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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

The chances of us being the only inhabited planet in the universe must be 1 in 23,000,000,000,001 .. ....

Approximately

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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

100% no. Definitely others out there

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

"100% no. Definitely others out there"
,, this

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By *hav02Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London

Battlestar Galactica is a documentary

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"100% no. Definitely others out there"

That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'

It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.

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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"100% no. Definitely others out there

That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'

It's akin to faith rather than based on fact."

I'm definitely confident there is other life.

Be it its starting out just as we did or ending as we will.

Or completely different who knows that. But there is other life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100% no. Definitely others out there

That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'

It's akin to faith rather than based on fact."

Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life.

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By *acktopervMan
over a year ago

Stourport-On-Severn

"Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life."

It dosn't even have to intelligent life, all it has to be is life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its scarier to think we are alone rather than we are not.

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

we are not alone there on fab too

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By *esmond and Molly JonesCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface

The universe must be teeming with life. We can't be the only life form on this infinitely mind-boggling expanse of a universe.

To think that we are the only form of life is rather a peculiar take on things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's extremely arrogant to assume that we are the only planet with life in this vast universe.

Our Sun is one of billions and billions of stars in our galaxy alone. And as has been discovered already there are many, many other stars with planetary systems.

And our galaxy is one in billions.

So, one star out of billions and billions and billions the only system with life

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

There must be other life out there

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"100% no. Definitely others out there

That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'

It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.

I'm definitely confident there is other life.

Be it its starting out just as we did or ending as we will.

Or completely different who knows that. But there is other life "

And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?

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By *acktopervMan
over a year ago

Stourport-On-Severn

"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?"

There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

It's a tricky one.

A planet like earth with the exact same conditions to support life like Earth does, chances are low.

However life on a planet without the exact same conditions as Earth is likely.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?

There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either."

So there's no proof there is, no proof there isn't.

So therefore the answer is maybe, not definitely. If we're being logical

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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?

There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either."

This ^

The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number

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By *he love catsCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

I've been taken and probed on numerous occasions

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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"It's a tricky one.

A planet like earth with the exact same conditions to support life like Earth does, chances are low.

However life on a planet without the exact same conditions as Earth is likely. "

They have found one that really close to being just like us. The only thing difference is the atmosphere is lower meaning the gravity pull is stronger.

So for life to live there things would need to be bigger I.e feet ect or more legs to support its self from being pulled down to the ground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100% no. Definitely others out there

That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'

It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.

I'm definitely confident there is other life.

Be it its starting out just as we did or ending as we will.

Or completely different who knows that. But there is other life

And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?"

The Earth-type planets that have already been discovered?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance we are alone. Not a chance.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Yeah, I watched ‘65’ with Adam Driver so FACT. End of.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The way I logic this out, usually in the context of have we been visited by UFOs

The universe is infinite

The conditions required to create life are likely very rare

Infinite plus incredibly rare - I'd say there's probably other life

But what kind of life?

The conditions required for any life are unlikely given any of the ways planets form and are situated. The more complex the life, the less likely it is

So, there might be viruses or there precursors on other planets - other things are much less likely

Add in the vast distances of space. On the extreme off chance that a life form sophisticated enough for space travel exists, are the distances imagined even feasible for any life form?

Basically, there's probably life on the basis of probability, but it's probably about as complex as your kid's most recent ear infection. If it is more complicated, the odds are good that it's too far away for us to ever know about it

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not all life lasts forever and even planets with life may not have it for much of their existence.

The probability for mutually concurrent life existing is obviously lower than it having ever lived in more than 1 place.

I think it's likely that life has been or will exist elsewhere. I'm less confident that it currently exists

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Not all life lasts forever and even planets with life may not have it for much of their existence.

The probability for mutually concurrent life existing is obviously lower than it having ever lived in more than 1 place.

I think it's likely that life has been or will exist elsewhere. I'm less confident that it currently exists "

I didn't add the infinite of time into what I was saying, which is also a good point

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Take this as an example...

There are more stars in our own Galaxy than there are grains of sand on Bondi Beach ...

And that's just our Galaxy..

There are roughly 200,000,000,000 Galaxies in the observable universe..

Each of those Galaxies has billions and billions of Stars and trillions and trillions of planets ..

There is more chance of you winning the Euromillions jackpot every week until you die ( statistically) than our planet being the only inhabited one in the entire universe

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

"100% no. Definitely others out there

That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'

It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.

Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life."

There's a growing number of scientists that might disagree, took 2 billion years for single cell life to become multiple cell life, it's very possible there is no other intelligent life, certainly none we will ever make contact with

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nope not alone their are 7 other sky's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know if I read/heard it wrong.....but am I right in saying we know more about space than we do our own oceans?

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

"On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring. "

An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I don't know if I read/heard it wrong.....but am I right in saying we know more about space than we do our own oceans?

Probs. Stars and Starfish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely not

Uranus is rammed lol

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work "

Even weirder, is the fact that the edge goes faster.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life."

Wait.. There is intelligent life on Earth?

Doesn't have to be anything like life on this rock. Just some kind of critter crawling around reproducing themselves on that rock like happens on this one.

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

Considering the vastness of the milky-way alone... it is ridiculous to think we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?

There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.

This ^

The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number "

Absolutely not this, science is based on proof. A hypothesis is proposed, a proposed explanation for something unknown, the hypothesis is compared to what we know and proved already and the hypothesis is tested by evidence and experiment.

It's not based on disproving an assumption. A legal trial presumes innocence and tries to prove guilt, not assuming guilt and attempting to prove innocence. Witch Trials assumed often assumed guilt by way of counterpoint

What evidence would you offer to disprove a claim that someone is a witch?

You are certainly entitled to your belief that we are not the only life form in the universe. But this belief isn't based on observable knowledge and a proven hypothesis. Rather there just has to be.

That's why I said it's more akin to faith. Faith isn't based on fact but beliefs.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Maybe statistical likelyhood..?

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work

Even weirder, is the fact that the edge goes faster. "

Not if it's finite of course, it just means it's stretchy

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?

There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.

This ^

The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number

What evidence would you offer to disprove a claim that someone is a witch?

You are certainly entitled to your belief that we are not the only life form in the universe. But this belief isn't based on observable knowledge and a proven hypothesis. Rather there just has to be.

That's why I said it's more akin to faith. Faith isn't based on fact but beliefs."

Faith isn't based on laws of probability or statistics though

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work

Even weirder, is the fact that the edge goes faster.

Not if it's finite of course, it just means it's stretchy "

Like a cock or a foof. Fancy that!

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?

There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.

This ^

The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number

What evidence would you offer to disprove a claim that someone is a witch?

You are certainly entitled to your belief that we are not the only life form in the universe. But this belief isn't based on observable knowledge and a proven hypothesis. Rather there just has to be.

That's why I said it's more akin to faith. Faith isn't based on fact but beliefs.

Faith isn't based on laws of probability or statistics though

No it's based on belief without proof like the assumption of the existence other life forms without proof.

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By *avinaTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Transsexual Transylvania

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, he said.

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one; and still, they coooooome!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fairly sure half the people on fab aren't from here.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface

Come across some questionable life forms on fab.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface

Come across some questionable life forms on fab. "

Hello

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Considering me and T quite clearly saw a UFO a couple of weeks ago, clear as day, no we’re not!

He wouldn’t have believed me if I hadn’t have screamed for him to enter the kitchen immediately to look at what I could see.

Mrs

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By *ittlebirdWoman
over a year ago

The Big Smoke

"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface

Come across some questionable life forms on fab. "

Have you been looking in the mirror again?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Considering me and T quite clearly saw a UFO a couple of weeks ago, clear as day, no we’re not!

He wouldn’t have believed me if I hadn’t have screamed for him to enter the kitchen immediately to look at what I could see.

Mrs "

What did it look like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives

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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

Beyond the statistical likelihood of their being another similar planet and then the discussions regard what type of life because it wouldn't survive etc. If we ourselves were slightly more intelligent, then why can't we also be open to the fact that just because it's what we need to live... why would an alternate species require the same?

I think yes, got to be and that we're narrow minded to rule it out on the probability of life based on our science and needs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parasites get everywhere. Can't just be little old earth that's infected

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives"

Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives

Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space. "

Because, of course, space isn’t just distance. It’s also time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives

Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space. "

If you can bend space then, could you use it as a slingshot to propel you somewhere when the bit you bent springs back

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By *ostindreamsMan
over a year ago

London

There are other many other species for sure. But the ones capable of thinking are much rare. Probably one of two other in our entire galaxy. And similarly very few in every other galaxy. Because of the distance, we most probably won't be able to find any of them.

I recommend reading "Where is everybody" by Stephen Webb. Quite a fun read.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives

Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space.

If you can bend space then, could you use it as a slingshot to propel you somewhere when the bit you bent springs back"

I don’t think space has got any elastic kinetic energy. It’s more akin to pushing your finger in a jelly I think.

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By *enusandMars 87Couple
over a year ago

airdrie

A handful of very "simple" amino acids have formed to create life on earth and its bonkers to think that they are millions of different species on earth now and it cant have happened anywhere else.

As the only species who have been able to travel to space suggests most species elsewhere will not achieve space travel.

As i question our intelligence not to annihilate ourselves with more advancements, i dont think we'll ever reach far enough to find any substantial other worldly flora or fauna

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface

Come across some questionable life forms on fab.

Have you been looking in the mirror again?

I'll own my crazy

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

There is life elsewhere in the universe. In many places. However the closest is a long long looooong way away. The universe is a very sparsely occupied place, and any single civilisation has a very short technological lifetime. We are not going to meet anyone else out there because the overlap in the lifetime of our civilisation and that of any other civilisation is shorter than the time it would take for them to explore every place between there and here .

One remote possibility of finding a sign of other civilisation would be if there was any race within our galaxy that had created self reproducing Von Neumann machines and let them loose. These could then start eating planets and expanding in a sphere from the point of origin at half the speed of light. About 200,000 years would be enough for the galaxy to be totally overrun. However we would only know of their presence when the first replicator machine arrived and start exponentially reproducing, converting every planet in our solar system into nothing but more of them. Eventually there would be no life left anywhere, just a cloud of replicators.

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