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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?

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By *affeine DuskMan
over a year ago

Caerphilly

Specifically that?

Probably wouldn't fuck 'em, I guess.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Aren't you supposed to hit them on the knees with a stick or something?

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove

If they are claiming benefits fraudulently I think it is wrong. Is that what you mean ?

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove


"Aren't you supposed to hit them on the knees with a stick or something?

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I hope you are not my disability assessor should I ever need one

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"Aren't you supposed to hit them on the knees with a stick or something?

I hope you are not my disability assessor should I ever need one "

I was hoping people would get the film reference.

I'd mind my own business is my serious answer.

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over

I will think to myself, none of my business personally and carry on with my business that hardly have time for. Some people might think otherwise of course.

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By *offiaCoolWoman
over a year ago

Kidsgrove


"Aren't you supposed to hit them on the knees with a stick or something?

I hope you are not my disability assessor should I ever need one

I was hoping people would get the film reference.

I'd mind my own business is my serious answer.

"

Ah, I didn't get the film reference. Oops

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Frauds, that just want the disabled parking badge and/or the benefits.

Too many do it and have no shame.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

Just a guess, but I'd do nothing because I'd probably think it wasn't impacting my life in any way and I'd probably think it is possible they might have a disability which required some wheelchair use at times or that I'd misunderstood the situation in some way.

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By *rsMistyPeaksWoman
over a year ago

Essex

I would think that Little Britain was back on the T V

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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

Disability is a funny one. As a Demographer, I've often been asked how many disabled people are there? There are broad (eg Population Census) definitions but the boundaries can be vague.

Take profoundly Deaf people. Some argue it's the hearing world that hasn't learned their language. Why are they labelled "disabled" when it's not them that can't sign?

On this vein, I have an interesting story about a Dutch sex worker if anyone is interested...

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I think I'd mind my own business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think I'd mind my own business. "

I would think, "Dirty, scabby bastards" and then carry on with my day as planned

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By *929Man
over a year ago

bedlington

I’d laugh and think it was maybe an act to get on the sick but that’s where my concern ends it’s not right I know but it doesent affect me so don’t really care. I know a lad on permanent sick who goes to the gym and blasts the anadrol haha

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"I think I'd mind my own business. "

This so much...as a parent of a 19yr old boy with a profound but unseen disability....its got fcuk all to do with anyone if they think he's "disabled" or not

He's a national para swimming champion,a Lifeguard and a T A at a specialist school.But he is still classed as someone with a disability

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over

I am out of this thread. I have always said I have absolutely no interest in the few that might play the system. I am only interested in the many volnurable ones who have real needs and their struggles. I leave that to others and the tabloid newspapers that love that kind of sensational stories and those that thrive in that. Goodnight all.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Before I had surgery to put a titanium implant in my spine I had weeks at a time where I couldn't walk more than about twenty yards, stand for more than five minutes or carry anything. On other occasions I could walk, carry bags and stand for longer.

Unless you know, do nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aren't you supposed to hit them on the knees with a stick or something?

I hope you are not my disability assessor should I ever need one

I was hoping people would get the film reference.

I'd mind my own business is my serious answer.

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I got the film reference, it's from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

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By *estarossa.Woman
over a year ago

Flagrante


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?"

Depends who they are, and whether its any of my business?

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By *ackonceagain1777Couple
over a year ago

West Mids

Get on with my own life!! Life's too short to worry about stuff like that

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

Fake news

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This isn't an endemic problem. Conversely, the lack of a decent support infrastructure, helping from school ages through to senior years, really is. That we've allowed our country to be brought down to this state, is worthy of attention.

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By *iberatedduoCouple
over a year ago

Ashbourne

It’s interesting to see how many people say it has no impact on their lives. Are you all non tax payers lol ?

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

If you think they're committing fraud, report them.

It's really hard to get any kind of sickness related benefits, so people lying about it really annoys me.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?"

Next time I saw them out of their wheelchair, running and carrying heavy items,………….. I’d run the fuckers over and make an honest person out of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?

Next time I saw them out of their wheelchair, running and carrying heavy items,………….. I’d run the fuckers over and make an honest person out of them "

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?

Next time I saw them out of their wheelchair, running and carrying heavy items,………….. I’d run the fuckers over and make an honest person out of them "

You may have noticed I ‘borrowed’ that from Jeff Denham and Walter

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

OP, I'd worry about keeping my own side of the street clean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?

Next time I saw them out of their wheelchair, running and carrying heavy items,………….. I’d run the fuckers over and make an honest person out of them

You may have noticed I ‘borrowed’ that from Jeff Denham and Walter "
lol I did

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Fraud is fraud.This is taxpayer funded fraud.It also takes resources away from genuine people.A friend of mine,crippled with arthritis but still working had to fight tooth and nail to get a mobility scooter,whilst two cheats claiming every benefit they could ride around on theirs,not needed,they can walk perfectly fine and they could also work,but cheating benefits is easier.People who say "it's none of my business" are also some of the silly buggers paying for it,in other words being cheated.If you told them to throw £20 a week away they would think you were mad,but they're happy for it to be thrown away on parasites.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Being a wheelchair user is a spectrum. Not every person who needs to use a wheelchair is 24/7 dependent on a chair. The majority of wheelchair users have some ability to ambulate, to varying extents, varying frequency etc. Unless you have intimate knowledge of the person or people in question, I'd say that you don't have a clue what their actual situation is.

When it comes to assessments by the Authorities, due to cost cutting and a constant mantra from the Conservative government that disabled people are generally faking it and are all scroungers, ONLY those who are 24/7 dependent get any financial help and only then, after a lot of arguing. By remaining in the wheelchair for any formal assessments, you might actually get some help.

I have recently paid £4500 for a wheelchair that is absolutely essential to my life. I paid £1200 for a hoist in the boot of my car. I work FT (often while in excruciating pain) and have a ginormous mortgage to pay for the bungalow we've had to move to, for my mobility needs. Me becoming disabled has placed a massive financial burden on us, but we get nothing. Why? Because I tell the truth on forms etc. I can, for very limited periods, stand. I can only walk with aids, briefly and on flat ground. My ability to walk is so poor so as to be completely useless to every day life, but is enough to render me devoid of help.

Do you know what? I totally understand why people would omit to mention the 30s they can stand, or the three paces they can walk in their bedroom, because as soon as that's known, they will get absolutely fuck all.

And before anyone starts, I pay plenty of tax and I'd happily have a lot more of it spent on disability support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Being a wheelchair user is a spectrum. Not every person who needs to use a wheelchair is 24/7 dependent on a chair. The majority of wheelchair users have some ability to ambulate, to varying extents, varying frequency etc. Unless you have intimate knowledge of the person or people in question, I'd say that you don't have a clue what their actual situation is.

When it comes to assessments by the Authorities, due to cost cutting and a constant mantra from the Conservative government that disabled people are generally faking it and are all scroungers, ONLY those who are 24/7 dependent get any financial help and only then, after a lot of arguing. By remaining in the wheelchair for any formal assessments, you might actually get some help.

I have recently paid £4500 for a wheelchair that is absolutely essential to my life. I paid £1200 for a hoist in the boot of my car. I work FT (often while in excruciating pain) and have a ginormous mortgage to pay for the bungalow we've had to move to, for my mobility needs. Me becoming disabled has placed a massive financial burden on us, but we get nothing. Why? Because I tell the truth on forms etc. I can, for very limited periods, stand. I can only walk with aids, briefly and on flat ground. My ability to walk is so poor so as to be completely useless to every day life, but is enough to render me devoid of help.

Do you know what? I totally understand why people would omit to mention the 30s they can stand, or the three paces they can walk in their bedroom, because as soon as that's known, they will get absolutely fuck all.

And before anyone starts, I pay plenty of tax and I'd happily have a lot more of it spent on disability support. "

Well said. My OH is an amputee. He has a wheelchair but only uses it when the "ghost" pain of his missing foot is too bad and he gets dizzy. On good days, he can play cricket with just a slight limp.

Bess x

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"Being a wheelchair user is a spectrum. Not every person who needs to use a wheelchair is 24/7 dependent on a chair. The majority of wheelchair users have some ability to ambulate, to varying extents, varying frequency etc. Unless you have intimate knowledge of the person or people in question, I'd say that you don't have a clue what their actual situation is.

When it comes to assessments by the Authorities, due to cost cutting and a constant mantra from the Conservative government that disabled people are generally faking it and are all scroungers, ONLY those who are 24/7 dependent get any financial help and only then, after a lot of arguing. By remaining in the wheelchair for any formal assessments, you might actually get some help.

I have recently paid £4500 for a wheelchair that is absolutely essential to my life. I paid £1200 for a hoist in the boot of my car. I work FT (often while in excruciating pain) and have a ginormous mortgage to pay for the bungalow we've had to move to, for my mobility needs. Me becoming disabled has placed a massive financial burden on us, but we get nothing. Why? Because I tell the truth on forms etc. I can, for very limited periods, stand. I can only walk with aids, briefly and on flat ground. My ability to walk is so poor so as to be completely useless to every day life, but is enough to render me devoid of help.

Do you know what? I totally understand why people would omit to mention the 30s they can stand, or the three paces they can walk in their bedroom, because as soon as that's known, they will get absolutely fuck all.

And before anyone starts, I pay plenty of tax and I'd happily have a lot more of it spent on disability support. "

The OP did specifically mention running and the carrying of heavy weight.

I think that’s quite different than standing for a few seconds or shuffling a few steps.

If there were fewer fraudulent claims there would be more available for the genuine people.

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By *lay 4 your plessureMan
over a year ago

Wigan

You do know there are such things as variable disabilities don't you?

It's can be an extremely difficult and soul destroying process to even get things like pip for genuine claimants, there are so many people who are turned down despite being eligible for it who give up instead of taking their claims to tribunal. The ones who are successful still only get short term awards even with lifelong disabilities and have to go through the stress of reclaiming over and over again.

Yes there are some people who do cheat the system, but in reality is is a very small percentage of those who claim any kind of disability benifits. Add on the fact that most disability benefit payments are an absolute pittance compared to what you would earn if you were able to work, then I'd say good luck to the cheaters, because its really not worth the stress, hassle or money to even bother to try.

Anyone with any experience of claiming disability benifits knows that the reality of trying to claim them V's what the press like to tell you and get you enraged about the cheaters are very different.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?"
what do you want to do?

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By *ldgeezermeMan
over a year ago

Throckley


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?what do you want to do? "

Create another BS click bait post, with no further involvement from him, like he usually does

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?what do you want to do?

Create another BS click bait post, with no further involvement from him, like he usually does"
thats what i figured

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By *londebiguyMan
over a year ago

Southport


"Disability is a funny one. As a Demographer, I've often been asked how many disabled people are there? There are broad (eg Population Census) definitions but the boundaries can be vague.

Take profoundly Deaf people. Some argue it's the hearing world that hasn't learned their language. Why are they labelled "disabled" when it's not them that can't sign?

On this vein, I have an interesting story about a Dutch sex worker if anyone is interested..."

I have a few of those stories...

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By *ormalfornorfolkMan
over a year ago

Norwich


"Disability is a funny one. As a Demographer, I've often been asked how many disabled people are there? There are broad (eg Population Census) definitions but the boundaries can be vague.

Take profoundly Deaf people. Some argue it's the hearing world that hasn't learned their language. Why are they labelled "disabled" when it's not them that can't sign?

On this vein, I have an interesting story about a Dutch sex worker if anyone is interested..."

That sounds like a fascinating job!

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By *ormalfornorfolkMan
over a year ago

Norwich


"Disability is a funny one. As a Demographer, I've often been asked how many disabled people are there? There are broad (eg Population Census) definitions but the boundaries can be vague.

Take profoundly Deaf people. Some argue it's the hearing world that hasn't learned their language. Why are they labelled "disabled" when it's not them that can't sign?

On this vein, I have an interesting story about a Dutch sex worker if anyone is interested..."

And yes, I’d love to hear the tale of the Dutch sex worker. With a set up like that I’m betting it’s a good one lol

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By *iss DevilWoman
over a year ago

Bedford

OP, "disability" comes in many forms. There are wheelchair users who, on a good day, can walk unaided, carry things or even do a short run, whereas on a bad day, they can barely transfer from their bed to a wheelchair. The problem is, you can't really tell, when you get up in the morning, what day you're going to have.

My friend has days when she is all fine, full of energy, able not only to get on with her day-to-day life but also attend a swingers club or meet other people. On other days, most she does is sleeping as that's what her body is telling her to do.

I can be walking around fine one day, then my hips or my knee that I broke, badly, a few years ago, give up and I either need a walking stick or a rollator. Am I faking it? I wish I did.

Why judge, OP, when you don't know the full story?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"If they are claiming benefits fraudulently I think it is wrong. Is that what you mean ?"

You get a blue badge if you like a drink nowadays , very handing for parking near spoons in the city centre

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they are claiming benefits fraudulently I think it is wrong. Is that what you mean ?

You get a blue badge if you like a drink nowadays , very handing for parking near spoons in the city centre "

Insulting comment

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"You do know there are such things as variable disabilities don't you?

It's can be an extremely difficult and soul destroying process to even get things like pip for genuine claimants, there are so many people who are turned down despite being eligible for it who give up instead of taking their claims to tribunal. The ones who are successful still only get short term awards even with lifelong disabilities and have to go through the stress of reclaiming over and over again.

Yes there are some people who do cheat the system, but in reality is is a very small percentage of those who claim any kind of disability benifits. Add on the fact that most disability benefit payments are an absolute pittance compared to what you would earn if you were able to work, then I'd say good luck to the cheaters, because its really not worth the stress, hassle or money to even bother to try.

Anyone with any experience of claiming disability benifits knows that the reality of trying to claim them V's what the press like to tell you and get you enraged about the cheaters are very different. "

Unfortunately it’s the clever ones with help who know how to work the system & claim them and the hibest ones often refused.

22% of the UK population or 14.6 million people received disabled benefits in 2021. UK has an epidemic of disability , far bigger than any other country.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"22% of the UK population or 14.6 million people received disabled benefits in 2021. UK has an epidemic of disability , far bigger than any other country. "

Stats from gov.uk say differently....

PIP- 2.8 million

DLA - 1.3 million

ESA - 1.8millon

5.9 million disabled persons claiming benefits.

Add to that attendance/carers allowance (paid to those caring for someone but that also includes those who are elderly not just disabled) 1.3 million

7.2 million claims in the UK at August 2021

Some of those will be more than one person (for example someone claiming ESA and PIP), some, like myself, will only be claiming PIP...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022#health-disability-and-care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"22% of the UK population or 14.6 million people received disabled benefits in 2021. UK has an epidemic of disability , far bigger than any other country.

Stats from gov.uk say differently....

PIP- 2.8 million

DLA - 1.3 million

ESA - 1.8millon

5.9 million disabled persons claiming benefits.

Add to that attendance/carers allowance (paid to those caring for someone but that also includes those who are elderly not just disabled) 1.3 million

7.2 million claims in the UK at August 2021

Some of those will be more than one person (for example someone claiming ESA and PIP), some, like myself, will only be claiming PIP...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022#health-disability-and-care"

I'm glad you challenged his stats. Disability Pride Month after all.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

Also I've started this reply too many times.

Last I heard, the estimation was that 4% of all social claims were fraudulent... And 90+% of those were employment benefit related.

What would this thread look like if it was:

I know a mate claiming jobseekers but every so often he does a bit of cash in hand....

I know so so many people that wouldn't blink at that but are the first to rage about people 'faking disabilities'.

I am disabled.

I claim pip.

I also work full time.

On a good day I can work, maybe head to the shop for some food, maybe a little stroll to the park across the road.

On a bad day I can't get out of bed without assistance...

Hell on good months I even manage the odd short run.... And every winter I manage a snowboarding holiday.

That one snowboarding holiday can cost me nearly all of my annual holiday allowance (it does if I can manage two holidays).

People see the snowboarding but they don't see the whole village needed to make that happen.

My husband and boyfriend who, between them, help get me out of bed and help to get my gear on...

Best friend 1 who has coffee and breakfast waiting for me so I don't have to think about that first thing.

Best friend 2 who will carry my bag and board to the ski buss..

Then any of the above 4 will stick with me at all times, they do things like doing my bindings so I don't have to bend down, help me up when I fall so I don't have to use extra effort etc...

Disabilities are variable, don't ever ever judge just on what you think you see or hear.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Clickbait. Makes me wish karma was a thing

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

Some people's disabilities fluctuate.

The vast majority of these grass on your neighbour accusations turn out to be nonsense. Hence a drain on the taxpayer.

Furthermore, a lot of people have their lives worsened by the stigma. I know I worked for a carers charity for a long time.

Some people live in chronic pain and they are scared to go out and make the most of a 'good day' because of the prevalence of this kind of attitude. I mean it can cause severe anxiety and depression. It can also prevent people making claims in the first place.

Personally, I think that's a pretty sad reflection on society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let the criminals get away with it!

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"Some people's disabilities fluctuate.

The vast majority of these grass on your neighbour accusations turn out to be nonsense. Hence a drain on the taxpayer.

Furthermore, a lot of people have their lives worsened by the stigma. I know I worked for a carers charity for a long time.

Some people live in chronic pain and they are scared to go out and make the most of a 'good day' because of the prevalence of this kind of attitude. I mean it can cause severe anxiety and depression. It can also prevent people making claims in the first place.

Personally, I think that's a pretty sad reflection on society."

This.

My aunt, after seeing me eventually claim and how my quality of life has improved as a direct result, has started a claim for herself...

She's in her 50s and crippled with atheritis and a degenerative bone disorder... She's struggled for years but hasn't felt 'disabled enough'.

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By *idsCouple1Couple
over a year ago

Tamworth

I have a chronic illness that literally causes my bones to fuse. I take more tablets a day than most probably do in a whole year! Some days my pain is off the scale and I can barely move, I’m 33 but on those days I’m bent over double hobbling along..

I have a blue badge and I use disabled bays. I may walk into the shop *fine* (I still have pain but live with it daily so I cope) but half way round I can be in such pain that I’m shuffling back out.

Some people only see me going in to the shop and the abuse and looks I’ve had in the past is disgusting.

People can hide their pain when they’ve lived their whole lives with it.. it doesn’t mean they aren’t disabled! I wish more people could wrap their heads around that.

If I were you, I would leave it be. You never know what someone is truly going through!

- L x

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

Not all disabilities are visible.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

If someone really is faking disabilities that is reprehensible. I think we've all read of reports where people have gone to great lengths including taking being in a coma . I suspect it's a tiny minority of benefit claimants but if anyone is 100% sure that they know someone is fraudulently claiming and I mean 100%, they should do what's right for them.

We've also all read of the cases of people who claim that they or their children have life limiting illness to garner sympathy, attention and money, usually via social media. That's awful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

leave it to social services

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if anyone would look at me and shout fake. I don't claim benefits but I've got osteoarthritis in one hip, the other has been replaced, my knees are the same and bag full off mental health issues and Autism. Some days I walk with a limp if it's painful, others I walk without it. To look me I wouldn't look disabled but I am. Tbh I don't know the procedure to claim disability thing or a badge.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"22% of the UK population or 14.6 million people received disabled benefits in 2021. UK has an epidemic of disability , far bigger than any other country.

Stats from gov.uk say differently....

PIP- 2.8 million

DLA - 1.3 million

ESA - 1.8millon

5.9 million disabled persons claiming benefits.

Add to that attendance/carers allowance (paid to those caring for someone but that also includes those who are elderly not just disabled) 1.3 million

7.2 million claims in the UK at August 2021

Some of those will be more than one person (for example someone claiming ESA and PIP), some, like myself, will only be claiming PIP...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022#health-disability-and-care

I'm glad you challenged his stats. Disability Pride Month after all. "

I wouldn’t trust those gov figure. Matt Hancock got caught unable to count pairs of gloves properly during covid. He counted finger as a glove when reporting how many he’d supplied. . These numbers were probably just made up by Boris’ one of Boris’s mates , you do realise they outsource data analysis to the private sector then tell them what numbers to write.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"22% of the UK population or 14.6 million people received disabled benefits in 2021. UK has an epidemic of disability , far bigger than any other country.

Stats from gov.uk say differently....

PIP- 2.8 million

DLA - 1.3 million

ESA - 1.8millon

5.9 million disabled persons claiming benefits.

Add to that attendance/carers allowance (paid to those caring for someone but that also includes those who are elderly not just disabled) 1.3 million

7.2 million claims in the UK at August 2021

Some of those will be more than one person (for example someone claiming ESA and PIP), some, like myself, will only be claiming PIP...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022#health-disability-and-care

I'm glad you challenged his stats. Disability Pride Month after all.

I wouldn’t trust those gov figure. Matt Hancock got caught unable to count pairs of gloves properly during covid. He counted finger as a glove when reporting how many he’d supplied. . These numbers were probably just made up by Boris’ one of Boris’s mates , you do realise they outsource data analysis to the private sector then tell them what numbers to write. "

So you would get the numbers from where? (Because the only person who can tell you accurately how many payments are made - unsurprisingly, are the people making them...)

I've worked for the civil service, I know people who still do, many of whom are directly responsible for gov.uk

Matt Hancock might not know numbers but large portions of the civil service do, and the gatekeepers of statistics and information on gov.uk are really precious about it being accurate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"22% of the UK population or 14.6 million people received disabled benefits in 2021. UK has an epidemic of disability , far bigger than any other country.

Stats from gov.uk say differently....

PIP- 2.8 million

DLA - 1.3 million

ESA - 1.8millon

5.9 million disabled persons claiming benefits.

Add to that attendance/carers allowance (paid to those caring for someone but that also includes those who are elderly not just disabled) 1.3 million

7.2 million claims in the UK at August 2021

Some of those will be more than one person (for example someone claiming ESA and PIP), some, like myself, will only be claiming PIP...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022#health-disability-and-care

I'm glad you challenged his stats. Disability Pride Month after all.

I wouldn’t trust those gov figure. Matt Hancock got caught unable to count pairs of gloves properly during covid. He counted finger as a glove when reporting how many he’d supplied. . These numbers were probably just made up by Boris’ one of Boris’s mates , you do realise they outsource data analysis to the private sector then tell them what numbers to write. "

And a verifiable source for your stats is nowhere to be seen...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'd mind my own business

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
over a year ago

West Suffolk/Essex


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?"

Report benefits fraud

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading


"Being a wheelchair user is a spectrum. Not every person who needs to use a wheelchair is 24/7 dependent on a chair. The majority of wheelchair users have some ability to ambulate, to varying extents, varying frequency etc. Unless you have intimate knowledge of the person or people in question, I'd say that you don't have a clue what their actual situation is.

When it comes to assessments by the Authorities, due to cost cutting and a constant mantra from the Conservative government that disabled people are generally faking it and are all scroungers, ONLY those who are 24/7 dependent get any financial help and only then, after a lot of arguing. By remaining in the wheelchair for any formal assessments, you might actually get some help.

I have recently paid £4500 for a wheelchair that is absolutely essential to my life. I paid £1200 for a hoist in the boot of my car. I work FT (often while in excruciating pain) and have a ginormous mortgage to pay for the bungalow we've had to move to, for my mobility needs. Me becoming disabled has placed a massive financial burden on us, but we get nothing. Why? Because I tell the truth on forms etc. I can, for very limited periods, stand. I can only walk with aids, briefly and on flat ground. My ability to walk is so poor so as to be completely useless to every day life, but is enough to render me devoid of help.

Do you know what? I totally understand why people would omit to mention the 30s they can stand, or the three paces they can walk in their bedroom, because as soon as that's known, they will get absolutely fuck all.

And before anyone starts, I pay plenty of tax and I'd happily have a lot more of it spent on disability support. "

Let me at anyone who starts. Stories like yours should be the one being publicised not the few who manage to game the system. But I guess the latter are more interesting to an increasingly gullible audience. After all it gives them something to be angry about and for some reason they want to be angry about this nonsense instead on behalf of the genuinely disabled and what they have to go through every day.

Sorry not sorry rant over.

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By *heelz69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Being disabled myself it would seriously piss me off

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Some people's disabilities fluctuate.

The vast majority of these grass on your neighbour accusations turn out to be nonsense. Hence a drain on the taxpayer.

Furthermore, a lot of people have their lives worsened by the stigma. I know I worked for a carers charity for a long time.

Some people live in chronic pain and they are scared to go out and make the most of a 'good day' because of the prevalence of this kind of attitude. I mean it can cause severe anxiety and depression. It can also prevent people making claims in the first place.

Personally, I think that's a pretty sad reflection on society."

I don't claim PIP exactly because of this. I don't have the mental space left to right and argue with The System, because they reject everyone and make you fight at a tribunal. I have better things to spend my mental strength on. PIP wouldn't provide a wheelchair for me, which is mainly what I need, so I don't bother. I probably should be eligible.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"If they are claiming benefits fraudulently I think it is wrong. Is that what you mean ?

You get a blue badge if you like a drink nowadays , very handing for parking near spoons in the city centre "

Total and utter bullshit. I had to appeal and send teams of evidence, letters etc to get my Blue Badge and I definitely use a wheelchair. You've seen me. You've seen WHY accessible parking is important - remember Manchester?!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think most of the narrative around 'welfare fraud' is a way to distract us from the people at the top finding ways to rip us off.

Imagine how much money we'd get back if we spent a tenth of the effort and bile on the questionably legal schemes, mate's rates, etc, for the obscenely wealthy.

And it wouldn't involve shitting on people who are often less able to fight back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s a very tricky situation to comment on especially due to hidden disabilities and fluctuations in how a persons condition effects them.

It’s too easy for people to judge .

I have a hidden disability and had to give my job up of 23 years which was hard but had no option.

Sometime I may not seem too bad but other days it’s very debilitating and you pay the price for pushing yourself. Xxx

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think most of the narrative around 'welfare fraud' is a way to distract us from the people at the top finding ways to rip us off.

Imagine how much money we'd get back if we spent a tenth of the effort and bile on the questionably legal schemes, mate's rates, etc, for the obscenely wealthy.

And it wouldn't involve shitting on people who are often less able to fight back."

Agreed times ten trillion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Faking disabilities or self diagnosis are my pet peeve. The same goes for hidden disabilities. No you don't have that condition just because you filled in some online test. Just NO.

T.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most of the narrative around 'welfare fraud' is a way to distract us from the people at the top finding ways to rip us off.

Imagine how much money we'd get back if we spent a tenth of the effort and bile on the questionably legal schemes, mate's rates, etc, for the obscenely wealthy.

And it wouldn't involve shitting on people who are often less able to fight back."

Love this

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over


"I think most of the narrative around 'welfare fraud' is a way to distract us from the people at the top finding ways to rip us off.

Imagine how much money we'd get back if we spent a tenth of the effort and bile on the questionably legal schemes, mate's rates, etc, for the obscenely wealthy.

And it wouldn't involve shitting on people who are often less able to fight back."

Well said. This thread just like it's sister front page frequent exposes on tabloid papers do not deserve anyone's attention (the absence of the OP is noticeable). There are a few people that will always do dodgy things. Tarnishing others like that is dispicable and it seems those shouting fraud have already forgotten about the appalling assessments based on targets that even drove people to harm themselves. And the fact that the majority of those that did not pass and had the strength to take it to appeal, won their case. Those on ivory towers stay up there if you like but leave the poor and vulnerable people alone. Those of us with compasion for others don't care about the few that slip through the net. We care about the social injustice that we have become almost apathetic to.

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By *lay 4 your plessureMan
over a year ago

Wigan

A lot of people don't actually realise that they often only see people with hidden or fluctuating disabilities when they're having one of their better days. They don't see the consequences that those days have after going out, they don't see you on your worst days when you can't leave home or even get out of bed. They have no idea of the pain they are suffering whist doing their best to look "normal". They just see a quick snapshot of someone trying to live out a normal life that day.

People with disabilities have enough battles to overcome in their own life as it is. Comments from ignorant people who think they can see who is and who isn't disabled from a just few moments of looking at someone or who wrongly believe getting the help they need is so easy that anyone can just get it make those battles even harder.

It's a good job stupidity and ignorance aren't classed as disabilities, there'd be so many more claimants than there are now.

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"A lot of people don't actually realise that they often only see people with hidden or fluctuating disabilities when they're having one of their better days. They don't see the consequences that those days have after going out, they don't see you on your worst days when you can't leave home or even get out of bed. They have no idea of the pain they are suffering whist doing their best to look "normal". They just see a quick snapshot of someone trying to live out a normal life that day.

People with disabilities have enough battles to overcome in their own life as it is. Comments from ignorant people who think they can see who is and who isn't disabled from a just few moments of looking at someone or who wrongly believe getting the help they need is so easy that anyone can just get it make those battles even harder.

It's a good job stupidity and ignorance aren't classed as disabilities, there'd be so many more claimants than there are now. "

Well said.

Jo.Xx

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"I don't claim PIP exactly because of this. I don't have the mental space left to right and argue with The System, because they reject everyone and make you fight at a tribunal. I have better things to spend my mental strength on. PIP wouldn't provide a wheelchair for me, which is mainly what I need, so I don't bother. I probably should be eligible."

So they don't reject everyone. I got awarded first time without any need to appeal or go to tribunal.

And if you get higher rate mobility it could indeed provide you a powerchair.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"A lot of people don't actually realise that they often only see people with hidden or fluctuating disabilities when they're having one of their better days. They don't see the consequences that those days have after going out, they don't see you on your worst days when you can't leave home or even get out of bed. They have no idea of the pain they are suffering whist doing their best to look "normal". They just see a quick snapshot of someone trying to live out a normal life that day.

People with disabilities have enough battles to overcome in their own life as it is. Comments from ignorant people who think they can see who is and who isn't disabled from a just few moments of looking at someone or who wrongly believe getting the help they need is so easy that anyone can just get it make those battles even harder.

It's a good job stupidity and ignorance aren't classed as disabilities, there'd be so many more claimants than there are now. "

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria


"If somebody says they're disabled and unable to walk and when authority figures are around such as support workers, police officers, people from housing like Bristol City Council they are permanently in a wheelchair, but when there is nobody around only friends and family they are able to walk, run and Carry heavy items. What would you do and think?"

It's nothing to what big companies do to get cash form the Gov not worth getting stressed

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I don't claim PIP exactly because of this. I don't have the mental space left to right and argue with The System, because they reject everyone and make you fight at a tribunal. I have better things to spend my mental strength on. PIP wouldn't provide a wheelchair for me, which is mainly what I need, so I don't bother. I probably should be eligible.

So they don't reject everyone. I got awarded first time without any need to appeal or go to tribunal.

And if you get higher rate mobility it could indeed provide you a powerchair. "

Whilst a friend who is an amputee and relies on a wheelchair most of the time, had his PIP completely removed from him at the stroke of a pen, because he attended a PIP review wearing his prosthetic leg. That he can only wear for short periods and that sometimes is impossible to wear, due to stump issues.

One day, when I feel like I have the mental fortitude, I might try. However, I don't want a powerchair (I don't need one). This is because a) I want to maintain my strength as much as possible, b) power chairs are bigger, heavier (to get into a car) and might not be permitted on trains and are more likely to be broken on planes. Also c) because they are bigger, those places I can currently sneak into with the manual chair, I would not get into.

I'm also a weirdo and like pushing up steep hills, for exercise. The Spaniards here think I'm insane.

I just would like my manual chair even part funding, because £4k+ is totally unaffordable, but essential for remaining properly independent.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

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