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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Health and safety gone mad, which is why they have closed 500+ schools because of the snow...

what a load of tosh....

They never closed when i was a kid....

And them in scotland have it worse and only 30 schools closed...

reckon the teachers look outside in the morning and think.....sod it.

disgracful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tell me about it.

waking up with the bedside drink frozen, no central heating. walking 3 miles to school in the snow, getting soaked to the skin. Sitting in class next to the radiator steaming as you dry off.

Oh god, i am my father......

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Listened to this on the radio the other day.

Why do people think that teachers make the decision?

Do the car assembly workers decide to shut Fords for the day ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My mother works in a school. She got a text message this morning telling her not to bother coming in, despite the fact that one teacher had already made her commute from Nottingham.

Some schools are listed as closed, but open for exams. How's that work?

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

The head master at my daughters school has bought a snow plough to prevent him from closing the school

This is good but is he going to go and pick all the teachers up in it that can't get there

I think there has to be a safe ratio between teacher and pupils for a school to remain open? im sure ill be told if im wrong about that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They did at leyland in the 70's lol.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

When schools close it isn't for the teachers. Or any other staff come to that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ours was open today but all the others were shut. The other schools shut because the teachers can't get there, not because of any health and safety issue. We are lucky that our teachers all live locally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When schools close it isn't for the teachers. Or any other staff come to that

I think it is a decision made by the local authorities and the head teacher etc. of the school.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The head master at my daughters school has bought a snow plough to prevent him from closing the school

This is good but is he going to go and pick all the teachers up in it that can't get there

I think there has to be a safe ratio between teacher and pupils for a school to remain open? im sure ill be told if im wrong about that"

Schools close to make sure that pupils get home safely. Teachers go to school and if the pupils are sent home they take work home with them.

No teacher has the power to close a school.

It's the head acting on the advice of the L.E.A.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The chap on the news today said it was up to the head teacher and not local councils....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I meant the teachers take work home with them.

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"Listened to this on the radio the other day.

Why do people think that teachers make the decision?

Do the car assembly workers decide to shut Fords for the day ?

teachers make the decison at our school, and he has a civil case against from two years ago, and he still has the school open in worse ever conditiobs

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The chap on the news today said it was up to the head teacher and not local councils....

The head makes the decision for their own school based on L.E.A advice.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

teachers don't make the decision most of them dread missing a day of teaching because it puts them behind with the syllabus.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"The head master at my daughters school has bought a snow plough to prevent him from closing the school

This is good but is he going to go and pick all the teachers up in it that can't get there

I think there has to be a safe ratio between teacher and pupils for a school to remain open? im sure ill be told if im wrong about that

Schools close to make sure that pupils get home safely. Teachers go to school and if the pupils are sent home they take work home with them.

No teacher has the power to close a school.

It's the head acting on the advice of the L.E.A.

Thank you,I would never think that any school would choose to close becasue they all want to have a fun snow day

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

He also said the schools were worried about being sued if a kid hurt themselves in the snow....

hence closure

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Listened to this on the radio the other day.

Why do people think that teachers make the decision?

Do the car assembly workers decide to shut Fords for the day ?

teachers make the decison at our school, and he has a civil case against from two years ago, and he still has the school open in worse ever conditiobs

A teacher has no authority to close a school.

If im honest i don't understand any of your post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Health and safety gone mad, which is why they have closed 500+ schools because of the snow...

what a load of tosh....

They never closed when i was a kid....

And them in scotland have it worse and only 30 schools closed...

reckon the teachers look outside in the morning and think.....sod it.

disgracful.

In our area teachers looked outside last night, we got texts yesterday to say schools closed.

Way I see it if cars can drive on roads, people can walk on paths (carefully and in sensible footwear), everyone can get to work, then teachers should get to school and teach kids. Will they make up a days education to our kids, no. Are they legally obliged to educate our children, yes.

No genuine reason for any school in my area to be closed today

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"He also said the schools were worried about being sued if a kid hurt themselves in the snow....

hence closure

If transport goes off parents can't get to school to pick kids up and those kids going home on buses etc can't get home and it all takes place in the dark.

The media and ignorant people will always think that some teacher just goes...... oh look at the snow , gosh im a lily livered spoiled princess I'll tell all the kids to stay home...... cos it makes better reading and gives the nasty something to blame others for.

It's called safeguarding children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the kids are out playing in the snow unsupervised where is the health and safety there.

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By *picenicelyCouple
over a year ago

third star on the right

"The head master at my daughters school has bought a snow plough to prevent him from closing the school

This is good but is he going to go and pick all the teachers up in it that can't get there

I think there has to be a safe ratio between teacher and pupils for a school to remain open? im sure ill be told if im wrong about that"

Correct. My sons school was closed today since they did not have adequate staffing. Its a decision made by management & governors and what is deemed to be safest for all concerned.

Some schools closed at lunch incase parents were unable to collect children in ice/snow. Schools must balance the childrens welfare outdoors e.g since on a normal lunch time perhaps 15 children need first aid which requires at least one staff member this number (of staff and accidents) increases during snow/ice therefore more injuries and more staff needed.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Health and safety gone mad, which is why they have closed 500+ schools because of the snow...

what a load of tosh....

They never closed when i was a kid....

And them in scotland have it worse and only 30 schools closed...

reckon the teachers look outside in the morning and think.....sod it.

disgracful.

In our area teachers looked outside last night, we got texts yesterday to say schools closed.

No genuine reason for any school in my area to be closed today"

Teachers get the text sent to them too. They DO NOT make the decision to close the school and those that do are acting in the interests of the pupils.

No one can tell how deep the snow will get or how icy it will get.

The teachers DO go to schools. They get sent home or stay to work in schools without children in them.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"All the kids are out playing in the snow unsupervised where is the health and safety there."

In the hands of their parents.

For some funny reason parents don't sue themselves

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"teachers don't make the decision most of them dread missing a day of teaching because it puts them behind with the syllabus.

Correct. Any teacher I know or any in my family are committed to education and don't like the children being away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the kids are out playing in the snow unsupervised where is the health and safety there."

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"teachers don't make the decision most of them dread missing a day of teaching because it puts them behind with the syllabus.

Correct. Any teacher I know or any in my family are committed to education and don't like the children being away. "

Exactly, I really dislike a whole profession being dissed like this without actually knowing the facts. There are good teachers there are bad teachers but most of them wouldn't close a school unless there was very good reason even if they did have the power.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

It's quite odd to me that people think that pupils live in walking distance from their schools.

I used to live four miles from mine. When the bus strikes went on all those years ago I never went to school for weeks.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

And no ... no one had cars.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I lived 15 miles from my school and we all had to stay at prefects houses one night when it snowed lol. Those were the days no such thing as CRB checks put 11 and 12 year old girls anywhere

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Im off for a cuppa ......

This might interest some ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21119186

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What, a bit of snow is a good reason, I don't think so. Others schools in nearby villages were open, they had same amount of snow. If it was a government h&sthing, every town and village affected by snow would have had enforced school closures, instead it was random, thus, I would suggest that decision lies at the head of a school. Is a head teacher not a teacher these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The head master at my daughters school has bought a snow plough to prevent him from closing the school

This is good but is he going to go and pick all the teachers up in it that can't get there

I think there has to be a safe ratio between teacher and pupils for a school to remain open? im sure ill be told if im wrong about that

Schools close to make sure that pupils get home safely. Teachers go to school and if the pupils are sent home they take work home with them.

No teacher has the power to close a school.

It's the head acting on the advice of the L.E.A.

Dont think this is true, my daughters school closed Friday, sent home with letter to say school likely to be closed today and texts will be sent out Sunday night. She was not sent home with work to do.

Why would local education shut 3 schools in my village, but allow 4 to open in the next village 1.5 miles away.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Health and safety gone mad, which is why they have closed 500+ schools because of the snow...

what a load of tosh....

They never closed when i was a kid....

And them in scotland have it worse and only 30 schools closed...

reckon the teachers look outside in the morning and think.....sod it.

disgracful.

Don't blame the teachers - they are not the ones who make those decisions. And I think you will also find that they are often expected to be in anyway, if they can get there, and work on planning, etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He also said the schools were worried about being sued if a kid hurt themselves in the snow....

hence closure

I heard same news report which stated school head makes decision to close not local education authority.

Like I mentioned earlier if it was LEA all local schools would be closed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im off for a cuppa ......

This might interest some ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21119186"

Good article.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ill informed contributions equal non sensical narrow minded responses to a narrow minded ignorant post,

best wishes and much love a swinging teacher xx

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"ill informed contributions equal non sensical narrow minded responses to a narrow minded ignorant post,

best wishes and much love a swinging teacher xx"

Yes but did you go into today though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"tell me about it.

waking up with the bedside drink frozen, no central heating. walking 3 miles to school in the snow, getting soaked to the skin. Sitting in class next to the radiator steaming as you dry off.

Oh god, i am my father......

walk 3 miles in the snow and then sit by a radiator - you had it easy

we had to walk 5 miles to school in't snow get sprayed with icy water and sit by open window. Then walk 10 miles home again and be bloody grateful for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"tell me about it.

waking up with the bedside drink frozen, no central heating. walking 3 miles to school in the snow, getting soaked to the skin. Sitting in class next to the radiator steaming as you dry off.

Oh god, i am my father......

walk 3 miles in the snow and then sit by a radiator - you had it easy

we had to walk 5 miles to school in't snow get sprayed with icy water and sit by open window. Then walk 10 miles home again and be bloody grateful for it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we were kids we loved walking to and from school in the snow, made an event of it.

Break time we made ice slides in the playgrounds, if the heating packed up we sat in our coats.

Our schools were never closed because our teachers lived in similar housing to ourselves and walked to school if need be.

These days many teachers are on comparatively more money than back then, so they buy fancy houses out in the sticks miles from school so can't get in if it snows.

XXXX

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"When we were kids we loved walking to and from school in the snow, made an event of it.

Break time we made ice slides in the playgrounds, if the heating packed up we sat in our coats.

Our schools were never closed because our teachers lived in similar housing to ourselves and walked to school if need be.

These days many teachers are on comparatively more money than back then, so they buy fancy houses out in the sticks miles from school so can't get in if it snows.

XXXX"

brought to you courtesy of sweeping generalisations R us

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The teachers DO go to schools. They get sent home or stay to work in schools without children in them. "

You might want to put in SOME teachers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My kids school was closed today and I was glad,really didn't fancy the drive and then the fight for the parking space (I'm not walking distance) and then the risk of falling on my arse while walking on the ungritted paths.

A couple of days off won't cause any harm to their education surely?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

no a couple of days off wont cause any harm at all.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Lots of vested interest on this thread! I think we may have got the message, Granny!

Fact is, the schools are closed on H & S grounds. Spurious H & S grounds at that! The decision may be made by the head teacher, but it is the parents who have to pick up the bill for a decision like that!

I also don't like the insinuation that our parents were any less concious of the dangers we faced. We went to school on some much worse weather than this and made it home OK. Kids these days are told to take the day off and what do a lot of them do? Play outside in the snow in way more dangerous conditions than would be found in a school!

Teachers can't get to school so not enough teachers to meet requirements? I don't believe it. As with any business, if I take the job, I agree to get there on time and when contracted to do so. If I take a job well out of the area and have problems, that is something I have to sort! If they can't get in, perhaps they have to ask themselves why they took the job!

It would be interesting to find out just how many schools have been sued after accidents in snowy weather....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lots of vested interest on this thread! I think we may have got the message, Granny!

It would be interesting to find out just how many schools have been sued after accidents in snowy weather...."

Where there's blame there's a claim

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"These days many teachers are on comparatively more money than back then, so they buy fancy houses out in the sticks miles from school so can't get in if it snows.

XXXX"

LOL. I am sure they are rattling around in 5 bedroom mansions on their £20k a year.

There are several reasons for a school to close, one of the main ones is whether the pupils can actually get there. My daughters old school had a lot of pupils from small villages and if the school bus company elected to stop their buses then how are the kids supposed to get there? Walk 20 miles?

Each school, both primary and secondary, has a varied catchment. One school might have a very local population and so won't have to close, whereas another might have 70% of their pupils from miles away, and so will close.

As for the person saying that the schools are open for exams, thats because if the kids don't take those exams at a set time, then they can't take them. With internet and mobile phones available there is no way that some can be postponed with fair results.

None of this is H&S gone mad, or lazy teachers. Its common sense!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"teachers don't make the decision most of them dread missing a day of teaching because it puts them behind with the syllabus.

Correct. Any teacher I know or any in my family are committed to education and don't like the children being away. "

Thanks for saying everything on this post that i wanted to say about LEA, heads, h/s etc.

After reading peoples responses i would read yours and be thankful i didnt have to type the exact same thing! Glad to know someone's talking sense!

Lucy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The head teacher makes the decision. This is based upon staff and pupils being able to attend. There is also a consideration that if they are open and only 40% of the pupils attend it reflects badly on the school attendance!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My youngest school was closed due to the fact you could barely walk to it.

The teenagers wasn't. But they sent a text saying school open but parents decision to send children or not.

I kept them off. My disabled daughter couldn't go anyway as taxi couldn't get to us to pick her up. Then at 12 I get a text saying schools shutting at 1.

Tomorrow I think they are all at school

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I wonder if anyone has ever collated numbers on the relationship between parents who greet about schools being closed, kids needing to be kept at home and parents being unable to go to work - and parents who happily take their weans out of school in term time 'cos holidays are cheaper then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IT's snowing, let the kids have a day off to play in it... geeze I never went to school in the snow, mind you I did grow up 3 miles from nearest village and 20 miles from school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The head teacher makes the decision. This is based upon staff and pupils being able to attend. There is also a consideration that if they are open and only 40% of the pupils attend it reflects badly on the school attendance!!!!!"

educated informed response yay!

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