FabSwingers.com forum: The Prison System

By *aravancouple OP Man
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

Do you think the prison system is working.

Does prison actually change someone's behaviour for the better.

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By *coobyroo218Couple
over a year ago

Guernsey

I think it all depends on the person.

You will get people that will never want to commit another crime after being in there, then you will get the people who do not give a shit and re offend because they want too.

So yes it does work but not all the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Judging by the high rate of re-offending clearly not. The prison system should rehabilitate as well as punish but it only seems to focus on the latter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If prison works or not, depends on what you think prison is for ?

If you think it is to offer rehab and re educate people that have done wrong ??

Then it will never work and isnt designed to either.

If you think it to deprive people of their liberty ?

Then it works wonderfully and only needs more capacity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All reserch shows that prison doesn't work and should only be used on the offenders that are at high risk of causing harm to the public...on the whole community based disposals tend to be more successful.

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By *ussy-StretcherMan
over a year ago

"Do you think the prison system is working.

Does prison actually change someone's behaviour for the better."

Simple answer?- NO

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

There are habitual criminals who take it as part of the job.

People get jailed for not being able to pay their council tax. They probably come out more streetwise than they were before.

Killers & rapists abscond from open prisons only to reoffend.

So no, it doesn't work for everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Judging by the high rate of re-offending clearly not. The prison system should rehabilitate as well as punish but it only seems to focus on the latter."

I heard of a homeless bloke near me he comes out for summer, then reoffends so he can get warm and have three meals a day for the winter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a very difficult question.

In addition to what everyone else has said, there's the issue of petty criminals and the perpetrators of serious crimes like muder, rape etc being held together. More often than not, the petty criminals will come out with the attitude and ideology of a murderer.

I agree to an extent that it depends on the person, but it also depends on the prison system itself. The way it stands, I understand that a prison cell has a TV etc. That should not be so. If there are any privileges at all, they should be earnt with good behaviour.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The success or otherwise of the prison system seems to depend on whether the prisoner has access to education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe radical new approach is needed in identifying those habitual criminals who cant or won't rehabilitate and those who are one-time only criminals sent to jail for random crimes, and separate the two types of prisoner from each other in rehabilitation prisons and hard time prisons. My thinking is that some of the hardened criminals will want to move to the lesser strict prisons and rehabilitate themselves into getting there. If they fuck up or are trying to pull a fast one they go straight back to the hard time prison with no chance of parole.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

sadly we will get to hear about the reoffenders, not always the people who go forward and improve their lives.

I applaud the offenders who go onto live crime free lives and contribute to society.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

"sadly we will get to hear about the reoffenders, not always the people who go forward and improve their lives.

I applaud the offenders who go onto live crime free lives and contribute to society.

People who rehabilitate when leaving prison unfortunately doesn't make good press for the tabloids....they prefer the doom and gloom stories about re-offenders that they can trouble their readers with.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

I know of a man who was a big person within a football 'firm' during the 80's. A well known (in those circles anyway) hard man who was caught and sent to prison.

He did 9 years, during that time he took courses, and earned a degree. It wasn't just handed to him, he spent the first couple of years being shipped around because he was violent and always fighting, but eventually he calmed down and stopped fighting the system.

He came out of prison with a degree in horticulture and being unable to find a job because no one would employ an ex con, he started his own business. He's now very successful, and employs ex cons who can't get work else where.

For some prison can work, but we never hear of those. The story above doesn't sell papers. The 'lunatic' who beats an old person up hours after being released from prison, does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a relative of mine works in a prison teaching them certain skills for when they leave, a fair few do have a successfull transition back to civillian life but your only gonna here the bad stuff on the news, your not gonna here about ex con jim who learnt to cook and is now running his own cafe etc r ya, ur only gonna here about the scumbags who cum out and commit again.

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By *aravancouple OP Man
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

"I believe radical new approach is needed in identifying those habitual criminals who cant or won't rehabilitate and those who are one-time only criminals sent to jail for random crimes, and separate the two types of prisoner from each other in rehabilitation prisons and hard time prisons. My thinking is that some of the hardened criminals will want to move to the lesser strict prisons and rehabilitate themselves into getting there. If they fuck up or are trying to pull a fast one they go straight back to the hard time prison with no chance of parole."

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By *averiMan
over a year ago

Swindon to bristol

Maybe not but it does protect the rest of us than the villians.

Is prison to protect us or to punish criminals?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think the prison system is working."

Let me tell you about two people I know.

The first is currently serving what is certainly not his first prison sentence. Every time he is released, he goes straight back to his old life. He's a chancer who never learns from his past. He sees crime as a proper career. He's even told me in the past about a time he failed to turn up for an appointment at the job centre because he had an offer to get involved in a robbery. He can't and won't be rehabilitated. The prison system can not help him. Does the prison system work? No.

The second is currently in prison awaiting trial, having already pleaded guilty to related charges. He's never offended before, and is a victim of circumstance. During his time in custody, he's attended education and kept himself out of trouble. When he gets released, he's very unlikely to reoffend. However, right now, because of his circumstances, he knows he's in the right place. Some aspects of the prison system have worked very well for him. Others haven't, but that's usually because of individual error on the part of prison staff. Does the prison system work? Yes.

Take your pick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If prison works or not, depends on what you think prison is for ?

Prison is supposed to serve 3 purposes.

1)Rehabilitation.

2)Paying debt to society.

3)Punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

simple answer...No ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"simple answer...No ...."

Not at all?

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

warrington

A friend of mine recently spent 6 months in wandsworth, he is by no means a hardened criminal and the lead up to his day in court he was shitting himself at the thought of going to jail. when I spoke to him on his realease he said " To be honest as much as I would not want to go back there it was nothing like I thought and to be honest I didn't think it was all that bad I just seemed to catch up on sleep. He said the real people who suffer though is your wife and kids.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

"Do you think the prison system is working.

Does prison actually change someone's behaviour for the better."

Prison works for some and yes it can change someone's behaviour and general outlook.

Depends on if they really want to change and if they make the most of the courses and training available.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

"I know of a man who was a big person within a football 'firm' during the 80's. A well known (in those circles anyway) hard man who was caught and sent to prison.

For some prison can work, but we never hear of those. The story above doesn't sell papers. The 'lunatic' who beats an old person up hours after being released from prison, does. "

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not prison that's the question, it's what life outside that prison there is for those that spend their lives there.

Did you read the article last week on Sweden having to close down some of its major prisons because they dont have enough crime?

Think about that for a moment.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Something about 'ex-con with horticulture degree' makes me wonder what he's growing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does it really matter if they work or not, until people get of their arses and vote, nothing will get any better.

People generally couldn't be bothered who runs the country, as long as it doesn't affect them in a negative way, its about time alternative parties were given a chance.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

I forgot I'd wrote that. That man was a regular in the pub I worked in when I wrote that. I've since started work with the probabtion service. I deal with men, mostly high risk offenders that come to me straight from prison.

For me the problem is mostly these guys come out to a world that sees the offence not the person. We work with offenders to get training, fork lift licence etc to make them better equipped to get a job, but many potential employers can't see past the criminal record.

And of course you get the people who don't want help. Couldn't care less if they are in prison or not, career criminals.

Does prison work? For some yes, but I think in order for it to work for more people, there needs to be less prejudice in society, we are too much of a 'hang them first, establish guilt later' society.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It does and it doesn't work it's not the sentence that is difficult part it's living with the stigma of having to declare your convictions for up to 10 years later....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Despite HMG fiddling the unemployment figures there's no doubt there's still more people than vacancies.

While employers can take their pick and unless a very specific skill-set is called for (like safe cracking), those who have completed a prison sentence will have trouble finding work.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

I now work in Industry (as a trainer up til a coupla months ago) but previously worked in both a school and a prison...was a bit embarrassing when I recognised a guy on a course I was delivering who I asked if I knew him from school, he replied no, I realised he'd been an inmate - of course, I kept me gob shut about that and stopped mentioning it unless I deffo knew them from being Arse Enders

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