belief's and opinions are very different from facts. Sadly social media and the internet have allowed opinions to be conflated with facts and we have an explosion of conspiracy theory’s. Empirical evidence is a lot more real and believable than someone’s opinion or the mate who told them down the Pub! I think laughing at Conspiracy theory’s is the best answer. There comes a point when you start crying. My mother is so deluded by conspiracy theories that she is mentally unstable. She associates with known unpleasant people and deliberately breaks the law to because she doesn't believe it applies to her. She now has nothing to do with me or my children, after she demonstrated that her belief in and willingness to follow the instructions of conspiracy theorists. She left two young children alone in a house then lied to my brother about it, after he trusted her to care for them. She left the house to meet a conspiracy theory "friend" who told her there was no law on how young you can leave children unattended (happens to be true, but who leaves 7yos alone?!) She is mentally unwell but refuses to seek help. She has placed herself and others in danger due to her "beliefs" and continues to put herself at risk for her beliefs. This is before we discuss the fact that her refusal to accept the existence of COVID resulted in my Grandfather's death from that same virus. I will never, EVER forgive her for that, nor forget my Grandfather's last words to me "she's not very wise is she, your Mum?"" I can relate to this mine has done similar by allowing YouTubers to brain wash her. Always been an irresponsible adult to some degree and has turned her back on me who she has never been able to fully control. It's not nice to grief a mother who is alive. I do sympathise with you sorry you have had to go through it too. See it as a blessing in disguise she has shown you what not to do with your own children xxx All the best to you hun | |||
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"Bacteria mutates too. It doesn't matter if we're seeking to achieve herd immunity in terms of vaccinating against bacterial disease or viral disease. And my reference to diphtheria (and other diseases) was a reference to worldwide burden of disease. So long as a disease continues to spread and mutate widely in the "wild", we will never eradicate it via vaccination, it will always resurge. We'd got damned close to eradicating polio but the little pockets of low/no vaccination mean it's on the rise again, including cases being detected in the USA. It remains the case that the term "herd immunity", prior to the COVID pandemic was used to describe immunity acquired via vaccination because no-one was crazy enough to suggest it should or might be achieved by letting a disease run rampant in "the wild". This is my bread and butter (microbiology). That's the thing though, it was suggested via exposure. Perhaps that's the reason why the lockdown was "late". Anyway I've forgotten why we're debating the whys and wherefores of exposure Vs vaccination. I'm more interested in knowing what propaganda was initiated around covid by politicians. How about this one. Granted, it didn’t age well. Just goes to prove that listing to politicians and expecting good advice is as good as a death sentence for some. https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/coronavirus-london-tube-sadiq-khan-12339239/amp/" Like Bojo shaking hands with covid patients. Like saying masks aren't effective - yeah the politicians back at the beginning of the pandemic did not know their arses from their elbows. | |||
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"I really liked the one just before the 2020 American presidential election. Supposedly Joe Bidens son left a laptop at a repair shop and the laptop had a load of illegal pictures on it , and videos of him doing drugs and having sex with ladies that you pay for certain services . Also details of deals with China and Ukraine involving his dad (then vice president) I mean come on nobody can be that stupid can they
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"Belief's and opinions are very different from facts. Sadly social media and the internet have allowed opinions to be conflated with facts and we have an explosion of conspiracy theory’s. Empirical evidence is a lot more real and believable than someone’s opinion or the mate who told them down the Pub! I think laughing at Conspiracy theory’s is the best answer. There comes a point when you start crying. My mother is so deluded by conspiracy theories that she is mentally unstable. She associates with known unpleasant people and deliberately breaks the law to because she doesn't believe it applies to her. She now has nothing to do with me or my children, after she demonstrated that her belief in and willingness to follow the instructions of conspiracy theorists. She left two young children alone in a house then lied to my brother about it, after he trusted her to care for them. She left the house to meet a conspiracy theory "friend" who told her there was no law on how young you can leave children unattended (happens to be true, but who leaves 7yos alone?!) She is mentally unwell but refuses to seek help. She has placed herself and others in danger due to her "beliefs" and continues to put herself at risk for her beliefs. This is before we discuss the fact that her refusal to accept the existence of COVID resulted in my Grandfather's death from that same virus. I will never, EVER forgive her for that, nor forget my Grandfather's last words to me "she's not very wise is she, your Mum?" I can relate to this mine has done similar by allowing YouTubers to brain wash her. Always been an irresponsible adult to some degree and has turned her back on me who she has never been able to fully control. It's not nice to grief a mother who is alive. I do sympathise with you sorry you have had to go through it too. See it as a blessing in disguise she has shown you what not to do with your own children xxx All the best to you hun" Thank you for this and sorry I didn't see it when originally posted  | |||
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"Conspiracy theories are still theories.. conspiracy is the notion of it being false or made up to gain traction. Either way, a theory is a question, or a hypothesis if you will. And in order to prove any hypothesis your framework needs to be routed in science. Once you have that framework you can begin to understand the question. Without proven science then it will always just be a theory. " In scientific terminology, a theory is far more than you suggest, and will have a huge weight of evidence behind it. A theory and a hypothesis are not the same thing. From the American Museum of Natural History: "A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record." | |||
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers? They all seem the same! Conspiracy nonsense. Like talking to theists. People who believe in ghosts, after life, spirits. No good evidence, in total denial, as frustrating as racists, bigots, “we want our country back” flat earthers, climate change deniers…..grrrrrrr I can assure you they are not all the same (I noted seem). I am very much an "evidence -based person". I was a why child. IE tell me a fact and it'd be "but why?" I'm now a why person . However I believe in an omnipotent being and have had spiritual experiences. Why? God knows .
Maybe we just haven't learned to test the theory of god's existence yet. Interestingly it hasn't been disproved yet either.
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"I cannot deny that Donny Trump new fab profile pic looks like he's taking an angry shit or possibly someone has just played peek-a-boo with him. He could also be pantless. But I cannot confirm that either. " But would be the best shit ever….nobody shits better | |||
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers? They all seem the same! Conspiracy nonsense. Like talking to theists. People who believe in ghosts, after life, spirits. No good evidence, in total denial, as frustrating as racists, bigots, “we want our country back” flat earthers, climate change deniers…..grrrrrrr I can assure you they are not all the same (I noted seem). I am very much an "evidence -based person". I was a why child. IE tell me a fact and it'd be "but why?" I'm now a why person . However I believe in an omnipotent being and have had spiritual experiences. Why? God knows .
Maybe we just haven't learned to test the theory of god's existence yet. Interestingly it hasn't been disproved yet either.
I may have inferred that you think people who believe in God are deniers. Wouldn't that be bigotry?
Evidence based but believe in a being with zero evidence?? Er…no
Can’t disprove something that doesn’t exist. Like saying nobody can disprove Santa!
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"Are you a denier? What I'm trying to discover is a correlation between the theories. We have covid deniers, climate change/global warming deniers, global earth/ dinosaurs/ moon landing deniers... Not an exhaustive list. If you deny one are you more likely to deny others? What is the rationale for your belief? Do you look into the science or simply have, what I'd describe as an innate feeling about it. For example I feel this way about reincarnation and spirituality. Do you get so passionate about your belief that you think others who believe the opposite are slightly bonkers? They all seem the same! Conspiracy nonsense. Like talking to theists. People who believe in ghosts, after life, spirits. No good evidence, in total denial, as frustrating as racists, bigots, “we want our country back” flat earthers, climate change deniers…..grrrrrrr I can assure you they are not all the same (I noted seem). I am very much an "evidence -based person". I was a why child. IE tell me a fact and it'd be "but why?" I'm now a why person . However I believe in an omnipotent being and have had spiritual experiences. Why? God knows .
Maybe we just haven't learned to test the theory of god's existence yet. Interestingly it hasn't been disproved yet either.
I may have inferred that you think people who believe in God are deniers. Wouldn't that be bigotry?
Evidence based but believe in a being with zero evidence?? Er…no
Can’t disprove something that doesn’t exist. Like saying nobody can disprove Santa!
Ah but there was a Saint Nicholas.
One day, we may have evidence of God, a god, gods. I hope I'm around "Well maybe a man who they called a saint. No evidence he went around the world with flying reindeer. We won’t have evidence of gods….as they don’t exist. Same as fairies….Loch Ness monster. But you can believe they do too. | |||
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"I’m not religious at all but you simply can’t rule out some kind of creator/god. And if your going to, back up" Why? No evidence of a creator or god | |||
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"I cannot deny that Donny Trump new fab profile pic looks like he's taking an angry shit or possibly someone has just played peek-a-boo with him." Is he just trying to look sexy?  | |||
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"I’m not religious at all but you simply can’t rule out some kind of creator/god. And if your going to, back up" Well, I'm not going to 'back up,' but of course you can rule out some kind of creator/god. | |||
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"It's a fact that nothing can be proven to be 100% true. " But how much of a fact is it?  | |||
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"It's a fact that nothing can be proven to be 100% true. But how much of a fact is it? "You got me | |||
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