FabSwingers.com forum: Welfare Cashcard

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Can't buy fags, alcohol or Sky subscription with it etc.

Thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about day to day bills?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't buy fags, alcohol or Sky subscription with it etc.

Thoughts. "
Where would the money to pay for administration, implementation and policing of this come from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't drink or smoke but with out my sky tv I would go insain lol but then again I am not on benifits lol I do agree no fags or drink. but I also think you should have to take a perenting class to get child benifits

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It goes towards day to day expenses. Food, bills etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about day to day bills? "

The same as rent it could be payed strat to the water board or gas company

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By *amieandjulieCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

If we shot anyone on benifits we wouldn't have an issue,

how about tax dodgers ? Give them more money ?

Let's hunt the poor, pity Hitler is dead.

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By *amieandjulieCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

If we shot anyone on benifits we wouldn't have an issue,

how about tax dodgers ? Give them more money ?

Let's hunt the poor, pity Hitler is dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't buy fags, alcohol or Sky subscription with it etc.

Thoughts. Where would the money to pay for administration, implementation and policing of this come from?

I think this is the reson that are country will never have this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is a welfare cashcard? I've not heard of one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like one hell of a can of worms - who gets to decide what people do and don't need to live off?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"I don't drink or smoke but with out my sky tv I would go insain lol but then again I am not on benifits lol I do agree no fags or drink. but I also think you should have to take a perenting class to get child benifits "

Why should you have to take a parenting class to get child benefit??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a welfare cashcard? I've not heard of one. "

It's just an ider .

It would be a bank card sort of thing that benifits would be payed on to . That could only be used to buy food or pay house hold bills . Meaning people on benifits could not buy drink or fags and wouldn't have cash to spend on other things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would never work. Any enterprising small trader would have a way round it within minutes. It is impossible to police anything like that.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Why not go all out and not allow people on benefits to do their own shopping in case they buy a chocolate bar or can of with the money.

Send everyone on benefits a set shopping list each week to live off. Bit like rations in the war.

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By *amieandjulieCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

"What is a welfare cashcard? I've not heard of one.

It's just an ider .

things "

just shoot them then they can't have anything ?? Like Hitler did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Workhouses are a much better idea than welfare cards.

The fact that the great unwashed still has access to my taxes for their own lazy benefits is exactly why this great empire is failing.

What we need is motivation for these layabouts, and handouts allowing them to sit and do bugger all but add strain to our economy is NOT the answer!

The devil makes work for idle hands wot wot and surely by keeping the dashed scoundrels busy will not only benefit those of us who look after our country properly, but will also reduce crime, rickets and the French!

Tally ho!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just shoot them then they can't have anything ?? Like Hitler did. "

There really are no exceptions to Godwin's Law, are there?

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

It's not there to fund luxuries. why should people who work buy fags and booze for those who don't - or what is worse, those scroungers who won't - work?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"It's not there to fund luxuries. why should people who work buy fags and booze for those who don't - or what is worse, those scroungers who won't - work?"

Where do you draw the line tho? Fags, booze, cake, crisps, take away?

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By *amieandjulieCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

"It's not there to fund luxuries. why should people who work buy fags and booze for those who don't - or what is worse, those scroungers who won't - work?"

The poor slagging the poor,Thatchers Britain for you !!

Hitler is alive and well too !!!!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Why should you have to take a parenting class to get child benefit?? "

I'd still like to know the answer to this? Do you mean people on benefits can't look after their own children without a class to teach them how? And that people who work automatically make better parents? Because I can tell you now that definitely isn't the case!!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

After both of us working for many years I would be totally embarrased to end up with the goverment paying my bills for me as I wasn't trusted to do it myself.

Give people some dignity I say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not there to fund luxuries. why should people who work buy fags and booze for those who don't - or what is worse, those scroungers who won't - work?

The poor slagging the poor,Thatchers Britain for you !!

Hitler is alive and well too !!!! "

Thatchers Britain?? What on earth are you talking about? We are in aftermath of a 13 year failed Socialist experiment. Mrs Thatcher has been gone for 2 decades for goodness sake.

This idea is a silly idea from the OP - nothing more than that.

What is needed is a reduction in tax to encourage working. It is grossly ineffecient to take tax, pass it through various government departments and then hand it back as a benefit.

If we are in a situation where the value of benefits outweighs the motivation to work then the country will be fucked for generations.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm confused. I'm on benefits due to my health issues at the moment. Does this mean I'll have to cancel my (basic) sky package and broadband? What do I do when I'm at home feeling chronic and too ill to leave the house, read or anything else?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"After both of us working for many years I would be totally embarrased to end up with the goverment paying my bills for me as I wasn't trusted to do it myself.

Give people some dignity I say."

I agree! I've worked since I was 14, up

To 90 hour weeks for 8 years, now I am a single parent through no fault of my own, my job couldn't give me the hours I needed to be able to look after my son so I had to give it up and so I'm currently a stay at home mum. I don't smoke and don't go out drinking but I occasionally buy a drink to have at home. I don't think that's a big deal tbh! Ill go back to work once my son starts nursery next year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After both of us working for many years I would be totally embarrased to end up with the goverment paying my bills for me as I wasn't trusted to do it myself.

Give people some dignity I say."

Plus what harm a little luxury occasionally?

Poverty is not supposed to be a punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont work and im not scroungers. I look for jobs every day but cant fine one and i dont want to life on benefits

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This idea is a silly idea from the OP - nothing more than that.

Not my idea, it's being discussed on the radio today and raised as a question in the commons later in the week.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"After both of us working for many years I would be totally embarrased to end up with the goverment paying my bills for me as I wasn't trusted to do it myself.

Give people some dignity I say.

Plus what harm a little luxury occasionally?

Poverty is not supposed to be a punishment. "

We have been fortunate enough to never having to claim any benefits....but the way some people speak on here, if we had to claim them now we would be scrounging scum.

It is a sad state of affairs when people can't figure out that most people are not scroungers and have fallen on hard times that they need some help with.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

This idea is a silly idea from the OP - nothing more than that.

Not my idea, it's being discussed on the radio today and raised as a question in the commons later in the week. "

Most of us guessed it was just a question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the posts in here are tragic! Why do people in this country think they are entailed to benefits that far exceed basic living! Trust me folks, sky tv isn't a basic living need, neither are fags etc if you don't work why in the world should somebody else that does have to fork the bill for you to have such things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of the posts in here are tragic! Why do people in this country think they are entailed to benefits that far exceed basic living! Trust me folks, sky tv isn't a basic living need, neither are fags etc if you don't work why in the world should somebody else that does have to fork the bill for you to have such things. "

What about others like myself who have worked for years and years, sometimes three jobs at a time only to find themselves out of work and on benefits?

Must I now bow my head in shame and give up any luxuries I worked for and deserved in the past? am I any less deserving now?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"I'm confused. I'm on benefits due to my health issues at the moment. Does this mean I'll have to cancel my (basic) sky package and broadband? What do I do when I'm at home feeling chronic and too ill to leave the house, read or anything else?

I'm in the same situation. I have 4 chronic health conditions, with no way of anybody wanting to employ me. I struggled with 2 hours a week at night college

Now I'm waiting for a tribunal date as my benefits have been stopped. If the DWP had spent the time to retrieve all medical notes from my various consultants, my MRI & CAT scan images, I wouldn't be in this position. I've lost everything, my independence, my sanity and dignity.

It's difficult as it is, claiming benefits, without the added stress of waiting for a tribunal case, which takes up to 6 months. Now I have to rely on people to take me to my weekly hospital appts, take me shopping, etc etc, as public transport isn't an option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im on benefits at the moment as currently cant find another job after being paid off before xmas. I dont smoke or drink and have free_iew in my house, does that make me a scrounger because i dont think it does. People shouldnt be so quick to shout about "benefit cashcards" as if they were on benefits would they appreciate being told how they can spend what money they get if they were implented?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just for a little bit of clarity, as the OP I heard this being discussed on the radio this morning.

I haven't expressed an opinion, I've just asked the question.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

...... in the mistaken belief that making the poor poorer will somehow enrich their lives.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Just for a little bit of clarity, as the OP I heard this being discussed on the radio this morning.

I haven't expressed an opinion, I've just asked the question. "

It's one of Ian Duncan Smith's 'brainwaves'.

No wondere even the Tories dumped him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love the fact that working people think of unemployed this way!! I was made redundant twice in the space of a year, am trying to find a new job, which with a child under school age is harder than what i first thought. I've been in work since i was 16 right through to the age of 32, and job centre says that they have made it easier for single mums/parents to find work??!!! my arse!!! I struggle but just about survive on what i'm getting at the moment, but as long as my son is fed, watered and warm, i put myself second.

As for the luxuries ...ha ha i wish!!

Please stop tarring everyone who doesn't work, with the same brush.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

...... in the mistaken belief that making the poor poorer will somehow enrich their lives."

If they were intelligent they wouldn't be poor, and it's very difficult to enrich the life of someone who doesn't even know what the word 'enrich' means. Far better for them that they are poor as it gives their limited brainpower something to focus on.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

as long as any children are warm, fed and clothed before a cigarette is smoked or alcohol is d*unk.... what people spend their money on is their choice.

good luck to them and hope life improves.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can't buy fags, alcohol or Sky subscription with it etc.

Thoughts. "

Can anyone seriously see a Tory government implementing any measure which will reduce the profits of the drinks industry, the tobacco industry or piss off Rupert Murdoch?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"as long as any children are warm, fed and clothed before a cigarette is smoked or alcohol is d*unk.... what people spend their money on is their choice.

good luck to them and hope life improves."

I agree. Children should definitely eat all their tea up before having a ciggie, it can give awful indigestion smoking on an empty tummy.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"as long as any children are warm, fed and clothed before a cigarette is smoked or alcohol is d*unk.... what people spend their money on is their choice.

good luck to them and hope life improves.

I agree. Children should definitely eat all their tea up before having a ciggie, it can give awful indigestion smoking on an empty tummy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This idea would raise crime and lose millions in taxes from alcohol and tabacco.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

its not an Ian Duncan Smith Scheme......

it was a proposal put forward by one of the "thinktanks"

because when "universal credit" in at the back end of next year... people are going to be given 4 weeks worth of money, including rent... and will be told... thats your lot.. budget as needed!

the better idea may well be "budgeting" lessons, because the biggest fear is that "rent money" will go on what could be deemed as luxuries (fags and booze)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't have a system without benefits but I'm not in favour of telling them how to spend it either. The Universal benefit idea is a good one, give them what they're entitled to and as someone said above, that's ya lot. If they spend it on booze and cigs then tough shit, there's no more. If children suffer because of it then it will soon become apparent that they're not being fed, in which case they can be removed from a harmful and abusive environment and placed with a family who wants them, and their parents will find their benefits reduced due to them having less mouths to feed.

Tough justice I call it.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

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By *agna Cum LaudeMan
over a year ago

Laudable

"its not an Ian Duncan Smith Scheme......

it was a proposal put forward by one of the "thinktanks"

because when "universal credit" in at the back end of next year... people are going to be given 4 weeks worth of money, including rent... and will be told... thats your lot.. budget as needed!

the better idea may well be "budgeting" lessons, because the biggest fear is that "rent money" will go on what could be deemed as luxuries (fags and booze)"
These are very complex issues that seem to polarise people and opinion. It seems that the right wing amonst the Fab Forumites see the stick as being the way to get people into work. Its a fact (ONS) that around 0.2% of the working population are "structurally unemployed" that is to say they will not work even though they are fit and able. We are talking about a small number of folk here who will always be there because they are lazy and will always look to the system to provide for them. It seems to me that to bring in aggressive and selective policies on all those who have a valid reason to need support is unfair to say the least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not go all out and not allow people on benefits to do their own shopping in case they buy a chocolate bar or can of with the money.

Send everyone on benefits a set shopping list each week to live off. Bit like rations in the war. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?"

But they will always complain they need more won't they.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

But they will always complain they need more won't they."

Thats not quite what you looked like you were saying.

I am guessing once people get their benefits then thats it...they do have to budget or they go without.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?"

only as a 1 off crisis loan...... and they have to pay it back.... which comes out of their benefits anyway...

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?"

Its an emergency loan, it has to be for a set something and with proof you need it and it gets repaid at source (repayments come out of future benefit payments before you get them).

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

only as a 1 off crisis loan...... and they have to pay it back.... which comes out of their benefits anyway..."

So a week to week basis they can't ask for more ....thats what I thought , thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

But they will always complain they need more won't they.

Thats not quite what you looked like you were saying.

I am guessing once people get their benefits then thats it...they do have to budget or they go without."

My post was aimed more at highlighting the fact that benefits are often spent on non-essential items and benefit claimants complain they don't get enough to live on. Well, tough. Make sacrifices like we all have to when times are lean.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

only as a 1 off crisis loan...... and they have to pay it back.... which comes out of their benefits anyway..."
had to get one of these last week have had no work from my agency since xmas so forced to sign on . this was two weeks ago and still not recieved anything so forced to get a crisis loan of £150 to be able to put gas electric etc on + buy food etc . this has to be paid back out of my benefits at £5.90 a week if and when it eventualy comes through .

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

only as a 1 off crisis loan...... and they have to pay it back.... which comes out of their benefits anyway...

So a week to week basis they can't ask for more ....thats what I thought , thanks.

no... as tempting said its there more as an emergency... lets say a cooker or a boiler for example were to blow up.... its more for that type of "crisis"

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I wasn't aware that if people on benefits ran out that they could ask for more anyway?

But they will always complain they need more won't they.

Thats not quite what you looked like you were saying.

I am guessing once people get their benefits then thats it...they do have to budget or they go without.

I agree. to a certain extent.

It was the bit where you said they shouldn't get any more that had me puzzled, as it seems on a week to week basis they can't anyway.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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After reading some of these posts, I am very grateful that we are not in the same situations.

Now I know the goverment can't give pots of money out if you lose your job and I think I would be grateful just to be getting any help, but it must be hard to stay afloat when things are against you.

There for the grace of god and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never once complained about working to " pay for other people" so to speak. They are in need, health reasons, loss of jobs and redundancy. Yes there are a few that take the piss but mostly it is people that have worked and are willing but have fallen into the trap where they need enough money from their jobs to pay all the bills but in order to get back into work have to find a way of making their minimum wages stretch. Most people trying to get back into work are instantly in debt add that to lack of jobs. I would hate to think that a child had to go without in this country in these times. People on benefits don't live in luxury, they are constantly judged and any self confidence they did have is knocked. How about instead of bitching about the poor and that tiny blip in the ocean we call walfare that our annoyances are taken out on the tax dodgers on the other end of the scale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I understand the motive behind restricting benefit cards to necessary purchases, Its an ill conceived concept that won’t work on those determined to beat the system and will probably result in widespread profiteering by unscrupulous shopkeepers able to take advantage of exploiting the obvious loopholes.

Thats my tuppenceworth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That may be the case and yes you could afford luxuries while you were in work but the fact is you no longer are so if you haven't made enough during your time working why do you think it's acceptable to continue having these such luxuries at the expense if other people. It's like saying you could buy a porche if only you had a better job but because you don't someone else should make the difference up to pay for it.

What about others like myself who have worked for years and years, sometimes three jobs at a time only to find themselves out of work and on benefits?

Must I now bow my head in shame and give up any luxuries I worked for and deserved in the past? am I any less deserving now? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And to my above message I don't believe benefits are a bad thing and people really do need them at times, I just don't believe they should be allowed to be spent in such frivolous things as sky tv and fags!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Must I now bow my head in shame and give up any luxuries I worked for and deserved in the past? am I any less deserving now? "

No, if you own them outright, they're yours to keep, but if you have ongoing payments in order to keep them and you don't have the funds to meet those payments then yes, you should give them up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Must I now bow my head in shame and give up any luxuries I worked for and deserved in the past? am I any less deserving now?

No, if you own them outright, they're yours to keep, but if you have ongoing payments in order to keep them and you don't have the funds to meet those payments then yes, you should give them up."

Glad someone else in here agrees with me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm so worn out reading threads where insensitive bastards use words such as scroungers and lay abouts for people on benefits. Not everyone on benefits are lazy scroungers. What about the folk who lost there jobs when the fat cat bankers fucked everyone? What about the boys and girls who leave the army to find no employers want them as they're deemed too regimented? Its about time some people on here just shut the fuck up and stop flapping their lips with so much fucking shite. Anyone of us coud find our comfortable little lifes screwed at anytime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm so worn out reading threads where insensitive bastards use words such as scroungers and lay abouts for people on benefits. Not everyone on benefits are lazy scroungers. What about the folk who lost there jobs when the fat cat bankers fucked everyone? What about the boys and girls who leave the army to find no employers want them as they're deemed too regimented? Its about time some people on here just shut the fuck up and stop flapping their lips with so much fucking shite. Anyone of us coud find our comfortable little lifes screwed at anytime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not forgetting that it is OK to label fat cats and Big Companies as tax dodgers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ooo censorship, my favourite subject. How about those who moan so much about being labelled a scrounger etc get off their fat arses and get a job. There's plenty out there if one isn't too selective or prissy about what one is prepared to do to earn a living."
I totaly agree with reducing benefits for those who have never worked and never intend to. I would also stop paying people with self induced illnesses such as, you've ate yourself so fat you can't work or you have a dependency on alcohol or drugs. I don't see why my hard earned taxes should pay for these folk. But I'm aware that most people on benefits don't want to be. I just wish folk would be a little more considerate before posting pish about witch hunting poor people. Anyone of us could be forced to join the labour market at any time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

Oh... The irony......

I think it was simply a statement that wealthy people, by and large, are sharp, positive and intelligent as, by being this way, they have managed to accumulate and/or hang on to their wealth.

I think that you made the assumption of the opposite being true rather than the poster make the accusation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't buy fags, alcohol or Sky subscription with it etc.

Thoughts. "

In theory a good idea but in reality people will buy other things to sell then go buy fags and alcohol anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. Many of the people I knew on that estate are very wealthy, and two I know personally are millionaires through sheer hard graft. There are lots more still on that estate because they were too stupid to figure out a way to leave it. That is what I mean by 'poor'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not forgetting that it is OK to label fat cats and Big Companies as tax dodgers

Which they do legally. My accounts are due in Feb and I fully expect my accountant to minimise my tax bill as much as he legally can. In my case, I've been trading for one year so my start up costs will absorb much, if not all, of my tax liability for this year. If I make enough money to have to pay corporation tax next year I will expect my accountant to tell me what to take as a director's dividend and whether to invest in new tools/vehicles for my business, thus reducing my corporation tax bill. If there's still money that can be taxed after that then I'll gladly pay it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

So I'm not involving myself in the debate,,,But I'm just curious to know,,,,,

Do you feel these “stupidly poor” people come from the shallow end of the gene pool….?. and if so , are you suggesting they should resign themselves to live an impoverished existence because they lack the intellect and intelligence to achieve more….?.

Or do you think they all have the latent potential to achieve greater things as long as they accept the struggle to achieve will be harder for them because they are thick….?.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"its not an Ian Duncan Smith Scheme......

it was a proposal put forward by one of the "thinktanks"

......... "

This has IDS fingerprints all over it.

It's being fronted by Alec Shelbrooke (the kind of nasty Tory who gives nasty Tories a bad name).

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......If children suffer because of it then it will soon become apparent that they're not being fed, in which case they can be removed from a harmful and abusive environment and placed with a family who wants them, ............."

Maybe the family which 'wants them' could be encouraged to make a payment to the Exchequer for the priviledge.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

do you have children yourself?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. ."

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Yes, after you spell of no work for a while you changed direction and trained for something else....and yes a lot of people could try and do the same....but for the ones who don't, it doesn't make them stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Council Estate Tories.

Often the worst kind. They seem to think that because they had the motivation/luck/chances to move out, everyone who doesn't is thick and/or lazy.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Council Estate Tories.

Often the worst kind. They seem to think that because they had the motivation/luck/chances to move out, everyone who doesn't is thick and/or lazy."

Council estate Tories. All too quick to pull the ladder up behind them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I grew up on a council estate and graduated from one of the "elite" universities where my contemporaries were almost universally from rich backgrounds - there were just as many of "thick" people at university as back on the estate and vice-versa.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

"Why not go all out and not allow people on benefits to do their own shopping in case they buy a chocolate bar or can of with the money.

Send everyone on benefits a set shopping list each week to live off. Bit like rations in the war. "

FO I dont like chocolate, can I have a wee glass of wine instead... These damnded screaming weans are daeing ma tits in...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Council Estate Tories.

Often the worst kind. They seem to think that because they had the motivation/luck/chances to move out, everyone who doesn't is thick and/or lazy."

Believe it or not, this country is laden with opportunity. The reason so many Easter Europeans come here and become successful is because they see the opportunity and they graft to achieve success.

Like it or not, the vast majority of the native population are complacent as a consequence of the very comfortable life that they have had in post WW2 Britain. Hard work, effort and determination are not needed to survive in the UK and so it is the exception, rather than the norm when people pursue financial success.

The parents of recent immigrants from Eastern Euroipe lived under an extreme form of Socialism - called communism. They could not aspire to anything, they had nowhere to go and no way of improving their lives. What their children have now is an opportunity to succeed and this is why they have such a great work ethic. They will start at the bottom and earn pennies to begin with, they will work hard and for long hours because they see possibilities. Five or six years into the Polish invasion and we have major building contractors, cleaning contractors, taxi firms, property management companies, shops - and more - all Polish owned. Polish hospitality staff are now Managers and senior Managers - WHY IS THIS?

All of these opportunities were available to the native UK population but complacency borne by the good life meant that the Poles got on with it, whilst the Brits moaned about it.

Unpleasant facts. But true. You want to make a difference in your life you have to be prepared to do something about it - and you don't even have to move countries - the opportunities are here on your doorstep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God forbid anyone who is now working loses their job , house etc and have to go on benefits.

Why not be done with the lot and shoot anyone who needs benefits, who reaches 50...It would save a fortune for the tax payers (of which im one) and save a fortune on pensions.

People not allowed to buy what they want , would resort to stealing etc.

Drug addicts get what they need for their addictions.....shoot them as well,.

Simples.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Why not go all out and not allow people on benefits to do their own shopping in case they buy a chocolate bar or can of with the money.

Send everyone on benefits a set shopping list each week to live off. Bit like rations in the war.

FO I dont like chocolate, can I have a wee glass of wine instead... These damnded screaming weans are daeing ma tits in..."

I'm glad you knew I was being sarcastic! Lol. No wine! Water for the people on benefits only remember x

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

Sell your car...you can walk

sell your washing machine...ou can fo it by hand

school uniforms...take kids out of school and set them to work

phones....learn to use smoke signals

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Sell your car...you can walk

sell your washing machine...ou can fo it by hand

school uniforms...take kids out of school and set them to work

phones....learn to use smoke signals

Or carrier pigeon, but seeing as we are on rations it won't be long before the pidgeon gets served for dinner.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"God forbid anyone who is now working loses their job , house etc and have to go on benefits.

Why not be done with the lot and shoot anyone who needs benefits, who reaches 50...It would save a fortune for the tax payers (of which im one) and save a fortune on pensions.

People not allowed to buy what they want , would resort to stealing etc.

Drug addicts get what they need for their addictions.....shoot them as well,.

Simples. "

Guess you could recycle their clothes to the rest of the estate then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unpleasant facts" laden with exaggeration and disambiguity in order to get your point across.

Some Polish people have been remarkably successful, but large numbers haven't and many more have returned home.

The vast majority of people from this country make successful, comfortable lives for themselves too - but let's keep trying to blame the problems of Capital on a feckless few. It's a simple trick as old as the hills.

People don't need the threat of starvation and disease to.motivate them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is appalling once again folk on benefits getting hit again not everyone is a dosser makes my blood boil.

The tories say the state has too much control on folks lives yet they think of this.

I do not drink or smoke but the principle that folk want to tell me what i can and cant use my money on is tantamount to dictatorship.

If they actually went for likes of starbucks etc and others to pay a reasonable and fair tax on what they sell here then folk may be more at ease with shit like this all they do is talk about it yet do fuck all.

As above folk on benefits are easy target and its a small minority that milk the system but folk only see that side of it in press.

I have a nate who is terminally ill and veen told he is fit to work because he breath and move his arms what sort of nation have we become.

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By *illycarrolCouple
over a year ago

n/cle on tyne

"I've never once complained about working to " pay for other people" so to speak. They are in need, health reasons, loss of jobs and redundancy. Yes there are a few that take the piss but mostly it is people that have worked and are willing but have fallen into the trap where they need enough money from their jobs to pay all the bills but in order to get back into work have to find a way of making their minimum wages stretch. Most people trying to get back into work are instantly in debt add that to lack of jobs. I would hate to think that a child had to go without in this country in these times. People on benefits don't live in luxury, they are constantly judged and any self confidence they did have is knocked. How about instead of bitching about the poor and that tiny blip in the ocean we call walfare that our annoyances are taken out on the tax dodgers on the other end of the scale."
very true, typical fatcat deflection, blame the poor whilst we get richer with our tax dodging chums and keep the focus on them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the family which 'wants them' could be encouraged to make a payment to the Exchequer for the priviledge."

Why?

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over a year ago

"I grew up on a council estate and graduated from one of the "elite" universities where my contemporaries were almost universally from rich backgrounds - there were just as many of "thick" people at university as back on the estate and vice-versa."

Frankly, that's bullshit. If someone was that thick they wouldn't get the grades to even get an inter_iew for Oxbridge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Council Estate Tories.

Often the worst kind. They seem to think that because they had the motivation/luck/chances to move out, everyone who doesn't is thick and/or lazy.

Council estate Tories. All too quick to pull the ladder up behind them."

Of course. You don't seriously think I want riff raff following me up do you?

My children will never know where I came from. They'll have no idea where it is nor how to get there. I'll make damn sure of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Sorry but what the fuck has draggin yer arse out a council estate got to do with brains??

And if you still HAVE to work in your own buisness to pay bills then yer probs still poor! Lol!

Are you saying poor people are that way because they lack intellegence or not,

Because that is what you said!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

So I'm not involving myself in the debate,,,But I'm just curious to know,,,,,

Or do you think they all have the latent potential to achieve greater things as long as they accept the struggle to achieve will be harder for them because they are thick….?.

What I'm saying is that people aren't equal, they never have been and never will be, and any attempt to make them equal is doomed to failure.

Sure you can take a kid who isn't so bright and put him in a good school amongst hard working kids and he might do ok for himself but he won't set the world alight. Take a smart kid and put him in a downbeat school and he'll rise above his contemporaries eventually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in the welfare to work industry and think the idea behind the card is right, the amount of people who get benefits and dont do what they have agreed to do for that money is sky high.

However as is the way with the DWP the implementation of such idea will only ever keep it to a fantasy or open to extensive fraud.....

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By *ixties-duoMan
over a year ago

keighley

i work and receive working family tax credit, i have 2 jobs...my kids are 14 and 15 ..both clever lads hoping to go to uni

i rent my house and have token meters for gas and elec, so basically have to pay up front ..at the moment with the very cold spell i am putting up to £70 a week in my gas !! just to keep us warm, clean us (hotwater) and feed us (cooker)

my next door neighbour signs on has 4 children under 5 shes 21 .....has been getting an extra £25 a week "cold weather payment" she was moaning to me this morning it hadnt gone in the bank this morning so she cudnt get the new "70 shoes she wanted to go out with this weekend and was furious!!

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"i work and receive working family tax credit, i have 2 jobs...my kids are 14 and 15 ..both clever lads hoping to go to uni

That is the sort of thing that sooils it for genuine needy folk and sort of thing press use they never report for most folk surviving and that is what it is on benefits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

...... in the mistaken belief that making the poor poorer will somehow enrich their lives.

without reading further at this point I sincerely hope this is tongue in cheek? I am one of the "damned scroungers" as so often quoted by so called non judgemental folks on here. but do not dare infer, accuse me of or imply I lack intelligence. I have 2 degrees, I qualified as a private pilot years ago, I am currently completing a level 5 diploma course to get back into work.

I find this assumption offensive, I am intelligent but down on my luck at the moment. get over yourself you nasty opinionated individual.

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over a year ago

absolutely agree , succinctly put lol

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By *ixties-duoMan
over a year ago

keighley

"I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

...... in the mistaken belief that making the poor poorer will somehow enrich their lives.

I find this assumption offensive, I am intelligent but down on my luck at the moment. get over yourself you nasty opinionated individual. "

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Frankly, that's bullshit. If someone was that thick they wouldn't get the grades to even get an inter_iew for Oxbridge."

Sorry Wishy, but frankly that shows a little nativity as to how the world works. Some kids are trained for their Oxbridge entrance exams from an early age. Certain schools know exactly what their kids have to learn to pass them. With that kind of "assistance" a lot more would pass. I am confident to repeat that some of the stupidest people I've met were shoehorned into university.

As a working class kid in an establishment world, I was made well aware of my "place" on a regular basis by fellow students, academics and authorities alike. I didn't attend Oxbridge, and can only assume things were even worse there.

I'm not suggesting that every child has the ability - far from it - but if you think the education system, or indeed any institution, isn't heavily favoured towards those who are already wealthy, then you're off the mark (in my opinion).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Must I now bow my head in shame and give up any luxuries I worked for and deserved in the past? am I any less deserving now?

No, if you own them outright, they're yours to keep, but if you have ongoing payments in order to keep them and you don't have the funds to meet those payments then yes, you should give them up.

Glad someone else in here agrees with me"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

...... in the mistaken belief that making the poor poorer will somehow enrich their lives.

I find this assumption offensive, I am intelligent but down on my luck at the moment. get over yourself you nasty opinionated individual. "

Can't you debate without getting personal?

If this thread had been entitled 'Jeremy Kyle' I suspect the same people posting about how wrong it is to label poor people as thick would have been posting unsavoury messages about muffin tops, tracksuit bottoms and people with six teeth all pointing in different directions.

We've all seen them, in the high st, hanging around on corners... thick, stupid people who couldn't rob a bank even if you left the doors open and the vault agape at midnight with an express invitation to take what they wanted.

But call them 'poor' and I'm some sort of dirty little Tory.

I ask anyone who's condemned me on here to invite one of these idiots into their home for a few nights and see how compassionate you are then. You'd watch them - and your possessions - like a hawk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Frankly, that's bullshit. If someone was that thick they wouldn't get the grades to even get an inter_iew for Oxbridge.

I* know full well how the elitist universities operate. My own wife wasn't accepted for Cambridge although she had all the grades needed to gain entry. She wasn't a paying foreign student either. It was simply that her face didn't fit.

A friend's daughter has been at Oxford for a year, but then her auntie is a very successful, very rich and very well connected TV producer.

I know how the system works, but she wouldn't be at Oxford if she couldn't cut it. Oxbridge isn't elitist just because of their high-brow students, they have to be selective to keep their status as the top universities in the world, and that means keeping out people who can't make the grade. I'm sure that in any system there will be those who slip through the net and Oxbridge will have their fair share of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they were intelligent they wouldn't be poor, and it's very difficult to enrich the life of someone who doesn't even know what the word 'enrich' means. Far better for them that they are poor as it gives their limited brainpower something to focus on."

And joy of joys, after spending £4 billion a year for 10 years directly on an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, heaven knows how much in Iraq, we're diving into conflict in Mali for little or no benefit to our country.

We got shafted by our banks and even the Churches were amongst the jackals making UNTAXABLE fortunes shortselling and worsening the crisis.

The idiot who oversaw it all has just been knighted, I could go on but you get the gist, yet somehow it's the poor who are unintelligent and the rich who act in an unimpeachable manner with nothing but love and philanthropy on their minds as they find new ways to convince us plebs that less is more and we're all in the same sinking boat!

Utter bollocks and the person who wrote the above quote has really fallen hook, line and sinker for it sitting in their ivory tower reading too much of The Daily Mail on their Apple iPad after checking how much house prices have fallen since the immigrant family moved in down the road.

Luckily us "poor" are still allowed to vote for now

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

Believe it or not, this country is laden with opportunity. The reason so many Easter Europeans come here and become successful is because they see the opportunity and they graft to achieve success.

All of these opportunities were available to the native UK population but complacency borne by the good life meant that the Poles got on with it, whilst the Brits moaned about it.

Somebody here writes good sense!

Some years back G worked trying to get unemployed people in a particular smallish Northern town into jobs. People wouldn't accept jobs offered to them if they lived on the opposite side of the town from the job - only a short bus ride away. They expected to walk to work (and not far)!

R's son has Poles with degrees working for him doing cleaning work. They're ambitious and see the job as a step up to better jobs. There are plenty of Brits unemployed in his town, but few seem to want the jobs offered.

"Go figure" as the Yanks say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people would like all people on benefit to be living under the arches of railway sidings with scraps of food given to them that the people who work throw in their dustbins.

...... in the mistaken belief that making the poor poorer will somehow enrich their lives.

I find this assumption offensive, I am intelligent but down on my luck at the moment. get over yourself you nasty opinionated individual.

Can't you debate without getting personal?

But call them 'poor' and I'm some sort of dirty little Tory.

I ask anyone who's condemned me on here to invite one of these idiots into their home for a few nights and see how compassionate you are then. You'd watch them - and your possessions - like a hawk."

no debate , i find your comments insulting, PERSONAL, and offensive. Therefore I will reply personally, if you dont like it stop being offensive to others, not just me to many who your ill comments may offend. End of. Simple. Unlike me. I never thought i would say this but I sincerely hope you fall on ill fortune when I'm back on my feet. However I wont insult and berate but offer helpful advice and show compassion - look it up .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We got shafted by our banks and even the Churches were amongst the jackals making UNTAXABLE fortunes shortselling and worsening the crisis.

Luckily us "poor" are still allowed to vote for now

Oh careful, the guilty party won't like remarks being made against themselves, that's the privilege of the well to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We got shafted by our banks and even the Churches were amongst the jackals making UNTAXABLE fortunes shortselling and worsening the crisis.

Luckily us "poor" are still allowed to vote for now

Oh careful, the guilty party won't like remarks being made against themselves, that's the privilege of the well to do.

At least he made them in an open forum eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We got shafted by our banks and even the Churches were amongst the jackals making UNTAXABLE fortunes shortselling and worsening the crisis.

Luckily us "poor" are still allowed to vote for now

Oh careful, the guilty party won't like remarks being made against themselves, that's the privilege of the well to do.

At least he made them in an open forum eh?

as have I, as have I my opinions are just as valid as yours as I feel you are personal towards others in your judgemental statements, therefore I will respond

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about others like myself who have worked for years and years, sometimes three jobs at a time only to find themselves out of work and on benefits?

Must I now bow my head in shame and give up any luxuries I worked for and deserved in the past? am I any less deserving now?

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough, yes I could afford luxuries, nice clothes, holidays abroad etc. What I meant was my luxuries are a bar of chocolate or an occasional bottle of wine now, not the same as before but still classed a luxury in these more austere times.

I still have the nice clothes despite being 'poor'

I own my own house and car, yet have been told to sell these by a government 'advisor' I don't see them as luxuries but necessities. I've already traded down from the big 5 bed architect designed house to a 2 bed ex council semi, lived off my savings because no benefits are given if you have any savings. ........ I'm sometimes made to feel I should wear sack-cloth and ashes and put my family on the streets.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Council Estate Tories.

Often the worst kind. They seem to think that because they had the motivation/luck/chances to move out, everyone who doesn't is thick and/or lazy.

Council estate Tories. All too quick to pull the ladder up behind them.

Of course. You don't seriously think I want riff raff following me up do you?

My children will never know where I came from. They'll have no idea where it is nor how to get there. I'll make damn sure of that."

Are you seriously ashamed of where you came from Wishy?.....what frightens you about your children finding out about where you originated from?

I find that really strange

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Council Estate Tories.

Often the worst kind. They seem to think that because they had the motivation/luck/chances to move out, everyone who doesn't is thick and/or lazy.

Council estate Tories. All too quick to pull the ladder up behind them.

Of course. You don't seriously think I want riff raff following me up do you?

My children will never know where I came from. They'll have no idea where it is nor how to get there. I'll make damn sure of that.

Are you seriously ashamed of where you came from Wishy?.....what frightens you about your children finding out about where you originated from?

I find that really strange"

As do I. Ex cooncil kid here from some of the roughest estates in Dundee, I too pulled myself out of there with sheer hard work and determination, got myself an education and a trade. Through circumstances beyond my control I'm sliding back down that social ladder and could be there again.

However my kids all know where I come from, how far I have come and are as proud as myself that I made it. Like you I was "on top of the world ma!"

Don't crow too loudly Wishy, no-one can foresee their own future no mater how hard they work and plan for it.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

I ended up on benefits through no fault of my own. I was ill and my ex left so ended up with no job and on my own with three kids. Being on benefits is no fun and my Tax Credits were stopped for 4 months when I told them of my change in circumstances.

It's not the meal ticket some make it out to be.

I am now on a temporary contract which ends soon unless it's extended. I spent two years trying to get into employment and without Tax Credits my wages wouldn't be enough to live on and pay all my bills.

I don't smoke and only drink on rare occasions. Don't tar us all with the same brush.

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What saddens me about some of the posts here is it seems apparent there are some people who think money is the measure of all success and the less money you have, the less value you have as a person… …

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

It does my children the world of good to see where my husband and I originate from, we pulled ourselves out of that early family poverty and made ourselves a very decent life.....and we have taken our own kids back there a couple of times to show them how lucky we are as a family.

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD.

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over a year ago

The corner shop near me take the healthy start vouchers for fags and booze

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over a year ago

"It does my children the world of good to see where my husband and I originate from, we pulled ourselves out of that early family poverty and made ourselves a very decent life.....and we have taken our own kids back there a couple of times to show them how lucky we are as a family.

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD."

agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We got shafted by our banks and even the Churches were amongst the jackals making UNTAXABLE fortunes shortselling and worsening the crisis.

Luckily us "poor" are still allowed to vote for now

Oh careful, the guilty party won't like remarks being made against themselves, that's the privilege of the well to do.

At least he made them in an open forum eh?

as have I, as have I my opinions are just as valid as yours as I feel you are personal towards others in your judgemental statements, therefore I will respond

Being personal is making a direct remark to a specific person. My comments were aimed at a demographic section of society, but if you feel you need to be offended on their behalf, please go ahead and do so.

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over a year ago

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD."

I haven't worked hard to better myself just so I can show my children what they missed out on. Sod that. I hope they never hear of the place where I grew up. What's the point in bettering oneself only to revisit decades later the very place you strived to escape from.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD.

Then they probably won't truly appreciate what they have got.

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

As it happens, work is coming in regularly now and the advertising is paying off. Even my accountant said what you just said a year ago, but he said it would take two years to establish myself. I'll be happy with 18 months to get to a stage where I can bring enough in to allow Siren to drop back to four days a week so she can have more time with the little one as she feels she's missing out on these early years.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Simple answer to that....because we are grounded, we and our kids will never take anything for granted in life because we haven't swept our early years under the carpet because we not ashamed of them....

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over a year ago

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD.

Then they probably won't truly appreciate what they have got. "

So to get them to appreciate what they have they have to visit a run down, dilapidated, filthy, drug ridden, crime laden, stinking festhole of a bunch of houses? I think not.

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over a year ago

"Simple answer to that....because we are grounded, we and our kids will never take anything for granted in life because we haven't swept our early years under the carpet because we not ashamed of them....

How did shame creep into this? It's not about being ashamed. I couldn't care if I never see the place I grew up again. I hated it there and got out as soon as I could. Why on earth would I want my kids to go there. Or even tell them about it.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD.

Then they probably won't truly appreciate what they have got.

So to get them to appreciate what they have they have to visit a run down, dilapidated, filthy, drug ridden, crime laden, stinking festhole of a bunch of houses? I think not."

Who said visit?

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over a year ago

NEVER be ashamed of your roots....be PROUD.

Then they probably won't truly appreciate what they have got.

So to get them to appreciate what they have they have to visit a run down, dilapidated, filthy, drug ridden, crime laden, stinking festhole of a bunch of houses? I think not.

Who said visit?"

Ok then, tell them about. I don't want the sort of place I grew up in to even be on their radar. If that's me being a bad dad then I'm the worst dad in the world.

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By *ubyExpreeWoman
over a year ago

BBBW Heaven

"Workhouses are a much better idea than welfare cards.

The fact that the great unwashed still has access to my taxes for their own lazy benefits is exactly why this great empire is failing.

What we need is motivation for these layabouts, and handouts allowing them to sit and do bugger all but add strain to our economy is NOT the answer!

Tally ho!"

Views like your unfourtunatley show ignorance. Many on benefit work and are often parents who either can not work full time and pay for child care or who work but are on basic minimum wage and unable to afford high levels of rent. I would suggest you do some research before talking ignorance.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Of course, that was my thinking too.

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O o O oo

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

If I am senile and it wasn't you my apologies...but I can't think of which thread it was on to find it.....but was as it you who mentioned on another thread once that you couldn't remember which one it was but Siren claimed the tax credits / child credits in your house.

Would these count as benefits?

To your other points, I can understand you not wanting to go back to poverty, or even visit the places you used to live in poverty....but I don't see any harm in us parents giving the old " in my day we used to share a double bed with three other kids but it didn't do us any harm" speech

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

...... It was the old, "mum, wee bro's got his leg stuck down the sleeve of the duvette" joke amused my kids.

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over a year ago

"Workhouses are a much better idea than welfare cards.

The fact that the great unwashed still has access to my taxes for their own lazy benefits is exactly why this great empire is failing.

What we need is motivation for these layabouts, and handouts allowing them to sit and do bugger all but add strain to our economy is NOT the answer!

Tally ho!

My dear.. Views like mine are quite obviously far more advanced than the likes of you, who seem to find a characterised personification of an avuncular figure of times gone by to be of this day and age!

Silly girl, it was a Dickensian jibe, aimed to cause a little mirth amongst those feeling down in the proverbial dump.

Mind you, having a personality where one finds oneself talking about ones self from a third person perspective immediately causes me to understand how such a fragile mind failed to grasp the humour.

Pip pip!!

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over a year ago

O o O oo

...... It was the old, "mum, wee bro's got his leg stuck down the sleeve of the duvette" joke amused my kids.

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By *ub bbwWoman
over a year ago

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I had a private education and trained to be a chef until I had a child then I retrained as the hours were unsuitable. Unfortunately I lost my child and had some time off as it destroyed my world and I became very sick. I had worked since leaving school and took hardly any time off to have my child I only claimed child benefit and tax credits. I was a single mum and I grafted I am now unemployed after funding for my job was cut I apply for jobs and do everything I can to get by but I went from earning £20k to £70 a week I I live hand to mouth and would agree that some workshop people are a drain but perhaps people like me should get more help in finding work such as training schemes but I've been offered nothing. I don't buy booze and fags I buy basic food shopping of £25 a week and I pay my bills but I hate seeing parents with a box of beer 80 fags and a bag of value chips and nuggets for their 5 screaming kids that's not right.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

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God, what a depressing read.

Some of the comments towards those less fortunate are shocking.

But for the grace of God...

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over a year ago

"I had a private education and trained to be a chef until I had a child then I retrained as the hours were unsuitable. Unfortunately I lost my child and had some time off as it destroyed my world and I became very sick. I had worked since leaving school and took hardly any time off to have my child I only claimed child benefit and tax credits. I was a single mum and I grafted I am now unemployed after funding for my job was cut I apply for jobs and do everything I can to get by but I went from earning £20k to £70 a week I I live hand to mouth and would agree that some workshop people are a drain but perhaps people like me should get more help in finding work such as training schemes but I've been offered nothing. I don't buy booze and fags I buy basic food shopping of £25 a week and I pay my bills but I hate seeing parents with a box of beer 80 fags and a bag of value chips and nuggets for their 5 screaming kids that's not right."

It's people like you who deserve all the help the state can give. I wish you all the good fortune for the future and hope situation improves.

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By *ub bbwWoman
over a year ago

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It's people like you who deserve all the help the state can give. I wish you all the good fortune for the future and hope situation improves. "
thanks I'm trying to stay sane but it's hard its depressing looking for work in this day and age but I will persevere

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over a year ago

Chin up Sub BBW hope your fortunes change for the better soon. xx

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Chin up Sub BBW hope your fortunes change for the better soon. xx"
yeah chin up hun am in much the same boat went from £34.000 a year to £70 a week then got a job driving for minimum wage have been bareley gettin by for last two years now even that has dried up now back to claiming the dole after no work for a month now according to some on here im a scrounger maybe i should walk the streets in sack cloth n ashes begging for scraps as im to "thick " to find a job

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

To clarify, while I was retraining I wasn't working (I didn't have an income that could be taxed) so if I didn't go to the DossCentre and sign on I would be liable for National Insurance payments as though I HAD been working. When they take down all your details, including income from a spouse, it was determined that we qualified for working families tax credit, which Siren duly claimed. Nothing illegal, no underhand tax dodge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God, what a depressing read.

Some of the comments towards those less fortunate are shocking.

But for the grace of God..."

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

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so when its YOU claiming legaly what you are entitled to its ok but anybody else doing the same they are a scrounger and thick ???

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

Sounds a bit like one of those reformed smokers

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

so when its YOU claiming legaly what you are entitled to its ok but anybody else doing the same they are a scrounger and thick ???"

Read back. I haven't mentioned the word 'scrounger' at all. Ok.

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

so when its YOU claiming legaly what you are entitled to its ok but anybody else doing the same they are a scrounger and thick ???"

The benefit of an anonymous forum is that you can attribute words that were never said without fear of repercussions.

As far as I have seen Wishy has made forthright and honest _iews which are very generic in nature but has never said anyone was a scrounged.

Assumption eh.... The mother of all fuck ups.

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

Sounds a bit like one of those reformed smokers

Not me. Much to my wife's annoyance. I enjoy a nice smoke.

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over a year ago

Are you saying all poor people are stupid?

There's a world of difference between someone successful hitting a bad patch and someone too thick to hold down the simplest of jobs.

Poverty isn't hereditary, you can drag yourself out of it if you have the brains to do it. I am from a council sink estate yet now I am an electrician with my own business. .

With a turnover of very little according to your next post.

Do you employ people or are you a self employed one man electrician?

Either way, you are not making anything yet so you can't be called successful yet.

Very few businesses become succesful after a year of trading, it takes a lot of hard work and plenty of ups and downs before a fledgling business even gets to the stable stage.

Yes, it sure does, but unless we had other means of paying our way we wouldn't have been able to indulge my little business foray.

Would these count as benefits?

I think the kids will appreciate what they have and how they were brought up, I know ours do

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

so when its YOU claiming legaly what you are entitled to its ok but anybody else doing the same they are a scrounger and thick ???"

to recap, job-seekers allowance, Nation Stamp paid and families tax credit.

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over a year ago

"The benefit of an anonymous forum is that you can attribute words that were never said without fear of repercussions.

As far as I have seen Wishy has made forthright and honest _iews which are very generic in nature but has never said anyone was a scrounged.

Assumption eh.... The mother of all fuck ups.

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By *ub bbwWoman
over a year ago

oldbury

"Chin up Sub BBW hope your fortunes change for the better soon. xxyeah chin up hun am in much the same boat went from £34.000 a year to £70 a week then got a job driving for minimum wage have been bareley gettin by for last two years now even that has dried up now back to claiming the dole after no work for a month now according to some on here im a scrounger maybe i should walk the streets in sack cloth n ashes begging for scraps as im to "thick " to find a job "
yes that's kinda how I was feeling I am greatful for the support from some kind folks on here tho.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

Sounds a bit like one of those reformed smokers

Not me. Much to my wife's annoyance. I enjoy a nice smoke.

Me too. Trouble is I'm on month ten of withdrawal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What qualifies u to say that people in receipt of child benefits should get parenting classes??? Should swingers only be verified once they've attended sexual awareness classes or can we like most decent parents be 'trusted'by idiots such as ya self to act in a responsible way. I hope there are no grammatical errors. I failed to attend my pre-forum english class.

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over a year ago

to recap, job-seekers allowance, Nation Stamp paid and families tax credit. "

JobSeekers? What, at the JobCentre? Sheesh, that place exists only to give the people who work there something to do during the day.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself."

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over a year ago

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself."

Hold on a sec. Where have I said anywhere on this thread that people shouldn't claim for what they're entitled to? I DID say that once they've got what they're entitled to that's it, no more, and you correctly highlighted that people can't get 'top ups' anyway.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Whatever next benefits claimants sent to the tower...

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over a year ago

"Whatever next benefits claimants sent to the tower...

Great idea. Get them to clean the Thames at high tide while they're at it too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.... been a great debate this thread today.

But I'm off now to put my feet up, have a smoke a pint of plonk and put my feet up in front of my fekk-off big plasma telly, and open the curtains so those at the poorer end of the street can watch it too.

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over a year ago

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

The great irony of the intelligence aspect of your original post is the number of people seemingly incapable of reading what you actually wrote. Instead they want to attribute words and opinions that were not said, not inferred and not alluded to.

You certainly can't say that the people you have wound up don't have an imagination !

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

I think everyone can see your _iews on people who claim benefits, on here and other threads.

It isn't normally pleasant even if they are entitled to it.

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over a year ago

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

You certainly can't say that the people you have wound up don't have an imagination ! "

Ahem err that's not ironic as unless her idea of using this subject was to inflame. But you did word it in a way that makes you sound intelligent. Its a shame it isn't.

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over a year ago

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

You certainly can't say that the people you have wound up don't have an imagination !

Ahem err that's not ironic as unless her idea of using this subject was to inflame. But you did word it in a way that makes you sound intelligent. Its a shame it isn't."

Her? Don't be fooled by my sexy ass. It's the wife's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

You certainly can't say that the people you have wound up don't have an imagination !

Ahem err that's not ironic as unless her idea of using this subject was to inflame. But you did word it in a way that makes you sound intelligent. Its a shame it isn't.

Her? Don't be fooled by my sexy ass. It's the wife's.

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haha. Nice!

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

I didn't make the rules regarding benefits.

I didn't suggest anything underhand...if you were entitled to it you were entitled it and the topic of this thread isn't about illegal claims.

I was just amazed why you are so against anyone else claiming any benefits they are entitled to and the rest of your comments about benefits and the low life who claim them if you claimed yourself.

You certainly can't say that the people you have wound up don't have an imagination !

Ahem err that's not ironic as unless her idea of using this subject was to inflame. But you did word it in a way that makes you sound intelligent. Its a shame it isn't.

Her? Don't be fooled by my sexy ass. It's the wife's.

Pmsl. That's why you get away with half your posts Wishy. If they thought you were a bloke you would get slaughtered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think everyone can see your _iews on people who claim benefits, on here and other threads.

It isn't normally pleasant even if they are entitled to it."

I have always been consistent in my opinion that the welfare state isn't something that people should feel it's ok to be on. I'd be ashamed to be on perpetual benefits unless I couldn't physically go out to work.

I don't advocate the abolition of benefits as that would take us straight back to Victorian times but with a fookin lot more people in the country today than in those times which would send crime rates soaring as people resort to whatever they have to in order to feed themselves.

My entire input in this thread has been about thick people who will never amount to anything in their lives. Who will trundle along breeding more of the same until they hit 65 and draw a meagre state pension and make do with that until they die, and are then put in a box and buried somewhere.

Anyone can lift themselves out of poverty if they had the determination to do so. I certainly don't _iew people a bit down on their luck at the moment as thick or poor as those kinds of people always bounce back eventually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What saddens me about some of the posts here is it seems apparent there are some people who think money is the measure of all success and the less money you have, the less value you have as a person… …

........ or that £££ equals IQ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Her? Don't be fooled by my sexy ass. It's the wife's.

Pmsl. That's why you get away with half your posts Wishy. If they thought you were a bloke you would get slaughtered

I'd love to be able to say she doesn't mind me using her ass from time to time but that's strictly a no-no, more's the pity.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I think everyone can see your _iews on people who claim benefits, on here and other threads.

It isn't normally pleasant even if they are entitled to it.

That contrdicts a lot of what you have said previously on other threads.

One of those times you were calling people some name or another if they didn't have a nest egg incase they don't have an income at some point and have to claim benefits.

I am guessing you are in the same boat as them if you claimed.

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