FabSwingers.com forum: Views on Andrew Tate

By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

His basis is he is teaching young men traditional masculinity? To work, earn, provide, be selfish at times, strong and be family orientated. Some feminists may hate him, some may like him. But it doesn't change his mission to sell these ideas to young lost MEN.

How bad is he, when every person has their right to their own views and who they look up to?

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

Can we not...

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By *weetiepie99Woman
over a year ago

cardiff

No!!!!! I can't deal with this. Its Friday night and i need to chill

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Grifter

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By *eneralPMan
over a year ago

other

Oh come on. The guy is a serial sec offender. Ignoring the products he is selling (toxic masculinity), he is a horrendous and destructive human. The fact you buy into it is a poor demonstration of you.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

I’m not really a fan of his delivery but that’s where people like him, Jordon Peterson, Just Pearl and the late Kevin Samuels have really etched out a lane for themselves .

Some of the messaging is ok, other bits ludicrous IMO.

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

Absolutely awful of a guy, selling this idea that toxic masculinity is the way forward and targeting younger men with these view is just wrong.

Plus all of his charges should be enough to paint a picture of what he is

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

What's your opinion of him op?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His basis is he is teaching young men traditional masculinity? To work, earn, provide, be selfish at times, strong and be family orientated. Some feminists may hate him, some may like him. But it doesn't change his mission to sell these ideas to young lost MEN.

How bad is he, when every person has their right to their own views and who they look up to? "

He’s a toxic Bellend, making money off the insecure and the stupid

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

He's teaching guys how to act like complete twats, anyone that willingly listens to what he has to say and follows it really needs help

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By *endydick.CumbersnatchMan
over a year ago

Absolute twat.

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By *yronMan
over a year ago

grangemouth

He's totally vile.

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By *oco_marsWoman
over a year ago

Stockport

He is a weapons grade dickhead

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

How bad is he, when every person has their right to their own views and who they look up to? "

There's enough hate and misogyny in the world without this guy.

But in fairness, he's good at making money from morons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More than just some guy to discuss on the internet he is a serious threat and someone spoken about (rightly so imo) when we talk about safeguarding and violence against women and girls.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"Can we not..."

Too late for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what i have seen, on a very superficial level yes, the traditional masculinity argument holds.

On a closer inspection there are layers of male superiority which do present as misogynistic. He has also championed and promoted business practices which are dubious at best.

He seems arrogant and narcissistic.

Add to that the allegations against him (which ain't looking good when viewed against his favour of 'less strict' R*pe laws in Romania) then I see little to admire in this man.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Commitment to an end game cause does not justify the methods and views used toward that cause.

There are plenty of very genuine and decent masculine men out in the world that are such without doing anything or needing to follow any kind of advice from him or anyone like him.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Why are the teenage boys lost ?

Where are the family role models ?

If the dads, uncles etc are more concerned checking their fab or insta than getting involved in things like youth clubs, scouts and taking the kids on adventures then of course the Andrew tates have a market and sad reality is there’s not much anyone can do because by the time boys are teenagers it’s too late to fix. You have to start at 4/5 yrs

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

I think he is exploitive in ways, he shows arrogance and has been demeaning. But he has a positive things like I say giving young males some hope in the fact you don't have to be sit and be miserable, go out and get your happiness. Don't stew over a broken heart. And know not everyone is your friend when growing up.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

His rhetoric and narrative is dangerous on many levels, the gezzer is a fucking liability to societal equality and the hopes of achieving that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh...I think he's a cunt

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

He is conman and a pimp! a perverted grifter preying on the insecurities of vulnerable young men and incel's to line his pockets. Because sexualy exploiting woman wasn't quite profitable enough on its own.

He and his brother are human garbage and will hopefully end up penniless and rotting in Romanian prisons.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I think he is exploitive in ways, he shows arrogance and has been demeaning. But he has a positive things like I say giving young males some hope in the fact you don't have to be sit and be miserable, go out and get your happiness. Don't stew over a broken heart. And know not everyone is your friend when growing up."

Aren't there people who can give the positive message, but without the misogyny and hate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He’s a vile human who deserves everything he’s getting and more, toxic is too nice a word for someone like that

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

I love the attempt to brand his basic misogyny and violence as "traditional masculinity" or whatever.

If young men are "lost" then they need help finding their place in the world, not to be taught that women are to blame.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

In your opinion does this outweigh the other stuff?

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By *lay 4 your plessureMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"sell these ideas to young lost MEN. "

Otherwise known as taking advantage of vulnerable and impressionable men. Bad enough as it is, but then, to add on the fact he's teaching those men to take advantage of women's vulnerability too, I really don't think you'll find many people with any sense of morality coming out in support of him. That's my opinion anyway

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter.

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

"In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter. "

But what though he is a evil person who is just exploiting people

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By *.T.Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

It isn't traditional masculinity.

I'm all in favour of having self worth, being a provider, being a strong self supporting individual, but that also includes taking responsibility, treating other with respect and not being a dick.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter. "

I'm not sure misogyny is a good lesson for young men to learn.

Maybe compassion for themselves and others would be a better place for them to go.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

How bad is he, when every person has their right to their own views and who they look up to? "

I think he thrives on publicity even negative publicity helps him , so best just to ignore?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter. "

Would you be happy for any woman you love to date a man like him?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

A large part of the problem is that masculinity is often viewed on a spectrum by people. Like most things.

For some even the slightest hint of it becomes toxic and misogynistic. While to others they find a strong presence of it appealing.

There is obviously a line that crosses in to the dangerous side but when people have such varied opinions on such things it's difficult to find your place in the world of masculinity without being questioned.

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By *weetiepie99Woman
over a year ago

cardiff

"In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter. "

Well you've obviously been brainwashed by his idealogy and rhetoric

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

I haven't seen him express anything about exploiting women or asking young men to. He speaks on providing for them. May of spoke on 'sleeping with multiple beautiful women'. He's a salesmen at the end of the day.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

He is making sure that a bunch of men won't get fucked in the future.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter.

Would you be happy for any woman you love to date a man like him?"

Great question

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"I haven't seen him express anything about exploiting women or asking young men to. He speaks on providing for them. May of spoke on 'sleeping with multiple beautiful women'. He's a salesmen at the end of the day."

He's on sex trafficking charges amongst other things how's that not exploitation

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

If you use the reply+quote button under the post you're responding to we'll know who you're answering

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

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By *hakespears SwingersCouple
over a year ago

Warwickshire

Asshat. Shouldn’t give him the oxygen of publicity.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation. "

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago "

Bbc reported more charges on the 14th https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65899428.amp

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago "

And replaced by more serious ones as far as I can see

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By *eally_RosieWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Can’t say I’m a fan. I think he’s arrogant and full of himself. I don’t disagree with his views on personal accountability though, and you don’t get to be a multiple kickboxing champion without being able to back up what you say, and the ‘mysoginist’ thing is a bit far fetched.

I’m not really interested in what he has to say, but I do find it pretty alarming that anyone can be held for over 3 months with no charges brought against them. That’s the thing people should be paying attention to

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

"Can’t say I’m a fan. I think he’s arrogant and full of himself. I don’t disagree with his views on personal accountability though, and you don’t get to be a multiple kickboxing champion without being able to back up what you say, and the ‘mysoginist’ thing is a bit far fetched.

There are multiple charges being put against him

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65899428.amp

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

I love posts like this. I get to add people to my blacklist.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

Spend a bit more time looking at the things he says. You'll find all the things people are talking to you about on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago

And replaced by more serious ones as far as I can see"

Yes this.

He's still under investigation, so no charges yet, but certainly not dropped

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago

And replaced by more serious ones as far as I can see"

OK I didn't read that far, hopefully he'll be found guilty and face some Romainain jail time, then we'll see how he really is amongst some really naughty men

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago

And replaced by more serious ones as far as I can see

OK I didn't read that far, hopefully he'll be found guilty and face some Romainain jail time, then we'll see how he really is amongst some really naughty men "

Fingers crossed he gets what he deserves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be hasn't.

He is being investigated for multiple serious offences and under what has been described as 'house arrest' which in reality is no different than being on bail, in UK terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion I believe he isn't the role model to have, but I do believe a young man can learn things some valuable from him. That's alls I can say on the matter. "

How to disrespect women? How to say they are partly to blame for r 8 pe? How to treat them like sh&t?

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By *umblefunMan
over a year ago

London/ South West (Devon, Somerset).

He’s a complete non entity, with no respect for anyone but himself. His only claim to fame is being able to make money out of people gullible enough to believe the rubbish he pedals.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago

And replaced by more serious ones as far as I can see

OK I didn't read that far, hopefully he'll be found guilty and face some Romainain jail time, then we'll see how he really is amongst some really naughty men

Fingers crossed he gets what he deserves "

If there's justice then but as we all know money talks and bullshit walks

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

Coming from Liverpool I definitely don't trust the media that's for sure.

Believe what you like, he isn't teaching young men to human traffic.

I'm here now defending him which I didn't intend. But I would be blindsided if I said he couldn't help any young male at any point of their life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe what you like, he isn't teaching young men to human traffic.

No. It would appear he may have been doing that himself.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The accusations against him in Romania are deeply troubling.

He's innocent until proven guilty under law. However, would you or anyone else recommend a person with that hanging over them as a source of advice? I sure as fuck wouldn't.

(And what I've seen of his advice isn't that great either)

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"Coming from Liverpool I definitely don't trust the media that's for sure.

Believe what you like, he isn't teaching young men to human traffic.

I'm here now defending him which I didn't intend. But I would be blindsided if I said he couldn't help any young male at any point of their life."

No.you just started a controversial thread about him. And defending him suggests you hold him in some regard and value.....

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By *eyeYCouple
over a year ago

Nr Leicester

Absolute horrid individual! Need a role model? Try Paul Mort instead.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"Coming from Liverpool I definitely don't trust the media that's for sure.

Believe what you like, he isn't teaching young men to human traffic.

I'm here now defending him which I didn't intend. But I would be blindsided if I said he couldn't help any young male at any point of their life."

What help them in the art of human Trafficking

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

He’s literally facing charges for Human Trafficking, R*pe and organising a crime organisation.

I've just googled it after I said the same, they were dropped 4 days ago

And replaced by more serious ones as far as I can see

OK I didn't read that far, hopefully he'll be found guilty and face some Romainain jail time, then we'll see how he really is amongst some really naughty men

Fingers crossed he gets what he deserves

If there's justice then but as we all know money talks and bullshit walks

Like I say, he isn't the role model to have, he's a con man in ways, but he has some interesting points, like how masculinity and testosterone is dropping rapidly in young men. How the school system is fucked. And so fourth. I'm sure there's plenty of broken hearted boys he has helped to turn into men. "

And Jimmy Saville was once praised as a hero too, look how that worked out

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

OP, are you saying that we should praise a con man for offering people advice because it might have helped some people at some point?

Surely we should direct people and their finite resources to places that are less problematic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've watched a few videos of him being interviewed and that's been quite enough to Tel me that he is an utter ****.

That's without all the criminal charges etc.

The way he speaks to women is disgusting and I very much doubt that men that thought he was awesome would like it if he spoke to the women they loved like it.

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By *929Man
over a year ago

bedlington

I don’t really know enough about him to form an opinion if only heard of him because of my two sons mentioning him.

From the bits I’ve seen he goes out of his way to be provocative which even if it’s to hate on him it brings him attention he knows exactly what he’s doing, I also don’t understand the extreme hate but again I haven’t saw enough of him to fairly judge.

My eldest son/step son whatever want to call it was pretty taken with him more so the money side of things and signed up to his university thing I pre warned him it would be a load of shit and it was exactly that, told him that’s the reason the cunts rich preying on the gullible

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By *oofy321Man
over a year ago

moon base zero

Unfortunately there are a lot of young men who want to be like him.the money,the girls, the lifestyle

There is a surge of men wanting to be manly and he speaks on their level

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

He’s incredibly popular with young males because he’s telling them things they want to hear.

He’s also toxic, manipulative and exploitative.

I wouldn’t like to be raised by one of his followers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"He’s incredibly popular with young males because he’s telling them things they want to hear.

He’s also toxic, manipulative and exploitative.

I wouldn’t like to be raised by one of his followers. "

I do agree with you, he is narcissistic in a lot of ways. I like the debate.

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By *eally_RosieWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Be hasn't.

He is being investigated for multiple serious offences and under what has been described as 'house arrest' which in reality is no different than being on bail, in UK terms. "

He was detained in December 22. The charges/investigation were formally levied in April 23. My arithmetic might be off but that’s 3 months detained with no charges. I didn’t say there weren’t any. Same reply to post above too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just here to see who I need to block.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"Coming from Liverpool I definitely don't trust the media that's for sure.

Believe what you like, he isn't teaching young men to human traffic.

I'm here now defending him which I didn't intend. But I would be blindsided if I said he couldn't help any young male at any point of their life."

Help them what?

Earn millions like he did?

Be a decent person who treats everyone with respect?

Give them the confidence to get out of their gaming chairs, find decent friends and have a real life?

If young men are struggling they need proper help, not help from someone like Andrew Tate.

He's not the epitome of masculinity for me, just because he was good at a martial art.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way."

I'm on the fence too. I find it interesting how he is anti establishment. Now all the media is coming for him with accusations and no evidence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/andrew-tate-says-women-house-28897476.amp

A news article titled how they have evidence of him stating women cannot leave his house. But the video is of the raid, where they find no women held against their will. A lot of these articles are also written by extreme feminists such as the one from GQ.

I agree with some of his statements, like how modern day men have become weaker. He makes you think, doesn't mean he is the role model young men need, but his influence isn't all bad.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

I think he’s vile.

But as you rightly said, everyone has the right to look up to who they want.

Personally, I prefer my men to aim higher than Andrew Tate’s views.

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

I'm on the fence too. I find it interesting how he is anti establishment. Now all the media is coming for him with accusations and no evidence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/andrew-tate-says-women-house-28897476.amp

I agree with some of his statements, like how modern day men have become weaker. He makes you think, doesn't mean he is the role model young men need, but his influence isn't all bad. "

How have modern day men become weaker though?

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By *rMotivator2.0Man
over a year ago

Donegal

He's plays a character on social media definitely loves to flash the cash and all it brings obviously not that wealthy if he talks about it all the time, although very smart comes across very strong I agree with some things he says and alot of it I don't, he allures young men with no confidence or social skills because alot of what he says resonates with them and hey he has probably helped alot of them out in some way, I don't really get the toxic masculinity thing I don't think it's even a thing, he's like every other personality on social media trying to stand out and then again social media is just pure poison so they're all the one shade

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way."

He's not behaving in a traditional masculine way, unless you mean flexing his muscles and flashing his money around young women.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

I'm on the fence too. I find it interesting how he is anti establishment. Now all the media is coming for him with accusations and no evidence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/andrew-tate-says-women-house-28897476.amp

I agree with some of his statements, like how modern day men have become weaker. He makes you think, doesn't mean he is the role model young men need, but his influence isn't all bad. "

Do you feel weak?

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"Coming from Liverpool I definitely don't trust the media that's for sure.

Believe what you like, he isn't teaching young men to human traffic.

I'm here now defending him which I didn't intend. But I would be blindsided if I said he couldn't help any young male at any point of their life.

Help them what?

Earn millions like he did?

Be a decent person who treats everyone with respect?

Give them the confidence to get out of their gaming chairs, find decent friends and have a real life?

If young men are struggling they need proper help, not help from someone like Andrew Tate.

He's not the epitome of masculinity for me, just because he was good at a martial art.

Again im only stating what i know and have seen. He preaches pride, honour, be strong and protect yourself, be motivated, have fun, live your life but have a plan. He is toxic, but so is mcgregor and he is another male influencer. The world is full of toxic people. I'm not saying he's a role model, yet again.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

I'm not going to talk about him other than say I hope he is convicted and serves time.

I would prefer to draw attention to the need he meets. If what he says didn't resonate with some then he wouldn't be a thing

He's part of the respectable far right. They're shape shifters so hard to pin down. Some are chauvinists, men are men and women are subservient to them. Some are Red Pillers. You got J Peterson who is a clever POS, he sees a market an exploits it

Our world is changing, women don't need a man anymore. Women are better educated than men now. Thats cool. But it creates opportunities for Tate to exploit men and women.

Hannah Arendt who some of you 'ologists might know wrote in the 30's that loneliness was the root of facism. Well we got a crisis of loneliness.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

As someone who tries to see both sides of a coin I think he's potentially very dangerous in terms of the potential influence on less than intelligent males. Misogyny is never a positive, no more so than radical feminism. Any boy/man who's well brought up will know right from wrong, what constitutes gentlemanly behavior and what constitutes respect and equality. I hear his message and hear good points at times, but am generally very wary of anyone who puts his/her self in a position to potentially cause harm. Many have made their minds up about him, but there's definitely a certain amount of yin with the yang. That being said these type of people don't remotely influence me. I set my moral standards myself not by anyone else's watch, particularly if their primary aim is to make money from what they're doing. Manipulative whether it's intended or not.....I'm out!

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

He's not behaving in a traditional masculine way, unless you mean flexing his muscles and flashing his money around young women.

Traditional masculinity IS stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression. Google it

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

He’s accused of r8pe, exploitation and human trafficking.

That’s not just posturing. He’s the real deal.

I know people just believe what they want to, but he doesn’t really come across as a good guy…

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"As someone who tries to see both sides of a coin I think he's potentially very dangerous in terms of the potential influence on less than intelligent males. Misogyny is never a positive, no more so than radical feminism. Any boy/man who's well brought up will know right from wrong, what constitutes gentlemanly behavior and what constitutes respect and equality. I hear his message and hear good points at times, but am generally very wary of anyone who puts his/her self in a position to potentially cause harm. Many have made their minds up about him, but there's definitely a certain amount of yin with the yang. That being said these type of people don't remotely influence me. I set my moral standards myself not by anyone else's watch, particularly if their primary aim is to make money from what they're doing. Manipulative whether it's intended or not.....I'm out!"

Yes I agree, I've ended up defending tate, but I'm the devil's advocate. I wouldn't want anyone I know to be influenced by him. But I do agree with him on some statements

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

He's not behaving in a traditional masculine way, unless you mean flexing his muscles and flashing his money around young women.

Traditional masculinity IS stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression. Google it

Do you know what Stoicism is...as an avid reader of Stoic philosophy, Andrew tate most certainly doesn't fit into Stoic philosophy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, hes a conman making gullible males believe he has all the answers, at a cost. Hes using everyone who has dealings with him as his bank balance just grows.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"He’s accused of r8pe, exploitation and human trafficking.

That’s not just posturing. He’s the real deal.

I know people just believe what they want to, but he doesn’t really come across as a good guy…"

He's a cocky fucker. Toxic in his ways. But he makes some interesting points at times. I don't know if he is guilty or not, neither do you. But i do believe false accusations to despair real accusations. What I do know he has been embraced by many into the Muslim community where these accusations are extremely haram.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"A news article titled how they have evidence of him stating women cannot leave his house. But the video is of the raid, where they find no women held against their will. A lot of these articles are also written by extreme feminists such as the one from GQ.

I agree with some of his statements, like how modern day men have become weaker. He makes you think, doesn't mean he is the role model young men need, but his influence isn't all bad. "

This is bullshit, pure and simple. Men haven't become weaker, women have become stronger, thats not the same thing. The world has changed, there's a lot I don't like about but there's a lot I do. Tate is a cancer than exploits the feeble minded and vulnerable. "Extreme feminists", what is wrong with you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Misogyny kills women - radical feminism has never killed anybody.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"He’s accused of r8pe, exploitation and human trafficking.

That’s not just posturing. He’s the real deal.

I know people just believe what they want to, but he doesn’t really come across as a good guy…

Which are his interesting points you agree with? Out of interest

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

He's not behaving in a traditional masculine way, unless you mean flexing his muscles and flashing his money around young women.

Traditional masculinity IS stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression. Google it

Do you know what Stoicism is...as an avid reader of Stoic philosophy, Andrew tate most certainly doesn't fit into Stoic philosophy "

I think near enough all celebrities could not be stoic. And he isn't since he relies on people's opinions of himself.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"He’s accused of r8pe, exploitation and human trafficking.

That’s not just posturing. He’s the real deal.

I know people just believe what they want to, but he doesn’t really come across as a good guy…

Which are his interesting points you agree with? Out of interest

Off the top of my head, I'm not his fan, but I'm interested in the topic so I'll give it my best shot... he believes in brotherhood, teamwork, loyalty, preaches hard work, to be strong, competitive, advocate of fitness and mental strength.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know nothing of this person, only comments I've read online, mainly here.

From what I can gather, he's the epitome of a man believing he's alpha when in reality, he's simply toxic.

I think though, he's not necessarily the problem but the result of a seriously divided society, divided into the smallest of pieces, and so very willing to be so.

Not all masculinity is toxic, not all feminine wholesome.

Let me add, I'm certainly not masculine, in fact both my partner and my partner before have jokingly referred to me as the mum in this relationship.

My partner also joked a few times, saying .... Can't I be the woman in this relationship, for once.

I was brought up surrounded by good women, with only my grandad as a man in my life until I was around 10 years of age.

Until we can begin to pull together, fight together against all that is wrong, in this sense both Misogyny and Misandry, this problem is going to get bigger.

My eldest son is seriously damaged by his mother, with her Misandry, toxic feminine traits.

Thankfully he mentioned Andrew Tate to me recently and he tells me he's a prize prick, then suggested to me he's like a male version of his Mum.

I didn't ask him to explain how, I allowed him to speak as he pleases.

My youngest son has no interest in this disgusting (from what I can gather) man either.

Thankfully, that's one personal battle I won't need to partake.

In a world of divide, be the togetherness.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

He's not behaving in a traditional masculine way, unless you mean flexing his muscles and flashing his money around young women.

Traditional masculinity IS stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression. Google it

Do you know what Stoicism is...as an avid reader of Stoic philosophy, Andrew tate most certainly doesn't fit into Stoic philosophy

I think near enough all celebrities could not be stoic. And he isn't since he relies on people's opinions of himself. "

Totally disagree with that about all celebrities. There is many who definitely are very stoic in nature

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

He's a grade A cunt.

I'd rather get spitroasted by Trump & Bojo than share oxygen with him.

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By *ittlebirdWoman
over a year ago

The Big Smoke

"He's a grade A cunt.

I'd rather get spitroasted by Trump & Bojo than share oxygen with him.

Can I watch?

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

There have been many people peddling ideologies to lost young people over the years and then profiting in terms of money or power.

Andrew Tate is not in the slightest bit original. The first time I saw him, he was spouting some monologue about what women want and how they think. My daughter looked at me and said: guess I'm not a woman then, because I can't relate to any of that.

I was very glad to hear that, because I would be very concerned for her well-being. If she had anything to do with anyone who held such views.

If you want some philosophical guidance on life read Bertrand Russell's History of western philosophy. Or watch the Yale Philosophy lectures on line. Actually learn some basic critical reasoning skills, because if you think Andrew Tate has the answers you are well and truly fucked. It's like Brass eye was a blueprint for the future rather than satire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree with some of his statements, like how modern day men have become weaker. He makes you think, doesn't mean he is the role model young men need, but his influence isn't all bad. "

Out of interest, how have modern day men become weaker?

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By *ittlebirdWoman
over a year ago

The Big Smoke

OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He could be on fire and I wouldn't waste a squirt of piss to put him out

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"He's a grade A cunt.

I'd rather get spitroasted by Trump & Bojo than share oxygen with him.

Can I watch?

If you can persuade Tate to take a one way trip to Mars......of course!

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"A charge is not a conviction.

Apart from that I'm on the fence about him -- I dont have enough information to offer a judgement.

However, while I have no time for genuine misogyny, I'm also tired of feminists bleating 'toxic masculinity' anytime a man behaves in a traditionally masculine way.

He's not behaving in a traditional masculine way, unless you mean flexing his muscles and flashing his money around young women.

Traditional masculinity IS stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression. Google it

Do you know what Stoicism is...as an avid reader of Stoic philosophy, Andrew tate most certainly doesn't fit into Stoic philosophy

I think near enough all celebrities could not be stoic. And he isn't since he relies on people's opinions of himself.

Totally disagree with that about all celebrities. There is many who definitely are very stoic in nature "

If that's what you think

Keanu reeves is the only one who comes to mind. Some many practice it, like Arnold swarzenegger. It is something learnt so potentially there could be

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"There have been many people peddling ideologies to lost young people over the years and then profiting in terms of money or power.

I was very glad to hear that, because I would be very concerned for her well-being. If she had anything to do with anyone who held such views.

This all day long, well said that man

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"There have been many people peddling ideologies to lost young people over the years and then profiting in terms of money or power.

I was very glad to hear that, because I would be very concerned for her well-being. If she had anything to do with anyone who held such views.

Thanks for your comment

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By *ittlebirdWoman
over a year ago

The Big Smoke

"He's a grade A cunt.

I'd rather get spitroasted by Trump & Bojo than share oxygen with him.

Can I watch?

If you can persuade Tate to take a one way trip to Mars......of course!

I’ll help him pack

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of that, he does play on young mens insecurities. Im not here to say hes right with everything he says. I agree he could be dangerous. Like I've said all the way through this forum I'm the devil's advocate. I came to spark a debate. Alls you see is how bad he is from the media. I wanted to see if anyone agreed with some of his messages. I STILL believe some of his messages will help a young man. But he shouldn't be the role model and shouldn't have all that power he has.

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By *ittlebirdWoman
over a year ago

The Big Smoke

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

No. I don’t think any of his messages can help anyone but himself. That’s what he’s there to do. As someone above quite eloquently put. He’s a grifter.

And in this life. If it acts like a cunt, speaks like a cunt. It’s a cunt

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?"

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

Quite.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

Quite.

"he's not all bad"

"he's only a misogynist some of the time"

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?"

You're very right there. It's a fine line I guess, if you're influenced by some opinions you may be influenced by other opinions. But I do believe a young man would have morals in place, built from society.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

Quite.

"he's not all bad"

"he's only a misogynist some of the time"

Thanks for the sarcasm

read back if you like. I state some of his opinions are positive for a young man. Im open to debate, I'm not arrogant myself

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

If a man and it isn't just young ones who follow him, have morals in place built by society he won't need to follow whatever Mr Tate's positive opinions are. He will have his own opinions based on those morals

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

How bad is he, when every person has their right to their own views and who they look up to? "

Op, I do find it intresting how the stance has changed throughout this thread. You start by basically defending him, his teachings, leanings, his less than favorable moralistic stance...to when people challenge that, it moves into I only agree with dome of it...which totally negates the statement which I paraphrase...we all have the right to look up to who you look up to...if you look up to him then look up to him, and stand in your truth...

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

Quite.

"he's not all bad"

"he's only a misogynist some of the time"

Thanks for the sarcasm

read back if you like. I state some of his opinions are positive for a young man. Im open to debate, I'm not arrogant myself

You're open to debate, I'm not. Debating him legitimises him, gives him credibility that he doesn't have. He's a cancer. I hope you can find your way out of this thinking.

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By *ohndom2023Man
over a year ago

Hastings/Greenwich

Never heard of him but he sounds like a cunt.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

How bad is he, when every person has their right to their own views and who they look up to?

You have been coming at me all night I guess you have some motivation to lump me in as a fan

I'm here to debate so I'll answer your attack on my integrity.

Like I have stated from the beginning, I'm the devil's advocate. I stated it may sound like I'm defending him but I'm not.

My view hasn't changed once throughout the thread, I stated some of his messages would aid a young man. I stated he is selling traditional masculinity, and I agreed he is toxic. My OPINION is that some of what he preaches is not bad information for a young man. Like I've stated for the 5th time.... brotherhood, hard work, fitness, mental strength, loyalty etc.

Like I have also stated he comes with the bad, and I am enjoying the debate and learning some valuable things. Such as the lady who stated how would they differentiate the good from the bad.

This is purely a debate. I don't claim to be a 'know it all' myself. So hope this clears things up for you my friend.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

Quite.

"he's not all bad"

"he's only a misogynist some of the time"

Thanks for the sarcasm

read back if you like. I state some of his opinions are positive for a young man. Im open to debate, I'm not arrogant myself

You're open to debate, I'm not. Debating him legitimises him, gives him credibility that he doesn't have. He's a cancer. I hope you can find your way out of this thinking."

I don't have any problems with my thinking I have great morales and I'm a gent. I'm also a realist. The real thing is he is influencing young men, so I debated: is it all bad. If you don't want to debate you can leave

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

Honestly OP In my own opinion...

I would say that to a certain level Andrew Tate is a dangerous individual...

the man is a former professional kick boxing champion...

he has an alleged connection or involvement to serious organised criminal activities in the past which suggests a possible link/relationship to underworld criminal syndicates...

Despite how he may appear sometimes on his videos or things he comes out with or does/shows off about he has a level off intelligence that he does not always display...

for instance his knowledge on things such as chess strategies...

he knows that his opinions are controversial and at times go to provocative to even sometimes a fine line between illegal and legal even..

he is fully aware off his target audience be it from celebrities/famous people to you're everyday man or woman or younger audiences..

he knows how to level with them as he is the kind off guy who given a platform with the things he is coming out with he knows it appeases to societies more negative desires or outlooks/behaviour which are normally banned on mainstream social outlets/media or just everyday life..

He uses a blunt or often no bars held approach in getting his points across or when he is telling people how to do things which would normally be seen as wrong or immoral...

he was interviewed not so long ago by a BBC journalist and he some how managed to turn the tables on the interviewer...

make no mistake he will have some sociopathic/psychotic tendencies which draws and influences people or sometimes those who can be more susceptible to manipulation in life.....

does he from time to time make some interesting or valid points about life? I guess so....

but overall he knows how to reel people in and have them want to follow his life style as they see the wealth or the houses/cars/women or his personality and think they want to live a life similar to his own life style..

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

Im done. Debate over.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Even a stopped clock

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

"Im done. Debate over.

Alright no problem...

my post was not a dig or slight etc at you OP in anyway it was just an assessment off the man in general..

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"OP he is a twat whose views are at best disgusting, at worst dangerous.

He plays on young men’s insecurities in the same ways that other fundamentalists do. And that should be stopped in the best way. Ignore him and don’t give him air time.

How will an impressionable young (and not so young) man differentiate between the good and the bad bits of what he says?

And therein lies the problem. They don't.

Quite.

"he's not all bad"

"he's only a misogynist some of the time"

Thanks for the sarcasm

read back if you like. I state some of his opinions are positive for a young man. Im open to debate, I'm not arrogant myself

You're open to debate, I'm not. Debating him legitimises him, gives him credibility that he doesn't have. He's a cancer. I hope you can find your way out of this thinking.

Thanks for allowing me to leave.

"is it all bad" that stood out to me. Is it all bad?

No, but overall it's bad.

It's up to you but why not take a few moments to look up what a useful idiot is.

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By *weet.touch OP Man
over a year ago

north west

"Im done. Debate over.

Alright no problem...

my post was not a dig or slight etc at you OP in anyway it was just an assessment off the man in general.."

I appreciate your post I just read it now, one of the best replies I had. Key points made thank you for the comment. Hes more intelligent than he lets on and is very strategic thats for sure. I've had my fun now with the debate the times up for me. Thanks once again

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

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....I see well then take care OP it was an interesting thread to read

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over a year ago

"Honestly OP In my own opinion...