Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to The Lounge |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper" Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! " But if you have no idea to cook a lasagne from scratch. Iceland do a lasagne that will feed 8-10 for £5. You don't want to even begin to imagine the crap that goes into it. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Health Minister Anna Soubry has risked controversy by claiming that she can spot poor people in the street because they are usually overweight. Is it true that you are more likely to be overweight if you are on a lower income? " I personally do not think that is true, I think it is all in the education of bringing up children to know how to cook healthy and not eat junk food. That can apply to lower or higher income families. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! But if you have no idea to cook a lasagne from scratch. Iceland do a lasagne that will feed 8-10 for £5. You don't want to even begin to imagine the crap that goes into it. " Hence my next post  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! " Where you shopping then.. as just the mince alone would cost nearly £6... I struggle to feed my kids how I want as bad food is just cheaper.. Big bag of crips £2 on offer... fruit is much more expensive.. Look at things like home bargains.. its rarely good food cheap.. all biscuits etc. I just have to suck it up and spend the extra on my shopping.. I dont go to takeaways much.. but its still cheaper to buy fatty foods.. and actually lasagne is very high in fat and calories.. lol | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"well you ladies clearly are not poor" I am not sure how you ascertain that  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! " Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Where you shopping then.. as just the mince alone would cost nearly £6... I struggle to feed my kids how I want as bad food is just cheaper.. Big bag of crips £2 on offer... fruit is much more expensive.. Look at things like home bargains.. its rarely good food cheap.. all biscuits etc. I just have to suck it up and spend the extra on my shopping.. I dont go to takeaways much.. but its still cheaper to buy fatty foods.. and actually lasagne is very high in fat and calories.. lol " If you don't buy from supermarkets but a local butcher, I can get 1kg of mince for £5. It is very good quality, as for fruit, again there are lots of places that sell it at an affordable cost, and bulk buying is far cheaper. Homemade burgers are very easy to do and much better and cheaper than any fast food joint, so I unfortunately do not agree that bad food is cheaper. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! " That's not a fair comparison. Iceland do a family lasagne for £3, so say two of those will be £6, works out £2 cheaper than your home made lasagne example. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time!" I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! That's not a fair comparison. Iceland do a family lasagne for £3, so say two of those will be £6, works out £2 cheaper than your home made lasagne example. " It is completely fair, as you look at the back on the packet on the Iceland box and see what crap is in it! As said above! So the extra £2, which even I could shave down if I had to, to get to that price is worth it 10 times over! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Where you shopping then.. as just the mince alone would cost nearly £6... I struggle to feed my kids how I want as bad food is just cheaper.. Big bag of crips £2 on offer... fruit is much more expensive.. Look at things like home bargains.. its rarely good food cheap.. all biscuits etc. I just have to suck it up and spend the extra on my shopping.. I dont go to takeaways much.. but its still cheaper to buy fatty foods.. and actually lasagne is very high in fat and calories.. lol If you don't buy from supermarkets but a local butcher, I can get 1kg of mince for £5. It is very good quality, as for fruit, again there are lots of places that sell it at an affordable cost, and bulk buying is far cheaper. Homemade burgers are very easy to do and much better and cheaper than any fast food joint, so I unfortunately do not agree that bad food is cheaper. " Also making your own sauces rather that buying dolmio is so much cheaper, passata costs 50p for a big jar agsinst dolmio £2. And bechamel is easy too make and is just a bit of flour, milk and butter. Onion, garlic, carrots etc. all much cheaper from the local green grocer than the supermarket. X | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"To an extent yes. Although I don't think it's totally to do with income, it's the poor education that goes along with being poor. Younger mums who haven't finished school or been to college, not knowing how to cook, or what is healthy. You don't see many middle/upper class feeding their 1year old Macdonalds with extra salt on the chips. " Yes you do lol busy parents who don't have time to cook are always in McDonalds. What's my excuse then, reasonably well educated (have a degree), not that poor but not rich either, yet size of a small elephant 
At some point people have to stop looking for excuses and accept its personal choice. I know how to cook healthy dinners and often do, but I also know I like cake and chocolate  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! " I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! That's not a fair comparison. Iceland do a family lasagne for £3, so say two of those will be £6, works out £2 cheaper than your home made lasagne example. " I've tried those lasagnas. They are vile! Barely any meat in them and totally bland. You could replicate one of those for about a quid making it yourself with sloppy sauce and pasta sheets | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food." Still going to disagree Cali lol, when we meet soon, I shall make sure I can find somewhere near you to buy cheaper mince or meat, or bring some along | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food." Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! " If you can! If you know how! Not everyone does! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! That's not a fair comparison. Iceland do a family lasagne for £3, so say two of those will be £6, works out £2 cheaper than your home made lasagne example. It is completely fair, as you look at the back on the packet on the Iceland box and see what crap is in it! As said above! So the extra £2, which even I could shave down if I had to, to get to that price is worth it 10 times over!" I think you misunderstand, my comparison was more suited than yours as I was comparing forms of lasagne, I could eat frozen food for much less than a top restaurant, same kind of extreme. yes I recognise the quality in frozen lasagne may not be the same as home made, I tend to make home made and never had an iceland lasagne. I do think though that you've gotten yourself into a tizzy about fast food from take away's, I gave an alternative view away from take away's but using an example of how bad food can be cheaper and therefore more attractive to some. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Just an observation of mine. When I was a child - I came from a very poor family - lots of my friends were very poor. There were many many children who were very thin through lack of food - some would have little to eat. A good schoolfriend of mine was one of 4 children and her mother used to use those packets of Batchelors dried soups. She would water it down enough for them all and give them bread to dip in it and to fill them up. I work in a school in a pretty deprived area where quite the majority of children are on free school meals. I have noticed that there are far more obese children (and I do not mean a bit chubby) than there every used to be. I wondered if, given the unhealthy nature of cheaper processed foods, this was becoming the norm for poorer children. We know now that manufacturers of processed foods use what is called 'high fructose corn syrup' to sweeten foods and give them flavour (and this applies also to so-called savoury items). They use this instead of sugar from cane as it is much cheaper and sweeter. However, studies have shown that 'high fructose corn syrup' actually makes people fatter than ordinary sugar in the way it works in the body - making it store more in the form of fat. Most people would not know this just looking at ingredients on packets. People may believe that they are feeding their children well on a budget but are not in reality. " Totally agree. There was a programme on this a while back and there was actually more fat/salt/sugar in a well known supermarket brand of better quality microwave meals that cost 3 times more than the 99p value version!! It's all about educating people to read labels and try and cook from fresh wherever possible. My local butcher does extra lean steak mince at around £2 for a pound in weight. The supermarkets would charge nearly double for the same. It's shocking really x | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices." As I said people need educating from an early age. 
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"i used to cook my son cottage pie, and stuff, he said he would rather have a mcdonalds on the way home from work. he never gets bored with cheeseburgers. he is lucky though, he never puts on weight." Not putting on weight is one thing, health issues can be another entirely. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
but that is a healthy meal.
Cheap frozen burgers though are £1 for about 10... would cost me much more to make my own... and the kids dont like homemade ones as they are too meaty  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Health Minister Anna Soubry has risked controversy by claiming that she can spot poor people in the street because they are usually overweight. Is it true that you are more likely to be overweight if you are on a lower income? " Think it may be more likely that they could be suffering some form of undiagnosed depression rather than just being poor. Fat costs money, ergo you can't be 'poor' if you can afford fat. BUT... if you only have just enough money to eat three meals a day, you are likely to look for the cheaper (and least taxing on your efforts/abilities) foods than if you are well beyond that point and can make both informed and affordable choices. The term 'comfort food' is, I feel, particularly relevant, especially if linked to depression, and even more so where a subconscious link is made in childhood to food being the salve which makes you 'feel better'. (dons tin helmet and retires to fall-out shelter)  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" Time - white sauce = 10 mins Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce. Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8) Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal. That is not skill or needing a degree." or buy 4 tins of macaroni cheese for £1. which is what most people will do.. Cooking is becoming a thing of the past.. although all my older ones can cook.. They will still choose not to.. I make a home made sauce for my bolognaise sometimes.. they hate it.. too many tomatoes.. so I have to buy a ready made sauce. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices. As I said people need educating from an early age.
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree."Agree, But they don't teach what we called Domestic Science in our day. Now it's 'Food Tech'... What the f*** is that..??? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Health Minister Anna Soubry has risked controversy by claiming that she can spot poor people in the street because they are usually overweight. Is it true that you are more likely to be overweight if you are on a lower income? " I think she’s a fool for saying something as worthless as that… I hope someone take’s her up on this "fat challenge" and puts her observation skills to the test before publishing her results next to a big picture of her stupid fat head….!. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper" totally disagree with this, using fresh healthy ingredients to cook food is not expensive. It does help if you know how to cook and make the ingredients you use taste good and don't waste food. Learn how to make use of leftovers Do a menu for the week and just buy the ingredients you need, make a list and stick to it | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" Time - white sauce = 10 mins Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce. Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8) Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal. That is not skill or needing a degree. or buy 4 tins of macaroni cheese for £1. which is what most people will do.. Cooking is becoming a thing of the past.. although all my older ones can cook.. They will still choose not to.. I make a home made sauce for my bolognaise sometimes.. they hate it.. too many tomatoes.. so I have to buy a ready made sauce. " Tinned macaroni cheese is disgusting - my kids wouldn't touch it. Cooking will never become a thing of the past. My kids can cook and they like to do so, because I have cultivated their interest from a young age. M | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices. As I said people need educating from an early age.
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree."And who would do the educating? With Gove planning to cut back on the arts (which includes DT lessons - Food Tech, etc) and many people not having been given the skills - how would they know? I was taught to cook by my mother. She knew how to cook for a family of 5 on next to nothing - and they were always filling and nutritious meals. But friends of mine were hopeless at cooking as so were their mothers. They just never learned! That's what I meant! I know people should learn from a young age - but many DON'T! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Health Minister Anna Soubry has risked controversy by claiming that she can spot poor people in the street because they are usually overweight. Is it true that you are more likely to be overweight if you are on a lower income? I think she’s a fool for saying something as worthless as that… I hope someone take’s her up on this "fat challenge" and puts her observation skills to the test before publishing her results next to a big picture of her stupid fat head….!. " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food."
Where I live we have shops that sell really cheap junk food ie two packs of mr Kipling cakes for £1, I buy 5 apples from the green grocer and they cost £1.40,
It's all about finding the right balance, my kids are healthy me on the other hand is a fatty but that's not all down to food. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"it could be, because to a lot of poor people, food is their only pleasure apart from sex and cheap booze." ...... and roll-ups. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" Time - white sauce = 10 mins Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce. Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8) Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal. That is not skill or needing a degree. or buy 4 tins of macaroni cheese for £1. which is what most people will do.. Cooking is becoming a thing of the past.. although all my older ones can cook.. They will still choose not to.. I make a home made sauce for my bolognaise sometimes.. they hate it.. too many tomatoes.. so I have to buy a ready made sauce. " Have you tried using passata instead of tinned toms Cali? Just as cheap but no lumpy tomato bits. I don't like toms and my son won't eat chunky Tom sauces but he loves this, I just dice up an onion add garlic and mixed herbs and its lovely xx | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices. As I said people need educating from an early age.
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree.
Agree, But they don't teach what we called Domestic Science in our day. Now it's 'Food Tech'... What the f*** is that..???
"Our day  
I did Cookery at school for 2 years, 14- 16 and that was that.
If you want to eat healthy, doesn't have to be complicated or gourmet, watch cooking programmes, go to the library and get books out.
Look on the internet for tips, advice and recipes.
Look at Jamie Oliver's feed a family for a £5.
I am firm believer in educating yourself. : | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper" That is a myth....processed food isn't any cheaper than a couple of chickne pieces. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! " Again, I recognise this, but comparing the cheapest home made option to an expensive take away, well it doesn't compare. I remember recently a thread on shopping bills where you was surprised people claim to spend so little, yet your posts here suggest you may or could do the same. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Cooking will never become a thing of the past. My kids can cook and they like to do so, because I have cultivated their interest from a young age." Trouble is, the majority don't have their interest cultivated..... and therein lies the problem.... does it not..? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"did she say apart from Eric Pickles when she made her statement.." She should have included Nicholas Soames. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" Time - white sauce = 10 mins Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce. Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8) Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal. That is not skill or needing a degree. or buy 4 tins of macaroni cheese for £1. which is what most people will do.. Cooking is becoming a thing of the past.. although all my older ones can cook.. They will still choose not to.. I make a home made sauce for my bolognaise sometimes.. they hate it.. too many tomatoes.. so I have to buy a ready made sauce. " I would advise if you can, to invest in a blender, there are some really good cheap ones about, make a ragu or any sauce and blend and they will be none the wiser | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I come from a poor family we were never fat but malnourished due to common sense eating as in what's on your plate is all there is no money for cakes biscuits etc . Even now we shop in lidl aldi for economy even though we have good income all fresh veg and home cooked we both work full time also eat less do more do free things with kids go feed the ducks go for a walk or the swings but for gods sake stop blaming everybody else" It's not about blame - blame actually is counter-productive. Blame the poor for being 'fatter' (apparently), blame companies for making unhealthy foods. What's the point? Find out why and then come up with solutions. It is not just about saying 'eat more healthily'. How? How do we get people to eat healthily, understand nutrition, have healthy foods available to all at a price all can afford? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food." Two packets of lean mince for £6 at Tesco.... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"7 chicken breasts 4.99 breadrumbs 60p buns 1.50 lidl , 6 burgers god knows what in at kfc £15" I think the comparison wasn't agsinst home cooking v take away. It was agsinst say making chicken nuggets from chicken breast and using breadcrumbs v buying a bag of £2 chicken nuggets from tesco value range coz its cheaper x | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Cooking will never become a thing of the past. My kids can cook and they like to do so, because I have cultivated their interest from a young age. Trouble is, the majority don't have their interest cultivated..... and therein lies the problem.... does it not..? "So as I said I think from a young age, education should play a part, and it does in many schools, primary to secondary with "cooking" classes or Food Tech
Depends though then if parents then encourage children to use what they have learnt at home.
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"This is getting interesting. Pass the choccy biccies someone. "Would you like the expensive or cheap ones? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! If you can! If you know how! Not everyone does!" But anyone can find out if they really want to? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices. As I said people need educating from an early age.
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree.
Agree, But they don't teach what we called Domestic Science in our day. Now it's 'Food Tech'... What the f*** is that..???
Our day
I did Cookery at school for 2 years, 14- 16 and that was that.
If you want to eat healthy, doesn't have to be complicated or gourmet, watch cooking programmes, go to the library and get books out.
Look on the internet for tips, advice and recipes.
Look at Jamie Oliver's feed a family for a £5.
I am firm believer in educating yourself. : "Well, being an old git I can still remember my first cooking 'lesson'!! I must have been about six years old, and in infant school and we made scones (please - no debate about the pronunciation!!) in the class, mixing the ingredients, rolling out the dough - which I had to do as I was the biggest. It was a BIG deal to us at that age and I can just about remember making my Mum's life a misery wanting to know all about what went into this, and what went into that, for weeks afterwards.
But the key to that was how old I was - just six! And I'm still inquisitive about food and 'what goes into it' even now....
If you want to turn this round, to me the key is to get to kids at school at as early an age as possible. Fourteen is already far too late.... 
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I come from a poor family we were never fat but malnourished due to common sense eating as in what's on your plate is all there is no money for cakes biscuits etc . Even now we shop in lidl aldi for economy even though we have good income all fresh veg and home cooked we both work full time also eat less do more do free things with kids go feed the ducks go for a walk or the swings but for gods sake stop blaming everybody else It's not about blame - blame actually is counter-productive. Blame the poor for being 'fatter' (apparently), blame companies for making unhealthy foods. What's the point? Find out why and then come up with solutions. It is not just about saying 'eat more healthily'. How? How do we get people to eat healthily, understand nutrition, have healthy foods available to all at a price all can afford? " Stop teaching kids algebra and other crap at school that is no use to anyone and teach them something useful. I really think that's the only way. Life skills in general need much more attention to the young. Cooking, household stuff like how to change a lightbulb/plug etc. algebra and Shakespeare isn't gonna help many people. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food. Two packets of lean mince for £6 at Tesco.... "For a cottage pie I have to use 2 at my house.. as they are only small.. lol I could get it to go further if I brought lesser quality.. but I dont like cheap mince. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! Again, I recognise this, but comparing the cheapest home made option to an expensive take away, well it doesn't compare. I remember recently a thread on shopping bills where you was surprised people claim to spend so little, yet your posts here suggest you may or could do the same. "This is not about what we spend, or what we choose to spend, and on luxury items/going out etc is our choice. We do not spend a fortune on home cooking, that thread I was referring to going out and alcohol and fags on top. You are trying to quote me out of context! For example if we buy beef to roast we will spend £60 on a rib, however ANYONE could spend say £8- £10 on a nice piece of meat, but we chose to spend more! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices. As I said people need educating from an early age.
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree.
Agree, But they don't teach what we called Domestic Science in our day. Now it's 'Food Tech'... What the f*** is that..???
Our day
I did Cookery at school for 2 years, 14- 16 and that was that.
If you want to eat healthy, doesn't have to be complicated or gourmet, watch cooking programmes, go to the library and get books out.
Look on the internet for tips, advice and recipes.
Look at Jamie Oliver's feed a family for a £5.
I am firm believer in educating yourself. :
Well, being an old git I can still remember my first cooking 'lesson'!! I must have been about six years old, and in infant school and we made scones (please - no debate about the pronunciation!!) in the class, mixing the ingredients, rolling out the dough - which I had to do as I was the biggest. It was a BIG deal to us at that age and I can just about remember making my Mum's life a misery wanting to know all about what went into this, and what went into that, for weeks afterwards.
But the key to that was how old I was - just six! And I'm still inquisitive about food and 'what goes into it' even now....
If you want to turn this round, to me the key is to get to kids at school at as early an age as possible. Fourteen is already far too late....
" | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ahem - could you look at my last post? Many people may be completely unaware of how poor their diets are. You would need a degree in nutrition these days to work out exactly what you are feeding your children. Not everyone has the luxury of time, skill, or money to make the right choices. As I said people need educating from an early age.
Time - white sauce = 10 mins
Add cheese, you have a cheese sauce.
Add Marconi to hot water (£2 for a bag to feed 8)
Boil, mix...lovely homemade meal.
That is not skill or needing a degree.
Agree, But they don't teach what we called Domestic Science in our day. Now it's 'Food Tech'... What the f*** is that..???
Our day
I did Cookery at school for 2 years, 14- 16 and that was that.
If you want to eat healthy, doesn't have to be complicated or gourmet, watch cooking programmes, go to the library and get books out.
Look on the internet for tips, advice and recipes.
Look at Jamie Oliver's feed a family for a £5.
I am firm believer in educating yourself. :
Well, being an old git I can still remember my first cooking 'lesson'!! I must have been about six years old, and in infant school and we made scones (please - no debate about the pronunciation!!) in the class, mixing the ingredients, rolling out the dough - which I had to do as I was the biggest. It was a BIG deal to us at that age and I can just about remember making my Mum's life a misery wanting to know all about what went into this, and what went into that, for weeks afterwards.
But the key to that was how old I was - just six! And I'm still inquisitive about food and 'what goes into it' even now....
If you want to turn this round, to me the key is to get to kids at school at as early an age as possible. Fourteen is already far too late....
"The only useful thing I was taught was how to make pastry. Balanced meals, nutrition, working to a budget? Never - not a thing. Learned all that from my mother, luckily. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"well you ladies clearly are not poor" Don't be fooled, they're just breathing in Sorry Julie old cock, couldn't resist | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food. Two packets of lean mince for £6 at Tesco....
For a cottage pie I have to use 2 at my house.. as they are only small.. lol I could get it to go further if I brought lesser quality.. but I dont like cheap mince. "It has extra lean on the packet | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food. Two packets of lean mince for £6 at Tesco....
For a cottage pie I have to use 2 at my house.. as they are only small.. lol I could get it to go further if I brought lesser quality.. but I dont like cheap mince. "Mince from supermarkets normally comes in 500g packets, I buy a 1kg of mince and can feed 10 from that. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! Again, I recognise this, but comparing the cheapest home made option to an expensive take away, well it doesn't compare. I remember recently a thread on shopping bills where you was surprised people claim to spend so little, yet your posts here suggest you may or could do the same.
This is not about what we spend, or what we choose to spend, and on luxury items/going out etc is our choice.
We do not spend a fortune on home cooking, that thread I was referring to going out and alcohol and fags on top.
You are trying to quote me out of context!
For example if we buy beef to roast we will spend £60 on a rib, however ANYONE could spend say £8- £10 on a nice piece of meat, but we chose to spend more!"Just saying, if you can do meals so cheap then you should be able to understand how people can spend little on shopping, especially as not everyone smokes and/or drinks regular. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"IMHO, if one does not burn off what one consumes, it will turn into fat. Exercising usually requires some dedication in order to be beneficial in the long term. Dedication requires motivation. People who succeed in life tend to have more motivation than those who don't. People who succeed in life tend to achieve more. Therefore they are more likely to be better off than those who lack motivation. As I have said, all IMHO, and please note the use of the word *some*. Tin hat on. "Many may not realise just how much they are consuming though if they eat cheap processed food. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I come from a poor family we were never fat but malnourished due to common sense eating as in what's on your plate is all there is no money for cakes biscuits etc . Even now we shop in lidl aldi for economy even though we have good income all fresh veg and home cooked we both work full time also eat less do more do free things with kids go feed the ducks go for a walk or the swings but for gods sake stop blaming everybody else It's not about blame - blame actually is counter-productive. Blame the poor for being 'fatter' (apparently), blame companies for making unhealthy foods. What's the point? Find out why and then come up with solutions. It is not just about saying 'eat more healthily'. How? How do we get people to eat healthily, understand nutrition, have healthy foods available to all at a price all can afford? Stop teaching kids algebra and other crap at school that is no use to anyone and teach them something useful. I really think that's the only way. Life skills in general need much more attention to the young. Cooking, household stuff like how to change a lightbulb/plug etc. algebra and Shakespeare isn't gonna help many people. " When does it become the parents responsibility to teach their children things, why does it all have to fall on teachers and schools?? Too often these days the education system us blamed for failing made in the parenting. People just expect the schools to bring their children up!! Schools are there to further a chikds education. Life skills such as cooking and respect and budgeting etc should be taught by their parents. If you can't manage that should you really have kids? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! Again, I recognise this, but comparing the cheapest home made option to an expensive take away, well it doesn't compare. I remember recently a thread on shopping bills where you was surprised people claim to spend so little, yet your posts here suggest you may or could do the same.
This is not about what we spend, or what we choose to spend, and on luxury items/going out etc is our choice.
We do not spend a fortune on home cooking, that thread I was referring to going out and alcohol and fags on top.
You are trying to quote me out of context!
For example if we buy beef to roast we will spend £60 on a rib, however ANYONE could spend say £8- £10 on a nice piece of meat, but we chose to spend more!
Just saying, if you can do meals so cheap then you should be able to understand how people can spend little on shopping, especially as not everyone smokes and/or drinks regular.
"No I can't understand then in correlation to this thread where people say that they have to buy junk/rubbish food because it is more expensive to buy healthy food. Their food bill per year would be lower if they did their own cooking
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Another way to go if you are on a budget and want lean mince is buy the cheap stuff and boil/dry fry it first then drain the fat off, I've done this before and it's great if your a bit strapped for cash and don't want your bolognaise swimming in grease x " Always drain off any fat | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"For anyone interested, Tesco's currently have healthy mince on offer, 3 packs of 500g for a £10." If you shop 'cannily', you get some very good bargains. Did the same as you in our ASDA at the end of last year (2 x 3packs of lean mince), portioned it up before freezing and still have a couple left. All comes down to your own personal choice. If you choose the change you shopping/eating habits, then you will. If you don't.......
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"For anyone interested, Tesco's currently have healthy mince on offer, 3 packs of 500g for a £10. If you shop 'cannily', you get some very good bargains. Did the same as you in our ASDA at the end of last year (2 x 3packs of lean mince), portioned it up before freezing and still have a couple left. All comes down to your own personal choice. If you choose the change you shopping/eating habits, then you will. If you don't.......
"Yeah but then if you don't...don't moan about it! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I come from a poor family we were never fat but malnourished due to common sense eating as in what's on your plate is all there is no money for cakes biscuits etc . Even now we shop in lidl aldi for economy even though we have good income all fresh veg and home cooked we both work full time also eat less do more do free things with kids go feed the ducks go for a walk or the swings but for gods sake stop blaming everybody else It's not about blame - blame actually is counter-productive. Blame the poor for being 'fatter' (apparently), blame companies for making unhealthy foods. What's the point? Find out why and then come up with solutions. It is not just about saying 'eat more healthily'. How? How do we get people to eat healthily, understand nutrition, have healthy foods available to all at a price all can afford? Stop teaching kids algebra and other crap at school that is no use to anyone and teach them something useful. I really think that's the only way. Life skills in general need much more attention to the young. Cooking, household stuff like how to change a lightbulb/plug etc. algebra and Shakespeare isn't gonna help many people. When does it become the parents responsibility to teach their children things, why does it all have to fall on teachers and schools?? Too often these days the education system us blamed for failing made in the parenting. People just expect the schools to bring their children up!! Schools are there to further a chikds education. Life skills such as cooking and respect and budgeting etc should be taught by their parents. If you can't manage that should you really have kids? " Understand what you saying, but the sad fact is that there is a generation of parents out there who are virtually incapable of teaching their own kids the basics...... because THEY never learned them themselves... Hence, it's going to come down to the schools again...
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I come from a poor family we were never fat but malnourished due to common sense eating as in what's on your plate is all there is no money for cakes biscuits etc . Even now we shop in lidl aldi for economy even though we have good income all fresh veg and home cooked we both work full time also eat less do more do free things with kids go feed the ducks go for a walk or the swings but for gods sake stop blaming everybody else It's not about blame - blame actually is counter-productive. Blame the poor for being 'fatter' (apparently), blame companies for making unhealthy foods. What's the point? Find out why and then come up with solutions. It is not just about saying 'eat more healthily'. How? How do we get people to eat healthily, understand nutrition, have healthy foods available to all at a price all can afford? Stop teaching kids algebra and other crap at school that is no use to anyone and teach them something useful. I really think that's the only way. Life skills in general need much more attention to the young. Cooking, household stuff like how to change a lightbulb/plug etc. algebra and Shakespeare isn't gonna help many people. When does it become the parents responsibility to teach their children things, why does it all have to fall on teachers and schools?? Too often these days the education system us blamed for failing made in the parenting. People just expect the schools to bring their children up!! Schools are there to further a chikds education. Life skills such as cooking and respect and budgeting etc should be taught by their parents. If you can't manage that should you really have kids? " I agree but a lot don't. And seeing as they aren't likely to change opinions any time soon then it would be more useful to ditch some of the more pointless subjects and teach things at school with homework to be done (the kids and their homework would prob end up teaching the parents a thing or two) x | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"For anyone interested, Tesco's currently have healthy mince on offer, 3 packs of 500g for a £10. If you shop 'cannily', you get some very good bargains. Did the same as you in our ASDA at the end of last year (2 x 3packs of lean mince), portioned it up before freezing and still have a couple left. All comes down to your own personal choice. If you choose the change you shopping/eating habits, then you will. If you don't.......
Yeah but then if you don't...don't moan about it!
"Exactly. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I didn't mean you as in the person I quoted....I meant you as in the wider society "I know hun, lol, totally see what you mean but plenty of parents just don't bother. The only chance kids have is to learn from school (not all kids obviously). I can't wait to teach my son to cook. I taught myself and love it x | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food." Simply not true, but it does take some imagination and work..think the key word is 'convenience' Obesity in the Western democracies is a product of affluence not poverty. The UK had food rationing for fourteen years post war..obesity wasn't a problem then! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"... it would be more useful to ditch some of the more pointless subjects and teach things at school with homework to be done " Strikes me that (healthy) cooking would be an ideal subject for practical homework... Then both the kids do their homework, and the parents might learn a thing or two... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion "Hummous  . Barf!! X | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"but not everyone has a local butcher.. we used to but don't anymore.. its supermarket only. and I only buy extra lean steak mince. It isnt cheap to buy good food.. its been a constant arguement I have had with people for a long time. Its just cheaper to by convenience food. Simply not true, but it does take some imagination and work..think the key word is 'convenience' Obesity in the Western democracies is a product of affluence not poverty. The UK had food rationing for fourteen years post war..obesity wasn't a problem then!" Just read that there is a proposal to reduce the sugar in drinks like Ribena and Lucozade by 10% to try and tackle obesity. During the rationing years there was no processed food such as we see now. Most food available was fresh bought and cooked. Society is so different now - just look at the power of advertising. Don't say that has no effect! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion "Jodie, I think that should read... "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to watch TOWIE, Corrie, Eastbenders, X-Factor etc unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummus.."
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"this lean mince evryones buying do we know what meats in it?" Shergar. Next question.. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"this lean mince evryones buying do we know what meats in it? Shergar. Next question.. "It must be rotten then after all this time! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X "Oi, us hummous lovers take exception to your barfing.. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X
Oi, us hummous lovers take exception to your barfing..
"It's like wallpaper paste!! X | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X
Oi, us hummous lovers take exception to your barfing..
It's like wallpaper paste!! X"Na.. just rolls off the spoon.. not worth being hung up about... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X
Oi, us hummous lovers take exception to your barfing..
It's like wallpaper paste!! X
Na..
just rolls off the spoon..
not worth being hung up about..." | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X
Oi, us hummous lovers take exception to your barfing..
It's like wallpaper paste!! X
Na..
just rolls off the spoon..
not worth being hung up about...
"i know..
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"OK - so is the concensus that if you are fat and poor it's your own fault? *hides behind sofa" I logged out ages ago as food subjects get me heated so couldn't possibly say
However in some cases yes
*turns into a snow person and hides* | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"OK - so is the concensus that if you are fat and poor it's your own fault? *hides behind sofa" I would say if you eat the wrong food it is your own fault. Now I am big, I eat the wrong food, I accept that, but, when I want to eat the right food 9 times out of 10 it isn't any dearer than processed... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"OK - so is the concensus that if you are fat and poor it's your own fault? *hides behind sofa I would say if you eat the wrong food it is your own fault. Now I am big, I eat the wrong food, I accept that, but, when I want to eat the right food 9 times out of 10 it isn't any dearer than processed... " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"OK - so is the concensus that if you are fat and poor it's your own fault? *hides behind sofa I logged out ages ago as food subjects get me heated so couldn't possibly say
However in some cases yes
*turns into a snow person and hides*"I just found it an interesting debate. I do think that people often do get caught up with only their own experience and may not recognise that other people's experiences are far far removed from their own. I work with so many poor and deprived families who are simply hopeless. They just do not have the skills needed to really feed their children properly. They are totally ignorant and unaware of what is in much of the food they buy. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Can't go wrong if its organinc! All the food I buy is organic! Not that expensive really! Mind you I only need to buy for one! " oh get you..... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I do not think obesity is ruled by class, however some people draw attention to themselves. You can get very smart well dressed obese women and then you can get the ones in leggings and muffin tops, which would you notice first? Some will choose to take their children to macdonalds, so would choose to take their children to nice restaurants. Being overweight i vowed id never have an overweight child. I bought him good food, ie fish, chicken even if i couldnt afford it myself. He went out to play ad didnt sit constantly on an exbox. Some people need educating and i think this should be taugt in schools. Not sure what they are called now, but when my son was at school they had tuturials every week which taught them about life in general. They could teach people how to look after their money, healthy options food, parents should also be responsible but sadly not all parents are educated. Some would give their children fried egg and chips another would use the same potato to bake and make egg mayonaise to go with it" I think though, in general, the lower the income the higher the rate of obesity. There will, of course, be exceptions - but they are exceptions. The pattern does seem to be that poorer people tend to be more overweight. As for teaching children in schools - schools have always tried to do this but the constraints of so many other things needing to be taught mean that it is not done well or sufficiently. And now that Gove is moving more towards the IBACC it is likely to occur much less. Additionally, I also feel that the TYPE of foods available and the ingredients which are usually obscured to many by 'scientific' terms (fructose, sucrose, glucose are all sugars but does everyone know that?) are a contributory factor. I think more transparency and accountability in the food industry, along with better education would be more beneficial. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Re schools and home economics etc. Maybe they ought to teach kids how to survive on benefits along with cooking skills etc.....seems most will be on benefits when older. But .......... re the weight issue... We all know how things work...eat to much and wham....you have a problem... Motivation is a great thing "But as I said before, its not just amounts, it's what is in food. One pound of apples is not the same as a pound of potatoes. Or shop bought lasagne. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
though my mum used to say it was chicken ..we had veggies from the garden and i guess this was instilled in me as i was growing up...my mother was a war baby so grew up on making something out of nothing.. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mum is the queen of making something healthy and filling out of nothing.. My mum used to buy the cheapest cuts of meat such as the saddle and ones that needed cooking for longer.. we also had a farmer friend that supplied us with pheasants and other meats..... even rabbit though my mum used to say it was chicken ..we had veggies from the garden and i guess this was instilled in me as i was growing up...my mother was a war baby so grew up on making something out of nothing.. "Sounds like your mother was big on organic food as well! Just like meee | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mum is the queen of making something healthy and filling out of nothing.. My mum used to buy the cheapest cuts of meat such as the saddle and ones that needed cooking for longer.. we also had a farmer friend that supplied us with pheasants and other meats..... even rabbit though my mum used to say it was chicken ..we had veggies from the garden and i guess this was instilled in me as i was growing up...my mother was a war baby so grew up on making something out of nothing.. "Same as my mom was , the only treat we had as in "cake" was on a saturday when she did the washing. We could look in the fridge and see nothing but she never failed to put a home made meal on the table every night with fresh home grown veg out of the garden. People dont have those skills anymore and if you listen to them.... they dont have any desire to have them or the knowledge in order to make things better | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X "Was going to make a predictable joke about you being me nauseous by off white, funny tasting paste-like substances. Thought better of it though. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
"Gonna start a crossover thread: "overweight people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can make a 3 course meal out of a bag of value pasta and some hummous" That should make for a good discussion
Hummous . Barf!! X
Was going to make a predictable joke about you being me nauseous by off white, funny tasting paste-like substances. Thought better of it though."You should of done! X | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"But that is not always possible. Offal used to be given away if asked for, my mum used to buy a sheeps head for sixpence and make a good stew. Many deprived areas don't even have a good butcher or a place to grow their own." window boxes...are good to grow things... though i agree..though a lot of urban cities have town farms where you can also buy veggies from and they take all income into consideration... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"But that is not always possible. Offal used to be given away if asked for, my mum used to buy a sheeps head for sixpence and make a good stew. Many deprived areas don't even have a good butcher or a place to grow their own. window boxes...are good to grow things... though i agree..though a lot of urban cities have town farms where you can also buy veggies from and they take all income into consideration..." | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mum is the queen of making something healthy and filling out of nothing.. My mum used to buy the cheapest cuts of meat such as the saddle and ones that needed cooking for longer.. we also had a farmer friend that supplied us with pheasants and other meats..... even rabbit though my mum used to say it was chicken ..we had veggies from the garden and i guess this was instilled in me as i was growing up...my mother was a war baby so grew up on making something out of nothing..
Sounds like your mother was big on organic food as well! Just like meee "they get eggs from a farm and free range chicken...etc so yeah they are...i believe with a bit of research and shopping about free range and organic produce are affordable to everyone if not most.. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mum is the queen of making something healthy and filling out of nothing.. My mum used to buy the cheapest cuts of meat such as the saddle and ones that needed cooking for longer.. we also had a farmer friend that supplied us with pheasants and other meats..... even rabbit though my mum used to say it was chicken ..we had veggies from the garden and i guess this was instilled in me as i was growing up...my mother was a war baby so grew up on making something out of nothing..
Sounds like your mother was big on organic food as well! Just like meee
they get eggs from a farm and free range chicken...etc so yeah they are...i believe with a bit of research and shopping about free range and organic produce are affordable to everyone if not most.."Spot on | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Is that why the check out aisles are wider in Aldi than in Waitrose ? "That made me chuckle | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Another thing is that people think that expensive cuts of meat are so much better than cheap cuts. I personally think that is wrong. Having worked in a butchers/deli I learned a lot about meat and thinks like brisket, lamb shoulder, chuck/blade steak are amazing and less than half the cost of sirloin/lamb leg etc. My slow cooker is an amazing thing, as a single mum of a 2 year old I can't stand in the kitchen for hours like I used to but it's not hard to throw some meat, veg and stock in first thing and ignore it all day. Cheap, quick, easy, very little washing up, healthy!! It's brilliant x " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! Yep - though I'm aware that it has the nutritional value of greasey cardboard, the real reason I don't eat at McDonalds is the price, and this is coming from a guy who eats three Big Macs at a time! I hate McD's or any of the other fast food places, I love homemade burgers, no grease or added whatever lol We also make a "KFC" from scratch, again far cheaper and much more tasty! I'm not sure this is entirely about fast food, but quality of food. Quality food doesn't equate to expensive food, all you need are basic ingredients and you can make anything! If you can! If you know how! Not everyone does!" Absolutely agree, I struggle with making homemade food as no 1 I cannot to especially the basic ingredients and no 2 I am not a good cook, certainly not confident. And its right what someone said that basic things were not taught in school and little has changed given my daughter had to make pizza and they were told to buy pizza bases!!! I am however trying and make a big pot of bolognese and freeze some, shepherds pie too, just need to get a nice recipe for fricassee and I will be doing okay | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I would be lost without my slow cooker....turns ordinary into succulant and tender "Presumably we are still talking food meat? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I would be lost without my slow cooker....turns ordinary into succulant and tender Presumably we are still talking food meat?"I slap everything in it | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"One of the best cookery books to get is jamies 15 minute meals..........everyone can do them. "You haven't met me then | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I would be lost without my slow cooker....turns ordinary into succulant and tender Presumably we are still talking food meat?
I slap everything in it "I would love to watch ...;-) | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"One of the best cookery books to get is jamies 15 minute meals..........everyone can do them.
You haven't met me then "gO on.betcha can | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I would be lost without my slow cooker....turns ordinary into succulant and tender Presumably we are still talking food meat?
I slap everything in it
I would love to watch ...;-)" | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I forgot to add that also I have two jobs, that can make things difficult too hence making foods for the freezer "Bulk cooking and freezing is a great idea and I always do it. Especially with things like bolognaise etc, its just as quick and easy to make a huge pan as it is one meal but will save valuable time when your rushing and can just grab a portion from the freezer x | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mum is the queen of making something healthy and filling out of nothing.. My mum used to buy the cheapest cuts of meat such as the saddle and ones that needed cooking for longer.. we also had a farmer friend that supplied us with pheasants and other meats..... even rabbit though my mum used to say it was chicken ..we had veggies from the garden and i guess this was instilled in me as i was growing up...my mother was a war baby so grew up on making something out of nothing..
Sounds like your mother was big on organic food as well! Just like meee
they get eggs from a farm and free range chicken...etc so yeah they are...i believe with a bit of research and shopping about free range and organic produce are affordable to everyone if not most..
Spot on "i still wobble though.... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Simple, tax hi-fat junk / convenience food. ................... " Osborne tried that with the ill fated pasty tax but, as usual, his incompetence intervened. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"a lot of the problem comes from people not being educated enough about what is and what is not healthy, also the suitable times to be eating certain food types. for instance take a small bar of chocolate, generally considered bad for you. however if eaten post workout can increase insulin levels and promote muscle growth." Its more simple than that. Eat a good, varied healthy diet and get off your ass and exercise. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"a lot of the problem comes from people not being educated enough about what is and what is not healthy, also the suitable times to be eating certain food types. for instance take a small bar of chocolate, generally considered bad for you. however if eaten post workout can increase insulin levels and promote muscle growth. Its more simple than that. Eat a good, varied healthy diet and get off your ass and exercise. " can't argue with that. lol | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"a lot of the problem comes from people not being educated enough about what is and what is not healthy, also the suitable times to be eating certain food types. for instance take a small bar of chocolate, generally considered bad for you. however if eaten post workout can increase insulin levels and promote muscle growth." That's not just the problem its also the plethora of advice and trying to wheedle out the rubbish from what really is true is just hard work | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Simple, tax hi-fat junk / convenience food.{quote} Use the tax income to subsidise healthy foods like fruit and vegetables; plus to lower the cost admission to public sports centers. [/quote Fruit and vegetables are cheaper than processed food, takeaways, pizzas biscuits, cakes...cost is not the problem! people choose the latter because they are convenient, and because they prefer them. High obesity levels in Western cultures a are product of affluence not poverty. To refuse to accept that, is an insult to the those that starve in the Third world..they really don't have a choice!!" Sorry, but I disagree. The cost of healthy foods is much higher. Compare the cost of say 4 fresh chicken breasts against a sack full of chicken nuggets that can feed a family of 4 three times over? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Just an observation of mine. When I was a child - I came from a very poor family - lots of my friends were very poor. There were many many children who were very thin through lack of food - some would have little to eat. A good schoolfriend of mine was one of 4 children and her mother used to use those packets of Batchelors dried soups. She would water it down enough for them all and give them bread to dip in it and to fill them up. I work in a school in a pretty deprived area where quite the majority of children are on free school meals. I have noticed that there are far more obese children (and I do not mean a bit chubby) than there every used to be. I wondered if, given the unhealthy nature of cheaper processed foods, this was becoming the norm for poorer children. We know now that manufacturers of processed foods use what is called 'high fructose corn syrup' to sweeten foods and give them flavour (and this applies also to so-called savoury items). They use this instead of sugar from cane as it is much cheaper and sweeter. However, studies have shown that 'high fructose corn syrup' actually makes people fatter than ordinary sugar in the way it works in the body - making it store more in the form of fat. Most people would not know this just looking at ingredients on packets. People may believe that they are feeding their children well on a budget but are not in reality. " You saying about the soup being watered down, we used to have an oxo cube in hot water and bread and that was when we got home from school | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Simple, tax hi-fat junk / convenience food.{quote} Use the tax income to subsidise healthy foods like fruit and vegetables; plus to lower the cost admission to public sports centers. [/quote Fruit and vegetables are cheaper than processed food, takeaways, pizzas biscuits, cakes...cost is not the problem! people choose the latter because they are convenient, and because they prefer them. High obesity levels in Western cultures a are product of affluence not poverty. To refuse to accept that, is an insult to the those that starve in the Third world..they really don't have a choice!! Sorry, but I disagree. The cost of healthy foods is much higher. Compare the cost of say 4 fresh chicken breasts against a sack full of chicken nuggets that can feed a family of 4 three times over? " Who mentioned chicken!..you quoted fruit and vegetables...and you have confirmed my point...tell me where you can buy a 'sackful' of nuggets to feed a family of four three times over, and why compare nuggets to chicken breasts the most expensive cut of chicken, clearly ridiculous. Go to Farmfoods and look at packets of two frozen sirloin steaks...it looks ok a bargain, until you look at the fine print..the price actually is around £8 pounds a pound..you can get a lot of healthy food for £8...Professor do your research. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"its true as unhealthy food is cheaper Not true at all, a healthy homemade for eg lasagne that would feed 8 is approx £8. A Mc Donalds would cost approx £24! But if you have no idea to cook a lasagne from scratch. Iceland do a lasagne that will feed 8-10 for £5. You don't want to even begin to imagine the crap that goes into it. " Vile party food Re the cost debate..I prefer to have one decent proper beef burger than two of those awful economy/value things..same goes for fish, sausages etc... That way you eat less, eat healthier and it costs about the same | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| back to top |  |
