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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption "There is. Blocking the highway is an offence in itself and they should be physically lifted off the road. | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption "I think the more disruption the more effective the protest | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
There is. Blocking the highway is an offence in itself and they should be physically lifted off the road. "By the people whose job it is to enforce the law. The people that are assaulting protestors are not those people. | |||
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A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy. | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest"The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest.If they want to make a real statement,make people take notice and get some respect they should have the balls to throw orange powder all over Tiannemem Square.Peter Tatchell had the massive balls to go to Qatar and stage a one man gay rights protest. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy."I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !! I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix  | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix "Well those players use jets to travel soooo..... Today at Wimbledon too. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix "I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest"Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
Well those players use jets to travel soooo.....
Today at Wimbledon too."Of course they do absolutely... My point is imo they are targeting the wrong things and rather than getting there message across they are now just irritating people .. If i was with a family member in an Ambulance for example and these muppets put my family member at risk I'd be out like a shot and throw them off the road in seconds  | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption "Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them." | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
Well those players use jets to travel soooo.....
Today at Wimbledon too.
Of course they do absolutely... My point is imo they are targeting the wrong things and rather than getting there message across they are now just irritating people ..
If i was with a family member in an Ambulance for example and these muppets put my family member at risk I'd be out like a shot and throw them off the road in seconds "I agree with you | |||
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Even more hilariously it almost completely coincided with a rain delay so actually caused virtually no disruption at all.
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"JSO protestors are doing more to pressurise the government to stop all new licensing of oil than nearly everyone that despise them. So heroes- they are. " My main objection to granting new licences would be that most of the wealth generated goes outside of the country who are left with just an environmental catastrophe to deal with. Think Nigerian Oil or Third World timber companies. It is right that the criminal practices which go on should be high lighted | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same. "I think much of it is the way it's portrayed or shown to us. They just come across as annoying. I have no answers on how to galvanise a populous in support of a single goal such as JSO... but whenever I see a video or hear a story about the way they go about it, it just feels wrong, or poorly thought out... or like pissing in the wind. But I do believe I get fed a one sided story about it all and that my views are very kneejerk based on what passing information I have. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
Well those players use jets to travel soooo.....
Today at Wimbledon too.
Of course they do absolutely... My point is imo they are targeting the wrong things and rather than getting there message across they are now just irritating people ..
If i was with a family member in an Ambulance for example and these muppets put my family member at risk I'd be out like a shot and throw them off the road in seconds
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same. "I know it's supposed to be disruptive how ever there are levels to it Stopping an emergency services vehicle is a little too far I'm | |||
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"The ‘disruption’ jso caused today at Wimbledon was fucking hilarious… two tortoise type people shuffled onto court 18 and dropped a jigsaw
Even more hilariously it almost completely coincided with a rain delay so actually caused virtually no disruption at all.
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same.
I know it's supposed to be disruptive how ever there are levels to it
Stopping an emergency services vehicle is a little too far I'm "*imo | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix "it caused so much stress to the organisers of the superbikes at the weekend.. all security and marshals were on full alert Not on if you ask me. Total idiots | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same. "Protest is about protest,not causing criminal damage and preventing other people going about a lawful activity | |||
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"The ‘disruption’ jso caused today at Wimbledon was fucking hilarious… two tortoise type people shuffled onto court 18 and dropped a jigsaw
Even more hilariously it almost completely coincided with a rain delay so actually caused virtually no disruption at all.
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same. "Emmeline Pankhurst didn't limit herself to writing letters or petitions. She led a campaign of disruption. She was vilified and physically attacked. She forced the issue of women's suffrage by being disruptive. Nothing has changed imo. | |||
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"One of the most effective things that JSO could do in this country to prevent further petrochemical extraction here, would be to stick Jacob Rees Mogg to a road. With lots of glue. And all those other politicians with vested interests in coal, oil and gas who actively prevent the expansion of green energy sources!" Speak your truth!! | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them.""Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it? | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same. "What they actually doing is taking a cause many are sympathetic to and actually turning those people away from the cause with their pathetic and selfish actions. | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same.
I know it's supposed to be disruptive how ever there are levels to it
Stopping an emergency services vehicle is a little too far I'm
*imo"I think at this point a lot of their disruption has gone away from this method. And I am not sure but I don’t think**any disruption resulted in death or harm. (Accept I may be wrong on that) Plenty of harm unlawfully done to them. Their awareness raising has been successful in my opinion. My main thing is that most people spend so much time complaining about their methods and continue to give government a pass and also have no alternative solution. | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest
The more effective in turning people away from supporting the protest
Protest is about disruption. I genuinely don’t know why people are so confused by a protest being disruptive.
Countless effective protests throughout history have been the same.
What they actually doing is taking a cause many are sympathetic to and actually turning those people away from the cause with their pathetic and selfish actions."Why are you turned away by the cause? Their actions do not represent a cause. The cause is the last thing we should be losing support for. In fact, issue with the methods should lead to more alternative protests imo. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it? "It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them. Their communications team need to work that out. From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy. | |||
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"Anyways thanks to those that are participating in the thread and adding in causes they care about " I think you set the precedent by responding to the early jso comments and encouraging discussion. My heart and wallet is always moved into action by the cancer research hero’s in all the various capacities they undertake for the cause | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy."And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way? My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it. | |||
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"Anyways thanks to those that are participating in the thread and adding in causes they care about I think you set the precedent by responding to the early jso comments and encouraging discussion. My heart and wallet is always moved into action by the cancer research hero’s in all the various capacities they undertake for the cause "Oh I know. I’m not mad at people for discussing JSO. I am however just acknowledging those that read the OP and responded to it. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it. "Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought. A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance. "I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil. | |||
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"I wonder if the cause was one you cared about very deeply- like anti racism, equal Rights, and other social issues that have had large disruptive protests, would we be less concerned about the methods because we’d be supportive of those that need the change more? Or we’d at least be mobilising more as a society I imagine in other ways if we opposed the actions of one particular group. My opinions are probably clear but I am genuinely interested reading other perspectives. Even if I disagree with them. "Honestly this is likely a big part of it. People don't care enough, it's not immediately impactful enough for them to be fully aware, taken notice, and action. If it were much more closer to home then people would support certain more extreme protest methods. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil. "Why are you rolling around? JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong. Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like. | |||
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"Our planet is overheating and we are dangerously close a point of no return. Yesterday was the hottest day in an estimated 125000 years. We're going to see natural and human disasters on an unbelievable scale. But god forbid if wimbledon is interrupted. Priorities yeah?" Speak on it!! | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like."Rolling around?
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"Name some causes that you/ other people fight for that make you extremely happy and hopeful! "JSO "protests" do not impact the people they are trying to influence. The "protests" disrupt the general public trying to carry out their lives like getting to job interviews, doctors appointments, funerals, visiting ill/dying family members, emergency services trying to save and protect lives, along with any number of other time sensitive life things. These are the temper tantrums perpetrated by cowards, not acts of protest. They are explicitly targeted to antagonise, terrorise, and hurt everyday people. Exactly the opposite of peaceful. If JSO are *actually* serious they would protest in front of and disrupt the houses of parliament, around the homes and parliamentary offices of representatives, in front of media outlets/houses like the BBC, outside the offices and homes of the companies and executives wanting the licences. Basically disrupt and cause inconvenience to those who have some money in the game. Attacking the general population and things the general population care or are passionate about, is the same as reprimanding your dog about another dog doing a shit in someone else's garden on the other side of the country! | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy"That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing" Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either? | |||
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"Name some causes that you/ other people fight for that make you extremely happy and hopeful!
JSO "protests" do not impact the people they are trying to influence.
The "protests" disrupt the general public trying to carry out their lives like getting to job interviews, doctors appointments, funerals, visiting ill/dying family members, emergency services trying to save and protect lives, along with any number of other time sensitive life things. These are the temper tantrums perpetrated by cowards, not acts of protest. They are explicitly targeted to antagonise, terrorise, and hurt everyday people. Exactly the opposite of peaceful.
If JSO are *actually* serious they would protest in front of and disrupt the houses of parliament, around the homes and parliamentary offices of representatives, in front of media outlets/houses like the BBC, outside the offices and homes of the companies and executives wanting the licences. Basically disrupt and cause inconvenience to those who have some money in the game.
Attacking the general population and things the general population care or are passionate about, is the same as reprimanding your dog about another dog doing a shit in someone else's garden on the other side of the country!"Exactly this. Absolutely spot on.  | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy
That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing"
Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either?"I support JSO. | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption
I think the more disruption the more effective the protest"It's not effective because nobody is listening to them and they are now further away from achieving their aim than when they started out. The government clearly now can't give them their demands or even a platform to express their views in parliament as this would set a precedent. Also, JSO want to stop all new oil licensing but fail to give a workable and practical solution. Stopping new UK oil licensing would not in itself reduce the UKs demand/consumption of oil necessitating more imports leading to higher prices and lost jobs. Yes the UK needs to move away from fossil fuels but this needs to be driven by scientific progress not attention seekers. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy
That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing"
Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either?
I support JSO. "You fully support their actions and fuck anyone who doesn't like it inc. but not limited to; people losing money, missing appointments, missing exams or possibly not being able to see a loved one who may pass? | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy
That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing"
Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either?
I support JSO.
You fully support their actions and fuck anyone who doesn't like it inc. but not limited to; people losing money, missing appointments, missing exams or possibly not being able to see a loved one who may pass?"Normalise supporting a group not meaning you support everything they do. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy
That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing"
Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either?
I support JSO.
You fully support their actions and fuck anyone who doesn't like it inc. but not limited to; people losing money, missing appointments, missing exams or possibly not being able to see a loved one who may pass?
Normalise supporting a group not meaning you support everything they do. "You appear to support their protest methods. Did I get that wrong? Apologies, if so. | |||
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"They are absolutely not heroes!!" I agree, the young men who piloted Spitfires in 1940 were heroes as were, later on in the war, the Lancaster Bomber Crews. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy
That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing"
Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either?
I support JSO.
You fully support their actions and fuck anyone who doesn't like it inc. but not limited to; people losing money, missing appointments, missing exams or possibly not being able to see a loved one who may pass?
Normalise supporting a group not meaning you support everything they do.
You appear to support their protest methods.
Did I get that wrong? Apologies, if so."Some of them, yes. Yes I do. Now what? You’re going to ask if I support people laying in the street? Etc etc. But it’s silly, this conversation. I think the best way to stop the disruption is for the government to stop new licensing of all. Which I absolutely agree should happen. | |||
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"They are absolutely not heroes!! I agree, the young men who piloted Spitfires in 1940 were heroes as were, later on in the war, the Lancaster Bomber Crews." These can be heroes to many. Like yourself. My heroes are mostly activists that have fought for social change | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix
I think at this point doing that thing where they’re doing things that will be seen and noticed by as many as possible. Just about exposure to raise more awareness and cause disruption
Not sure if there's been an updated poll but according to YouGov in Oct last year "Just 21% of respondents said they supported the protester’s actions, compared with 64% who opposed them."
Ok and their cause? If people think there’s a more effective way to get government to act they could always… do it?
It's not really for me to decide what effective way they can demonstrate, I'm not one of them.
Their communications team need to work that out.
From what I see there are a lot of more people who don't agree with their methods than those who do. As I said, they're their own worst enemy.
And if people take issue with their *methods* but support their cause then they can always… protest in an alternative way?
My point here is that if people are *actually* concerned about the cause but dislike the methods they’d support alternative ways of getting the government to stop new licensing. I think it seems like most people aren’t actually in support of the cause though. And they’re upset about the methods mostly because they don’t believe the cause is worth it.
Yeah you're probably half way there with that thought.
A lot of people may well sympathetic to the cause but don't yet see viable alternatives so don't fully support the 'stop now' stance.
I think a lot of people don’t actually understand that stopping *new* licensing of oil is not the same as asking the government to immediately stop using oil.
Why are you rolling around?
JSO need to spend more time educating people if the message isn't getting across, hence, their methods are all wrong.
Why should we stop all new licencing and switch to even more imports? It's the same thing that people now complain of in regards to coal, steel and the like.
Rolling around?
Anywayyyyyy
That emoji is "Rolling on floor laughing"
Anyway, wanna continue or do you not have a viable solution either?
I support JSO.
You fully support their actions and fuck anyone who doesn't like it inc. but not limited to; people losing money, missing appointments, missing exams or possibly not being able to see a loved one who may pass?
Normalise supporting a group not meaning you support everything they do.
You appear to support their protest methods.
Did I get that wrong? Apologies, if so.
Some of them, yes. Yes I do. Now what? You’re going to ask if I support people laying in the street? Etc etc. But it’s silly, this conversation. I think the best way to stop the disruption is for the government to stop new licensing of all. Which I absolutely agree should happen. "Well of course I'm going to ask if you support that particular method, that's the one that people take most issue with. It's also the one I've been speaking about. Do you honestly, truly, believe the government are going to give into the pressure which is not even aimed at them? | |||
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"Problem is it’s the everyday people that are getting fucked over by these idiots that’s why people are getting pissed off.." Let's not forget that their so called protests already caused a few deaths. | |||
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"The oil people while I get it, I don't agree with them blocking roads etc I saw a video earlier of them refusing to let an ambulance through Surely there is another way to protest without causing such disruption "My thoughts too. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today." Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today." I think of the future generations are able to live on this planet they will. But I also think whether future generations live or die is not something most people care about. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today." not proving effective to anyone I know. Yes, they get airtime but most people I know think they are just middle class rent-a-mob who are actually annoying way more than they are converting….. did you hear the noise at Lords when one of them was removed by the England wicket keeper?… | |||
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"If you’re not prepared to limit the population explosion then any other environmental campaigns are just pissing into the wind. Stop oil? Stop breeding! " That's the new Durex slogan..."Fuck you partner, not the planet!" Doint the numpties realise that oil makes other products apart from petrol and diesel? JSO has it's own conspiracy and it's a fake grassroots protest group, whose sole aim is to destroy public empathy for all protest groups and striking workers. Sounds like a an idea Alan B'stard would approve of. "Don't be concerned with the boy who cried wolf, worry about the cheetah to told him to do that" is a quote I heard. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is." Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working." Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. I think of the future generations are able to live on this planet they will. But I also think whether future generations live or die is not something most people care about. " Very true. The “I’m alright” attitude is why this country is the way it is right now. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working." have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them?" No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil. | |||
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"Name some causes that you/ other people fight for that make you extremely happy and hopeful!
JSO "protests" do not impact the people they are trying to influence.
The "protests" disrupt the general public trying to carry out their lives like getting to job interviews, doctors appointments, funerals, visiting ill/dying family members, emergency services trying to save and protect lives, along with any number of other time sensitive life things. These are the temper tantrums perpetrated by cowards, not acts of protest. They are explicitly targeted to antagonise, terrorise, and hurt everyday people. Exactly the opposite of peaceful.
If JSO are *actually* serious they would protest in front of and disrupt the houses of parliament, around the homes and parliamentary offices of representatives, in front of media outlets/houses like the BBC, outside the offices and homes of the companies and executives wanting the licences. Basically disrupt and cause inconvenience to those who have some money in the game.
Attacking the general population and things the general population care or are passionate about, is the same as reprimanding your dog about another dog doing a shit in someone else's garden on the other side of the country!"I agree with this. It is getting them invited on TV to debate with other people though. Absolutely agree that they need to be targeting decision-makers. I haven't looked into it well enough to know what they are actually doing aside from protesting. I don't think upsetting the public who might not really be aware of what's happening is the way to gain support though. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…." Why would he do that? | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working." The thing is its only working if it's gaining support. Being known only goes so far. We now know all about them yes but for every person they "recruit" another 5 are pushed away. Plenty of other ways to raise awareness if that's their plan. Their methods are highly flawed if gaining support for their cause is the target. If its to gain fame/infamy then they should keep doing what they are doing. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil." Fair enough. They've won you over. Do you support their methods? It's their methods most people I speak to don't like. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…." No because it’s impossible for me at this moment in time. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil. Fair enough. They've won you over. Do you support their methods? It's their methods most people I speak to don't like." I’m sort of in the middle with it. I don’t like some of what they do but I understand their reasons for doing it. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. The thing is its only working if it's gaining support. Being known only goes so far. We now know all about them yes but for every person they "recruit" another 5 are pushed away. Plenty of other ways to raise awareness if that's their plan. Their methods are highly flawed if gaining support for their cause is the target. If its to gain fame/infamy then they should keep doing what they are doing. " I think ultimately most people in this country are completely unaffected by these protests. Far less than say, train strikes. But *most* people seem to hate JSO apparently. (That’s not comparing the causes by the way) | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil. Fair enough. They've won you over. Do you support their methods? It's their methods most people I speak to don't like. I’m sort of in the middle with it. I don’t like some of what they do but I understand their reasons for doing it." OK specifically holding up traffic? It's hard to get an answer to this. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that?" if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. The thing is its only working if it's gaining support. Being known only goes so far. We now know all about them yes but for every person they "recruit" another 5 are pushed away. Plenty of other ways to raise awareness if that's their plan. Their methods are highly flawed if gaining support for their cause is the target. If its to gain fame/infamy then they should keep doing what they are doing. " I’ve used this example before and I get it is a flawed argument but people said the same thing about Emily Davison’s methods too. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind" I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. No because it’s impossible for me at the moment in time." yes, very much like 100% of us…. That is why this is totally flawed. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil. Fair enough. They've won you over. Do you support their methods? It's their methods most people I speak to don't like. I’m sort of in the middle with it. I don’t like some of what they do but I understand their reasons for doing it. OK specifically holding up traffic? It's hard to get an answer to this." I don’t agree with them doing it but I understand their aim is to cause as much disruption as possible to get the government to act. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. " the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. No because it’s impossible for me at the moment in time. yes, very much like 100% of us…. That is why this is totally flawed." They’re not trying to get me to stop using oil products though. They’re trying to stop the licensing of all NEW oil products. There’s a massive difference. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil. Fair enough. They've won you over. Do you support their methods? It's their methods most people I speak to don't like. I’m sort of in the middle with it. I don’t like some of what they do but I understand their reasons for doing it. OK specifically holding up traffic? It's hard to get an answer to this. I don’t agree with them doing it but I understand their aim is to cause as much disruption as possible to get the government to act. " I appreciate you answering. I beleive they should focus their disruption towards people that are actually involved in the oil industry rather than normal folk. The government aren't going to back down on this, and eventually the public will react. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible " Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. " This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. " NEW. NEW. NEW. The key word here is new. This information is so easy to access. | |||
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"If you’re not prepared to limit the population explosion then any other environmental campaigns are just pissing into the wind. Stop oil? Stop breeding! " On top of this we need a murderer/Paedophile Battle Royale once a year,100 go in and 1 comes out. The winner gets a luxury cell and some pleasantries. We save money on the upkeep. The betting and merchandise alone would help the economy. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause." Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. " They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. Did you know of their cause before you had heard of them? No. I hadn’t even thought about banning the licensing of all new oil. Fair enough. They've won you over. Do you support their methods? It's their methods most people I speak to don't like. I’m sort of in the middle with it. I don’t like some of what they do but I understand their reasons for doing it. OK specifically holding up traffic? It's hard to get an answer to this. I don’t agree with them doing it but I understand their aim is to cause as much disruption as possible to get the government to act. I appreciate you answering. I beleive they should focus their disruption towards people that are actually involved in the oil industry rather than normal folk. The government aren't going to back down on this, and eventually the public will react." Yes this | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem." Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem. Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. " It’s giving ‘I’m offended on behalf of others’ | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem. Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. " You may think it's hilarious but I'm sure you'll have some sympathy for the people I mentioned before. Other people also have that same sympathy, and they don't find it funny. | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem. Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. You may think it's hilarious but I'm sure you'll have some sympathy for the people I mentioned before. Other people also have that same sympathy, and they don't find it funny." Of course I care about those that ARE impacted. What’s funny is it a world where so many people get in the internet and complain about snowflakes and young people caring about other people- we’re all the same really. When it’s something WE care about. You have to laugh. Or you’ll just cry | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem. Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. You may think it's hilarious but I'm sure you'll have some sympathy for the people I mentioned before. Other people also have that same sympathy, and they don't find it funny. Of course I care about those that ARE impacted. What’s funny is it a world where so many people get in the internet and complain about snowflakes and young people caring about other people- we’re all the same really. When it’s something WE care about. You have to laugh. Or you’ll just cry" Fab is one place where so many people complain about others being offended for others (really caring about others and their experiences) and yet it’s obvious that we’re all exactly the same. Isn’t that funny? | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working.have you stopped using every product made with oil?…. Why would he do that? if they agree with their cause and been won over, surely they should care with their feet/wallet and not use any oil product whatsoever….. good luck with that, mind I don’t think that’s what JSO are asking people to do. the clue is in the name…. ‘Just Stop Oil’….. surely we need to stop drilling for/using all oil right now?…. That is what this lot want….. well, they have been brainwashed into thinking that but deep down know it’s impossible Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK. - that’s taken from their website. Completely different to the fiction you’re spreading. This is the reason they should focus more attention to education of the cause. Plenty of people join causes after protests and disruption. I learned about them from their disruption. Watched a tik tok from a guy who disrupted an Everton game. And I realised their cause is one that everyone should support. The climate emergency is far more important than nearly anything else in the world. They also recognise the impact on the global south and demonstrate an understanding of those often most impacted by climate change. I have learned all that following their protests just by listening and reading what’s available on the internet. They're alienating every 5 for each supporter they garner. That's the problem. Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. You may think it's hilarious but I'm sure you'll have some sympathy for the people I mentioned before. Other people also have that same sympathy, and they don't find it funny. Of course I care about those that ARE impacted. What’s funny is it a world where so many people get in the internet and complain about snowflakes and young people caring about other people- we’re all the same really. When it’s something WE care about. You have to laugh. Or you’ll just cry" You laugh, I'll cry for those who are affected. | |||
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"Did I just see JSO referred to as heroes?
A noble cause in some opinions maybe, but far from heroes. They are their own worst enemy.
I don't get the protests at Cricket or Snooker etc .. Real Gas Guzzling Sports those !!
I'd like to see what happens if they run on the track in the middle of the British Grand Prix "Nothing to do with gas guzzling sports, its done to get publicity | |||
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"If you’re not prepared to limit the population explosion then any other environmental campaigns are just pissing into the wind. Stop oil? Stop breeding! " Chucking a hand grenade into the pond here but, is it time to start talking about a license to breed, outlawing (State [free NHS] provided) IVF, sperm donors/banks etc etc? Contentious I know, but there's only a finite number of people this planet can tolerate! | |||
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"If you agree with them or not, what they’re doing is proving effective. Everyone is talking about them. I don’t necessarily agree with their methods but I think future generations might view them more fondly than the people of today. Wouldn't you agree that most on this thread are talking about them for the wrong reasons? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Only, there is. Any publicity shines a light on their cause. I hadn’t heard of them before the protests but now I have. It’s working. The thing is its only working if it's gaining support. Being known only goes so far. We now know all about them yes but for every person they "recruit" another 5 are pushed away. Plenty of other ways to raise awareness if that's their plan. Their methods are highly flawed if gaining support for their cause is the target. If its to gain fame/infamy then they should keep doing what they are doing. I’ve used this example before and I get it is a flawed argument but people said the same thing about Emily Davison’s methods too." Ahh, good old Emily Davidson. Did your approve of her bombing people? I don’t approve of terrorists. | |||
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"Like I said, there’s more or at least as much disruption caused by train strikes in London to more Londoners than these protests. People just don’t support this cause imo. That’s the crux of it. The protests are nonviolent. They’re not affecting or alienating MOST of the people that get on the internet and hate them. It’s hilarious at this point. " Comparing the targeting of unsuspecting every day people to planned and advertised industrial actions is a strawman argument. Strikes are planned, negotiated, and announced/advertised. People who may be impacted are made aware of with days if not weeks to plan around them. Strikes are focused to cause financial hardship for the business that is explicitly causing the negotiations to fail. Using London train strikes as per your example there will NEVER be a TFL strike without it being sign-posted everywhere and in the paper, on the radio, on TV, and everywhere else. The protests *ARE* violent. Do not confuse a lack of physical aggression with non-violence. Violence does not require to be a physical attack. If you prevented your partner from going somewhere by getting in their way, laying behind their car, walking slowly in front of, or any other way of intentionally causing them distress and delay.. You are terrorising them and that is domestic violence. JSO are not a protesting government, they are terrorising the general public to generate publicity. JSO actively and intentionally alienate and aggravate people that might otherwise be sympathetic to their goal. | |||
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