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"Little bit of context required here… Disclaimer - I am against any form of total digitalisation of anything, but… The Greenwich store was opened as a trial of the first store where you don’t have to queue to pay, it’s all done digitally through facial recognition. Pretty difficult to do without a digital profile. There are existing stores nearby that still operate as normal. It also opened at the beginning of 2022, it’s not a recent thing " Context, explaining things and being balanced? What are you even doing here on the forum? | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. " And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash?" Wouldn’t bother me personally | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally " We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. | |||
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"It's all about data mining and strengthening their crm file. Know who's buying what and when. Pretty much everyone is doing it now, and use it to target you with offers and the like, enticing you to increase your basket spend with them. Personly I don't like it, just more ways of tracking folk. I also wonder how secure the data everyone holds on us actually is. " 
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally " A few cash only places near me. | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. " I use cash as much as possible as well | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. I use cash as much as possible as well " | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. I use cash as much as possible as well "Was just saying if I had to paymore to use cash then it wouldn’t bother me if I had to in slightest Couple of shop vendors I know told me it now costs them more to process cash vs card | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. I use cash as much as possible as well
Was just saying if I had to paymore to use cash then it wouldn’t bother me if I had to in slightest Couple of shop vendors I know told me it now costs them more to process cash vs card "Perhaps but used to be the other way around for years and they accepted as norm so hopefully that will be the case going forward. The more people pay eitj cash, the stronger the case. We dropped to nearly 18% cash transactions in this country to more than 50% in most other European countries. It has gone up again though but still not enough to stop somevof the insanity  | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. I use cash as much as possible as well
Was just saying if I had to paymore to use cash then it wouldn’t bother me if I had to in slightest Couple of shop vendors I know told me it now costs them more to process cash vs card "I can say yes to the whole cash/card thing. Yes I work for a large company however we don't take a huge amount of cash compared to card, but with the banks local now closing branches that we used to go and drop the cash into we're now forced to either have a staff member drive 8 to 10 miles to the nearest branch to bank it or pay a large fee to a collections company to pick up and drop that some weeks would be more than the actual cash takings. For us card transactions simply work better. It's not a simple cut and dry situation. Tinder | |||
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. I use cash as much as possible as well
Was just saying if I had to paymore to use cash then it wouldn’t bother me if I had to in slightest Couple of shop vendors I know told me it now costs them more to process cash vs card
I can say yes to the whole cash/card thing. Yes I work for a large company however we don't take a huge amount of cash compared to card, but with the banks local now closing branches that we used to go and drop the cash into we're now forced to either have a staff member drive 8 to 10 miles to the nearest branch to bank it or pay a large fee to a collections company to pick up and drop that some weeks would be more than the actual cash takings. For us card transactions simply work better.
It's not a simple cut and dry situation.
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Being self employed I work enough hours as it is without having to do a 30 mile round trip to pay cash into the bank.
For all those saying they'd prefer cash don't forget that businesses are generally the same as individuals. Bills are paid by direct debits. Wages are paid by bacs. The more cash they take the more effort and time it takes to pay that in (not forgetting higher insurance costs and greater risk of theft etc) to ensure business bills are paid on time.
Cash is a lovely, emotive, 'traditional' notion. But fuck me it's a ballache to deal with from a business perspective.
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"I will not shop anywhere that does not accept cash on principle now. And how would you feel about having to pay a premium for using cash? Wouldn’t bother me personally We seem to be walking ourselves into a cashless situation though there are strong signs that people are returning to paying with cash again. Only country in Europe that cash transactions fell so much previously. I will not be assisting that trend. I have walked out of many places that don't accept cash after politely explaining why I am doing so. I use cash as much as possible as well
Was just saying if I had to paymore to use cash then it wouldn’t bother me if I had to in slightest Couple of shop vendors I know told me it now costs them more to process cash vs card
Perhaps but used to be the other way around for years and they accepted as norm so hopefully that will be the case going forward. The more people pay eitj cash, the stronger the case. We dropped to nearly 18% cash transactions in this country to more than 50% in most other European countries. It has gone up again though but still not enough to stop somevof the insanity "Cash isn't going to disappear anytime soon but the trend is irreversible. There's a whole combination of factors in play here. The cost of getting cash and for businesses to process it. Age and access to technology comes into as well. My kids don't use cash, it's revolut for everything. At the other end, there's people that won't use mobile banking, maybe they only have a dumb phone. | |||
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"Ansolutely not. The cheek of it. I am off to the corner shop. " That is good and yes, it is that too | |||
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"Little bit of context required here… Disclaimer - I am against any form of total digitalisation of anything, but… The Greenwich store was opened as a trial of the first store where you don’t have to queue to pay, it’s all done digitally through facial recognition. Pretty difficult to do without a digital profile. There are existing stores nearby that still operate as normal. It also opened at the beginning of 2022, it’s not a recent thing " That is good that you are also against it, yes, many are still operating normal, but it is kind of still worrying, because when 1 starts, usually after a while, it might be so that more is doing the same thing too and suddenly everyone is doing it, lets hope not, because many elderly people might not have smartphones, so they might not have thought through it so thoroughly. | |||
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"We tend to shop local with independents where possible so don't have the issue. Personally think that any "advancement " which will ultimately affect people's jobs is a bad thing. People are more important. " I agree to some degree but all change brings some impact - the Industrial Revolution made 1000’s of manual workers redundant, automated picking and packing has hit the least well off in society - now the advent of AI will have an impact too. It’s the nature of change and the only way people will be considered is if it makes financial sense to business owners - they want to make money - people are one of the biggest costs and risks due to absence etc. Given the ultimatum of profit vs people most businesses opt for profit… sad but true. Previously we reskilled in another area - not sure there are too many left that won’t be or couldn’t be automated as we go along. Just my 2p worth! | |||
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"Asda & Tesco loyalty card schemes do not work without a smart phone now " Not true. Well, it's certainly not for Tesco. | |||
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"Hmmmm i don't think it should be mandatory, but i can see supermarkets around me making huge changes to the check out areas - there are very few manned tills now and i think they do disappear at some point which leaves scan your own at checkout or scan as you go Personally i scan as i go on my phone or with the handheld unit, but its my decision and suits me.. But it is the inevitable start of the AI march. I wonder what jobs the checkout staff will do in the future " You are right there and good points too. I also think that it shouldnt be mandatory | |||
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"I hate it when a business says 'download our app' No. I'm sick and tired of f***ing apps. There's only so much space on my phone and with all these apps, there's not enough room left for system updates or my data. So they'd be losing my custom as I'd simply walk away" Yes, same here, when I went to a restaurant, you had to download a qr code scanner app in order to see the menu. I said that I didnt have the app. I didnt say the real reason why I didnt have it, so requested the menu in paper form. I did get the menu, but if I wouldnt have got it. I would of left the restaurant and go to another one, who didnt have that qr scan system. | |||
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"We tend to shop local with independents where possible so don't have the issue. Personally think that any "advancement " which will ultimately affect people's jobs is a bad thing. People are more important. I agree to some degree but all change brings some impact - the Industrial Revolution made 1000’s of manual workers redundant, automated picking and packing has hit the least well off in society - now the advent of AI will have an impact too. It’s the nature of change and the only way people will be considered is if it makes financial sense to business owners - they want to make money - people are one of the biggest costs and risks due to absence etc. Given the ultimatum of profit vs people most businesses opt for profit… sad but true. Previously we reskilled in another area - not sure there are too many left that won’t be or couldn’t be automated as we go along. Just my 2p worth! "Yep. The two biggest overheads for any business are people and property. Hence the rise of online shopping, banking and services (don't need High Street premises anymore) and automation. It's called change. Car ownership reduced reliance on trains, buses and taxis. Would people gladly give up their cars and go back to a reliance on public transport? I doubt it. How long did we have to spend paying all bills in cash before the advent of direct debits? I imagine students would love to have a huge bill each year for text books and having to pay for dissertations to be printed and bound professionally, rather than have access to the internet and emails. And as for swingers? How embarrassing would it be when the postie accidentally delivers those Polaroids you took of yourself cock in hand and the letter you wrote with your name and address on to the wrong address! Instead of that 20something hottie turning up for a shag you might get a dozen horny overseas construction workers sharing an HMO arriving for group session! Damn progress. It's soooo inconvenient. 
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"We tend to shop local with independents where possible so don't have the issue. Personally think that any "advancement " which will ultimately affect people's jobs is a bad thing. People are more important. " Out of interest, what date do you use as a cut off for "advancements" ie, anything invented before this date that affects people's jobs is OK and anything after isn't? I assume you aren't advocating a return to pre industrial standards of living and the reality is, despite the never ending stream of inventions that has replaced human input over the last few centuries, the population of the planet during that time has exploded and there is still no shortage of jobs. Genuine question, do you believe this trend is about to reverse? OP, like pretty much all change, this will upset some people and cause many others to feel uncomfortable whilst they accept it. On the other hand, a significant number will appreciate the benefits it brings and gladly make use of it. Assuming it increases profits for the company and has a wide enough take up it will become more and more prevalent with more and more people changing to the new ways as they become more routine and therefore less scary. In a relatively short space of time it will become normal and routine and people will live entire lives never knowing a world where such systems weren't the norm. Meanwhile technology will continue to evolve and there will be new changes for this new generation to be disconcerted by and express their opposition to. After all, there is nothing stopping any of us walking to the nearest farm and attempting to barter with the farmer for some wheat which we could then take home and grind into flour to bake bread etc. The reason we don't is that people have devised ever more efficient ways to speed up this process, freeing up our time to do other stuff which in turn enables us to earn money that we can then exchange for a loaf with a fraction of the effort we would have had to put in otherwise. This is why, despite never ending grumbles about modern inventions, we will not go back. Minimum wage will now buy you about 6 loaves of bread for an hours work. If you had to collect the wheat, winnow it, grind it, collect the water, culture the yeast, mix and knead the dough and collect wood to bake this amount of bread you would need to work for significantly longer thackeray that one hour for the same result. It is our inherent laziness that means each of these inventions and changes acts like a ratchet - it will only ever move in one direction however much we complain about change. | |||
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"We tend to shop local with independents where possible so don't have the issue. Personally think that any "advancement " which will ultimately affect people's jobs is a bad thing. People are more important. Out of interest, what date do you use as a cut off for "advancements" ie, anything invented before this date that affects people's jobs is OK and anything after isn't? I assume you aren't advocating a return to pre industrial standards of living and the reality is, despite the never ending stream of inventions that has replaced human input over the last few centuries, the population of the planet during that time has exploded and there is still no shortage of jobs. Genuine question, do you believe this trend is about to reverse? OP, like pretty much all change, this will upset some people and cause many others to feel uncomfortable whilst they accept it. On the other hand, a significant number will appreciate the benefits it brings and gladly make use of it. Assuming it increases profits for the company and has a wide enough take up it will become more and more prevalent with more and more people changing to the new ways as they become more routine and therefore less scary. In a relatively short space of time it will become normal and routine and people will live entire lives never knowing a world where such systems weren't the norm. Meanwhile technology will continue to evolve and there will be new changes for this new generation to be disconcerted by and express their opposition to. After all, there is nothing stopping any of us walking to the nearest farm and attempting to barter with the farmer for some wheat which we could then take home and grind into flour to bake bread etc. The reason we don't is that people have devised ever more efficient ways to speed up this process, freeing up our time to do other stuff which in turn enables us to earn money that we can then exchange for a loaf with a fraction of the effort we would have had to put in otherwise. This is why, despite never ending grumbles about modern inventions, we will not go back. Minimum wage will now buy you about 6 loaves of bread for an hours work. If you had to collect the wheat, winnow it, grind it, collect the water, culture the yeast, mix and knead the dough and collect wood to bake this amount of bread you would need to work for significantly longer thackeray that one hour for the same result. It is our inherent laziness that means each of these inventions and changes acts like a ratchet - it will only ever move in one direction however much we complain about change. " "advancements" generally boil down to anything that I didn't grow up with and am not used to. People don't like change. They forget/ignore the millions (billions) of advancements and changes that have happened over the years that have impacted other parts of life to somebody somewhere. | |||
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"I read an article and I couldnt believe it, but apparently aldi in greenwich is the first shop that have implemented a digital check in as a condition of entry. Shoppers left furious at barrier change and said "Not everyone has a smarphone!" Which I can understand and is true. The system caused an outrage and there are calls to boycott aldi. What is your view about it, should we be worried if it happens to more shops? Would you shop at such a store that you had to scan to get it? I wouldnt do it as I dont support that everything shouldnt be digitalised "People of fab have preference, why shop cannot have? If their business suffers due to some condition, let them own the risk, why we should boycott, if i don't like or want to install App or do not have Smartphone, i am not eligible to enter. | |||
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"Little bit of context required here… Disclaimer - I am against any form of total digitalisation of anything, but… The Greenwich store was opened as a trial of the first store where you don’t have to queue to pay, it’s all done digitally through facial recognition. Pretty difficult to do without a digital profile. There are existing stores nearby that still operate as normal. It also opened at the beginning of 2022, it’s not a recent thing Context, explaining things and being balanced? What are you even doing here on the forum? " | |||
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"We tend to shop local with independents where possible so don't have the issue. Personally think that any "advancement " which will ultimately affect people's jobs is a bad thing. People are more important. Out of interest, what date do you use as a cut off for "advancements" ie, anything invented before this date that affects people's jobs is OK and anything after isn't? I assume you aren't advocating a return to pre industrial standards of living and the reality is, despite the never ending stream of inventions that has replaced human input over the last few centuries, the population of the planet during that time has exploded and there is still no shortage of jobs. Genuine question, do you believe this trend is about to reverse? " No, I don't believe the trend will reverse and don't have a cut off date, as you put it. There are still small traders trying to earn a living and my preference is to support them. There's nothing I can do about history but I can live how I want to live now. | |||
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