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"I agree on the likely scoreline OP, especially after seeing what the Aussies did to India, I can't see England winning. It'll be close though; the series score might not reflect the matches. " Yes that was a hammering. But I feel like the Ashes are just different. I don’t know | |||
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"I think England will win it 3-1. They're looking great wth their Bazball style of play and perfectly complements their ODI dominance to bring the best out of their batsmen whereas Aus still rely on Smith and Marnus to get the runs with Head chipping in with a good innings. Also, growing up as a spin bowler in village cricket, can I highlight the absolute disrespect the English have for them? Their frontline spinner is injured so they bring someone out of retirement who was primarily a batsman who did part time off spin. Is there really that dearth of quality that no one else could be given a chance? ![]() England have had loads of good spinners over the years and there are a couple of decent ones out there. It's just that Bazball dictates that you pack your side full of batsmen that can do other things and Moeen is the obvious choice for that. Why else is Bairstow in there as keeper? He's not there as number one choice in that position. | |||
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"I think England will win it 3-1. They're looking great wth their Bazball style of play and perfectly complements their ODI dominance to bring the best out of their batsmen whereas Aus still rely on Smith and Marnus to get the runs with Head chipping in with a good innings. Also, growing up as a spin bowler in village cricket, can I highlight the absolute disrespect the English have for them? Their frontline spinner is injured so they bring someone out of retirement who was primarily a batsman who did part time off spin. Is there really that dearth of quality that no one else could be given a chance? ![]() They have? ![]() | |||
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"The spinner problem is that as promising a talent the young chaps are. An Ashes series can trash an inexperienced spinners mentality and confidence for the rest of his career. The Aussie top order smash him out of all parts of the ground. Moeen is a smart choice, he won’t mind one way or the other because he’ll disappear back into retirement as soon as the series has ended. I’m torn on the series scoreline. On one hand I’d love an exciting 3-2 or 3-1 win. On the other, I fear that Baz Ball will see us skittled many times, and that the Aussie top 4 score really heavily. " I get what you mean, but is it much of a good look bringing a part time spinner out of retirement if others are performing at county level? It happens a lot at grass roots too where younger spinners are taken off if they give away a 4 or 6 ball for a couple of overs which craps on their confidence even more. | |||
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"I think England will win it 3-1. They're looking great wth their Bazball style of play and perfectly complements their ODI dominance to bring the best out of their batsmen whereas Aus still rely on Smith and Marnus to get the runs with Head chipping in with a good innings. Also, growing up as a spin bowler in village cricket, can I highlight the absolute disrespect the English have for them? Their frontline spinner is injured so they bring someone out of retirement who was primarily a batsman who did part time off spin. Is there really that dearth of quality that no one else could be given a chance? ![]() ![]() Moeen's not the only spinner in the side. | |||
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"I think England will win it 3-1. They're looking great wth their Bazball style of play and perfectly complements their ODI dominance to bring the best out of their batsmen whereas Aus still rely on Smith and Marnus to get the runs with Head chipping in with a good innings. Also, growing up as a spin bowler in village cricket, can I highlight the absolute disrespect the English have for them? Their frontline spinner is injured so they bring someone out of retirement who was primarily a batsman who did part time off spin. Is there really that dearth of quality that no one else could be given a chance? ![]() ![]() Please don't say Joe Root ![]() | |||
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"I think England will win it 3-1. They're looking great wth their Bazball style of play and perfectly complements their ODI dominance to bring the best out of their batsmen whereas Aus still rely on Smith and Marnus to get the runs with Head chipping in with a good innings. Also, growing up as a spin bowler in village cricket, can I highlight the absolute disrespect the English have for them? Their frontline spinner is injured so they bring someone out of retirement who was primarily a batsman who did part time off spin. Is there really that dearth of quality that no one else could be given a chance? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I was SO looking forward to this a few months ago, mostly because I thought with Wood and Archer back we finally had some quicks who could match fire for fire when it comes to the Australian pace attack. Now both are injured, Stokes can't bowl and can barely bat or field, our leading attack is 76 years old, we've dropped the best England wicket-keeper in a generation, and we have a retired spinner. It's an appalling prospect." Wood isn’t injured, they haven’t picked him for this test. Stokes will bowl, the injury to Leach is unfortunate but who else would you pick to replace him? I agree with you about Foakes though, always play your best keeper. | |||
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"I was SO looking forward to this a few months ago, mostly because I thought with Wood and Archer back we finally had some quicks who could match fire for fire when it comes to the Australian pace attack. Now both are injured, Stokes can't bowl and can barely bat or field, our leading attack is 76 years old, we've dropped the best England wicket-keeper in a generation, and we have a retired spinner. It's an appalling prospect." Appalling is a bit strong, old boy. Chin up. | |||
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"I was SO looking forward to this a few months ago, mostly because I thought with Wood and Archer back we finally had some quicks who could match fire for fire when it comes to the Australian pace attack. Now both are injured, Stokes can't bowl and can barely bat or field, our leading attack is 76 years old, we've dropped the best England wicket-keeper in a generation, and we have a retired spinner. It's an appalling prospect." Yeah, that Stokes kid, not sure how he gets in the team, what's he ever done for us..... | |||
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"I was SO looking forward to this a few months ago, mostly because I thought with Wood and Archer back we finally had some quicks who could match fire for fire when it comes to the Australian pace attack. Now both are injured, Stokes can't bowl and can barely bat or field, our leading attack is 76 years old, we've dropped the best England wicket-keeper in a generation, and we have a retired spinner. It's an appalling prospect. Yeah, that Stokes kid, not sure how he gets in the team, what's he ever done for us....." I don't think he was talking about Stokes' quality, it's there for all to see. He's just unfit and don't think he's been playing fully fit for a while. | |||
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"I was SO looking forward to this a few months ago, mostly because I thought with Wood and Archer back we finally had some quicks who could match fire for fire when it comes to the Australian pace attack. Now both are injured, Stokes can't bowl and can barely bat or field, our leading attack is 76 years old, we've dropped the best England wicket-keeper in a generation, and we have a retired spinner. It's an appalling prospect. Yeah, that Stokes kid, not sure how he gets in the team, what's he ever done for us..... I don't think he was talking about Stokes' quality, it's there for all to see. He's just unfit and don't think he's been playing fully fit for a while." It's true his knee has been dodgy for a while, but I'd take him on one leg. What he brings to the team and the group at large is so much more than the runs & wickets, it's about his leadership and the tone he sets. I'm old enough to remember when Mike Brearley was captain, not that great as a player but his leadership was superb. The fact he could get the most out of the likes of Botham meant he was worth his place, even if he never scored a run | |||
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"As others have said Aussies battering India is different to the Ashes. I think (hope) that they may be overfaced with some of our batting but also know that they will come out hard with the ball and I can see a couple of tests being very one sided in each direction with a more balanced outcome in the others. Rain permitting I'm going 3-2 to England " Well yeah, because India are wank! T20 specialists masquerading as test players but I won't get started on that ![]() | |||
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"T20 specialists masquerading as test players but I won't get started on that ![]() Well like it or lump it, this is Bazball. | |||
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"140-0 at lunch, or 80-5. Where's your money?" All I know is that it's going to take a lot of orange powder from Just Stop Oil for this to be a draw. | |||
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"140-0 at lunch, or 80-5. Where's your money?" 115-1 | |||
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"140-0 at lunch, or 80-5. Where's your money? 115-1" I'd take that | |||
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"Is it only being shown on Sky sports? Marc" TMS on Five Live Extra ![]() | |||
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"Is it only being shown on Sky sports? Marc TMS on Five Live Extra ![]() Yes I’m listening to that right now Marc | |||
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"So tomorrow the old rivalries start what’s everyone’s opinions on how it will go ? Obviously I would love to see England win the series but we are highly dependent on Jimmy Anderson at 40 to keep fit Moeene Ali is another anomaly his last match v Oz at Edgbaston he got destroyed and no way is Stokes fit I just hope our top order batsman don’t do the recent collapse My prediction Oz to win 3-1 with one match abandoned due to rain " Cant see us taking 20 wickets but you never know... English conditions... I suspect the hot summer hard pitches will suit the aussie bowlers more than us. Depends how broad goes really. When hes hot hes hot. And him and warner have a cracking rivalry. So... Depends on the toss really. No drawers unless weather intervenes. Think we have a good record at edgbaston dont we? So 4 1 aussies. | |||
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"Stokes random fielding decisions unnerved me at times but the toss win is pretty crucial. Bet that heavy roller has been going all night." I think his random field placements are wayyyyy better than joe roots 9 2 fiels bowl short and wide tactics. Why anyone wants to remove 2 ways of getting a batsman out all innings is beyond me. | |||
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"T20 specialists masquerading as test players but I won't get started on that ![]() I was talking about the Indian players ![]() | |||
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"T20 specialists masquerading as test players but I won't get started on that ![]() ![]() It definitely applies to both ![]() | |||
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"140-0 at lunch, or 80-5. Where's your money? 115-1 I'd take that" This might not be far off the mark at the rate they're going. ![]() | |||
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"140-0 at lunch, or 80-5. Where's your money? 115-1 I'd take that This might not be far off the mark at the rate they're going. ![]() I have to say I'm a bit spooked that I might be close , but that review has just blown it! | |||
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"Have a bad feeling this might be given" I don’t understand how the umpire missed it?! | |||
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"3 - 1 Aussies is about as optimistic as I can be ![]() G'day, Bob. | |||
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"3 - 1 Aussies is about as optimistic as I can be ![]() Where is the drawer coming? Weather? | |||
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"Poir umpiring, but that's what reviews are meant for, pick up the howlers. Aussies morning I reckon" Honestly, my football watching friends give me crap about cricket saying it's boring but how we use the technology to help the game is miles ahead of football | |||
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"Poir umpiring, but that's what reviews are meant for, pick up the howlers. Aussies morning I reckon Honestly, my football watching friends give me crap about cricket saying it's boring but how we use the technology to help the game is miles ahead of football" My mates are the same, they don't get it at all. Great first day of the series so far... | |||
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"This is a peak Joe Root performance. A fantastic cricketer. " So good to watch | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. " I never went to a public school (though did go to a prep school) but I love cricket because my Nan, from Jamaica, got me into playing it at a young age! | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. I never went to a public school (though did go to a prep school) but I love cricket because my Nan, from Jamaica, got me into playing it at a young age! " There’s regional and cultural things I think that make it loved | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing." They're watching the cricket. | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. I never went to a public school (though did go to a prep school) but I love cricket because my Nan, from Jamaica, got me into playing it at a young age! " Funny because I went to public and it was only for private school boys if they seriously wanted to get into it. But I grew up watching it with my Dad and I'm Indian so of course I was going to be into cricket ![]() | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. " I used to think that too then went to a match, such a diverse crowd, supporters from both sides sitting together laughing joking and drinking, one eye on the cricket the other talking to people you have never met. I used to go to football a lot and cannot remember befriending anyone | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. I never went to a public school (though did go to a prep school) but I love cricket because my Nan, from Jamaica, got me into playing it at a young age! Funny because I went to public and it was only for private school boys if they seriously wanted to get into it. But I grew up watching it with my Dad and I'm Indian so of course I was going to be into cricket ![]() It’s strong in the culture man! ![]() | |||
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"Gloves?" 3 reverse sweeps in a row. ![]() | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. I used to think that too then went to a match, such a diverse crowd, supporters from both sides sitting together laughing joking and drinking, one eye on the cricket the other talking to people you have never met. I used to go to football a lot and cannot remember befriending anyone" Ditto, always a really diverse crowd at a cricket game. And in every team i've ever played in, in 40 odd years of playing the game | |||
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"Mate, the balls on Root to reverse sweep after almost getting out on the same shot. Unreal!" Bluff and double bluff, great mind games with the bowler | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. I used to think that too then went to a match, such a diverse crowd, supporters from both sides sitting together laughing joking and drinking, one eye on the cricket the other talking to people you have never met. I used to go to football a lot and cannot remember befriending anyone Ditto, always a really diverse crowd at a cricket game. And in every team i've ever played in, in 40 odd years of playing the game" How much of that diverse crowd are now calling Nathan Lyon a shit Moeen Ali? ![]() | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. I never went to a public school (though did go to a prep school) but I love cricket because my Nan, from Jamaica, got me into playing it at a young age! Funny because I went to public and it was only for private school boys if they seriously wanted to get into it. But I grew up watching it with my Dad and I'm Indian so of course I was going to be into cricket ![]() ![]() Absolutely and it's infectious! I was too young to see a lot of things in sport but watching the fearsome foursome of Holiding, Roberts, Marshall and Garner is one of the things I would've loved to have seen live. | |||
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"Ah what a beauty" Shot of the day | |||
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"Gotta love that shot!" Joe is having fun out there | |||
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"Ah what a beauty Shot of the day" I'm picturing it in the theatre of my mind ![]() | |||
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"Ah what a beauty Shot of the day I'm picturing it in the theatre of my mind ![]() Do five still do highlights in the evenings? I might record it just to watch again honestly | |||
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"Ah what a beauty Shot of the day I'm picturing it in the theatre of my mind ![]() BBC 2 at 7pm ![]() | |||
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"Cricket is beyond boring & for public schoolboys. Honestly can't see the appeal. I think I'd rather know what the Beckhams were doing. " Maybe go to a local cricket club before spouting that | |||
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"The various sky commentators think 400 plus on this pitch would be competitive. In Root I trust" I fancy 400. | |||
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"Will this mean a tricksy 30 mins batting for the Aussies this evening? B" You wish is Stokes's command! | |||
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"Will this mean a tricksy 30 mins batting for the Aussies this evening? B You wish is Stokes's command!" I can't believe he's declared! | |||
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"Will this mean a tricksy 30 mins batting for the Aussies this evening? B You wish is Stokes's command! I can't believe he's declared!" Why? Makes total sense ![]() | |||
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"Will this mean a tricksy 30 mins batting for the Aussies this evening? B You wish is Stokes's command! I can't believe he's declared! Why? Makes total sense ![]() Why not see out the the day and then absolutely grind them to dust early tomorrow and then declare? It maybe I'm just too old fashioned and this is Bazball ![]() | |||
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"I dunno about the declaration before 400. But let’s see what the bowlers have got. Australia are more than capable of punishing ![]() I’ve known us bat for days without reaching 400. Let’s face it we aren’t playing for a draw anymore Marc | |||
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"Loving the +ve intent of the declaration, shame we didn't get a late wicket, but it really puts a marker in the ground about our intentions" Really need to get Smith and Labuschagne out cheaply if they can. It's why I worry about England's bowling a bit | |||
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"I dunno about the declaration before 400. But let’s see what the bowlers have got. Australia are more than capable of punishing ![]() I remember thinking over 300 in a day was good for the batting side at a good run rate ![]() | |||
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"Loving the +ve intent of the declaration, shame we didn't get a late wicket, but it really puts a marker in the ground about our intentions Really need to get Smith and Labuschagne out cheaply if they can. It's why I worry about England's bowling a bit" I've got a feeling this is going to be one of those Smith bats for 2 days and a double century tests B | |||
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"Loving the +ve intent of the declaration, shame we didn't get a late wicket, but it really puts a marker in the ground about our intentions Really need to get Smith and Labuschagne out cheaply if they can. It's why I worry about England's bowling a bit I've got a feeling this is going to be one of those Smith bats for 2 days and a double century tests B" Warners due a score too. Dont think our attack is as good as the aussies... And they struggled on the flat track...good days slogging though | |||
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"Loving the +ve intent of the declaration, shame we didn't get a late wicket, but it really puts a marker in the ground about our intentions Really need to get Smith and Labuschagne out cheaply if they can. It's why I worry about England's bowling a bit I've got a feeling this is going to be one of those Smith bats for 2 days and a double century tests B Warners due a score too. Dont think our attack is as good as the aussies... And they struggled on the flat track...good days slogging though" I wouldn't worry about Warner. He seems to be Broad's bunny in England | |||
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"Loving the +ve intent of the declaration, shame we didn't get a late wicket, but it really puts a marker in the ground about our intentions Really need to get Smith and Labuschagne out cheaply if they can. It's why I worry about England's bowling a bit I've got a feeling this is going to be one of those Smith bats for 2 days and a double century tests B Warners due a score too. Dont think our attack is as good as the aussies... And they struggled on the flat track...good days slogging though I wouldn't worry about Warner. He seems to be Broad's bunny in England" I’m sure the Aussies aren’t worried About Joe Root either | |||
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"Broad just loves bowling to Warner!!!" Living in his head rent free at the moment... | |||
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"This gonna sound weird but it feels like watching more traditional test cricket this morning compared to yesterday ![]() I prefer that version but hey ho. More than one way to skin a cat | |||
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"If broads on one... Could be fireworks" He's definitely got the crowd going! He might definitely be on one. | |||
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"Side note, terrible shot on your first ball to get sucked into playing. " Absolutely, easy enough ball to leave for your first one. Feet weren't moving and got stuck in his crease, expect better from Labuschagne | |||
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"Do you think Australia are being dragged into England’s style of play and feeling like they have to compete? Marc " Someone made that point on the bbc sport app, will they not want to look boring in comparison to England's new aggressive decision making and start taking risks | |||
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"Point in case, Brook being given a bowl!" We're only 2 days into a 5 match series and I feel like I should stop being surprised by this sort of thing ![]() | |||
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"Dangerous head - sounds like a fab fetish!" mmmmm sounds good!!! | |||
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"Head is a danger!!!" Not anymore ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Head is a danger!!! Not anymore ![]() ![]() good wicket did hit a quick 50 though!!! | |||
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"You don't automatically get another run, maybe the ball bounced away after hitting the wickets, allowing the batters to run another run" After almost an hour googling this I think I completely misheard, thank you for clearing things up | |||
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"Missed stumping and dropped catch from Bairstow. Wonder if there's a way to get him and Foakes in the side together so you're not compromising the keeper position." It will restart the discussion again for sure. Until JB smashes a century in the 2nd innings ![]() | |||
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"I think today just belonged to Australia. It was mentioned earlier about whether Aus would try to speed up to match England's Bazball and whether they would become unstuck trying to do that but in that last session, Australia did well to slow it down and make England play at their pace." They're not world champions for nothing | |||
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"I’m off to Edgbaston today and tomorrow, I’m hoping for good weather but maybe some cloud cover to help our bowlers. After we took the new ball last night it started to move around a bit. Need some early wickets today to really put the pressure on the Aussies. " Have a great couple of days. Whatever happens it will be entertaining Marc | |||
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"Another mistake by Bairstow this morning. Hope he scores some runs in the second innings to lift the pressure off him a bit." Regardless of how many runs he gets, if aussies win, many will say its because we didn't play our best wicket keeper. The missed stumping alone cost 38 runs. The problem is if you play Foakes, someone has to make way and Johnny's runs are a necessity. | |||
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"Another mistake by Bairstow this morning. Hope he scores some runs in the second innings to lift the pressure off him a bit." That wasn't easy though. Dangerous to assume Foakes wouldn't have done the same there. Though he'd have got the stumping obviously. | |||
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