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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The Pentagon is lifting its ban on women serving in combat, opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions to women against a backdrop of opposition claiming females on the front-line could create added problems and reduce unit effectiveness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh thank god for that. I thought this was a thread about flea and tick treatments. And I didn't think the ladies here were quite that far gone.

Yet

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"Oh thank god for that. I thought this was a thread about flea and tick treatments. And I didn't think the ladies here were quite that far gone.

Yet "

I dont see why women cant be on the front line. My dad argues its due to men would be more likely to dive in front of a female colleague rather than a male one.

Im a bit ignorant on this, but are female troops allowed off camp and go on exercises where they could face danger? If so whats the difference in having them do that and being on the front line?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know there was a lot of criticism fro mthe press of women serving on the front line, personally I can't see a problem with them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh thank god for that. I thought this was a thread about flea and tick treatments. And I didn't think the ladies here were quite that far gone.

Yet

I dont see why women cant be on the front line. My dad argues its due to men would be more likely to dive in front of a female colleague rather than a male one.

Im a bit ignorant on this, but are female troops allowed off camp and go on exercises where they could face danger? If so whats the difference in having them do that and being on the front line?"

One of the concerns raised was although some women can achieve the same levels of physical fitness as their male counterparts, a lot of female military personnel have been shown unable too match the levels attained by males, therefore its been suggested they might not be as effective in certain combat situations thus potentially endangering themselves and their comrades....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be remarkable to see women serve on the frontline. Where in the 21st Century, the boundaries between the abilities of women and men is becoming so small, I thinks it's about time we treat women as equals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

infantry with pmt. the taliban are fucked

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"Oh thank god for that. I thought this was a thread about flea and tick treatments. And I didn't think the ladies here were quite that far gone.

Yet

I dont see why women cant be on the front line. My dad argues its due to men would be more likely to dive in front of a female colleague rather than a male one.

Im a bit ignorant on this, but are female troops allowed off camp and go on exercises where they could face danger? If so whats the difference in having them do that and being on the front line?

One of the concerns raised was although some women can achieve the same levels of physical fitness as their male counterparts, a lot of female military personnel have been shown unable too match the levels attained by males, therefore its been suggested they might not be as effective in certain combat situations thus potentially endangering themselves and their comrades.... "

Thanks Soxy.

But what about those exceptional females?

Call me silly, but surely its better having the BEST person for the job rather than any Tom, Dick or Freda just because of their gender.

For example, I'd prefer a Fatima Whitbread kind of woman on the front line rather than a Mo Farra kind of man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren't women more genetically predisposed to nurture rather than destroy? If so I can see how that may possibly cause problems

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"Aren't women more genetically predisposed to nurture rather than destroy? If so I can see how that may possibly cause problems"

Not all women same as not all men are typical hunter gatherer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh thank god for that. I thought this was a thread about flea and tick treatments. And I didn't think the ladies here were quite that far gone.

Yet

I dont see why women cant be on the front line. My dad argues its due to men would be more likely to dive in front of a female colleague rather than a male one.

Im a bit ignorant on this, but are female troops allowed off camp and go on exercises where they could face danger? If so whats the difference in having them do that and being on the front line?

One of the concerns raised was although some women can achieve the same levels of physical fitness as their male counterparts, a lot of female military personnel have been shown unable too match the levels attained by males, therefore its been suggested they might not be as effective in certain combat situations thus potentially endangering themselves and their comrades....

Thanks Soxy.

But what about those exceptional females?

Call me silly, but surely its better having the BEST person for the job rather than any Tom, Dick or Freda just because of their gender.

For example, I'd prefer a Fatima Whitbread kind of woman on the front line rather than a Mo Farra kind of man."

I totally agree it should be on merit... there seems no basis to exclude anyone who can match the levels of fitness presently required…

However there has been some suggestion that the present required fitness levels should be reduced to accommodate females who can’t match the males…

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"

Call me silly, but surely its better having the BEST person for the job rather than any Tom, Dick or Freda just because of their gender.

For example, I'd prefer a Fatima Whitbread kind of woman on the front line rather than a Mo Farra kind of man.

I totally agree it should be on merit... there seems no basis to exclude anyone who can match the levels of fitness presently required…

However there has been some suggestion that the present required fitness levels should be reduced to accommodate females who can’t match the males…

"

Now THAT is silly.

Yeah lets weaken our front line so we can be all PC.

Numpties

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

I serverd in bosnia 1st gulf war n ireland.. n all i can say is that i had some guys i served with that i wouldnt trust but women on the otherhand are safer in all aspects of soldiering

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Historically, women have served on the front line, and they do so in a number of other countries.

The specious arguments against it are the last vestiges of sexism.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Historically, women have served on the front line, and they do so in a number of other countries.

The specious arguments against it are the last vestiges of sexism."

Yes ,I’m sure there are plenty misogynists who simply object just out of sexist principles….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What? They're allowed out of the kitchen and allowed to use guns?

Oh fuck this. I'm hiding in the woods.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What? They're allowed out of the kitchen and allowed to use guns?

Oh fuck this. I'm hiding in the woods.

"

So laughing right now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"infantry with pmt. the taliban are fucked "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, if a woman can do the job as good as the man then they should be allowed that choice. And vice versa!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What? They're allowed out of the kitchen and allowed to use guns?

Oh fuck this. I'm hiding in the woods.

So laughing right now "

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

From a purely biological viewpoint, I think there will be a "line" drawn in the sand, and those women that fail to cross the line will not be allowed to serve "on the front line".

If you look at the world records for strength, power, speed etc, women lag behind men, and always will, so physically at least there is a disparity.

Having served with women for many years, I don't doubt their abilities to do the job.... most of the time.

But when you have no sleep for days on end, carrying the large loads necessary for combat operations, fighting for hours at a time with little or no respite, women tend to be the ones who go down with injuries, exhaustion or, in a small number of cases, a lack of "balls" for want of a better word.

Its true, that guys go down too, but the percentage is lower compared to the ladies, and the point at which they fail is usually later.

Bottom line....

Picture the scene, its the front line, and things go tits up, and the fighting goes close quarter, "hand to hand". It's brutal, bloody, deadly, physical and your only chance of survival is if everyone in your section closes with, and kills the enemy "one-on-one", eyeball to eyeball, with fists, bayonets, boots and "balls"... a "mark one kill" as its known, the worst kind of "up close and personal" fighting.

Given the choice of a section made up of all guys, and one where there were one or two women in, I know which one I would pick.

Thinking back, of all the women I have met in the Armed Forces, I can think of only two who might have survived the above.

One was a female RMP, who was always the first one into a bar fight to break it up by out-asskicking the guys... and the other was a PTI who was built like a female shot-putter but was fitter than pretty much any guy I knew, and was physically capable of breaking most guys in half.

Although they say there will be females on the front line, I think ultimately there will only be a few, many will not cross that imaginary line in the sand.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From a purely biological viewpoint, I think there will be a "line" drawn in the sand, and those women that fail to cross the line will not be allowed to serve "on the front line".

If you look at the world records for strength, power, speed etc, women lag behind men, and always will, so physically at least there is a disparity.

Having served with women for many years, I don't doubt their abilities to do the job.... most of the time.

But when you have no sleep for days on end, carrying the large loads necessary for combat operations, fighting for hours at a time with little or no respite, women tend to be the ones who go down with injuries, exhaustion or, in a small number of cases, a lack of "balls" for want of a better word.

Its true, that guys go down too, but the percentage is lower compared to the ladies, and the point at which they fail is usually later.

Bottom line....

Picture the scene, its the front line, and things go tits up, and the fighting goes close quarter, "hand to hand". It's brutal, bloody, deadly, physical and your only chance of survival is if everyone in your section closes with, and kills the enemy "one-on-one", eyeball to eyeball, with fists, bayonets, boots and "balls"... a "mark one kill" as its known, the worst kind of "up close and personal" fighting.

Given the choice of a section made up of all guys, and one where there were one or two women in, I know which one I would pick.

Thinking back, of all the women I have met in the Armed Forces, I can think of only two who might have survived the above.

One was a female RMP, who was always the first one into a bar fight to break it up by out-asskicking the guys... and the other was a PTI who was built like a female shot-putter but was fitter than pretty much any guy I knew, and was physically capable of breaking most guys in half.

Although they say there will be females on the front line, I think ultimately there will only be a few, many will not cross that imaginary line in the sand.

"

That’s a very insightful perspective and certainly delivers an objective view,,…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From a purely biological viewpoint, I think there will be a "line" drawn in the sand, and those women that fail to cross the line will not be allowed to serve "on the front line".

If you look at the world records for strength, power, speed etc, women lag behind men, and always will, so physically at least there is a disparity.

Having served with women for many years, I don't doubt their abilities to do the job.... most of the time.

But when you have no sleep for days on end, carrying the large loads necessary for combat operations, fighting for hours at a time with little or no respite, women tend to be the ones who go down with injuries, exhaustion or, in a small number of cases, a lack of "balls" for want of a better word.

Its true, that guys go down too, but the percentage is lower compared to the ladies, and the point at which they fail is usually later.

Bottom line....

Picture the scene, its the front line, and things go tits up, and the fighting goes close quarter, "hand to hand". It's brutal, bloody, deadly, physical and your only chance of survival is if everyone in your section closes with, and kills the enemy "one-on-one", eyeball to eyeball, with fists, bayonets, boots and "balls"... a "mark one kill" as its known, the worst kind of "up close and personal" fighting.

Given the choice of a section made up of all guys, and one where there were one or two women in, I know which one I would pick.

Thinking back, of all the women I have met in the Armed Forces, I can think of only two who might have survived the above.

One was a female RMP, who was always the first one into a bar fight to break it up by out-asskicking the guys... and the other was a PTI who was built like a female shot-putter but was fitter than pretty much any guy I knew, and was physically capable of breaking most guys in half.

Although they say there will be females on the front line, I think ultimately there will only be a few, many will not cross that imaginary line in the sand.

That’s a very insightful perspective and certainly delivers an objective view,,…"

Similar to above I served with both male and female an issue we had when we went into the field on exercise was that the majority of females where not willing to hot bed after males and also didn't like the idea of using the great out doors as a toilet. Lastly the issue of sanitary products often reared its ugly head. I'm not saying this would always be the case in combat but think it does pose a worry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having served with yanks,Canadians, and many Europeans the ladies have nothing to worry about , history has shown us many times that woman can more than hold there own when the shit hits the fan , the Russian army was full of ladies in ww2 and kicked the Germans all the way back to Berlin!

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Why did I think this was going to be about a fanuary flea outbreak?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why did I think this was going to be about a fanuary flea outbreak? "

Beat me to it

Wouldn't have been long before we had threads about 'what colour flea collar should I wear to Chams ?'

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By *Bi-Fetish-CoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Higham Ferrers

Women will never be allowed to serve in front line combat fighting units, yes we have women on the front but in a non combat mode, medics, signallers and other support arms.

They are not physically capable of carrying the loads and covering the distances that front line troops do. Even in support arm rolls they have longer to run the distances and don't carry the same weight. Agreed there will be a few that can match the times and weights but as a few others have said when the shit hits the fan and the rounds start flying I'd rather have a section of males to aid than a section of females.

Sorry if that offends but I'm speaking from experience and have seen it first hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A study was done a few years ago with regards to women on the front line and whether it was a good or bad thing. As well as the excellent points made above it also highlighted that the men could also be an issue.

Men can cope if another man is wounded or killed in battle, they react objectively and can carry on their job.

It was found that if the same happens to a woman they simply can't and it affects their morale to a much larger extent afterwards.

The Germans had a similar issue in WWII when they discovered that they'd killed Russian women who were operating anti-tank guns.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Aslong as the required fitness levels are left as they are then anyone male or female who surpass these levels have earned the rite to serve on the frontline....i'd hate to think these levels were to be altered in anyway to allow lesser soldiers(male and female)to become frontliners

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Women already serve in the front line, just not in Infantry or Para/Marine units. As for women being less fit than men, don't make me laugh. I work on an Army Garrison (admin not Ops) and have seen some seriously overweight men puffing round the PT circuit, while being lapped by much fitter women.

Most the guys I work with don't care whether women serve in combat units or not. However I suspect that the actual unit wouldn't like it and, men being men, would make the womens' lives hell.

I recommend all woman units. No-one could stand in our way when our periods synchronise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Romans actively encouraged they're army to be gay/bi as they thought if a fighter was in love with the man standing by him he would be more likely to fight harder to secure the well being of his "partner". Perhaps this would work in a similar way for us if women were allowed to join the front line. That's assuming that the women that would want to join the front line don't all look like Russian truck drivers

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"That's assuming that the women that would want to join the front line don't all look like Russian truck drivers "

And wants to screw the guy she has to stand next to.

PS It was the Greeks that encouraged manlove. Romans hated it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's assuming that the women that would want to join the front line don't all look like Russian truck drivers

And wants to screw the guy she has to stand next to.

PS It was the Greeks that encouraged manlove. Romans hated it."

My bad! I failed history big time. Although I've been to Rome loads and if they didn't encourage it then they certainly do now.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"That's assuming that the women that would want to join the front line don't all look like Russian truck drivers

And wants to screw the guy she has to stand next to.

PS It was the Greeks that encouraged manlove. Romans hated it.

My bad! I failed history big time. Although I've been to Rome loads and if they didn't encourage it then they certainly do now. "

Really?? *Adds Rome to list of places to go*

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

Well the battlefield better not be muddy, it would play havoc with my heals.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Women will never be allowed to serve in front line combat fighting units, yes we have women on the front but in a non combat mode, medics, signallers and other support arms.

They are not physically capable of carrying the loads and covering the distances that front line troops do. Even in support arm rolls they have longer to run the distances and don't carry the same weight. Agreed there will be a few that can match the times and weights but as a few others have said when the shit hits the fan and the rounds start flying I'd rather have a section of males to aid than a section of females.

Sorry if that offends but I'm speaking from experience and have seen it first hand. "

They have the same weight and time for the CFT.

However for the runs they have longer times, and for the push-ups and sit ups they have to do less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter is a serving soldier in the artillery and having seeing her at a recent medal ceremony receiving her medal I was the proudest dad in the world she was in Helmand province where 3 of her colleagues were killed x equality equals brotherhood sisterhood

Camaraderie xx matt

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