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"Yep - but surely those white uniforms were a bit of a spoiler" No because they don’t wear hoods. So it threw me off | |||
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"Thank God none of the other sports have this issue though." No exactly. That’s why I prefer football and F1. | |||
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"Same story with the SA quota system. Guess it’s widespread within the sport " It’s all just funny at this point | |||
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"Sexism ?? Misogyny ??? I asked all the other women making the sandwiches and washing the kits and like me they said Noooooooooooooo where ?" Good one | |||
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"I watched the England women’s ashes and not one bloke in the side. Blatantly sexist! If they’d slung a couple of dudes in there I reckon they’d have possibly won it. It’s their own fault! "
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"I mean... Yeah "To expand upon it, it's been a huge part of cricket. Recently I was shocked at how much of a big deal Scott Boland being of indigenous descent was and how he was only the 2nd indigenous male to play for Australia. Then you look at the Racism with Yorkshire Cricket Club and how classiest the English setup is and nepotism going a long way. The apartheid affecting the South African team. It's actually pretty crazy how dark the past is of cricket. | |||
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"It’s cricket and old boys game what did anyone expect Old boys ? " Yes. Like men | |||
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"I mean... Yeah
To expand upon it, it's been a huge part of cricket. Recently I was shocked at how much of a big deal Scott Boland being of indigenous descent was and how he was only the 2nd indigenous male to play for Australia.
Then you look at the Racism with Yorkshire Cricket Club and how classiest the English setup is and nepotism going a long way. The apartheid affecting the South African team. It's actually pretty crazy how dark the past is of cricket."Honestly cricket being found out to be full of racists is one of the least surprising things to happen in my lifetime | |||
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"Isn't this old news? It was discussed some time ago, maybe a couple of years. Or are there new findings in the current news?" New findings from a new report | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. " The problem with all this ‘racism in cricket’ lark is that only middle class white guys tend to be good at the sport so… | |||
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"It’s cricket and old boys game what did anyone expect Old boys ? Yes. Like men" But NONE of the England side are old..... none of em | |||
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"It’s cricket and old boys game what did anyone expect Old boys ? Yes. Like men But NONE of the England side are old..... none of em " Old boys= men. Old girls= women.  | |||
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"Isn't this old news? It was discussed some time ago, maybe a couple of years. Or are there new findings in the current news?" A few years? I would have said a few decades. Others might argue the racism, elitism and sexism goes a lot back further. The first time I remember hearing about this was the response after N Tebbit mentioned his cricket test. But it's not exactly new news is it. | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. " Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! | |||
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"I'm not saying racism doesn't exist but I've not encountered any racism in a long time of playing and coaching. It brings communities together if anything " I'll fully accept what you're saying but when racism and discrimination is institutional it's a lot harder to see and for people on the ground in the organisation to see and appreciate the scale. That's when the external 10,000 foot overview becomes useful. Such an overview might show the scale of the issue but reforming the organisation is much more difficult task. | |||
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"I mean... Yeah
To expand upon it, it's been a huge part of cricket. Recently I was shocked at how much of a big deal Scott Boland being of indigenous descent was and how he was only the 2nd indigenous male to play for Australia.
Then you look at the Racism with Yorkshire Cricket Club and how classiest the English setup is and nepotism going a long way. The apartheid affecting the South African team. It's actually pretty crazy how dark the past is of cricket.
Honestly cricket being found out to be full of racists is one of the least surprising things to happen in my lifetime"Nooooo it's all on merit where everyone gets the opportunity to succeed  | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive!" No. He really hasn't missed the point. | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! No. He really hasn't missed the point. " He kind of has, we're not saying there should be quotas, but more of an effort to diversify at grassroots and county level so that those who come from a lesser background or are of different ethnicities aren't put off pursuing cricket as a career. But no, let's minimise the argument by referring to quotas and participations for the hell of it. Great job  | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! No. He really hasn't missed the point. He kind of has, we're not saying there should be quotas, but more of an effort to diversify at grassroots and county level so that those who come from a lesser background or are of different ethnicities aren't put off pursuing cricket as a career. But no, let's minimise the argument by referring to quotas and participations for the hell of it. Great job "He was being sarcastic- I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm. I don't believe he is seriously championing gestures and forced participation on skin colour. | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. " Plus lots of hand wringing from those within the game as they say it's so bad but oh no of course they never saw it.. Replace Cricket with any other sport and commerce, public services and politics whenever such things become publicly acknowledged.. | |||
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"I mean... Yeah
To expand upon it, it's been a huge part of cricket. Recently I was shocked at how much of a big deal Scott Boland being of indigenous descent was and how he was only the 2nd indigenous male to play for Australia.
"I dint know what Australia is like now but when I was there in 1995 , they literally hid all the indigenous people in the desert and built a huge pharmacy for them. I’m not joking there is a desert road from Cloncurry to the centre, and in the middle of nowhere a huge settlement of prescription and petrol addicted people , it was very sad to experience this and I was told there are many more places like that in the desert. | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! No. He really hasn't missed the point. He kind of has, we're not saying there should be quotas, but more of an effort to diversify at grassroots and county level so that those who come from a lesser background or are of different ethnicities aren't put off pursuing cricket as a career. But no, let's minimise the argument by referring to quotas and participations for the hell of it. Great job
He was being sarcastic- I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm. I don't believe he is seriously championing gestures and forced participation on skin colour."He was being sarcastic with the implication that it's what we want. Essentially, it was more mocking than sarcasm | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! No. He really hasn't missed the point. He kind of has, we're not saying there should be quotas, but more of an effort to diversify at grassroots and county level so that those who come from a lesser background or are of different ethnicities aren't put off pursuing cricket as a career. But no, let's minimise the argument by referring to quotas and participations for the hell of it. Great job
He was being sarcastic- I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm. I don't believe he is seriously championing gestures and forced participation on skin colour."He most certainly wasn’t. He clearly doesn’t support gestures either. | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! No. He really hasn't missed the point. He kind of has, we're not saying there should be quotas, but more of an effort to diversify at grassroots and county level so that those who come from a lesser background or are of different ethnicities aren't put off pursuing cricket as a career. But no, let's minimise the argument by referring to quotas and participations for the hell of it. Great job
He was being sarcastic- I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm. I don't believe he is seriously championing gestures and forced participation on skin colour.
He was being sarcastic with the implication that it's what we want. Essentially, it was more mocking than sarcasm"Oooo no i se this too | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. Just how far you've missed the point of this is actually quite impressive! No. He really hasn't missed the point. He kind of has, we're not saying there should be quotas, but more of an effort to diversify at grassroots and county level so that those who come from a lesser background or are of different ethnicities aren't put off pursuing cricket as a career. But no, let's minimise the argument by referring to quotas and participations for the hell of it. Great job
He was being sarcastic- I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm. I don't believe he is seriously championing gestures and forced participation on skin colour."Also quotas wouldn’t be forced participation? | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. " And women cricketers with todgers, not just looking like they could have todgers. That's what we need. Racism is racist too. | |||
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"Quotas is what we need...oh and gestures... More gestures. That and forcing more diverse folks to play the game and be good at it. And women cricketers with todgers, not just looking like they could have todgers. That's what we need. Racism is racist too. " Idk what this means | |||
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"Meanwhile, there's only one change for the next Test with public schoolboy Josh Tongue replacing Moeen Ali "No Ali and no Archer. Not a good look for England | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent?" Roger Binny. | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent?" I just... No, never mind | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny." Thank you, I’m no expert on cricket.  | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny." There have been white players play for the Windies as well. | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well." I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. " I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_test | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports! "Really….. howzat!!!!!!!!!!! I’ll get my coat  | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. " To be fair, I think cultural issues can also play a part. Perhaps the parents of first generation British born ethnicities don't see sports as a viable career and are deterred as a result. This could be because of the above issues mentioned though but it does play a part of it. It's like how there are hardly any south Asian professional footballers | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. To be fair, I think cultural issues can also play a part. Perhaps the parents of first generation British born ethnicities don't see sports as a viable career and are deterred as a result. This could be because of the above issues mentioned though but it does play a part of it. It's like how there are hardly any south Asian professional footballers" true but football is a good example. Remember when the Azeem Rafiq case was going on and he gave evidence someone at the ECB I think said in response that all the young poc want to play football - suggesting they’re not interested in cricket. At least for Black kids, football seriously offers a way out. Wonder where interest in cricket is lost amongst West Indian families but that’s a whole research project | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports! "I’m disappointed in you Steve. Your chance to say “It’s all over the Sky Sports News” was staring you right in the face and you missed it. | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports!
I’m disappointed in you Steve. Your chance to say “It’s all over the Sky Sports News” was staring you right in the face and you missed it."Imitation is a form of flattery or something | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports!
I’m disappointed in you Steve. Your chance to say “It’s all over the Sky Sports News” was staring you right in the face and you missed it.
Imitation is a form of flattery or something"Fair point. I don’t know enough about cricket to comment on what’s going on so I won’t be saying anything more on this thread apart from… Fuck racists. | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. To be fair, I think cultural issues can also play a part. Perhaps the parents of first generation British born ethnicities don't see sports as a viable career and are deterred as a result. This could be because of the above issues mentioned though but it does play a part of it. It's like how there are hardly any south Asian professional footballers true but football is a good example. Remember when the Azeem Rafiq case was going on and he gave evidence someone at the ECB I think said in response that all the young poc want to play football - suggesting they’re not interested in cricket. At least for Black kids, football seriously offers a way out. Wonder where interest in cricket is lost amongst West Indian families but that’s a whole research project" Not as many local cricket teams as football, and not played all year round like football is. They could play rugby, but most schools concentrate on football and field sports. | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. To be fair, I think cultural issues can also play a part. Perhaps the parents of first generation British born ethnicities don't see sports as a viable career and are deterred as a result. This could be because of the above issues mentioned though but it does play a part of it. It's like how there are hardly any south Asian professional footballers true but football is a good example. Remember when the Azeem Rafiq case was going on and he gave evidence someone at the ECB I think said in response that all the young poc want to play football - suggesting they’re not interested in cricket. At least for Black kids, football seriously offers a way out. Wonder where interest in cricket is lost amongst West Indian families but that’s a whole research project" It's the weather. We don't have the weather to play it in winter. It's a seasonal sport like tennis. | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports!
I’m disappointed in you Steve. Your chance to say “It’s all over the Sky Sports News” was staring you right in the face and you missed it.
Imitation is a form of flattery or something
Fair point. I don’t know enough about cricket to comment on what’s going on so I won’t be saying anything more on this thread apart from… Fuck racists."I’d rather not fuck racists | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. To be fair, I think cultural issues can also play a part. Perhaps the parents of first generation British born ethnicities don't see sports as a viable career and are deterred as a result. This could be because of the above issues mentioned though but it does play a part of it. It's like how there are hardly any south Asian professional footballers true but football is a good example. Remember when the Azeem Rafiq case was going on and he gave evidence someone at the ECB I think said in response that all the young poc want to play football - suggesting they’re not interested in cricket. At least for Black kids, football seriously offers a way out. Wonder where interest in cricket is lost amongst West Indian families but that’s a whole research project Not as many local cricket teams as football, and not played all year round like football is. They could play rugby, but most schools concentrate on football and field sports. " True. I hear this. I’d add that I used to play cricket Year round. And I think similar to what Joe said on a previous thread, that came from culture. My Nan wanted me to play cricket like they did in Jamaica. So the interest can be maintained beyond school like in south Asian families. I’m sure many Jamaican families coming here were the same but it’s difficult to pinpoint where exactly that interest in the super has disappeared to. I’d guess class is a big issue. Opportunity to actually make it in the sport though is surely another factor. Idk | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports!
I’m disappointed in you Steve. Your chance to say “It’s all over the Sky Sports News” was staring you right in the face and you missed it.
Imitation is a form of flattery or something
Fair point. I don’t know enough about cricket to comment on what’s going on so I won’t be saying anything more on this thread apart from… Fuck racists.
I’d rather not fuck racists"just a preference though? | |||
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" It's the weather. We don't have the weather to play it in winter. It's a seasonal sport like tennis. " You can play indoors, tapeball stuff too. I also played tennis year round tbf. I think it’s lack of clubs like you said and many other factors too | |||
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"English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism and class-based discrimination apparently. It’s on the sky sports!
I’m disappointed in you Steve. Your chance to say “It’s all over the Sky Sports News” was staring you right in the face and you missed it.
Imitation is a form of flattery or something
Fair point. I don’t know enough about cricket to comment on what’s going on so I won’t be saying anything more on this thread apart from… Fuck racists."Why? Cos fuck em that’s why. | |||
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" It's the weather. We don't have the weather to play it in winter. It's a seasonal sport like tennis. You can play indoors, tapeball stuff too. I also played tennis year round tbf. I think it’s lack of clubs like you said and many other factors too" A lot of sports that need specialist equipment become inaccessible due to the cost. Parents can't afford all the safety equipment and a good enough bat. In wheelchair sports, parents can't afford a custom sized wheelchair that won't grow with the child (at £2000-3000 a pop, easily). Charity funding for sports is going down, and there's not enough local council/Govt funding either. It's a big problem in wheelchair sports, lack of funds. Running basketball is a pretty accessible sport for people on low incomes - you can buy a cheap ball, basic trainers and play on a public court for free. But to play wheelchair basketball, you need a sports wheelchair. A non custom one will cost minimum £1500 but depending on the disability, people may get pressure sores or other issues unless the chair is custom sized. Then you double the cost. For a child, they will grow but wheelchairs cannot be made bigger. You have to buy a new one. What families of disabled people can afford multiple wheelchairs at £3k a pop? More funding for grassroots sports from local councils and Govt will go some way to equalising the participation of different marginalised groups, but the support has to continue. You can't just drop people off a cliff financially and expect their families to pick up the tab. | |||
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"I think access is a good point but ultimately beyond access, the racism in the sport sounds pretty bad. Many footballers talk about racism in the sport but the experiences south Asian players have talked about are pretty grim and sounds like 60s Britain. The racism and islamophobia is grim. So making the story more accessible will hello but we’re (myself included) equally not discussing how to actually challenge the issues currently facing those in the sport. " This is also very, very true and if still going on now, needs to be wééded out and stopped. | |||
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"Because mostly posh toffs and farmer boys play it" Clearly never been to Yorkshire, Lancashire and North Notts where club cricket in working class areas still very strong. I've seen far more racism in football than cricket. That said the game is becoming more elitist and to have a chance at making it professionally as a batsmen its easier if you go to an independent school. | |||
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"Meanwhile, there's only one change for the next Test with public schoolboy Josh Tongue replacing Moeen Ali
No Ali and no Archer. Not a good look for England "Sure, play Ali because hes asian. That's the way to fix it.or play archer even though hes injured and cant bowl but he is black so get in there my son Or maybe play an all pace attack of fit cricketers from the squad. because its a green top and we want to win the game because its the ashes. Anyone know much about how elite the england mens captain is? | |||
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"I’ve never known a white player play for India or Pakistan. Are these countries setting a precedent? Roger Binny. There have been white players play for the Windies as well. I’m surprised more Indian and Pakistani folk don’t play for England. A lot of the people that I know live and breathe cricket. I think the findings or some reports have been that institutional racism and other factors have deterred and prevented in other ways players of south Asian and West Indian descent* from making it to the international level. I remember conversations of that nature being had. But there’s also a link between these communities and the findings that cricket is not accessible and has a possible classist issue. To be fair, I think cultural issues can also play a part. Perhaps the parents of first generation British born ethnicities don't see sports as a viable career and are deterred as a result. This could be because of the above issues mentioned though but it does play a part of it. It's like how there are hardly any south Asian professional footballers true but football is a good example. Remember when the Azeem Rafiq case was going on and he gave evidence someone at the ECB I think said in response that all the young poc want to play football - suggesting they’re not interested in cricket. At least for Black kids, football seriously offers a way out. Wonder where interest in cricket is lost amongst West Indian families but that’s a whole research project" Arent they moving more toward basketball and us college sports? | |||
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 best part of 50 years of local community cricket, its a friendly, welcoming sport, requires space and money to maintain facilities and takes a long time to complete and many players who dont bat or bowl can get bored and find other activities. I have played for teams and in leagues that were friendly and the furthest from what has been painted over the entire sport and ive played for teams in leagues which were dominated by exactly what has been concluded from the report... In my own opinion, im not sure they were racists or elitists or misogynists, they were just horrible teams of horrible people... The worst of which was the all asian team... And the best (in every way) was the all west indian team.
I certainly know of racism from 30 years ago, with outstanding cricketers beinf excluded from elite player pathways because of the colour of their skin. Its certainly a damning report, lets hope they can encourage greatet and fairer participation as it can be a great sport. Could start by putting it back on terrestrial tv. | |||
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