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"And what numbers did they crunch to come to 50%? I like going into the office once or twice a week as a break from being at home but there's no reason we should penalise those working from home full time if the productivity is the same." Divide and conquer... | |||
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"Obviously not. The work is what's being paid for, and that's being done. The employer is not paying for the travel time, wear and tear on vehicles and clothing and equipment, extra daycare or any of the other expenses of going to office over working from home, so why should the employee be paid less?" Those are good point and yes and also as the employer isnt paying for the travel time | |||
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"And what numbers did they crunch to come to 50%? I like going into the office once or twice a week as a break from being at home but there's no reason we should penalise those working from home full time if the productivity is the same." I also wonder how he came up with the 50% and yes, it is also nice to get to the office to social with the work colleagues as well | |||
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"Hmmm, I'll have to ask the boss. . . . . . . Nope, quite happy to keep paying me the same wage, but suggests I spend some time working and not spending time on Fab. What a spoil sport. " Ps - I seem to be the boss. | |||
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"Than those who work at a office? I was watching a utube short of mullins, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZRjSVm4nfA He is saying that it should be a 2 way tier wage system, 50% less if you are working from home and those that are prepared to come to work, should be payed double. I dont think it is fair, because lets say that those who work from home and those at the office completes the same task, shouldnt be a difference in pay. What is your view about? " No. If anything, they should pay more. Companys are saving on the cost of office space and facilities. | |||
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"Who came up with this stupid idea? some half wit Tory i expect" Yep. It saves a fortune on office space provision. It just needs to be managed by people who can actually manage. | |||
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"No. Stupid idea. If anything, pay home workers more to cover their energy bills for the time spent working. And provide an allowance for proper furniture/equipment to ensure their health isn’t compromised. Next question?" This. Excuse me for a moment while I put my professional H&S hat on.. There are countless people working at home with inadequate equipment that's actually damaging their physical health and their general wellbeing. There's also a huge amount of evidence across many sectors that remote workers are actually unable to properly "switch off" from work as there's no division between home and work. Their stress levels are often higher as a result which can have implications on their physical health too. When I work remotely I'm often working longer hours, answering calls and emails at silly o'clock because it's there. I'm not paid to be on call though. Lastly, there is the isolation and the strain of home working on other relationships. I could go on and on. I think it's fantastic that many employers now adopt flexible working and when it works, it works really well but it's gotta work for both parties. | |||
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"Than those who work at a office? I was watching a utube short of mullins, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZRjSVm4nfA He is saying that it should be a 2 way tier wage system, 50% less if you are working from home and those that are prepared to come to work, should be payed double. I dont think it is fair, because lets say that those who work from home and those at the office completes the same task, shouldnt be a difference in pay. What is your view about? " No, you are paid for your skills. Plus more people working from home means less traffic etc, means I can get to work faster. | |||
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"No. Stupid idea. If anything, pay home workers more to cover their energy bills for the time spent working. And provide an allowance for proper furniture/equipment to ensure their health isn’t compromised. Next question? This. Excuse me for a moment while I put my professional H&S hat on.. There are countless people working at home with inadequate equipment that's actually damaging their physical health and their general wellbeing. There's also a huge amount of evidence across many sectors that remote workers are actually unable to properly "switch off" from work as there's no division between home and work. Their stress levels are often higher as a result which can have implications on their physical health too. When I work remotely I'm often working longer hours, answering calls and emails at silly o'clock because it's there. I'm not paid to be on call though. Lastly, there is the isolation and the strain of home working on other relationships. I could go on and on. I think it's fantastic that many employers now adopt flexible working and when it works, it works really well but it's gotta work for both parties. " Yes and yes again. There is data supporting that fact. More and. More remote or wfh workers are reporting mental health issues and burnout as the expectations are that they are more available. Some of it is self imposed because of the perception that you should be available. It’s an issue that hasn’t really been addressed yet Marc | |||
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"Than those who work at a office? I was watching a utube short of mullins, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZRjSVm4nfA He is saying that it should be a 2 way tier wage system, 50% less if you are working from home and those that are prepared to come to work, should be payed double. I dont think it is fair, because lets say that those who work from home and those at the office completes the same task, shouldnt be a difference in pay. What is your view about? " Just another attempt by shitty employers to pay their workers less. Bring on the fucking revolution. | |||
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"No. Stupid idea. If anything, pay home workers more to cover their energy bills for the time spent working. And provide an allowance for proper furniture/equipment to ensure their health isn’t compromised. Next question?" That is also right, they should get more allowance to get those things too | |||
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"No, you are paid for the skills/experience you provide The location has nothing to do with it. Work is what you do, not where you do it, And yes, there is a certain "priveledge" with some roles being able to be done remotely, some can't, but surely, anyone working from home is not adding another car to the streets, or taking up a bus seat. Sounds like a new attempt to divide the population and get them fighting one another." That is right as you are payed for the skills and experience, yes, it does sound like an divide attempt there. | |||
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"If something like this was to happen, it would encourage employers to force their employees to work from home, in order to pay less." That is very true! | |||
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"Than those who work at a office? I was watching a utube short of mullins, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZRjSVm4nfA He is saying that it should be a 2 way tier wage system, 50% less if you are working from home and those that are prepared to come to work, should be payed double. I dont think it is fair, because lets say that those who work from home and those at the office completes the same task, shouldnt be a difference in pay. What is your view about? " No, pay per work done. Next | |||
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"Than those who work at a office? I was watching a utube short of mullins, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZRjSVm4nfA He is saying that it should be a 2 way tier wage system, 50% less if you are working from home and those that are prepared to come to work, should be payed double. I dont think it is fair, because lets say that those who work from home and those at the office completes the same task, shouldnt be a difference in pay. What is your view about? " Nope. Companies should be more flexible to work with their employees' approach to getting the job done. Whilst it will suit some to be in the office on a daily basis, it doesn't work for others. COVID has highlighted that flexible/hybrid methodologies can work just as well, and companies should embrace that or risk losing staff. It costs far more to recruit and train new staff than it does to adapt in order to retain the existing workforce. Plus, they are able to save money on other overheads so it's a win win. | |||
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"There is a growing school of thought that says that if work can be done at home then that home could be anywhere therefore why not relocate the job to a cheaper country i.e. where staff hours are cheaper.. " Was going to make exactly this point. Many industries have been moved from the U.K. to lower cost countries. Shipbuilding, manufacturers and call centres to make a few. More companies are looking at offshoring jobs now that communication is pretty much the same whether you are in Bishopbriggs or Bangalore. Offshore remote workers might cost the company 25% of the cost of a U.K. person. Oh and AI is coming to get your job unless maybe you’re a dentist or a tradesman. But if you are one of those you’re not working from home anyway. | |||
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"No fucking way. I genuinely feel so much rage thinking about how much some workplaces can't stand the thought of people being comfortable at home. If the job is getting done as it does in the workplace then what is the big issue? It's like they want to suck the life out of you and work you to the fucking bone for the bare minimum." Like the people who work on ferries and cruise ships, that pay far less than the minimum (maximum-you'll-get-from-us-excuse-excuse-of-a-wage)? P&O anyone? | |||
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"Hell no. Due to not having enough room to have a proper office at-home, I had to convert an area in my house. I pay for my energy bills/internet/stationery etc, and get a very small tax allowance for working at home. Then you have to take in the fact of mental health issues that arise from the lack of socialising. " That is good points and yes, as one who works at home have to pay for those things too. | |||
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"No. Totally unfair, T works from home and I work in an office. We both have highly stressful jobs, but T doesn’t have to commute. Salary should entirely depend on the role, responsibilities, your capabilities and your performance (in my opinion). Mrs" You are right there as well, as salary should depend on that too | |||
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"Than those who work at a office? I was watching a utube short of mullins, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZRjSVm4nfA He is saying that it should be a 2 way tier wage system, 50% less if you are working from home and those that are prepared to come to work, should be payed double. I dont think it is fair, because lets say that those who work from home and those at the office completes the same task, shouldnt be a difference in pay. What is your view about? " It’s based on the assumption that working from home you do less. Which tbh is true for a lot of people I know. | |||
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"I work from home and my productivity is far higher than my colleagues who are office based. I may save on commuting costs but it costs a hell of a lot more in energy over the winter months, if you work in an office you don’t have that cost. I’m also a lot more flexible so if I client wants a meeting at 7am or 7pm it’s easily done. On top of all that my work/life balance is great which means I perform better when I am working, cos I’m happier in general than when I was office based. So why do I deserve 50% less? Thankfully my company does pay increases based on output and as mine is a lot higher than others, my wage increases are higher too and I actually earn more than my office based colleagues doing the same job. Mr " How can your work life balance be better if you’re working the same? Unless your commute was hours ? | |||
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"That’s the problem, where I live (slightly rural) the commute is so busy that it’s at least an hour to any of the local cities so I save the extra couple of hours a day. Plus not having to go into the office means I don’t have to waste time getting ready, simple shower and change. I can also take my kids to school and pick them up which I couldn’t do before and that extra time with them is great for me and them. Those couple of hours saved on commute make a big difference to me and my life. " Those are good points and yes as those couple of hours would make a big difference to you | |||
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"I have no idea why so much of management is obsessed with people being back in the office. " Because most management is poor management, and wedded to the idea that overseeing bums in seats in an office is "Managing". It's not. That's nursery care. To be fair, I wouldn't trust most managers with the latter either. | |||
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"No. Stupid idea. If anything, pay home workers more to cover their energy bills for the time spent working. And provide an allowance for proper furniture/equipment to ensure their health isn’t compromised. Next question?" | |||
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