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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

To what extent do we respect people’s lives experiences of things? And to what extent do we believe them? Does it matter if their lived experience supports or evidences other widely accepted facts as to whether you believe them?

I think about this often. Nice debate welcome and I won’t reply to all but will read all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To what extent do we respect people’s lives experiences of things? And to what extent do we believe them? Does it matter if their lived experience supports or evidences other widely accepted facts as to whether you believe them?

I think about this often. Nice debate welcome and I won’t reply to all but will read all "

I always try to never judge a book by it's cover.....as you never know what someone has been through. Unfortunately in today's world everyone is judged

Tis a tragic story!

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By *aggonerMan
over a year ago

for a penny

Like most things it depends on who they are.

I don’t know people on fab so it’s difficult to know how to respond. There are a few who appear genuine.

In real life I am a sceptic and there are few people I respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To a greater extent I'll mostly take stuff on face value, and if someone states their experience is what it is then of course that should be taken on board. However, sometimes some people come across as proper Trevor Tensheds. I'm which case I do take what's said with a big pinch of salt

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
over a year ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

We all have unique experiences.

We could all attend the same event and yet experience and remember different things.

I’m always fascinated by other peoples experiences, it’s what makes us human and the way we interpret the same things.

Saying that is someone was constantly sprouting bs i would distance myself from them as i have done several times in the past.

You can only cheat yourself and if you want to tell people about a life you have never had then crack on

Marc

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

I try and respect everyone's lived in experience. I understand that even events between 2 people can have very different viewpoints of what happened. I think we're all a bit biased when something goes against the grain of how the majority interpret experiences. I try and keep an open mind as much as humanly possible, and actually listen to how others experience things. Not just presume I'm always right. I don't think many have the ability to listen which is I think a shame

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By *aggonerMan
over a year ago

for a penny

A life they’ve never had is sometimes the only life they have v

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I have described some of my life experiences in previous threads and had them directly challenged by other posters who claimed that they couldn't possibly have happened.

I was called a liar and accused of stirring political tensions which was hilarious as I have zero interest in politics.

The funny thing was that the people challenging me weren't even born when these things took place and others admitted they had never set foot in Northern Ireland either.

If I know for a fact that someone is embellishing their tale I have no issue calling them out on it but with random strangers online I don't because I've honestly no idea if they are making it up or not although some stories do seem far-fetched.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think an example is someone says:

I’ve experienced misogyny on fab. They then talk about that experience. And someone else comes back with ‘well I’ve never seen any’. And it makes you think- what are the things stopping us from accepting people’s loved experiences if they challenge what we believe we are seeing.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"I think an example is someone says:

I’ve experienced misogyny on fab. They then talk about that experience. And someone else comes back with ‘well I’ve never seen any’. And it makes you think- what are the things stopping us from accepting people’s loved experiences if they challenge what we believe we are seeing. "

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I mean I can't see gravity but I know it exists as I can see it consequences. Though I think it does depend on how the conversation goes. Are they saying they've never encountered it so hard for them to discuss the issue or are they invalidating the person's experience.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"I think an example is someone says:

I’ve experienced misogyny on fab. They then talk about that experience. And someone else comes back with ‘well I’ve never seen any’. And it makes you think- what are the things stopping us from accepting people’s loved experiences if they challenge what we believe we are seeing. "

On this site quite a few people are content to turn a blind eye to certain behaviours or utterances based on how the perpetrator presents themselves.

Two people with similar experiences can often have polar opposite reactions when they recount those experiences partly due to the audience and partly to do with their own manner.

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By *estarossa.Woman
over a year ago

Flagrante

I think we judge people based on our own lived experience. That includes credibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The challenge here imo is balancing

"The norm, average or majority" experience with

"An individuals experience"

The two may not allign and it's important to remember rare cases somewhere.

The trouble is the rare anecdotal evidence often is mentioned in discussions on emotional topics. And often, the person is just wanting to be heard and not forgotten. Whereaa the majority seeing as whataboutary to distract from their cause.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


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If I know for a fact that someone is embellishing their tale I have no issue calling them out on it but with random strangers online I don't because I've honestly no idea if they are making it up or not although some stories do seem far-fetched."

This bit

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

I started out life in a scientific field. One thing I can say about science, rationalism and material reductionism is: when you talk to real experts researchers in astrophysics for example. They'll almost always happily say science does not even come close to explaining all the phenomena in the universe.

Someone mentioned gravity as being a fact. It's not it is a theory a very good theory with a lot of utility, but it's a theory, with demonstrable limitiations. What we often call facts are just reliable theories that will eventually be improved upon. Every advancement is a consequence of someone questioning the established norms.

Science still can't answer what consciousness is. One prominent theory is that is a trick the brain plays on itself.

So no I don't mind if people have beliefs as long as they don't try and force them on me. I love a mind that can think outside the box. That doesn't need definitive answers and can handle the aporia of uncertainty. I see a need for certainty as need to feel in control. It's only when you can let go of that need that you can experience the moment fully. In my opinion.

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By *e renard de la campagneMan
over a year ago

Surrey mostly when over

There’s no point having a mind if you never change it!

I try to accept what people say and have probably been taken advantage of in the past because of it, but I’ve certainly changed my mind on some topics and thoughts/opinions over the years.

I wouldn’t call anyone out on an experience unless it was something that impacts me

Xx

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"To what extent do we respect people’s lives experiences of things? And to what extent do we believe them? Does it matter if their lived experience supports or evidences other widely accepted facts as to whether you believe them?

I think about this often. Nice debate welcome and I won’t reply to all but will read all "

We don't and we can't simply because we are fallible. Whilst we can take on ideas, we don't have the capacity to shift principle unless there is a wider shift either in your direct group or wider society. So, you may apologise, take information on or accept you didn't know something - eg, don't smoke, use SPF 30, eat healthier etc though people do smoke, still use factor 10, 15 and still eat what they like.

It's not until there is a shift, largely though policy intervention as seen with say lead in petrol, cfc's in aerosols, trends, fads dying out or histories changing through schooling that behaviour or language change. With this it usually takes years before peoples internal concepts change or are passed on. We all speed, despite knowing speed limits and the implications of breaking them - it'd take mass transit adoption to have everyone stay within the limit for eg.

That's my garble for today.

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By *erence IIMan
over a year ago

Irrelevant

Good question. If someone tells me they've seen a ghost I simply don't believe them. There is zero evidence for ghosts and lots of evidence for hallucinations, optical illusions, visual disturbances and revised memories etc - so yes, a claimed subjective experience that requires suspension of belief in reality isn't going to cut the mustard with me (though even here, I will allow that we don't know everything and reality is almost certainly different to how we imagine it to be so I tend to gear such claims as only 99.9999% bollocks.

If someone talks to me about how a situation made them feel, I will always make the effort to listen and won't disbelieve them though I do keep in mind that we all suffer from a range of biases that affect how we view a situation and - perhaps more importantly - how we narrate and re-write that memory.

On top of this I believe it is important not to take people's views and experiences as objective fact. Some people get upset by this yet we all do it. If a 15 year girl tells us how in love she is with a 40 year old man, no decent person is going to accept her subjective view of the situation as being the most appropriate yet for some reason we get upset when others treat our views the same. Being able to separate out what is, in all likelihood, a subjective opinion of ours from objective fact is very difficult and a task most don't bother to start.

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By *erence IIMan
over a year ago

Irrelevant


"I started out life in a scientific field. One thing I can say about science, rationalism and material reductionism is: when you talk to real experts researchers in astrophysics for example. They'll almost always happily say science does not even come close to explaining all the phenomena in the universe.

Someone mentioned gravity as being a fact. It's not it is a theory a very good theory with a lot of utility, but it's a theory, with demonstrable limitiations. What we often call facts are just reliable theories that will eventually be improved upon. Every advancement is a consequence of someone questioning the established norms.

Science still can't answer what consciousness is. One prominent theory is that is a trick the brain plays on itself.

So no I don't mind if people have beliefs as long as they don't try and force them on me. I love a mind that can think outside the box. That doesn't need definitive answers and can handle the aporia of uncertainty. I see a need for certainty as need to feel in control. It's only when you can let go of that need that you can experience the moment fully. In my opinion. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends on if their opinion is posted on a sex site where they're trying to get a fuck.

So many beige people who won't give an opinion because it will affect their celibacy.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

I tend to take things at face value, If I thought it would wasn't I'd question it in a bid to understand.

Experience is personal two people can be in the same roon doing the same thing and leave with totally different views on their experience.

Mrs

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

Not enough imo

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