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"Read the link and happen to agree. Always considered that electric batteries in their current guise. (Where you have to wait.) Is the VHS version of the electric battery....when the better version, was the Betamax." Yeah not the answer & used values will plummet. Need to wait another 10yrs to see where we go best but road pricing is coming soon as government losing too much money given car tax & 70% of petrol/diesel being tax not gettingto the exchequer from these electric cars. It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. " It's completely practical for day to day use. | |||
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"Interesting piece from car nerd rowan atkinson here. Finally starting to see some balance in the discussion https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson" He totally ignore the fact that battery chemicals can be recycled and alternative batteries are being developed. I think the press add their usual petrol head spin on it too. | |||
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"Read the link and happen to agree. Always considered that electric batteries in their current guise. (Where you have to wait.) Is the VHS version of the electric battery....when the better version, was the Betamax. Yeah not the answer & used values will plummet. Need to wait another 10yrs to see where we go best but road pricing is coming soon as government losing too much money given car tax & 70% of petrol/diesel being tax not gettingto the exchequer from these electric cars. It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. " I use.mines every day, very practical. | |||
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"Like it or not they’re here, it’s happening and soon your only choice for a brand new motor will all electric. Embrace the change "Undoubtedly we are moving to alternative fuel cars but at present most electric cars give a best couple of hundred miles in real time not on paper & then you fight to find a charger & wait a fair while to charge. Getting people to accept the waiting around when wanting to get where you are going is an issue. As for soon, it won't be in 2031. 2035 maybe but not convinced as we can't repair roads let alone put in charging infrastructure as just not enough electricity available. Already talk of evening off peak black outs if you research. | |||
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"Like it or not they’re here, it’s happening and soon your only choice for a brand new motor will all electric. Embrace the change
Undoubtedly we are moving to alternative fuel cars but at present most electric cars give a best couple of hundred miles in real time not on paper & then you fight to find a charger & wait a fair while to charge.
Getting people to accept the waiting around when wanting to get where you are going is an issue.
As for soon, it won't be in 2031. 2035 maybe but not convinced as we can't repair roads let alone put in charging infrastructure as just not enough electricity available.
Already talk of evening off peak black outs if you research."And how many 100’s mile trips do you make in a year? How many 360 mile road trips do you take? (average distance of a long range battery) The average road trip in the UK is under 5 miles you know but I guess you’d be panicking with your battery at only 25% eh 
As for 2031 date you mention, what do you think is happening before then? Nothing?  Try and walk into a dealership and order a brand new Fiesta or Focus and you can’t because they’re being / have been replaced by an all electric model.
As for the largest motor manufacturer in the UK it will be all electric by 2027 at the latest, not to mention it pumping £100’s millions into a new giga battery factory. Alternative fuel cars you say electric is here and will be for a long time mate. | |||
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"Not like were gonna get much of a say All praise the dictatorship of the united kingdom Well at least there cheap to run oh balls elecy prices are sky high too" tbh i dont really mind em i just dont like to be told what i have to do its like the smoking thing i only started again once they banned em in public spaces as a big fuck you | |||
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"I’m a Tesla investor, I have geeked on this subject so much and for so long I could bore you all to sleep. The only valid criticism of EVs right now is that, at the moment the chargers are nearly available enough. Only at the moment though. Remember change happens slowly at first, then all at once. Electric cars will be majority of new car sales by 2025. Tesla is within a year of offering for sale the car ever to go on sale for under £25,000. Battery storage in conjunction with renewables is about to revolutionise our National Grid & energy is about to become abundant. The economy on its own is about to sort out what the politicians couldn’t legislate. We are on the precipice of a new Industrial Revolution of which electric cars and automatic driving will be a big part. To use a pun, we all should fasten our seat belts. Hades x" Glad to hear this. But for now my diesel is king. | |||
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"Public charging infrastructure is incredibly inaccessible to disabled drivers. That's going to need to change, as is the availability and price of vehicles with suitable boot space for my wheelchair and hoist. I cannot have a hoist fitted if I lease a vehicle, only if I buy it myself and I'll probably invalidate any warranty in having it installed. They don't think of the dizzies when planning new public transport either - new train fleets are exactly as inaccessible as the older stock. Good times to be disabled, as per usual!" It's rubbish for everyone with electric cars so no need to feel sorry for disabled anymore than anyone else. | |||
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"Public charging infrastructure is incredibly inaccessible to disabled drivers. That's going to need to change, as is the availability and price of vehicles with suitable boot space for my wheelchair and hoist. I cannot have a hoist fitted if I lease a vehicle, only if I buy it myself and I'll probably invalidate any warranty in having it installed. They don't think of the dizzies when planning new public transport either - new train fleets are exactly as inaccessible as the older stock. Good times to be disabled, as per usual! It's rubbish for everyone with electric cars so no need to feel sorry for disabled anymore than anyone else. " It's more than rubbish if you use a wheelchair but the only chargers are up kerbs, on raised plinths, behind narrowly-spaced bollards and/or have a touch screen that cannot be touched from the seated height. I'd call that more than rubbish  | |||
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"Public charging infrastructure is incredibly inaccessible to disabled drivers. That's going to need to change, as is the availability and price of vehicles with suitable boot space for my wheelchair and hoist. I cannot have a hoist fitted if I lease a vehicle, only if I buy it myself and I'll probably invalidate any warranty in having it installed. They don't think of the dizzies when planning new public transport either - new train fleets are exactly as inaccessible as the older stock. Good times to be disabled, as per usual!" how does it compare to petroñ stations etc? what I've noticed since you raised it is how how much they try and cram them together. The RFID feel like they are lower than petrol and many have apps. But my experience is limited as o rarely charge at public points. | |||
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"Boring, no joy of driving...we real petrol heads will always stick with internal combustion engine " The fastest car in the world at o to 60 is a Tesla. | |||
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"Public charging infrastructure is incredibly inaccessible to disabled drivers. That's going to need to change, as is the availability and price of vehicles with suitable boot space for my wheelchair and hoist. I cannot have a hoist fitted if I lease a vehicle, only if I buy it myself and I'll probably invalidate any warranty in having it installed. They don't think of the dizzies when planning new public transport either - new train fleets are exactly as inaccessible as the older stock. Good times to be disabled, as per usual!how does it compare to petroñ stations etc? what I've noticed since you raised it is how how much they try and cram them together. The RFID feel like they are lower than petrol and many have apps. But my experience is limited as o rarely charge at public points. " There is an app (FuelService) which you can use at most petrol stations now (or find one within reasonable radius). You pull up at a pump, select the petrol station, enter the pump number and type of fuel and someone comes to do it for you. There are not yet (to my knowledge) any such apps for electric charge points, which are, in any case, often unstaffed e.g. in car parks, on the street in city centres. The app works at Sainsbury's, Shell, Morrisons, Texaco, Tesco and BP. A building issue though, is the habit of supermarket petrol stations moving to unstaffed versions. Our nearest Sainsbury's is now unstaffed, pay at pump only and so I can no longer use it. Asda are all unstaffed and cannot be used. Of course, this leads to potentially paying more for fuel than the next person, who is able to use the pumps themselves at a cheaper, unstaffed station. I pay by handing the attendant my card to do contactless. If it requires the PIN, I have to get out, unload my wheelchair and try not to be killed on the forecourt (and endure the glares of the waiting queue, who want to get to the pump!) Even if charging stations were staffed, there's a world of difference between assistance for a couple of minutes to fill a tank, vs starting and ending a charge session maybe half an hour or more apart. Is the disabled person just meant to sit in their car while it charges? Won't they get awfully cold in winter? Getting out with a wheelchair in any kind of wet weather is an absolute ball ache because your cushion (the only one you possess) gets wet and you have to sit in it for the rest of the day. Petrol forecourts are almost all covered, but much of the public charging infrastructure is out in the open. | |||
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"Boring, no joy of driving...we real petrol heads will always stick with internal combustion engine The fastest car in the world at o to 60 is a Tesla." So much more to enjoy in driving a car than 0-60. | |||
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"Just wonder what they are going to do with vans and lorry’s ect once this all new vehicle must be electric shit kicks in. They are yet to make a van that’s electric and of any actual fucking use never mind a lorry " Amazon are already using electric hgv cabs near where I am , god only knows how far they go before they have to be charged. | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. " No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? " The UK doesn't have that weather but you can plug them in still in the snowy conditions and we'd never be stranded here for 18 hours plus.... | |||
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"I don't get the fascination with 0-60 times in an everyday vehicle that will be used on the roads, for social, commuting and similar activities. The absolute max speed we can legally drive is 70mph. If it takes 3 seconds, 13 seconds, 23 or 33 seconds to get to 70mph from a standing start, does it really matter?! I don't even know the 0-60 time for my car (or any I've previously owned). So few people take their every day car to tracks or other off-road places where they can legally go faster, so in my mind, the fact EVs can accelerate like the wind is totally irrelevant. If anyone knows the 0-60 time of a Renault Sport Tourer GT line, 1.5 diesel, then that's how quickly I get off the line "11.2 seconds apparently | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? The UK doesn't have that weather but you can plug them in still in the snowy conditions and we'd never be stranded here for 18 hours plus...." to what when there is multiple vehicles stranded. It's funny how electric car people dumped theirs in favor of petrol . Because of that. It doesn't apply to everyone now does it ? | |||
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"I don't get the fascination with 0-60 times in an everyday vehicle that will be used on the roads, for social, commuting and similar activities. The absolute max speed we can legally drive is 70mph. If it takes 3 seconds, 13 seconds, 23 or 33 seconds to get to 70mph from a standing start, does it really matter?! I don't even know the 0-60 time for my car (or any I've previously owned). So few people take their every day car to tracks or other off-road places where they can legally go faster, so in my mind, the fact EVs can accelerate like the wind is totally irrelevant. If anyone knows the 0-60 time of a Renault Sport Tourer GT line, 1.5 diesel, then that's how quickly I get off the line
11.2 seconds apparently "It's rapid enough for the average British road. Most of the time, the motorways have some kind of variable speed limit imposed anyway! Last night (at 23:45), the M56 had 60mph set on the gantries, but absolutely no obvious reason. No roadworks, no accident etc. Seems daft to focus so much on acceleration times when choosing a regular car (rather than one specifically for racing or similar). | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? The UK doesn't have that weather but you can plug them in still in the snowy conditions and we'd never be stranded here for 18 hours plus.... to what when there is multiple vehicles stranded. It's funny how electric car people dumped theirs in favor of petrol . Because of that. It doesn't apply to everyone now does it ? " That still makes no sense , honestly don't get what you mean from the above. | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? The UK doesn't have that weather but you can plug them in still in the snowy conditions and we'd never be stranded here for 18 hours plus.... to what when there is multiple vehicles stranded. It's funny how electric car people dumped theirs in favor of petrol . Because of that. It doesn't apply to everyone now does it ? That still makes no sense , honestly don't get what you mean from the above. " makes perfect sense. Why go fully electric there. When the rest of the world are telling you are idiots? Do you honestly think that compared to the outputs of CO2 from the UK matches other nations that know better ? So tell me why I should fall into your standards. Give me a example. | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? The UK doesn't have that weather but you can plug them in still in the snowy conditions and we'd never be stranded here for 18 hours plus.... to what when there is multiple vehicles stranded. It's funny how electric car people dumped theirs in favor of petrol . Because of that. It doesn't apply to everyone now does it ? That still makes no sense , honestly don't get what you mean from the above. makes perfect sense. Why go fully electric there. When the rest of the world are telling you are idiots? Do you honestly think that compared to the outputs of CO2 from the UK matches other nations that know better ? So tell me why I should fall into your standards. Give me a example. " Learn to speak to people in the correct tone and you may get answers to your questions/statements. You won't be getting any from me, this idiot is off to bed! | |||
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"It's a Liberal ego exercise but not practical for day to day use. It's completely practical for day to day use. No it's not. Can a electric car be charged in a blizzard if you have been stranded for 18 hours in sub zero temperatures. Nope. You can just get petrol and survive much easier. Not practical to some don't you think ? The UK doesn't have that weather but you can plug them in still in the snowy conditions and we'd never be stranded here for 18 hours plus.... to what when there is multiple vehicles stranded. It's funny how electric car people dumped theirs in favor of petrol . Because of that. It doesn't apply to everyone now does it ? That still makes no sense , honestly don't get what you mean from the above. makes perfect sense. Why go fully electric there. When the rest of the world are telling you are idiots? Do you honestly think that compared to the outputs of CO2 from the UK matches other nations that know better ? So tell me why I should fall into your standards. Give me a example. Learn to speak to people in the correct tone and you may get answers to your questions/statements. You won't be getting any from me, this idiot is off to bed! "goodnight enjoy your week.  | |||
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"Public charging infrastructure is incredibly inaccessible to disabled drivers. That's going to need to change, as is the availability and price of vehicles with suitable boot space for my wheelchair and hoist. I cannot have a hoist fitted if I lease a vehicle, only if I buy it myself and I'll probably invalidate any warranty in having it installed. They don't think of the dizzies when planning new public transport either - new train fleets are exactly as inaccessible as the older stock. Good times to be disabled, as per usual!how does it compare to petroñ stations etc? what I've noticed since you raised it is how how much they try and cram them together. The RFID feel like they are lower than petrol and many have apps. But my experience is limited as o rarely charge at public points. There is an app (FuelService) which you can use at most petrol stations now (or find one within reasonable radius). You pull up at a pump, select the petrol station, enter the pump number and type of fuel and someone comes to do it for you. There are not yet (to my knowledge) any such apps for electric charge points, which are, in any case, often unstaffed e.g. in car parks, on the street in city centres. The app works at Sainsbury's, Shell, Morrisons, Texaco, Tesco and BP. A building issue though, is the habit of supermarket petrol stations moving to unstaffed versions. Our nearest Sainsbury's is now unstaffed, pay at pump only and so I can no longer use it. Asda are all unstaffed and cannot be used. Of course, this leads to potentially paying more for fuel than the next person, who is able to use the pumps themselves at a cheaper, unstaffed station. I pay by handing the attendant my card to do contactless. If it requires the PIN, I have to get out, unload my wheelchair and try not to be killed on the forecourt (and endure the glares of the waiting queue, who want to get to the pump!) Even if charging stations were staffed, there's a world of difference between assistance for a couple of minutes to fill a tank, vs starting and ending a charge session maybe half an hour or more apart. Is the disabled person just meant to sit in their car while it charges? Won't they get awfully cold in winter? Getting out with a wheelchair in any kind of wet weather is an absolute ball ache because your cushion (the only one you possess) gets wet and you have to sit in it for the rest of the day. Petrol forecourts are almost all covered, but much of the public charging infrastructure is out in the open. " My local Asda forecourt was recently refurbished ? . They have done away with the the pay kiosks . So now only card payments , no cash payments? I am not sure if disabled can use ?. Press a button and wait for someone to come from main shop? . There are no electric car charging points. I have posted before. I can have an ev charger at my house. But to do will cost approx £ 2000. This due to having to upgrade supply fuses, change to smart meter and upgrade fuse board . My fuse board was upgraded and tested less than four years ago. But will now not comply to new IEE regulations. Plus there will be extra expense of disruption to house installing ev charger. I know this although retired . Qualified electrician and knowing how cable , plus work would have to be done to install charger. Fuse board for my house and all in my road is in living room. I am not against ev vehicles. But the infrastructure for charging in UK is not there and the cost of doing to generating , charging for ev cars are many years away. Yet as others and I have posted . Manufactures of cars are only selling very soon ev cars.  | |||
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"Interesting piece from car nerd rowan atkinson here. Finally starting to see some balance in the discussion https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson" Whilst he is broadly right that the manufacturing footprint of electric cars is higher than a petrol one (unless renewables are powering the plant), he has also completely overlooked the fact that the lifetime carbon of an electric vehicle is still around 20% lower... and there is also the knock on effect of cleaner air at the street level through the removal of exhaust fumes. On the other hand, whilst not replacing vehicles before they need to be replaced IS a sensible strategy, NOT adopting electric cars because another new technology might be better in another 10 years times also seems to be offsetting the potential clean air benefits. Ultimately, I think there are a couple of technologies which SHOULD be the big focus for improving the exhaust emissions of the worlds fleet: New synthetic fuels, and exhaust capture systems which could actually remove the harmful components from the exhaust at source... this will particularly be beneficial to HGV, trains, ships etc. Cal | |||
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"Interesting piece from car nerd rowan atkinson here. Finally starting to see some balance in the discussion https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson Whilst he is broadly right that the manufacturing footprint of electric cars is higher than a petrol one (unless renewables are powering the plant), he has also completely overlooked the fact that the lifetime carbon of an electric vehicle is still around 20% lower... and there is also the knock on effect of cleaner air at the street level through the removal of exhaust fumes. On the other hand, whilst not replacing vehicles before they need to be replaced IS a sensible strategy, NOT adopting electric cars because another new technology might be better in another 10 years times also seems to be offsetting the potential clean air benefits. Ultimately, I think there are a couple of technologies which SHOULD be the big focus for improving the exhaust emissions of the worlds fleet: New synthetic fuels, and exhaust capture systems which could actually remove the harmful components from the exhaust at source... this will particularly be beneficial to HGV, trains, ships etc. Cal" "Electric cars, of course, have zero exhaust emissions, which is a welcome development, particularly in respect of the air quality in city centres." I think if they were to be pitched as offering this but for a cost... I could get on board. Its the fact they are largely pitched as the silver bullet to carbon emissions. That they are and have been hugely subsidised. Id also be interested to see what impact everyone in the uk driving electric cars for 20 years would have on air quality and carbon footprint. When measured against the impact of trucks, busses, vans, boats, planes, electricity production and industry. I cant help thinking its good but is being somewhat misrepresented... Got no facts to back that up though. | |||
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"New Toyota boss binning EV in favour of hydrogen. " And because of that Toyota are going bankrupt, by some estimates within 4 years. | |||
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"Not like were gonna get much of a say All praise the dictatorship of the united kingdom Well at least there cheap to run oh balls elecy prices are sky high tootbh i dont really mind em i just dont like to be told what i have to do its like the smoking thing i only started again once they banned em in public spaces as a big fuck you" I'm not sure starting to smoke is the "fuck you" to the government you think it is. | |||
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"New Toyota boss binning EV in favour of hydrogen. And because of that Toyota are going bankrupt, by some estimates within 4 years." Theres an "interesting" (ok maybe not for everyone) video of how tesla became the most valuable car maker in the world when shpping about 10 cars year. Imagine what theyd do if the 2nd biggest went pop? | |||
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"Like it or not they’re here, it’s happening and soon your only choice for a brand new motor will all electric. Embrace the change
Undoubtedly we are moving to alternative fuel cars but at present most electric cars give a best couple of hundred miles in real time not on paper & then you fight to find a charger & wait a fair while to charge.
Getting people to accept the waiting around when wanting to get where you are going is an issue.
As for soon, it won't be in 2031. 2035 maybe but not convinced as we can't repair roads let alone put in charging infrastructure as just not enough electricity available.
Already talk of evening off peak black outs if you research."surely once you have an electric car you have no choice but to wait for it to charge, do they not charge themselves as they go like a dynamo  | |||
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"I’ve not seen it, but being invested I fully get the valuation and why. Legacy car companies have rested on their laurels way too long offering mediocre products getting hamstrung in culture, internal politics and lack of leadership. They’re about to get what’s coming to them and for the way they have treated Musk in the process it’ll be well deserved. Tesla have disrupted vehicle manufacturing, but are doing so whilst disrupting across 5 or 6 different industries. I don’t agree with him on everything, but Musk deserves a huge amount of credit for having the vision and the courage to stand behind it in the face of enormous opposition and ridicule. " I think im allowed to post it here... https://youtu.be/nZGw1H9H1Fg | |||
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"Like it or not they’re here, it’s happening and soon your only choice for a brand new motor will all electric. Embrace the change
Undoubtedly we are moving to alternative fuel cars but at present most electric cars give a best couple of hundred miles in real time not on paper & then you fight to find a charger & wait a fair while to charge.
Getting people to accept the waiting around when wanting to get where you are going is an issue.
As for soon, it won't be in 2031. 2035 maybe but not convinced as we can't repair roads let alone put in charging infrastructure as just not enough electricity available.
Already talk of evening off peak black outs if you research.surely once you have an electric car you have no choice but to wait for it to charge, do they not charge themselves as they go like a dynamo "Bloody hell.. That would be clever! | |||
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"Like it or not they’re here, it’s happening and soon your only choice for a brand new motor will all electric. Embrace the change
Undoubtedly we are moving to alternative fuel cars but at present most electric cars give a best couple of hundred miles in real time not on paper & then you fight to find a charger & wait a fair while to charge.
Getting people to accept the waiting around when wanting to get where you are going is an issue.
As for soon, it won't be in 2031. 2035 maybe but not convinced as we can't repair roads let alone put in charging infrastructure as just not enough electricity available.
Already talk of evening off peak black outs if you research.
And how many 100’s mile trips do you make in a year? How many 360 mile road trips do you take? (average distance of a long range battery)
The average road trip in the UK is under 5 miles you know but I guess you’d be panicking with your battery at only 25% eh
As for 2031 date you mention, what do you think is happening before then? Nothing? Try and walk into a dealership and order a brand new Fiesta or Focus and you can’t because they’re being / have been replaced by an all electric model.
As for the largest motor manufacturer in the UK it will be all electric by 2027 at the latest, not to mention it pumping £100’s millions into a new giga battery factory. Alternative fuel cars you say electric is here and will be for a long time mate."Blimey, Rex. That’s the most normal thing I ever seen you post! Are you ok?  | |||
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"Bought my daughter one for her 17th birthday, we prefer our petrol car's, though inevitably we are going to have to change to electric ourselves too one day." Crikey. My first car was a shagged out old Austin mini I bought for £500! | |||
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"Related but not…. I read an article this morning about the difficulty in recycling solar panels. They only have a lifespan of 25 years and estimates say there are approximately 2.5 billion that will hit the scrap heap in a few years. Will it be the same with electric car batteries? I get that all cars have batteries, but combustion engines only have one as opposed to dozens. I’m open to the idea of electric cars but only when the infrastructure supports it. Not least getting allocated parking spaces for flats hooked up to the grid. Change is coming! Whether we like it or want it is almost irrelevant. For those who only want combustion engines, you’ll still be able to buy used (I wonder whether the values will change accordingly?)." I believe, but stand to be corrected, Tesla battery's can be reused in domestic property's in conjuction with a PV panel install. Pretty sure I heard it discussed a while back. | |||
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"Related but not…. I read an article this morning about the difficulty in recycling solar panels. They only have a lifespan of 25 years and estimates say there are approximately 2.5 billion that will hit the scrap heap in a few years. Will it be the same with electric car batteries? I get that all cars have batteries, but combustion engines only have one as opposed to dozens. I’m open to the idea of electric cars but only when the infrastructure supports it. Not least getting allocated parking spaces for flats hooked up to the grid. Change is coming! Whether we like it or want it is almost irrelevant. For those who only want combustion engines, you’ll still be able to buy used (I wonder whether the values will change accordingly?)." Although there is a lifespan on solar panels, they don't just stop working. People won't just get to a date in their calendar and have their panels removed... they will continue to be viable in a reduced capacity. The same will go for electric cars, there are already loads of older used electric and hybrid cars about with high mileage. They keep on working, with their aged batteries offering less range, but still able to do a service. Generally all of the figures given about the "lifetime" impact of a vehicle is based on a notional (often 100k miles) usable service. Cars will nearly always run for several times this figures with no problem. Also, the many issues with recycling batteries, solar panels, wind turbines, etc, are only a problem because the industries are not quite ready to deal with them yet. These industries are developing and growing into the new roles all the time though. Cal | |||
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"It'll never catch on. Horse drawn is the way to go." They'd put hay up by £10 a bale! | |||
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"It'll never catch on. Horse drawn is the way to go." What will we do with all the used and knackered horses? Although the waste products are good for the allotment. | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc." Yea cant wait for my carbon neutral flight for summer hols. All those trees being planted therell be no beaches left soon. | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc." Aren't they the ones making the batteries? | |||
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"It'll never catch on. Horse drawn is the way to go. What will we do with all the used and knackered horses? Although the waste products are good for the allotment. " We would recycle the materials in the age old way... | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc. Aren't they the ones making the batteries?" They're deploying more wind turbines than the rest of the world combined. | |||
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"Boring, no joy of driving...we real petrol heads will always stick with internal combustion engine The fastest car in the world at o to 60 is a Tesla." No it's not, fastest car in the world (or one of the fastest) from 0-60 and few other records in Rimac Nevera (electric car) | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc. Aren't they the ones making the batteries? They're deploying more wind turbines than the rest of the world combined. "Got to get rid of the exhaust fumes somehow | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc. Aren't they the ones making the batteries? They're deploying more wind turbines than the rest of the world combined. "Yeah, we have lots of students coming to study on programmes relating to electrical and mechanical engineering and who have the intention of working back home, in the renewable energy sector. China's Belt and Road initiative technically (let's see about practically) should "pursue the new vision of green development and a way of life and work that is green, low-carbon, circular and sustainable." I put that bit in brackets because the BRI is also building a bunch of coal fired stations..... | |||
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"So many people in here who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. " About what, specifically? | |||
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"So many people in here who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. About what, specifically?" We don't have a clue what he's talking about? | |||
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"So many people in here who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. " Educate us. Share. | |||
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"Like it or not they’re here, it’s happening and soon your only choice for a brand new motor will all electric. Embrace the change "I don't think that will end up being the case at all...there is a lot of talk about there being a u turn in the date for all new cars being electric. And rightly so,as its just not functional | |||
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" I believe, but stand to be corrected, Tesla battery's can be reused in domestic property's in conjuction with a PV panel install. Pretty sure I heard it discussed a while back." I've always found that old batteries are disappointing when used in vibrators. | |||
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" I believe, but stand to be corrected, Tesla battery's can be reused in domestic property's in conjuction with a PV panel install. Pretty sure I heard it discussed a while back. I've always found that old batteries are disappointing when used in vibrators." If its got a tesla battery in it... Itll be for the size queen's | |||
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"So many people in here who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. " I know I haven’t. Not a scooby I tell you. | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc. Aren't they the ones making the batteries? They're deploying more wind turbines than the rest of the world combined. "Which are very efficient when there is no wind.Perhaps the idea is with Chinas large population everyone blows at once.They are also building more coal fired power stations than anyone else.Given China is a one party state(the politicians don't have to worry about re election) their strategic planning is about 30 years ahead(before any benefits are felt).Wonder why they are building coal fired power stations.The Chinese also control most of the mining and mineral rights needed for the batteries,a process begun over 30 years ago.Any EV future depends largely on China.A recent study by Volvo shows EV production creates 70% more emissions than diesel/peteol.The Volvo xc40 is the same as the c40 just 70% less polluting to make,so don't forget,"Mirror-Virtue Signal-Manoeuvre" | |||
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"Go tell all this net zero to China etc. Aren't they the ones making the batteries? They're deploying more wind turbines than the rest of the world combined.
Which are very efficient when there is no wind.Perhaps the idea is with Chinas large population everyone blows at once.They are also building more coal fired power stations than anyone else.Given China is a one party state(the politicians don't have to worry about re election) their strategic planning is about 30 years ahead(before any benefits are felt).Wonder why they are building coal fired power stations.The Chinese also control most of the mining and mineral rights needed for the batteries,a process begun over 30 years ago.Any EV future depends largely on China.A recent study by Volvo shows EV production creates 70% more emissions than diesel/peteol.The Volvo xc40 is the same as the c40 just 70% less polluting to make,so don't forget,"Mirror-Virtue Signal-Manoeuvre"
"it takes 70k miles of driving to break even. 30k if using green energy. That's not too bad a payback period imo. | |||
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"New Toyota boss binning EV in favour of hydrogen. Ford are also into this." Toyota as so far behind the game its actually laughable … and ford Europe entire car line will be all electric by 2026… with 9 different sorts of vehicles coming in the next 18 months!! I think actually the interesting thing is that ford and tesla have agreed that ford cars will be able to use tesla’s supercharger network and fords are going to be made including the tesla’s charging ports… | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future." Nitrogen is the way forward... | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future. Nitrogen is the way forward..." The future is most likely something completely different that's not been invented yet, but in the interim electric is going to play a major part. And even when they move on to something else, it's only the power source that's going to change... different batteries, or mini nuclear reactors, or dilithium crystals. Ultimately, the downsides of combustion engines far outweigh the benefits. The heat and fumes, the thousands of moving parts and Wear components (like brakes), all are less efficient than an electric motor. The real problem is handling the change from the mass deployment of ICE vehicles too their total replacement, and the growth of industries to deal with the ongoing management/decommissioning of the new technologies... but let's not forget that every town and city around the world currently has one or more "scrap yard" full of broken/rusty/leaking cars. Cal | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future. Nitrogen is the way forward..." Actually the way forward in the future may be an offshoot of lithium…. If you have a look on the periodic table.. right next to lithium… is sodium.. you know.. that salt stuff!! They are already experimenting with sodium phosphate batteries and it doesn’t quite get the range at the moment.. but it’s still new technology! | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future. Nitrogen is the way forward... Actually the way forward in the future may be an offshoot of lithium…. If you have a look on the periodic table.. right next to lithium… is sodium.. you know.. that salt stuff!! They are already experimenting with sodium phosphate batteries and it doesn’t quite get the range at the moment.. but it’s still new technology! " A salt & battery?  | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future. Nitrogen is the way forward... Actually the way forward in the future may be an offshoot of lithium…. If you have a look on the periodic table.. right next to lithium… is sodium.. you know.. that salt stuff!! They are already experimenting with sodium phosphate batteries and it doesn’t quite get the range at the moment.. but it’s still new technology! A salt & battery? "You… back of the room!! Get out!!! | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future. Nitrogen is the way forward... Actually the way forward in the future may be an offshoot of lithium…. If you have a look on the periodic table.. right next to lithium… is sodium.. you know.. that salt stuff!! They are already experimenting with sodium phosphate batteries and it doesn’t quite get the range at the moment.. but it’s still new technology! " Go ask Exxon what the future is .... Anyone investing billions into it is definitely more serious than planet destroyer Musk!! | |||
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"Self charging is the best and helium 3 power in the future. Nitrogen is the way forward... Actually the way forward in the future may be an offshoot of lithium…. If you have a look on the periodic table.. right next to lithium… is sodium.. you know.. that salt stuff!! They are already experimenting with sodium phosphate batteries and it doesn’t quite get the range at the moment.. but it’s still new technology! A salt & battery?
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