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Met Police officers banned from using sex workers and must declare romantic relationships

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By *osweet69 OP   Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

Bridge to far or is it right thing to do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think right now they need to drain the swamp and this is part of that. Once the police (met in particular) have earned public confidence again they can relax the rule.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as they are using sex workers in their own personal time then I don't think it's fair to impose a ban.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well that's my income declining... Great!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well that's my income declining... Great! "
look after the coppers and the poundings look after themselves

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By *phrodite_AdonisCouple
over a year ago

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Honestly with all the corruption, deceit and just general bad eggs in the Met I think this is only scratching the surface.

They’ve got to start somewhere, let’s hope they tighten the screw in other areas too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it is wholly wrong

As long as they aren’t breaching the sexual offences act, and using their own taxable income to pay for the service, I think it is nothing to do with the employer or the public

Romantic relationships - a bit more tricky. I am in favour of disclosure. That should not then extend to them being prevented from having a romantic relationship with whomever they choose. I imagine what they are getting at here is a police officer being romantically connected to a criminal.

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By *osweet69 OP   Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

For those that say it is right, can you say why is right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Declaring conflict of interest is good practice.

Sex workers are legally grey. As it stands they shouldn't be partaking. It opens up to other issues such as bl@ckmail.

Relationships are trickier. Od want to know what they are doing with data. It feels somewhat disproportionate to the risk.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

Wait till Tom hears about this

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By *ea wangMan
over a year ago

scunthorpe

I think it's the getting into a personal relationship with a victim of crime that's been the main problem as they are sometimes getting into the relationship when the victim is vulnerable

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By *coobyBoobyDooWoman
over a year ago

Markfield

When I first heard it overnight I thought it was right and a good thing, but I was under the impression that sex workers were performing illegally and therefore the met would be engaging in illegal activity. Now I realise it’s not illegal so I don’t consider it wrong that they participate. So instead of banning them perhaps just ensure they declare any conflicts of interest in terms of using licensed sex workers in the met area. Although how that gets monitored I’ve no idea. As

others have said, anything which will support the identification of the corrupt ones within the Met would be a good thing but, in my opinion, the corrupt ones aren’t going to put their hands up to their wrong doings!

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By *imi_RougeWoman
over a year ago

Portsmouth

Would they also have to declare they were swingers? Or on Fab for instance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they shouldn't use sex workers

No I don't think it's fair they have to "declare" romantic relationships.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I wouldn't want to have to declare my romantic relationships for my job and I'd hate to be the one being declared.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't want to have to declare my romantic relationships for my job and I'd hate to be the one being declared."

This!

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are they going to be honest? Or just more secretive? I dunno

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By *entle_lover_xMan
over a year ago

Great Dunmow


"Would they also have to declare they were swingers? Or on Fab for instance? "

That would a minefield - principally as nobody can agree what is a swinger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*grabs cop porn*

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By *illiam101000Man
over a year ago

Melton Mowbray

A lot of sex workers are controlled by gangs,drug dealers,people trafficking gangs and organised crime syndicates so it probably best law enforcement officers aren't allowed to participate. As for relationships its more difficult, probably something along the lines of the rules for doctors and medical professionals.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

I think this should be extended from those who enforce to those who make the laws and hand out the punishments- so MP's & Judges too- nice and equal across the board

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Are they going to be honest? Or just more secretive? I dunno"

I'd opt for more secretive given the number of people who have relationships their partners aren't aware of.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

It's a step too far. Declaring partners is a breach of privacy AND right to family life. It is not legally enforcable.

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there’s plenty of jobs you have to declare relationships in order to get security clearance but this just will not work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are they going to be honest? Or just more secretive? I dunno

I'd opt for more secretive given the number of people who have relationships their partners aren't aware of. "

Agree. There’s no job this would work in

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By *idlandiaMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Wait till Tom hears about this "

Is it all over the news?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Are they going to be honest? Or just more secretive? I dunno

I'd opt for more secretive given the number of people who have relationships their partners aren't aware of.

Agree. There’s no job this would work in"

Imagine discovering your partner was having an affair and Susan from HR knew before you did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are they going to be honest? Or just more secretive? I dunno

I'd opt for more secretive given the number of people who have relationships their partners aren't aware of.

Agree. There’s no job this would work in

Imagine discovering your partner was having an affair and Susan from HR knew before you did "

Susan from hr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For those that say it is right, can you say why is right? "

Met police have got a horrendous record for being untrustworthy, abusers, liars, rapists and on the odd occasion, murderers. What it really wants is everyone sacking and starting again but obviously that can’t happen so they trying to out the bad apples. Those who don’t use sex workers or have inappropriate romantic relationships should have nothing to worry about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're using sex workers while on duty then yes I agree they shouldn't be allowed and it should be stopped, but if it's on their time off who gives a hoot, it's up to them what they do in the spare time

As for declaring their romantic relationships, why on earth should they have to declare that? Again that's their private life

I get that the police need to be watched and checked their not breaking the law (and rightly so) but what if the police allow this, how long before other companies/ organisation try to copy this with their employees

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I’d not date a police officer if this became law, that’s for sure.

They won’t get a date and won’t even be able to see a working girl either.

They’ll need to start putting something in the police canteen tea to calm them all down otherwise it will end up looking like the benny hill show!

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I don't think it should be okay for them to use sex workers

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"If they're using sex workers while on duty then yes I agree they shouldn't be allowed and it should be stopped, but if it's on their time off who gives a hoot, it's up to them what they do in the spare time

As for declaring their romantic relationships, why on earth should they have to declare that? Again that's their private life

I get that the police need to be watched and checked their not breaking the law (and rightly so) but what if the police allow this, how long before other companies/ organisation try to copy this with their employees "

Some companies already do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that for as long as selling sex is illegal it should absolutely be banned. Double standards. It’s the oldest profession x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they're using sex workers while on duty then yes I agree they shouldn't be allowed and it should be stopped, but if it's on their time off who gives a hoot, it's up to them what they do in the spare time

As for declaring their romantic relationships, why on earth should they have to declare that? Again that's their private life

I get that the police need to be watched and checked their not breaking the law (and rightly so) but what if the police allow this, how long before other companies/ organisation try to copy this with their employees

Some companies already do. "

Seriously?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they're using sex workers while on duty then yes I agree they shouldn't be allowed and it should be stopped, but if it's on their time off who gives a hoot, it's up to them what they do in the spare time

As for declaring their romantic relationships, why on earth should they have to declare that? Again that's their private life

I get that the police need to be watched and checked their not breaking the law (and rightly so) but what if the police allow this, how long before other companies/ organisation try to copy this with their employees

Some companies already do.

Seriously? "

I’d imagine some civil service jobs do. Provide info about your family and partners? Working for say department of defence

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"For those that say it is right, can you say why is right?

Met police have got a horrendous record for being untrustworthy, abusers, liars, rapists and on the odd occasion, murderers. What it really wants is everyone sacking and starting again but obviously that can’t happen so they trying to out the bad apples. Those who don’t use sex workers or have inappropriate romantic relationships should have nothing to worry about "

I doubt the bad apples will deliberately out themselves.

I genuinely can't see this working.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For those that say it is right, can you say why is right?

Met police have got a horrendous record for being untrustworthy, abusers, liars, rapists and on the odd occasion, murderers. What it really wants is everyone sacking and starting again but obviously that can’t happen so they trying to out the bad apples. Those who don’t use sex workers or have inappropriate romantic relationships should have nothing to worry about

I doubt the bad apples will deliberately out themselves.

I genuinely can't see this working. "

No they won’t. And how will they even police it? Shit idea tbh but I’m glad they’re making the effort to tidy up that shitshow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For those that say it is right, can you say why is right?

Met police have got a horrendous record for being untrustworthy, abusers, liars, rapists and on the odd occasion, murderers. What it really wants is everyone sacking and starting again but obviously that can’t happen so they trying to out the bad apples. Those who don’t use sex workers or have inappropriate romantic relationships should have nothing to worry about

I doubt the bad apples will deliberately out themselves.

I genuinely can't see this working.

No they won’t. And how will they even police it? Shit idea tbh but I’m glad they’re making the effort to tidy up that shitshow "

It’s PR. they’re not seriously trying to tidy it up.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Part of the reason is because in "the good old days" of policing, sex workers were very often targeted by police. Not to cut down any illegal activity, but to shake them down for a free blow job or shag, or even to take a cut of their earnings. Threatening the women with arrest if they refused.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that for as long as selling sex is illegal it should absolutely be banned. Double standards. It’s the oldest profession x"

It isn’t illegal

Not wanting to over complicate it so briefly it is how the services are delivered that is the issue

organised delivery of services is illegal - brothels etc

Kerb crawling is illegal

Any coercion of the sex worker by a third party makes it illegal for the customer to engage sexual services (either with their actual knowledge (and I need to check this but I think it is) or if they reasonably ought to have known)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Checked it.

Knowledge isn’t needed. It is a strict liability offence in the event of coercion

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

I'm surprised the Unions have allowed this through. Massive change in employment terms and conditions, especially the part about relationships.

And, given the reputation of the Met, do they really think a rule saying you can't visit sex workers is going to stick?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"For those that say it is right, can you say why is right?

Met police have got a horrendous record for being untrustworthy, abusers, liars, rapists and on the odd occasion, murderers. What it really wants is everyone sacking and starting again but obviously that can’t happen so they trying to out the bad apples. Those who don’t use sex workers or have inappropriate romantic relationships should have nothing to worry about

I doubt the bad apples will deliberately out themselves.

I genuinely can't see this working.

No they won’t. And how will they even police it? Shit idea tbh but I’m glad they’re making the effort to tidy up that shitshow "

You're right . They're starting to put things in place

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"For those that say it is right, can you say why is right?

Met police have got a horrendous record for being untrustworthy, abusers, liars, rapists and on the odd occasion, murderers. What it really wants is everyone sacking and starting again but obviously that can’t happen so they trying to out the bad apples. Those who don’t use sex workers or have inappropriate romantic relationships should have nothing to worry about

I doubt the bad apples will deliberately out themselves.

I genuinely can't see this working.

No they won’t. And how will they even police it? Shit idea tbh but I’m glad they’re making the effort to tidy up that shitshow

It’s PR. they’re not seriously trying to tidy it up. "

That was my other thought.

I remember once years ago being accused of 'industrial espionage ' by a boss of mine who was in big trouble for incompetence in an attempt to divert attention from his inability or unwillingness to improve. I strongly suspect someone somewhere is sitting with their head in their hands saying "where do we even start?"

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