FabSwingers.com forum: Debate time

By *ixiePoison OP Woman
over a year ago

Darlington

So today's debate at work was, If a lesbian has never been with a man is she still a virgin?

I say no, what do you guys think?

Yeah, we have wierd debates haha

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By *agerMorganMan
over a year ago

Canvey Island

Technically, doesn’t being a virgin mean you’re “pure”, so by that extent whether you’ve surfed a trouser snake or smashed pasties together, you’re no longer “pure”?

Therefore, if you’re a lesbian and did the deed, you’re no longer a virgin?

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

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By *esYesOMGYes!Man
over a year ago

M20

I think I agree with you but it doesn’t feel quite right..

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Are men who have only fucked people in the arse virgins too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you need to sleep with a man in order to loose your virginity? Being a virgin means you’ve never had sex before. 2 women can have sex, which means the virgin is no longer a virgin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can’t tell whether you’re being serious, because if you are, then I think you need to stop having ‘debates’ at work

As a lesbian, why would I ever have to be with a man? I’m not going to have sex with a man just to lose my socially constructed virginity

The problem is how rigid people think lesbian sex. It’s often more exciting than just heterosexuality sex.

A lesbian’s virginity isn’t defined by whether or not she’s had sex with a man. Men are so self centred that they think women, especially lesbians, base their worth off them

News flash: as a lesbian, no male exists in my life: yes I may be on here to explore my sexuality, but I have no care for men or what they can offer me unless it’s out of this world and amazing. The whole point of lesbianism is that it doesn’t include men. Why do men struggle to understand that?

And I don’t care if people think I’m being naggy. Why are men so obsessed with lesbians? We don’t care about you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are men who have only fucked people in the arse virgins too?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If her hymen is still intact then technically yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, they've had sex regardless of whether it was with a man or woman.

Ride a bike or drive a car you're still going to the same destination.

Sorry for the poor analogy!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's realistically a claim to not having had sex with others. Plus, it's a male dominated construct, to enhance their egos, of taking it away from others

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"If her hymen is still intact then technically yes."

So girls who ride horses but have never had any kind of sexual contact are not virgins?

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By *ixiePoison OP Woman
over a year ago

Darlington

I'm sorry if I offended anyone,, it was a gay guy who asked the question initially, and he asked 2 gay women.... They had different answers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If her hymen is still intact then technically yes.

So girls who ride horses but have never had any kind of sexual contact are not virgins?"

Technically yes.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

"If her hymen is still intact then technically yes.

So girls who ride horses but have never had any kind of sexual contact are not virgins?

Technically yes."

Weird.

As far as I was aware the dictionary definition is simply based on sex.

Does that mean those weird hymen reconstructive surgeries do actually make someone a virginity again? Madness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys. "

It's soooo weird.

And it's always been weird.

Not everything revolves around the boner!

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

I wouldn’t imagine it would make a difference in any context at all surly its down to what that individual would view it as rather than a blanket statement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"So today's debate at work was, If a lesbian has never been with a man is she still a virgin?

I say no, what do you guys think?

Yeah, we have wierd debates haha "

Ask Google

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys. "

Couldnt have put it better, i tried but yours is definitely the best way.

I just dont understand whats the obsession of putting labels to things that really dont need them

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys.

Couldnt have put it better, i tried but yours is definitely the best way.

I just dont understand whats the obsession of putting labels to things that really dont need them "

I think labels are useful in some circumstances.

Trying to situate lesbians by their relationship to penises... it's a bit like trying to talk about how Russian something is by talking about its relationship to kangaroos.

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys.

Couldnt have put it better, i tried but yours is definitely the best way.

I just dont understand whats the obsession of putting labels to things that really dont need them

I think labels are useful in some circumstances.

Trying to situate lesbians by their relationship to penises... it's a bit like trying to talk about how Russian something is by talking about its relationship to kangaroos."

There are some situations but this for example really has nothing to do with anyone else other than that individual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys.

Couldnt have put it better, i tried but yours is definitely the best way.

I just dont understand whats the obsession of putting labels to things that really dont need them

I think labels are useful in some circumstances.

Trying to situate lesbians by their relationship to penises... it's a bit like trying to talk about how Russian something is by talking about its relationship to kangaroos.

There are some situations but this for example really has nothing to do with anyone else other than that individual "

It's supposed to be a debate, not a judgement. It takes a very closed mind to not be able to discuss something that "has nothing to do with anyone else other than that individual". The power of speech is one of humankind's greatest achievements and shouldn't be stifled due to discomfiture.

Bess x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry if I offended anyone,, it was a gay guy who asked the question initially, and he asked 2 gay women.... They had different answers...

It's the rule of the forum, try to create a light hearted, tongue in cheek thread, it'll turn serious with much offence taken.

Try to create a serious thread, it'll be overtaken with silliness.

Only way to get a thread to stay close to initial post is to get people to talk about themselves. We love that.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys.

Couldnt have put it better, i tried but yours is definitely the best way.

I just dont understand whats the obsession of putting labels to things that really dont need them

I think labels are useful in some circumstances.

Trying to situate lesbians by their relationship to penises... it's a bit like trying to talk about how Russian something is by talking about its relationship to kangaroos.

There are some situations but this for example really has nothing to do with anyone else other than that individual

Bess x"

Last I saw, both he and I were speaking.

Or is speech only speech when it conforms to your expectations?

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By *ixiePoison OP Woman
over a year ago

Darlington

"I'm sorry if I offended anyone,, it was a gay guy who asked the question initially, and he asked 2 gay women.... They had different answers...

It's the rule of the forum, try to create a light hearted, tongue in cheek thread, it'll turn serious with much offence taken.

Try to create a serious thread, it'll be overtaken with silliness.

Only way to get a thread to stay close to initial post is to get people to talk about themselves. We love that.

Thanks for the advice, it wasn't meant to offend anyone, I'll keep my big mouth shut in future

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry if I offended anyone,, it was a gay guy who asked the question initially, and he asked 2 gay women.... They had different answers...

It's the rule of the forum, try to create a light hearted, tongue in cheek thread, it'll turn serious with much offence taken.

Try to create a serious thread, it'll be overtaken with silliness.

Only way to get a thread to stay close to initial post is to get people to talk about themselves. We love that.

Thanks for the advice, it wasn't meant to offend anyone, I'll keep my big mouth shut in future "

You'd have been lynched if you were a Man.

Toxic Masculinity is a Hot Topic, whereas we are not yet ready for the Toxic Femininity talk.

Comment not aimed at anything specific, but a broken, divided society.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"I'm sorry if I offended anyone,, it was a gay guy who asked the question initially, and he asked 2 gay women.... They had different answers...

It's the rule of the forum, try to create a light hearted, tongue in cheek thread, it'll turn serious with much offence taken.

Try to create a serious thread, it'll be overtaken with silliness.

Only way to get a thread to stay close to initial post is to get people to talk about themselves. We love that.

Nailed it.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Stop with this heteronormative shit definition of virginity. It’s getting weird guys.

It's soooo weird.

And it's always been weird.

Not everything revolves around the boner!"

Mental image of revolving around the boner...

Sorry folks, dragging it into the gutter

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By *ust a little bit moreWoman
over a year ago

kendal

Nope, she's not a virgin,

If she's had sex, she isn't a virgin.

Women can lose Thier hymen at any age regardless of sexual experience, I lost mine very young (I have ridden horses all my life, and was riding 7 days a week and competing)

Gymnasts also are known to lose Thier hymens early too.

So the 'if her hymen is still intact' arguement is out the window, If someone has had penetrative sex of any kind, they are not a virgin.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

It doesn't matter if they have had chicken or sausage, they had sex so not a virgin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry if I offended anyone,, it was a gay guy who asked the question initially, and he asked 2 gay women.... They had different answers...

It's the rule of the forum, try to create a light hearted, tongue in cheek thread, it'll turn serious with much offence taken.

Try to create a serious thread, it'll be overtaken with silliness.

Only way to get a thread to stay close to initial post is to get people to talk about themselves. We love that.

Thanks for the advice, it wasn't meant to offend anyone, I'll keep my big mouth shut in future "

Please don't kowtow to the bullies. Debate what you want to, when you want to. This is an open forum and what you said was within the rules.

Bess x

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"If her hymen is still intact then technically yes."

Mine broke climbing over a fence, I still classed myself as a virgin.

So technically your saying I lost my virginity to a fence?!

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If her hymen is still intact then technically yes.

Mine broke climbing over a fence, I still classed myself as a virgin.

So technically your saying I lost my virginity to a fence?!

Mrs "

It's only kinky the first time, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are men who have only fucked people in the arse virgins too?"

In my world your a virgin until you have fucked someone up the arse

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

"If her hymen is still intact then technically yes.

Mine broke climbing over a fence, I still classed myself as a virgin.

So technically your saying I lost my virginity to a fence?!

Mrs "

Well that's different

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

If they haven't met me then they are a Hans-Virgin.

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"So today's debate at work was, If a lesbian has never been with a man is she still a virgin?

I say no, what do you guys think?

Yeah, we have wierd debates haha "

No, but it's a nice highlight of how male dominated the thinking in our society is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Conclusion, YES she shouldn't considered as a virgin, period. Sex defination from medieval era doesnt hold much ground in modern society where same sex people are indulged in debuchary.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

So, are all men virgins because their hymens haven't been broken, or are they born not virgins because they don't have an intact hymen?

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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkeston

"So, are all men virgins because their hymens haven't been broken, or are they born not virgins because they don't have an intact hymen?"

Good point and to why the hymen argument doesn’t really make much sense for virginity

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So, are all men virgins because their hymens haven't been broken, or are they born not virgins because they don't have an intact hymen?"

Obviously. Losing your virginity is a loss of purity and that's only a thing for women.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"So today's debate at work was, If a lesbian has never been with a man is she still a virgin?

I say no, what do you guys think?

Yeah, we have wierd debates haha "

If a man only ever had sex with another man, is he still a virgin?

I think not. This hymen thing is well, not relevant

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By *aggy dollsCouple
over a year ago

bradford

I love a good mass debate.

But this one has me stumped, might have to have a think.

Mr Hayes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So today's debate at work was, If a lesbian has never been with a man is she still a virgin?

I say no, what do you guys think?

Yeah, we have wierd debates haha "

My friend used to brag about her new partner being gold star lesbian heh

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I can’t tell whether you’re being serious, because if you are, then I think you need to stop having ‘debates’ at work

As a lesbian, why would I ever have to be with a man? I’m not going to have sex with a man just to lose my socially constructed virginity

The problem is how rigid people think lesbian sex. It’s often more exciting than just heterosexuality sex.

A lesbian’s virginity isn’t defined by whether or not she’s had sex with a man. Men are so self centred that they think women, especially lesbians, base their worth off them

And I don’t care if people think I’m being naggy. Why are men so obsessed with lesbians? We don’t care about you "

Brilliant

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

At what point does someone, male or female lose their virginity then? When they've received or given a blowjob? When they've fingered a female?

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By *erence IIMan
over a year ago

Irrelevant

"I can’t tell whether you’re being serious, because if you are, then I think you need to stop having ‘debates’ at work

As a lesbian, why would I ever have to be with a man? I’m not going to have sex with a man just to lose my socially constructed virginity

The problem is how rigid people think lesbian sex. It’s often more exciting than just heterosexuality sex.

A lesbian’s virginity isn’t defined by whether or not she’s had sex with a man. Men are so self centred that they think women, especially lesbians, base their worth off them

And I don’t care if people think I’m being naggy. Why are men so obsessed with lesbians? We don’t care about you

Brilliant

Except the OP isn't a man ....

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I can’t tell whether you’re being serious, because if you are, then I think you need to stop having ‘debates’ at work

As a lesbian, why would I ever have to be with a man? I’m not going to have sex with a man just to lose my socially constructed virginity

The problem is how rigid people think lesbian sex. It’s often more exciting than just heterosexuality sex.

A lesbian’s virginity isn’t defined by whether or not she’s had sex with a man. Men are so self centred that they think women, especially lesbians, base their worth off them

And I don’t care if people think I’m being naggy. Why are men so obsessed with lesbians? We don’t care about you

Brilliant

Except the OP isn't a man ...."

Are women magically immune to societal norms?

I mean I know my vagina is magic. I didn't think it was that magic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So today's debate at work was, If a lesbian has never been with a man is she still a virgin?

I say no, what do you guys think?

Yeah, we have wierd debates haha "

Obviously not.

How parochial.

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By *inda May SimmonsTV/TS
over a year ago

hexham

Oh crumbs!

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By *erence IIMan
over a year ago

Irrelevant

"I can’t tell whether you’re being serious, because if you are, then I think you need to stop having ‘debates’ at work

As a lesbian, why would I ever have to be with a man? I’m not going to have sex with a man just to lose my socially constructed virginity

The problem is how rigid people think lesbian sex. It’s often more exciting than just heterosexuality sex.

A lesbian’s virginity isn’t defined by whether or not she’s had sex with a man. Men are so self centred that they think women, especially lesbians, base their worth off them

And I don’t care if people think I’m being naggy. Why are men so obsessed with lesbians? We don’t care about you

Brilliant

Except the OP isn't a man ....

Are women magically immune to societal norms?

I mean I know my vagina is magic. I didn't think it was that magic."

Not at all, but a post ranting about men being obsessed with lesbians in reply to a woman asking about them kind of suggests the person who wrote is is as obsessed with ranting about men as she believes men are about lesbians.

Incidentally, despite having several lesbian friends through my life, one of whom used to call me her hetro hubby, I've never been obsessed or even particularly interested in the whole lesbian thing, I don't find their sex life interesting, never mind arousing and know this view is shared by many men. As is often the case, I suspect this poster is using the lazy tactic of taking sex as a way of determining the behaviour of half the population - it's a process that grates on my nerves, whichever way around it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just cause a person is lesbian doesn't mean they haven't had penetrative sex, dildo is just as good as a dick... Probably better in many cases??

I'd probably say there are different levels of virginity, like when you were wee and people would call you virgin lips cause you hadn't snogged anyone??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are men who have only fucked people in the arse virgins too?"

Brilliant??

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Well sex is sex is sex and so if you have any kind of sex ?? and all to do with the myth of the "Hymen" and yet another thing foisted on us all by the Space Monkey lot and we merrily go along with it !! it seems...lmao xxxx

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By *vmarisaTV/TS
over a year ago

Motherwell

What happens if a lesbian fucks another lesbian in the arse wearing a strap on for the first time is that them both losing their virginity lol

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