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"Did you see the interview with that last bloke?
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Whats with the 2 threads?"in fairness this thread at least mentions the program,, was only by chance i knew the other one was about the program as the title could have been about anything | |||
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"Did you see the interview with that last bloke?
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in fairness this thread at least mentions the program,, was only by chance i knew the other one was about the program as the title could have been about anything "  | |||
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"Did you see the interview with that last bloke?
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"Did you see the interview with that last bloke?
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in fairness this thread at least mentions the program,, was only by chance i knew the other one was about the program as the title could have been about anything
And your point is??? :- D"shes answering one of the posts above who said whats with the two threads wasnt against your post x  | |||
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"Yes they do deserve to die, they took a life,..... bible say's an eye for an eye....." Also says something about not killing. The worst killing is murder, premeditated, hence the death sentence. But isn't it amazing how nice decent people will queue up to push the button, pull the trigger and be totally at peace with themselves because they did it in the name of the law  | |||
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"Yes they do deserve to die, they took a life,..... bible say's an eye for an eye..... Also says something about not killing. The worst killing is murder, premeditated, hence the death sentence. But isn't it amazing how nice decent people will queue up to push the button, pull the trigger and be totally at peace with themselves because they did it in the name of the law "well said food for thought | |||
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"Yes they do deserve to die, they took a life,..... bible say's an eye for an eye....." | |||
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"Yes they do deserve to die, they took a life,..... bible say's an eye for an eye....." bible says a lot of things that certainly dont apply to modern society i imagine.. | |||
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"Yes they do deserve to die, they took a life,..... bible say's an eye for an eye..... bible says a lot of things that certainly dont apply to modern society i imagine.." Quite right, i agree with that bit though. | |||
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"Yes they do deserve to die, they took a life,..... bible say's an eye for an eye..... bible says a lot of things that certainly dont apply to modern society i imagine.. Quite right, i agree with that bit though." pik n mix then.. | |||
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"If your prepared to take someone's life then you must be prepared to give up.your own!! " Yes there are too many do gooders in this country. | |||
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"If your prepared to take someone's life then you must be prepared to give up.your own!! Yes there are too many do gooders in this country." what is your perception of a 'do gooder' if i may ask..? would like to think most people strive to do good, by their families, for themselves and their friends.. | |||
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"If your prepared to take someone's life then you must be prepared to give up.your own!! Yes there are too many do gooders in this country. what is your perception of a 'do gooder' if i may ask..? would like to think most people strive to do good, by their families, for themselves and their friends.. " and then into peoples buisness where its not wanted and they prob have no knowledge of the subject there interfering in thats a do gooder | |||
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"Its a difficult subject, but as for that last guy who slit the throat of a 3yr old ..... I could push the button myself on him. " he did seem very remorseful tho didnt he? | |||
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"Its a difficult subject, but as for that last guy who slit the throat of a 3yr old ..... I could push the button myself on him. he did seem very remorseful tho didnt he?" Made me cringe that he marked their birthdays and knew so much about them. I sometimes wonder if prison until death is more of a punishment than being executed. | |||
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"Its a difficult subject, but as for that last guy who slit the throat of a 3yr old ..... I could push the button myself on him. he did seem very remorseful tho didnt he?" Yes he did which was good although he could of been pretending to be. he was nice to his cat as well. if it was your daughter he had killed though how would you feel? | |||
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"Feel no sympathy for any of them. They are evil bastards who would do it again if they were ever released." thats a huge generalisation some of them wer 13 years old wen they killed and was just wrong place wrong time prob wouldnt offend again | |||
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"Its a difficult subject, but as for that last guy who slit the throat of a 3yr old ..... I could push the button myself on him. he did seem very remorseful tho didnt he? Yes he did which was good although he could of been pretending to be. he was nice to his cat as well. if it was your daughter he had killed though how would you feel?" of course id stick the needle in after id hung him first im just putting the questions out there seeing peoples opinions | |||
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"Feel no sympathy for any of them. They are evil bastards who would do it again if they were ever released.thats a huge generalisation some of them wer 13 years old wen they killed and was just wrong place wrong time prob wouldnt offend again " that was the case that got to me most, he was so young and had been there for 25yrs already. he had educated himself and appeared to be a pleasant man. I know ive grown and changed from a 13yr old girl into a 24yr old woman. | |||
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"Its a difficult subject, but as for that last guy who slit the throat of a 3yr old ..... I could push the button myself on him. he did seem very remorseful tho didnt he? Yes he did which was good although he could of been pretending to be. he was nice to his cat as well. if it was your daughter he had killed though how would you feel?" Ide slit the Bastards throat myself | |||
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"I dont believe in the death penalty, but i do believe that each country can have whatever rules they like. If you was a thief and was going to have your hands cut of when caught, you would no the consequences before you made the decision whether to carry on and thieve or not. People who are on death row, know before they commit the crime what will happen to them when they get caght. They take the risk and should accept their punishment" | |||
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"I prob have a bad mind, but I was a little sus about the love shown to those cats...... (you know what im thinking) ??? "i thought that to lol did u see the cat wlking funny ... like john wayne x | |||
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"Feel no sympathy for any of them. They are evil bastards who would do it again if they were ever released.thats a huge generalisation some of them wer 13 years old wen they killed and was just wrong place wrong time prob wouldnt offend again that was the case that got to me most, he was so young and had been there for 25yrs already. he had educated himself and appeared to be a pleasant man. I know ive grown and changed from a 13yr old girl into a 24yr old woman." i agree he seemed like a nice guy altho most of them did just shows u never know maybe a lesson to take forward thru life | |||
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"Feel no sympathy for any of them. They are evil bastards who would do it again if they were ever released.thats a huge generalisation some of them wer 13 years old wen they killed and was just wrong place wrong time prob wouldnt offend again that was the case that got to me most, he was so young and had been there for 25yrs already. he had educated himself and appeared to be a pleasant man. I know ive grown and changed from a 13yr old girl into a 24yr old woman.i agree he seemed like a nice guy altho most of them did just shows u never know maybe a lesson to take forward thru life "Was that the 13yr old that killed 2 old ladies by stabbing them to death for no reason.? If he had been executed 10yrs ago then it wouldnt be a point of discussion. The fact he has been in prison for 25 years and still faces execution seems to make people feel sorry for him. Maybe the point is that if someone is given the death penalty, it should be carried out within 5 years ...... ( not sure of legal reasons for not). | |||
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"If the Jill Dando case had occurred in the '50's Barry George would have been hung! There are plenty of examples of innocent people being executed, so should we not apply the 'eye for an eye' policy and hang all the people involved in the execution of Timothy Even's for example? After all, there can be no exceptions and no excuses for taking the life of another person can there?" But we dont have the death penalty over here. It was outlawed in the late 60's. yes innocent people where killed. dont think they would execute someone unless they had every fact 100%. I dont think it will ever come back in this country. But we are not responsible for what goes on in other countries such as america and china. We have a parliment to make our rules and im sure they do. If you went to dubai your hardly going to go topless on the beach. We just have to accept, rightl or wrongly that these are laws of different countries to ours | |||
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"If your prepared to take someone's life then you must be prepared to give up.your own!! Yes there are too many do gooders in this country. what is your perception of a 'do gooder' if i may ask..? would like to think most people strive to do good, by their families, for themselves and their friends.. and then into peoples buisness where its not wanted and they prob have no knowledge of the subject there interfering in thats a do gooder " so taking that to the extreme, do we if we are a 'do gooder' walk on by or cop a deaf un if we see/suspect kids or women being badly treated..? | |||
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"i think with dna now and the certainty that comes with that, i believe if u commit the crime, the horrific ones like children etc and cold blooded murder, then yes ther life should be taken. but aftr they have spent a good few years inside waiting for the day to come and we should have it back in england aswell "There's still f**k ups with DNA. There was a case this year where someone convicted was released when it was found to be unreliable. People are still being released after being wrongly convicted for murder. Only in May, a guy in London who's only 24 now was released after being spending about 7/8 years in prison. | |||
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"Its a difficult subject, but as for that last guy who slit the throat of a 3yr old ..... I could push the button myself on him. he did seem very remorseful tho didnt he? Made me cringe that he marked their birthdays and knew so much about them. I sometimes wonder if prison until death is more of a punishment than being executed. " my own prefered option, am opposed to the death penalty as it wrong on so many levels.. for such as him he should be allowed to die from within over the rest of his life.. an injection is too quick.. | |||
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"If your prepared to take someone's life then you must be prepared to give up.your own!! Yes there are too many do gooders in this country. what is your perception of a 'do gooder' if i may ask..? would like to think most people strive to do good, by their families, for themselves and their friends.. and then into peoples buisness where its not wanted and they prob have no knowledge of the subject there interfering in thats a do gooder so taking that to the extreme, do we if we are a 'do gooder' walk on by or cop a deaf un if we see/suspect kids or women being badly treated..? " a lot of 'do gooders' are misunderstood... Surely preventative action is better than doing something after the act. Its those who try to introduce preventative action who are wrongly seen as 'do gooders' | |||
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"i think with dna now and the certainty that comes with that, i believe if u commit the crime, the horrific ones like children etc and cold blooded murder, then yes ther life should be taken. but aftr they have spent a good few years inside waiting for the day to come and we should have it back in england aswell "dna is not 100%.. | |||
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"If your prepared to take someone's life then you must be prepared to give up.your own!! Yes there are too many do gooders in this country. what is your perception of a 'do gooder' if i may ask..? would like to think most people strive to do good, by their families, for themselves and their friends.. and then into peoples buisness where its not wanted and they prob have no knowledge of the subject there interfering in thats a do gooder so taking that to the extreme, do we if we are a 'do gooder' walk on by or cop a deaf un if we see/suspect kids or women being badly treated..? a lot of 'do gooders' are misunderstood... Surely preventative action is better than doing something after the act. Its those who try to introduce preventative action who are wrongly seen as 'do gooders' " yes, its a phrase loosely bandied about as is 'pc gone mad' and 'elf n safety' stops this that or the other.. gives some the excuse to not look at the issue in depth perhaps.. prevention is always better than cure.. | |||
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"i think with dna now and the certainty that comes with that, i believe if u commit the crime, the horrific ones like children etc and cold blooded murder, then yes ther life should be taken. but aftr they have spent a good few years inside waiting for the day to come and we should have it back in england aswell
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"99.999999% accurate but i agree has to be those that there is abs no doubt. there are people who are accused etc and years later found innocent. i wouldnt want innocent people put to death obviously, but these guys have admitted it mostly on the trevor programm so no doubt  | |||
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"Mmmmm I wudnt want a last meal don't think.I cud stomache it I wud want a last meet I think " | |||
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"What I don't fathom is why anyone thinks there is any justification in killing someone else! Try reading up on Albert Pierrepoint, then ask yourself the question, would you want Albert Pierrepoint as your dad, brother, husband etc. Seems to me that the executioner is just the top of the tree of humans who want to kill other humans... the sickest of the lot!!! Why don't we hang the hangman for hanging an innocent person? Well it wasn't his fault, the Judge ordered him to do it. Why don't we hang the Judge? Wasn't his fault, the jury found the person guilty. Why don't we hang the jury? Wasn't their fault, they acted on information supplied. Why don't we hang the suppliers of the information?... just keep going for long enough and you'll run out of excuses and run out of people to blame but we still end up with an innocent person killed with intent by fellow humans... funny how this starts out as an unspeakable murder only to be repeated but with acceptable excuses!" did u watch the programm yest as it had the executioner on ther a normal family man diddt seem the sort that relished taking a life as a job tbh | |||
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"What I don't fathom is why anyone thinks there is any justification in killing someone else! Try reading up on Albert Pierrepoint, then ask yourself the question, would you want Albert Pierrepoint as your dad, brother, husband etc. Seems to me that the executioner is just the top of the tree of humans who want to kill other humans... the sickest of the lot!!! Why don't we hang the hangman for hanging an innocent person? Well it wasn't his fault, the Judge ordered him to do it. Why don't we hang the Judge? Wasn't his fault, the jury found the person guilty. Why don't we hang the jury? Wasn't their fault, they acted on information supplied. Why don't we hang the suppliers of the information?... just keep going for long enough and you'll run out of excuses and run out of people to blame but we still end up with an innocent person killed with intent by fellow humans... funny how this starts out as an unspeakable murder only to be repeated but with acceptable excuses!" And if it was your daughter who was abused and then murdered, would you feel the same. ( being devils advocate ) | |||
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"What I don't fathom is why anyone thinks there is any justification in killing someone else! Try reading up on Albert Pierrepoint, then ask yourself the question, would you want Albert Pierrepoint as your dad, brother, husband etc. Seems to me that the executioner is just the top of the tree of humans who want to kill other humans... the sickest of the lot!!! Why don't we hang the hangman for hanging an innocent person? Well it wasn't his fault, the Judge ordered him to do it. Why don't we hang the Judge? Wasn't his fault, the jury found the person guilty. Why don't we hang the jury? Wasn't their fault, they acted on information supplied. Why don't we hang the suppliers of the information?... just keep going for long enough and you'll run out of excuses and run out of people to blame but we still end up with an innocent person killed with intent by fellow humans... funny how this starts out as an unspeakable murder only to be repeated but with acceptable excuses! And if it was your daughter who was abused and then murdered, would you feel the same. ( being devils advocate ) " | |||
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"did u watch the programm yest as it had the executioner on ther a normal family man diddt seem the sort that relished taking a life as a job tbh "Yes I did watch the program, that's partly why I made the comment about Pierrepoint. I cannot begin to imagine why anyone would want the job! We're all horrified when a person kills another person, its called 'murder'! It would seem that the murderer at the time believes it to be the right thing to do at the time, or they feel forced by way of it being the only thing to do at the time. If taking the life of another person is wrong then there cannot be any exceptions. The executioner, I cannot fathom, to my mind they are as bad if not worse than the folks they are killing! | |||
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"I cant understand how they are allowed to have a cat ......being a total cat fanatic....why does a cat have to be tied up 24/7 just to keep them sad fuckers company. Thats just cruelty " being tied up is probably the least of the cats worrys | |||
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"did u watch the programm yest as it had the executioner on ther a normal family man diddt seem the sort that relished taking a life as a job tbh
Yes I did watch the program, that's partly why I made the comment about Pierrepoint. I cannot begin to imagine why anyone would want the job! We're all horrified when a person kills another person, its called 'murder'! It would seem that the murderer at the time believes it to be the right thing to do at the time, or they feel forced by way of it being the only thing to do at the time.
If taking the life of another person is wrong then there cannot be any exceptions. The executioner, I cannot fathom, to my mind they are as bad if not worse than the folks they are killing!"good point, i suppose if it was done buy machine some one still has to do the button pushing so to speak. maybe its not right, but i think that those that do thease crimes, probably do deserve to die. could i do the job sitting here i think maybe i could, wen it came down to it probably not, especialy if u get to know the people like he did, almost friendly seems a tad odd i have to say . | |||
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"We're all horrified when a person kills another person, its called 'murder'! It would seem that the murderer at the time believes it to be the right thing to do at the time, or they feel forced by way of it being the only thing to do at the time. If taking the life of another person is wrong then there cannot be any exceptions. The executioner, I cannot fathom, to my mind they are as bad if not worse than the folks they are killing!" Murder is 'unlawful' killing. So therefore as the executioner is acting inside the law it cannot be described as murder. He is doing his job. The fact is that his job involves administering a drug to end someones life. The people on Death Row are heavyweights, child murderers and multiple murderers, way beyond rehabilitation. My view is that 'putting them to sleep' ( they are not beheaded or electrocuted ! ) is a welcome release both for them and for the families of the vicitms who live knowing that they are still breathing the same air. | |||
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"I cant understand how they are allowed to have a cat ......being a total cat fanatic....why does a cat have to be tied up 24/7 just to keep them sad fuckers company. Thats just cruelty " The cats did look happy though and i bet a lot of cats dont get as much attention as what they do. | |||
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"I cant understand how they are allowed to have a cat ......being a total cat fanatic....why does a cat have to be tied up 24/7 just to keep them sad fuckers company. Thats just cruelty The cats did look happy though and i bet a lot of cats dont get as much attention as what they do." a little too happy | |||
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"We're all horrified when a person kills another person, its called 'murder'! It would seem that the murderer at the time believes it to be the right thing to do at the time, or they feel forced by way of it being the only thing to do at the time. If taking the life of another person is wrong then there cannot be any exceptions. The executioner, I cannot fathom, to my mind they are as bad if not worse than the folks they are killing! Murder is 'unlawful' killing. So therefore as the executioner is acting inside the law it cannot be described as murder. He is doing his job. The fact is that his job involves administering a drug to end someones life. The people on Death Row are heavyweights, child murderers and multiple murderers, way beyond rehabilitation. My view is that 'putting them to sleep' ( they are not beheaded or electrocuted ! ) is a welcome release both for them and for the families of the vicitms who live knowing that they are still breathing the same air. " well said hun | |||
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"good point, i suppose if it was done buy machine some one still has to do the button pushing so to speak. maybe its not right, but i think that those that do thease crimes, probably do deserve to die. could i do the job sitting here i think maybe i could, wen it came down to it probably not, especialy if u get to know the people like he did, almost friendly seems a tad odd i have to say . "I'm with you all the way there. It also begs the question, how many of the people in the society that demands/supports the death penalty would be prepared to do the job themselves? Remove the death penalty and we don't need an executioner, then we don't create monsters like Albert Pierrepoint or the 'perfectly normal family man' in the program in question! | |||
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"good point, i suppose if it was done buy machine some one still has to do the button pushing so to speak. maybe its not right, but i think that those that do thease crimes, probably do deserve to die. could i do the job sitting here i think maybe i could, wen it came down to it probably not, especialy if u get to know the people like he did, almost friendly seems a tad odd i have to say .
I'm with you all the way there. It also begs the question, how many of the people in the society that demands/supports the death penalty would be prepared to do the job themselves? Remove the death penalty and we don't need an executioner, then we don't create monsters like Albert Pierrepoint or the 'perfectly normal family man' in the program in question!"have u seen the film the green mile when that guy got off on wanting to do the executing so yes there would be a minority that in a sick way enjoyed the job | |||
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"good point, i suppose if it was done buy machine some one still has to do the button pushing so to speak. maybe its not right, but i think that those that do thease crimes, probably do deserve to die. could i do the job sitting here i think maybe i could, wen it came down to it probably not, especialy if u get to know the people like he did, almost friendly seems a tad odd i have to say .
I'm with you all the way there. It also begs the question, how many of the people in the society that demands/supports the death penalty would be prepared to do the job themselves? Remove the death penalty and we don't need an executioner, then we don't create monsters like Albert Pierrepoint or the 'perfectly normal family man' in the program in question!have u seen the film the green mile when that guy got off on wanting to do the executing so yes there would be a minority that in a sick way enjoyed the job "ahh but now you are changing the debate to 'what is the humane way to do it' rather than 'should it happen at all' | |||
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" ahh but now you are changing the debate to 'what is the humane way to do it' rather than 'should it happen at all' "The simplistic answer to that is... execution is inhumane, therefor there is no humane solution | |||
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" ahh but now you are changing the debate to 'what is the humane way to do it' rather than 'should it happen at all'
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"good point, i suppose if it was done buy machine some one still has to do the button pushing so to speak. maybe its not right, but i think that those that do thease crimes, probably do deserve to die. could i do the job sitting here i think maybe i could, wen it came down to it probably not, especialy if u get to know the people like he did, almost friendly seems a tad odd i have to say .
I'm with you all the way there. It also begs the question, how many of the people in the society that demands/supports the death penalty would be prepared to do the job themselves? Remove the death penalty and we don't need an executioner, then we don't create monsters like Albert Pierrepoint or the 'perfectly normal family man' in the program in question!have u seen the film the green mile when that guy got off on wanting to do the executing so yes there would be a minority that in a sick way enjoyed the job
ahh but now you are changing the debate to 'what is the humane way to do it' rather than 'should it happen at all' "these threads do take different paths, but my opinion is the death penalty in the correct circumstance 100% certain they did the crime should die | |||
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" ahh but now you are changing the debate to 'what is the humane way to do it' rather than 'should it happen at all' these threads do take different paths, but my opinion is the death penalty in the correct circumstance 100% certain they did the crime should die "Ive worked for years in 'rehabilitation' ..... do I believe in it???? I believe in prevention rather than cure. I belive that those who murder horribly in cold blood, premediated, can never be truly rehabilitated, I believe in the death penalty. Could I administer the drug, no. | |||
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" ahh but now you are changing the debate to 'what is the humane way to do it' rather than 'should it happen at all' these threads do take different paths, but my opinion is the death penalty in the correct circumstance 100% certain they did the crime should die
Ive worked for years in 'rehabilitation' ..... do I believe in it???? I believe in prevention rather than cure.
I belive that those who murder horribly in cold blood, premediated, can never be truly rehabilitated, I believe in the death penalty. Could I administer the drug, no. "interesting xx | |||
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"The state says it's wrong to kill yet the state does it .....???" its wrong to kill un lawfully as was posted earlier, to execute is done within the law right or wrong its not murder | |||
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" but my opinion is the death penalty in the correct circumstance 100% certain they did the crime should die "trouble is for every so many who are 100% bang to rights, there will be another innocent person found guilty.. history is littered with examples.. so do we say oh yeh but we did x amount of really vile scumbag murderers so the odd one is acceptable..? taking the life of one 'Stephan Kizko' is not worth it.. they are yours and mine brothers, son, father or friend.. cant bring them back and say sorry.. | |||
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"the Kizko case was 1975 ish. Im sure that forensics etc have moved on in leaps and bounds since then. Saying sorry to him and releasing him gave him 1 year of freedom before he died. If he had been executed then yes it would of been a misjustice, but the poor guy suffered so much anyway by serving 16years in prison for a crime he didnt commit. The death penalty is given to those who 'without a doubt' have commited terrible crime. " | |||
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"Would be really interesting to ask 'lifers' (the ones who have been given o,ver 100 year sentences) if they would choose humane execution over staying in prison until they die. Just a thought.... " i wonder... from that trevor doc, some of them seemed sort of scared about the final days , so i would think prob stay in prison as they seemed to have made it home didnt they x | |||
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"Would be really interesting to ask 'lifers' (the ones who have been given o,ver 100 year sentences) if they would choose humane execution over staying in prison until they die. Just a thought.... i wonder... from that trevor doc, some of them seemed sort of scared about the final days , so i would think prob stay in prison as they seemed to have made it home didnt they x" Yes, the guys in the little 'cubicles' seemed settled there and were serving sentences of hundreds of years ..... I guess its hard to imagine if its not actually happening to you | |||
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"The state says it's wrong to kill yet the state does it .....???its wrong to kill un lawfully as was posted earlier, to execute is done within the law right or wrong its not murder "Sorry - don't get it. Killing is killing whether lawful or unlawful. Call it execution if you wish but the end result is the same. An eye for an eye etc .......? how desperately sad that civilisation does not appear to have moved on from biblical times . | |||
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"The state says it's wrong to kill yet the state does it .....???its wrong to kill un lawfully as was posted earlier, to execute is done within the law right or wrong its not murder
Sorry - don't get it. Killing is killing whether lawful or unlawful. Call it execution if you wish but the
end result is the same. An eye for an eye etc .......? how desperately sad that civilisation does not appear to have moved on from biblical times ."I understand what you are saying, killing is killing I agree. But, surely in some circumstances killing is justified ( like we justify killing a sheep for food but go mad when we think we may of eaten a horse) If a man killed my child by slitting her throat for no reason at all, then in my eyes he deserves to die. His death will be humane, measured, controlled, and with more consideration than he gave his victim. | |||
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"the Kizko case was 1975 ish. Im sure that forensics etc have moved on in leaps and bounds since then. Saying sorry to him and releasing him gave him 1 year of freedom before he died. If he had been executed then yes it would of been a misjustice, but the poor guy suffered so much anyway by serving 16years in prison for a crime he didnt commit. The death penalty is given to those who 'without a doubt' have commited terrible crime. " fact remains had the death penalty been in place he may have had his life taken by the state during the 16 yrs he was inside.. there are hundreds if not thousands of cases where innocent people have later been pardoned for a myriad of reasons.. his case was not about forensics per se.. incompetence played a large part in it, and that will never be ironed out by progress.. | |||
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"the Kizko case was 1975 ish. Im sure that forensics etc have moved on in leaps and bounds since then. Saying sorry to him and releasing him gave him 1 year of freedom before he died. If he had been executed then yes it would of been a misjustice, but the poor guy suffered so much anyway by serving 16years in prison for a crime he didnt commit. The death penalty is given to those who 'without a doubt' have commited terrible crime. fact remains had the death penalty been in place he may have had his life taken by the state during the 16 yrs he was inside.. there are hundreds if not thousands of cases where innocent people have later been pardoned for a myriad of reasons.. his case was not about forensics per se.. incompetence played a large part in it, and that will never be ironed out by progress.. " I agree, but the inmates on death row have been there for many years, and admit freely to their horrific crimes. This country does not still give the death penalty, I doubt it will ever return here. I dont want to mention specific cases but suffice to say that if it did come back here, I wonder how bad a murder would have to be in order for a court to impose it. If the cold hearted killing of a child in barbaric circumstances results in a short prison stay, what would justify a death sentence here. | |||
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"the Kizko case was 1975 ish. Im sure that forensics etc have moved on in leaps and bounds since then. Saying sorry to him and releasing him gave him 1 year of freedom before he died. If he had been executed then yes it would of been a misjustice, but the poor guy suffered so much anyway by serving 16years in prison for a crime he didnt commit. The death penalty is given to those who 'without a doubt' have commited terrible crime. fact remains had the death penalty been in place he may have had his life taken by the state during the 16 yrs he was inside.. there are hundreds if not thousands of cases where innocent people have later been pardoned for a myriad of reasons.. his case was not about forensics per se.. incompetence played a large part in it, and that will never be ironed out by progress.. I agree, but the inmates on death row have been there for many years, and admit freely to their horrific crimes. This country does not still give the death penalty, I doubt it will ever return here. I dont want to mention specific cases but suffice to say that if it did come back here, I wonder how bad a murder would have to be in order for a court to impose it. If the cold hearted killing of a child in barbaric circumstances results in a short prison stay, what would justify a death sentence here. " would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now  | |||
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"I understand what you are saying here and I would be lying if I said I wouldn't feel the same way if one of my loved ones was brutally murdered, but given the opportunity to flick the switch, pull the lever or administer the poison to the perpetrator, could I do it ? If I did - especially in a controlled premeditated circumstance - that makes me equally evil doesn't it ? " Thats why they employ someone who's job it is to administer the execution. A true professional ( the guy on the TV show ) and family man who also had a sense of justice and compassion for the victims. You or I just wouldnt get thru the interview lol | |||
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"I understand what you are saying here and I would be lying if I said I wouldn't feel the same way if one of my loved ones was brutally murdered, but given the opportunity to flick the switch, pull the lever or administer the poison to the perpetrator, could I do it ? If I did - especially in a controlled premeditated circumstance - that makes me equally evil doesn't it ? Thats why they employ someone who's job it is to administer the execution. A true professional ( the guy on the TV show ) and family man who also had a sense of justice and compassion for the victims. You or I just wouldnt get thru the interview lol " i agree yet some on here still say he must be warped somehow i thought he came over very well and was doing what prob is a very hard thing to do and doing with compassion as u say x | |||
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"would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now "with respect that is offensive.... are you referring to the economic state perhaps..? the state of the roads...? if you dont like that word how about being more definitive in what you do mean..? | |||
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"Revisiting the OP's original question, do they deserve to die, it would seem that in a lot of cases the death penalty is too good for them but that's vengeance talking. But isn't the death sentence, indeed any sentence supposed to be about deterrent, correction, rehabilitation, and protecting the public? The upshot of it all is, it doesn't matter what any of us say about it... it doesn't work, it never has worked, and it never will work. Whatever anyone might think about the so-called Do-good-ers maybe some of them at least deserve some credit for trying something different? " | |||
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"would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now
with respect that is offensive....
are you referring to the economic state perhaps..?
the state of the roads...?
if you dont like that word how about being more definitive in what you do mean..?"not trying to offend but i think u know idont mean the state of the roads etc the mollycoddling of prisoners, rape, kill and expect 10years and be out in sometimes a good few less than that , get tv, pool tables and privileges u shouldnt have because people think its there human rite they give up rites wen they commit thease terrible offenses giv them counsiling rehabilitate thats all BS thease people cant be helped most of the time and should be put down im afraid | |||
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"would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now
with respect that is offensive....
are you referring to the economic state perhaps..?
the state of the roads...?
if you dont like that word how about being more definitive in what you do mean..?not trying to offend but i think u know idont mean the state of the roads etc the mollycoddling of prisoners, rape, kill and expect 10years and be out in sometimes a good few less than that , get tv, pool tables and privileges u shouldnt have because people think its there human rite they give up rites wen they commit thease terrible offenses giv them counsiling rehabilitate thats all BS thease people cant be helped most of the time and should be put down im afraid "You are talking about the guys on death row aren't you? | |||
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"would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now
with respect that is offensive....
are you referring to the economic state perhaps..?
the state of the roads...?
if you dont like that word how about being more definitive in what you do mean..?not trying to offend but i think u know idont mean the state of the roads etc the mollycoddling of prisoners, rape, kill and expect 10years and be out in sometimes a good few less than that , get tv, pool tables and privileges u shouldnt have because people think its there human rite they give up rites wen they commit thease terrible offenses giv them counsiling rehabilitate thats all BS thease people cant be helped most of the time and should be put down im afraid
You are talking about the guys on death row aren't you? "was answering surreysensual above hun with reguard to death penalties coming back to here or not and do gooders etc | |||
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"would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now
with respect that is offensive....
are you referring to the economic state perhaps..?
the state of the roads...?
if you dont like that word how about being more definitive in what you do mean..?not trying to offend but i think u know idont mean the state of the roads etc the mollycoddling of prisoners, rape, kill and expect 10years and be out in sometimes a good few less than that , get tv, pool tables and privileges u shouldnt have because people think its there human rite they give up rites wen they commit thease terrible offenses giv them counsiling rehabilitate thats all BS thease people cant be helped most of the time and should be put down im afraid "so one minute the dogooders are responsible for the state of the country and yes i knew you didnt mean the economy.. then again your giving thumbs up for another post where someone refers to do gooders as trying a different approach,, and then your on about no rehabilitation and putting them down.. btw not offended more confused.. yes we can debate whether being inside is too cosy, too many priveledges etc.. but what sets us apart from some countries is that by and large we maintain human rights for those that have committed crime, and that has to be something we dont ever stop doing.. that is a slippery slope we would not wish to go down.. cos then we are like other countries where someone knocks on your door in the night and your gone for many reasons.. rehabilitation and other interventions are better than a revolving door where the bad guys dont see any future in changing their ways.. | |||
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"would never return here, due to people like wht have posted on this very post. dont like the word do gooder but this country is full of them and it has alot to do with the state its in now
with respect that is offensive....
are you referring to the economic state perhaps..?
the state of the roads...?
if you dont like that word how about being more definitive in what you do mean..?not trying to offend but i think u know idont mean the state of the roads etc the mollycoddling of prisoners, rape, kill and expect 10years and be out in sometimes a good few less than that , get tv, pool tables and privileges u shouldnt have because people think its there human rite they give up rites wen they commit thease terrible offenses giv them counsiling rehabilitate thats all BS thease people cant be helped most of the time and should be put down im afraid
so one minute the dogooders are responsible for the state of the country and yes i knew you didnt mean the economy..
then again your giving thumbs up for another post where someone refers to do gooders as trying a different approach,,
and then your on about no rehabilitation and putting them down..
btw not offended more confused..
yes we can debate whether being inside is too cosy, too many priveledges etc..
but what sets us apart from some countries is that by and large we maintain human rights for those that have committed crime, and that has to be something we dont ever stop doing..
that is a slippery slope we would not wish to go down..
cos then we are like other countries where someone knocks on your door in the night and your gone for many reasons..
rehabilitation and other interventions are better than a revolving door where the bad guys dont see any future in changing their ways.."i have my opinions, but i thumbs up to some posts even yours, which it probably was, because i also am interested in others opinions. im not saying yours is wrong and mine is right, at the end of the day its just chat and i respect your threads, it makes the debate interesting im not trying to offend just drawing peoples thoughts x | |||
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" rehabilitation and other interventions are better than a revolving door where the bad guys dont see any future in changing their ways.."
We need to try and set aside, vengeance, punishment, retribution and anger. What's needed is a preventative solution rather than persisting with measure that do not work. Having said that I've no idea what the solution is | |||
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"i have my opinions, but i thumbs up to some posts even yours, which it probably was, because i also am interested in others opinions. im not saying yours is wrong and mine is right, at the end of the day its just chat and i respect your threads, it makes the debate interesting im not trying to offend just drawing peoples thoughts x "as i said not offended, open debate is healthy.. | |||
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"So, is the death sentence a deterrent??? If we had it, would it reduce violent murders? "i think it would obviously if the people rae mentaly gone prob not but thease roberies that end in the old lady being killed 4 10 pound and people planning to kill i think may think twice i kow i would but i guess im not in that mind set to kill | |||
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"So, is the death sentence a deterrent??? If we had it, would it reduce violent murders? "who knows..? look at the countries that have it, they still have high murder rates apart from China and maybe Iran.. | |||
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" rehabilitation and other interventions are better than a revolving door where the bad guys dont see any future in changing their ways..
We need to try and set aside, vengeance, punishment, retribution and anger. What's needed is a preventative solution rather than persisting with measure that do not work. Having said that I've no idea what the solution is "cold hard cash is needed and thats not going to be forthcoming for the forseeable future.. and i think its also more of a social issue, some of the people inside have mental health issues and need treatment.. again thats funding to a point.. | |||
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"So, is the death sentence a deterrent??? If we had it, would it reduce violent murders?
who knows..?
look at the countries that have it, they still have high murder rates apart from China and maybe Iran.."i guess its not working very well in america, as theres so many shootings and killings,which go on. altho i dont know the stats 4 the states that still hold the death penalty, if its working or not as its not country wide is it? | |||
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"So, is the death sentence a deterrent??? If we had it, would it reduce violent murders?
who knows..?
look at the countries that have it, they still have high murder rates apart from China and maybe Iran.. i guess its not working very well in america, as theres so many shootings and killings,which go on. altho i dont know the stats 4 the states that still hold the death penalty, if its working or not as its not country wide is it?"true, be an interesting comparison between similar states to see how their muder rates etc compare.. where Lickety when we need her...  | |||
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" cold hard cash is needed and thats not going to be forthcoming for the forseeable future.. and i think its also more of a social issue, some of the people inside have mental health issues and need treatment.. again thats funding to a point.. " I've been resisting poking my finger at society but can't help thinking that society must be to blame. Can anyone who kills be considered sane? | |||
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"If you look at the Texas department of criminal justice website it tells you what every executed prisoners last 'statement' was. Some are apologetic, others are really evil. A great bedtime read "stuff that, will have to sleep with the lights on... | |||
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"If you look at the Texas department of criminal justice website it tells you what every executed prisoners last 'statement' was. Some are apologetic, others are really evil. A great bedtime read
stuff that, will have to sleep with the lights on...
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"Do you think if it was still in operation here that our crime rate would be lower? If people knew that the consequences of deliberately going out and murdering someone would be execution, do you think it would stop them? I believe it would deter some, but many have mental health issues that would not allow them to fully appreciate the consequences." the UK serious crime rate has been falling for several years now, The US has several States where the Death Penalty is enacted and all have a higher murder rate than the UK per capita. The death penalty does not work as a deterrent so is no more than vengeance and should not be re introduced for that very reason . Also, it isn't even cost effective as in the US to execute a 20yr old male costs around $5.5 million whereas imprisoning him for the rest of his life costs around $2.5 million. | |||
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"I found the information your were referring to on the Texas Justice site. What I did was read the 'Last Statement' FIRST, and then try and imagine the person for a few moments... Start thinking 'poor bloke'. Then read the 'Offence Information', 'poor bloke' soon turns to something quite different. " True, when you weigh it up, sometimes you just cant help but wonder 'why'? | |||
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"Do you think if it was still in operation here that our crime rate would be lower? If people knew that the consequences of deliberately going out and murdering someone would be execution, do you think it would stop them? I believe it would deter some, but many have mental health issues that would not allow them to fully appreciate the consequences. the UK serious crime rate has been falling for several years now, The US has several States where the Death Penalty is enacted and all have a higher murder rate than the UK per capita. The death penalty does not work as a deterrent so is no more than vengeance and should not be re introduced for that very reason . Also, it isn't even cost effective as in the US to execute a 20yr old male costs around $5.5 million whereas imprisoning him for the rest of his life costs around $2.5 million." Genuine question - what eats up the $3 million more that it takes to execute someone rather than life imprisonment. My second point would be that I really hate comparing our murder figures with the USA, mainly becuase their gun / weapons laws are so different to ours. | |||
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"Do you think if it was still in operation here that our crime rate would be lower? If people knew that the consequences of deliberately going out and murdering someone would be execution, do you think it would stop them? I believe it would deter some, but many have mental health issues that would not allow them to fully appreciate the consequences. the UK serious crime rate has been falling for several years now, The US has several States where the Death Penalty is enacted and all have a higher murder rate than the UK per capita. The death penalty does not work as a deterrent so is no more than vengeance and should not be re introduced for that very reason . Also, it isn't even cost effective as in the US to execute a 20yr old male costs around $5.5 million whereas imprisoning him for the rest of his life costs around $2.5 million." HOW CAN IT POS COST 5.5MILLION to sit someone in a chair and put a needle in there arm wher does that money go | |||
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"Do you think if it was still in operation here that our crime rate would be lower? If people knew that the consequences of deliberately going out and murdering someone would be execution, do you think it would stop them? I believe it would deter some, but many have mental health issues that would not allow them to fully appreciate the consequences. the UK serious crime rate has been falling for several years now, The US has several States where the Death Penalty is enacted and all have a higher murder rate than the UK per capita. The death penalty does not work as a deterrent so is no more than vengeance and should not be re introduced for that very reason . Also, it isn't even cost effective as in the US to execute a 20yr old male costs around $5.5 million whereas imprisoning him for the rest of his life costs around $2.5 million.HOW CAN IT POS COST 5.5MILLION to sit someone in a chair and put a needle in there arm wher does that money go" Simple answer - lawyers. a condemned prisoner has the right to x number of appeals all the way the supreme court, that all costs money. | |||
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