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"I think that it actually comes in different ways and not just one thing of someones wealth. Here are some of the examples that I will give and think it could be, of course how much one earns and flaunt their wealth by showing it off to everyone would probably be the nr1 thing when people think about it, another could be someone who likes to dress expensively, another one could might be how posh they talk. I also did other ways of telling if someone is it with numbers, which number or numbers would you shoos to describe one the best? Or you could add your own, you could also mix and match with several of the numbers. 1. Good posture. If you look at how upper class people walk, they stand perfectly straight and have a graceful swing to their step. 2. Their wealth, like to show off. 3. Dress expensively. 4. Talk posh, like the standard british accent. 5. Being very respectful with staff, waiters, taxi drivers etc. 6. Eating all sorts of different food and not being fussy about food. This is a very tell tale sign again, someone who's reluctant about trying new food or has never tried foreign food is usually not upper class. 7. Being able to make small talk with basically anyone. This is an important skill to have and that we've learned by attending a lot of formal events. 8. Having impeccable table manners. To me, someone who is upper class treats everyone with respect, they dont flaunt their wealth and they dont ever try to prove they have got money and with a mix of numbers 3, 5, 7 and 8, having said that. I think that a posh accent might say that a person is upper class and posh ![]() I am no1,5,6 and 7. I am most definitely not wealthy ![]() | |||
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"Went to an open garden safari on Sunday in a small village lots of very old upper class people with lovely quant thatched cottages and lovely grand gardens! All very pleasant with cream teas on the green x" I live in a village like that, I'm the exception. | |||
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"Through my work I've need to adapt to social mobility, and think the biggest markers of the 'upper-class' are self-esteem and self-confidence. " Hahaha Oops. | |||
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"You know that thread where we were asked what we'd really say but never do ...... ? I'm really feeling that now. I'll have to count slowly and temper my response. This is utter fucking bollocks. " move over and lets seethe together. | |||
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"Through my work I've need to adapt to social mobility, and think the biggest markers of the 'upper-class' are self-esteem and self-confidence. " I'm positively upper class then...wot wot | |||
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"I think the firm belief that the "lower" classes can't be eloquent, educated, respectful, polite, modest, and wealthy is a distinctly "upper" class trait. " Pretty much this. ![]() | |||
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"I think that it actually comes in different ways and not just one thing of someones wealth. Here are some of the examples that I will give and think it could be, of course how much one earns and flaunt their wealth by showing it off to everyone would probably be the nr1 thing when people think about it, another could be someone who likes to dress expensively, another one could might be how posh they talk. I also did other ways of telling if someone is it with numbers, which number or numbers would you shoos to describe one the best? Or you could add your own, you could also mix and match with several of the numbers. 1. Good posture. If you look at how upper class people walk, they stand perfectly straight and have a graceful swing to their step. 2. Their wealth, like to show off. 3. Dress expensively. 4. Talk posh, like the standard british accent. 5. Being very respectful with staff, waiters, taxi drivers etc. 6. Eating all sorts of different food and not being fussy about food. This is a very tell tale sign again, someone who's reluctant about trying new food or has never tried foreign food is usually not upper class. 7. Being able to make small talk with basically anyone. This is an important skill to have and that we've learned by attending a lot of formal events. 8. Having impeccable table manners. To me, someone who is upper class treats everyone with respect, they dont flaunt their wealth and they dont ever try to prove they have got money and with a mix of numbers 3, 5, 7 and 8, having said that. I think that a posh accent might say that a person is upper class and posh ![]() ![]() Those are good numbers you chose too and yes, it is a combination of those things as well ![]() | |||
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"I’m sorry but the initial post is just full of stereotypical bullshit. Since when is being polite to waiters a sign of being upper class? That just used to be called respect when I was growing up.. The ability to make small talk is a sign of being upper class? Really? Everybody else just stands in silence then due to their lack of formal invites when there’s nobody posh in the room with that ability? Showing off their wealth? We probably have a different idea of what showing off actually is. People live to their means. Owning an expensive car or a big house isn’t necessarily showing off just because someone can afford it. I would suggest that the “upper class” have money because they are brought up on how to look after it and use it, not go for flash and vulgar displays of wealth. The ability to dress expensively doesn’t make you upper class. Blimey if that was the case think of all the footballers with their millions who’d be quaffing champagne with their pinkies in the air while wearing their Saville Row suits….. I’m not a big fan of the modern world where there are 57 genders and people get offended from me scratching my nose but I am a believer in live and let live and things like stereotypes and wishing to pigeonhole people do the modern world no good at all(yes I’m aware that could be seen as contradictory but like the modern world, life is rarely black and white but often varying shades of grey). " I think manners are a more outdated indicator of social class but I do think in times gone manners/ mannerisms have been indicators of social class. I may be reading you wrong here but think in some ways Pygmalion by Bernard Shaw is a good example | |||
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"Education is obviously another huge factor. High cultural and social capital are indicators imo too. But I think I’m modern society where higher educational opportunities are more accessible I’d say economic capital and wealth is relevant too. Language is important too. But I think it’s as much language use as it is ‘accent’. I’d also obviously say job type is important to consider too. But ultimately social mobility is more difficult that we believe. Money makes moving between classes seem attainable. But attitudes and tastes as well as being socialised into certain norms and values all impact our ability to effectively move between social classes. It’s harder for an individual to do it imo. But your children might represent that move more easily. " That is right and yes, education is a another factor that comes into it and those other points too ![]() | |||
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"I’m sorry but the initial post is just full of stereotypical bullshit. Since when is being polite to waiters a sign of being upper class? That just used to be called respect when I was growing up.. The ability to make small talk is a sign of being upper class? Really? Everybody else just stands in silence then due to their lack of formal invites when there’s nobody posh in the room with that ability? Showing off their wealth? We probably have a different idea of what showing off actually is. People live to their means. Owning an expensive car or a big house isn’t necessarily showing off just because someone can afford it. I would suggest that the “upper class” have money because they are brought up on how to look after it and use it, not go for flash and vulgar displays of wealth. The ability to dress expensively doesn’t make you upper class. Blimey if that was the case think of all the footballers with their millions who’d be quaffing champagne with their pinkies in the air while wearing their Saville Row suits….. I’m not a big fan of the modern world where there are 57 genders and people get offended from me scratching my nose but I am a believer in live and let live and things like stereotypes and wishing to pigeonhole people do the modern world no good at all(yes I’m aware that could be seen as contradictory but like the modern world, life is rarely black and white but often varying shades of grey). " ![]() | |||
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"Nothing should ever scream ‘I am upper class’. But I see plenty of people out there screaming to try and make me *believe* they’re upper class when they clearly aren’t." Farage and his inability to hold on to an account with Coutts, anyone? Topical example … | |||
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"Nothing should ever scream ‘I am upper class’. But I see plenty of people out there screaming to try and make me *believe* they’re upper class when they clearly aren’t. Farage and his inability to hold on to an account with Coutts, anyone? Topical example …" Coutts accounts comes with immense wealth not class. Farage losing his account has excited many dense people but much like the Canadian Government freezing protesters Bank accounts there is a much bigger picture here. The cashless society is about control of the public, really consider it as no conspiracy theory. | |||
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"How i pronounce bath and glass.... and who is drawing my bath.. ![]() Artist in residence? Now that is posh! | |||
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"Coutts accounts comes with immense wealth not class." You missed my point entirely. My apologies if I didn’t make it clearly enough. Class is not feeling any need to shout about your account with Coutts, open or closed. | |||
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"Class is not feeling any need to shout about your account with Coutts, open or closed." … And desperately wanting to have one so as to feel closer to those with immense wealth demonstrates a quite remarkable lack of class, too. | |||
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"The upper classes think talking about their wealth is vulgar. " And they are usually skint | |||
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"There's a wealth of difference between 'upper class' and 'having class' though Shag... ...some upper class have all the manners of an inbred donkey whilst some can be very humble people" ...totally agree..there was a rugby game here few years back and the posh school chanted "your dad works for my dad" at the state school kids. So 10k can't buy you manners it seems | |||
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"There's a wealth of difference between 'upper class' and 'having class' though Shag... ...some upper class have all the manners of an inbred donkey whilst some can be very humble people" Like they say... money can't buy class | |||
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"Erm the definition of what makes someone upper class is as accurate as my teenage magazine tick box quizzes does he fancy you? Money does not make someone upper class, me winning the lottery wouldn't make me upper class ![]() When explaining Bourdieu at school my sociology teacher might give the example of Lord Sugar or David Beckham. Lots of money. Doesn’t evidence change in social class. | |||
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"Erm the definition of what makes someone upper class is as accurate as my teenage magazine tick box quizzes does he fancy you? Money does not make someone upper class, me winning the lottery wouldn't make me upper class ![]() Exactly ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Travel first class." Not necessarily first class…. Just turning “left” when you step on the plane! ![]() | |||
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"There’s two meanings of class going on here in this thread, isn’t there? 1. Position in society. Your old upper, middle and lower class strata. 2. Behaviour. Being classy or not. I think Shag’s original post confused the two a bit. One doesn’t bestow the other, is what most of us are saying. " Social class being the class you were born into, doesn't signify if you have manners, wealth or classiness in my opinion. | |||
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"There’s two meanings of class going on here in this thread, isn’t there? 1. Position in society. Your old upper, middle and lower class strata. 2. Behaviour. Being classy or not. I think Shag’s original post confused the two a bit. One doesn’t bestow the other, is what most of us are saying. Social class being the class you were born into, doesn't signify if you have manners, wealth or classiness in my opinion." I think generally though manners, wealth, behaviour etc are signifiers of social class. Not always, of course, but generally they are. | |||
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"Travel first class. Not necessarily first class…. Just turning “left” when you step on the plane! ![]() Virgin Atlantic's new A350-1000 is lush... Of course in Upper Class... Need to save up for a trip to NYC! British Airways would like to think they are upper class but they are just dinosaur snob yobs. They are in collective delusion they still have Concorde... | |||
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"When they do their full shop in M&S and don't just go in for 'nice bits' ![]() seriously people would class that as being upper-class | |||
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"Talking about being born into a social class raises the old question of social mobility. Does it exist or is it an illusion?" It’s an illusion mostly. But it depends in how you define social class. I think the thing that I mentioned before is that social mobility can be reflected in your children. For example if you get really rich and wealthy you may not have the attitudes and behaviours that enable you to fit into social classes your wealth reflects. But your children who may then have private education, access to resources you didn’t, cultural experiences you didn’t, inherit large amounts of wealth etc may be born into a different social class. And that represents social mobility. | |||
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"I think that it actually comes in different ways and not just one thing of someones wealth. Here are some of the examples that I will give and think it could be, of course how much one earns and flaunt their wealth by showing it off to everyone would probably be the nr1 thing when people think about it, another could be someone who likes to dress expensively, another one could might be how posh they talk. I also did other ways of telling if someone is it with numbers, which number or numbers would you shoos to describe one the best? Or you could add your own, you could also mix and match with several of the numbers. 1. Good posture. If you look at how upper class people walk, they stand perfectly straight and have a graceful swing to their step. 2. Their wealth, like to show off. 3. Dress expensively. 4. Talk posh, like the standard british accent. 5. Being very respectful with staff, waiters, taxi drivers etc. 6. Eating all sorts of different food and not being fussy about food. This is a very tell tale sign again, someone who's reluctant about trying new food or has never tried foreign food is usually not upper class. 7. Being able to make small talk with basically anyone. This is an important skill to have and that we've learned by attending a lot of formal events. 8. Having impeccable table manners. To me, someone who is upper class treats everyone with respect, they dont flaunt their wealth and they dont ever try to prove they have got money and with a mix of numbers 3, 5, 7 and 8, having said that. I think that a posh accent might say that a person is upper class and posh ![]() Not 2,34, You’ve confused Bougee with upper class. Upper class - run down leaky house, old cars, charity shop for clothes, or very old clothes, camping holidays etc. people with money are bad at spending it, but great at investing it, that’s why they have it!! | |||
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"There’s two meanings of class going on here in this thread, isn’t there? 1. Position in society. Your old upper, middle and lower class strata. 2. Behaviour. Being classy or not. I think Shag’s original post confused the two a bit. One doesn’t bestow the other, is what most of us are saying. Social class being the class you were born into, doesn't signify if you have manners, wealth or classiness in my opinion. I think generally though manners, wealth, behaviour etc are signifiers of social class. Not always, of course, but generally they are. " I don't they necessarily do, I was brought up with strict manners, I have a docrate, enjoy going the ballet etc. All these would signify someone who is isn't working class and was not brought up in poverty. But here I am | |||
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"It’s an illusion mostly. But … I think the thing that I mentioned before is that social mobility can be reflected in your children." [Snipped for brevity] . Okay, I can dig that point of view. True social mobility *is* possible but it’s slow. And it’s slow because it requires multiple generations - because an individual can’t change that fundamentally? | |||
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"There’s two meanings of class going on here in this thread, isn’t there? 1. Position in society. Your old upper, middle and lower class strata. 2. Behaviour. Being classy or not. I think Shag’s original post confused the two a bit. One doesn’t bestow the other, is what most of us are saying. Social class being the class you were born into, doesn't signify if you have manners, wealth or classiness in my opinion. I think generally though manners, wealth, behaviour etc are signifiers of social class. Not always, of course, but generally they are. I don't they necessarily do, I was brought up with strict manners, I have a docrate, enjoy going the ballet etc. All these would signify someone who is isn't working class and was not brought up in poverty. But here I am " Of course there will be people like you which is why I said not always. But generally I think they are signifiers and actually the best in terms of our understanding of social classes in this country. Things like taste, education (not just achievement but where you are educated, privately? Etc), accent etc are too. It’s a lot of things. Though ‘working class’ people can have many things that are signifiers of belonging to a dominant class, it’s nowhere near as much as amongst middle classes. There was some research on musical taste that reflected that. Long to explain here and I accept not the most interesting thing for most. Lol | |||
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"It’s an illusion mostly. But … I think the thing that I mentioned before is that social mobility can be reflected in your children. [Snipped for brevity] . Okay, I can dig that point of view. True social mobility *is* possible but it’s slow. And it’s slow because it requires multiple generations - because an individual can’t change that fundamentally?" Maybe they can change it. Thinking Eliza Doolittle here ![]() | |||
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"Maybe they can change it. Thinking Eliza Doolittle here ![]() Eliza had more class than the people who tried to change her. ![]() | |||
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""Of course there will be people like you which is why I said not always. But generally I think they are signifiers and actually the best in terms of our understanding of social classes in this country. Things like taste, education (not just achievement but where you are educated, privately? Etc), accent etc are too. It’s a lot of things. Though ‘working class’ people can have many things that are signifiers of belonging to a dominant class, it’s nowhere near as much as amongst middle classes. There was some research on musical taste that reflected that. Long to explain here and I accept not the most interesting thing for most. Lol" You calling me an outlier? ![]() ![]() I don’t like to use that word ![]() ![]() | |||
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""Of course there will be people like you which is why I said not always. But generally I think they are signifiers and actually the best in terms of our understanding of social classes in this country. Things like taste, education (not just achievement but where you are educated, privately? Etc), accent etc are too. It’s a lot of things. Though ‘working class’ people can have many things that are signifiers of belonging to a dominant class, it’s nowhere near as much as amongst middle classes. There was some research on musical taste that reflected that. Long to explain here and I accept not the most interesting thing for most. Lol" You calling me an outlier? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() With how inaccessible academia is I am 100% with you. Which is why I spend a heck of a lot of my free time in the area I grew up in. Telling kids that people like us can break the stereotypes. I've worked enough with privately educated folks to know much of it is a mindset not an ability. | |||
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"Money talks, wealth whispers. It's that simple. " Exactly this. | |||
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"When they do their full shop in M&S and don't just go in for 'nice bits' ![]() Yes and that too, when they go for the nice bits ![]() | |||
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"There's a wealth of difference between 'upper class' and 'having class' though Shag... ...some upper class have all the manners of an inbred donkey whilst some can be very humble people" Yes emily, there is a difference between them there and some can be that as well ![]() | |||
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"Plain white T with jeans. ALL the time. Feeling exposed. " ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Using a towel to wipe your cock after sex rather the curtains? Fab joke #128, column 8, row 29." Surely row 42, Lib! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I think that it actually comes in different ways and not just one thing of someones wealth. Here are some of the examples that I will give and think it could be, of course how much one earns and flaunt their wealth by showing it off to everyone would probably be the nr1 thing when people think about it, another could be someone who likes to dress expensively, another one could might be how posh they talk. I also did other ways of telling if someone is it with numbers, which number or numbers would you shoos to describe one the best? Or you could add your own, you could also mix and match with several of the numbers. 1. Good posture. If you look at how upper class people walk, they stand perfectly straight and have a graceful swing to their step. 2. Their wealth, like to show off. 3. Dress expensively. 4. Talk posh, like the standard british accent. 5. Being very respectful with staff, waiters, taxi drivers etc. 6. Eating all sorts of different food and not being fussy about food. This is a very tell tale sign again, someone who's reluctant about trying new food or has never tried foreign food is usually not upper class. 7. Being able to make small talk with basically anyone. This is an important skill to have and that we've learned by attending a lot of formal events. 8. Having impeccable table manners. To me, someone who is upper class treats everyone with respect, they dont flaunt their wealth and they dont ever try to prove they have got money and with a mix of numbers 3, 5, 7 and 8, having said that. I think that a posh accent might say that a person is upper class and posh ![]() I know a few very wealthy people and 2’is a definite no - qUite the polar opposite ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Kid's attending private school but rocking up in a knackered estate car, covered in dog hair. And they have a sofa at home they've inherited via the generations... Old money hang on to it ![]() Lol, or maybe their parents have cut back on things like a fancy car and new sofa to be able to send their kids to a private school. Maybe they're doing okay, but aren't phenomenally well-off. ![]() | |||
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"Kid's attending private school but rocking up in a knackered estate car, covered in dog hair. And they have a sofa at home they've inherited via the generations... Old money hang on to it ![]() ![]() Definitely some I'd agree. But OP stated 'upper class', and they're a right tight fisted bunch in my limited association ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I think that it actually comes in different ways and not just one thing of someones wealth. Here are some of the examples that I will give and think it could be, of course how much one earns and flaunt their wealth by showing it off to everyone would probably be the nr1 thing when people think about it, another could be someone who likes to dress expensively, another one could might be how posh they talk. I also did other ways of telling if someone is it with numbers, which number or numbers would you shoos to describe one the best? Or you could add your own, you could also mix and match with several of the numbers. 1. Good posture. If you look at how upper class people walk, they stand perfectly straight and have a graceful swing to their step. 2. Their wealth, like to show off. 3. Dress expensively. 4. Talk posh, like the standard british accent. 5. Being very respectful with staff, waiters, taxi drivers etc. 6. Eating all sorts of different food and not being fussy about food. This is a very tell tale sign again, someone who's reluctant about trying new food or has never tried foreign food is usually not upper class. 7. Being able to make small talk with basically anyone. This is an important skill to have and that we've learned by attending a lot of formal events. 8. Having impeccable table manners. To me, someone who is upper class treats everyone with respect, they dont flaunt their wealth and they dont ever try to prove they have got money and with a mix of numbers 3, 5, 7 and 8, having said that. I think that a posh accent might say that a person is upper class and posh ![]() Never judge a book by it cover for me. Never cared for upper or lower class as it a sickening notion. Having “class” regardless of anything else is what I notice tbf. As Charles Dickens said “ It may be, that in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man's child. Oh God. to hear the Insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust.”. So I guess to me, Upper Class doesn’t mean wealth, appearance but more a toxic, self obsessed and self indulgent traits which can be in anyone? | |||
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" A birth right legitimised in marriage - nothing more nothing less.... Everything written above is pure conjecture , bias and stereotype." End of thread. ![]() | |||
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"Kid's attending private school but rocking up in a knackered estate car, covered in dog hair. And they have a sofa at home they've inherited via the generations... Old money hang on to it ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" A birth right legitimised in marriage - nothing more nothing less.... Everything written above is pure conjecture , bias and stereotype." Yea, you can't buy class. | |||
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"They can wear a £2000 suit and still look like they just got up. Real money doesn’t shout gold and glory. It shouts I have it and I’m not shouting about it to the plebs ![]() Or they look like they walked through a glitter factory explosion ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"They do their weekly food shop at Waitrose. Apparently Waitrose once deemed Rose Harissa Paste a ‘student essential’ ![]() ![]() Rose Harissa-Paste is definitely posh totty!! Student essential - sounds like she’s deliciously slutty too!! ![]() | |||
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"I was raised in one of the most deprived areas of the country by my grandparents, granted, I had more than most. I spent my early 20’s on council estates. I progressed through my career and degrees with hard work and dedication, and now live in a tiny York village. I respect all people, I speak well, I eat most foods, and dress well, I’m definitely not upper class. Stereotypes are rarely correct. I know some extremely rude upper class people and some absolutely delightful working class people. Manners and respect cost nothing. Mrs " ![]() | |||
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"Travel first class. Not necessarily first class…. Just turning “left” when you step on the plane! ![]() Nah… you don’t want to do NYC.. it’s only 7hrs there/6hrs back…. Now… virgin upper class to LA… that is fun!!!! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Travel first class. Not necessarily first class…. Just turning “left” when you step on the plane! ![]() ![]() ![]() Anything over 4 hours is a minimum of business class or higher for me... Mostly due to space and being disabled. Safe to say I've not flown for longer than a few hours in quite some time but china is being saved up for with the husband and Jamaica with the boyfriend. | |||
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"I would never ever ever travel first or business class even though i can afford it and although fussy I'm not a snob ![]() I generally go Prem if available , but if it’s overnight I’ll definitely take the bed in business class. Economy is actually fine in most airlines if under 3-4 hours, just not Ryan air, jet2 etc. I can’t use those airlines, Rather pay a bit more for Air France, KLM , Turkish etc | |||
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"I was raised in one of the most deprived areas of the country by my grandparents, granted, I had more than most. I spent my early 20’s on council estates. I progressed through my career and degrees with hard work and dedication, and now live in a tiny York village. I respect all people, I speak well, I eat most foods, and dress well, I’m definitely not upper class. Stereotypes are rarely correct. I know some extremely rude upper class people and some absolutely delightful working class people. Manners and respect cost nothing. Mrs " That is good and you are right there as well ![]() | |||
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"Travel first class. Not necessarily first class…. Just turning “left” when you step on the plane! ![]() ![]() ![]() You should definitely take business class for those distances ! I did Montego Bay & Delhi with VA , they come and tuck you in after dinner ![]() | |||
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"I would never ever ever travel first or business class even though i can afford it and although fussy I'm not a snob ![]() you obviously travel by plane for work so its a work paid flight i get that but still travelling in whatever class its deemed to be is fine by me, i dont really find it too cramped and its much more sociable ![]() | |||
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"I was raised on a very run down council estate in a steel works town. I use to dream of getting out when I was a little girl (I did by the way) anyway I use to think people who had sky tv, tie back curtains and a conservatory was wealthy. Not sure if that's funny or sad Mrs C " In agreeance with you. | |||
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"Says “one is arriving” instead of holy sh.t I’m cumming" Had the Mrs in fit's of laughter the other day when I announced just at point of orgasm "The train is arriving at the station" | |||
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"Says “one is arriving” instead of holy sh.t I’m cumming Had the Mrs in fit's of laughter the other day when I announced just at point of orgasm "The train is arriving at the station"" Did you shout out wooooo wooooo at the same time ![]() | |||
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"T, lots and lots of t or farming gear that's barely even seen sight of a sheep or cow! Esp in cities where they're still wearing it for some unexplained reason. Then you know you've found the sixteenth Lord and Lady Bonkingly-Pomp or some such name." Weird fab won't let me post t-..... | |||
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"T, lots and lots of t or farming gear that's barely even seen sight of a sheep or cow! Esp in cities where they're still wearing it for some unexplained reason. Then you know you've found the sixteenth Lord and Lady Bonkingly-Pomp or some such name. Weird fab won't let me post t-....." G'ah... more hassle than is worth. That rough fabric starting with a t then a w ending in -eed ![]() | |||
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