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By *nnie2009 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

i think its digusting that they want to put lottery up to £2 a line, anyone else think this way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure there are many who think that way. I'm not one of them though.

The quirky thing about it though is that you have a choice to pay the new price, or not. Wierd that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone worked out how much a National Lottery ticket would be if the price had kept up with inflation?

crystal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone worked out how much a National Lottery ticket would be if the price had kept up with inflation?

crystal"

£1.68

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"i think its digusting that they want to put lottery up to £2 a line, anyone else think this way?"
how many times has the price risen since it started ?

its in line with inflation ffs

oh and bet you happily pay up your £2 for your euromillions every time

if your not happy dont buy it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

the cost of staying in that exclusive sail hotel in Dubai is not cheap either..

hence i wont be staying there..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...my only surprise is that it didn't happen sooner.

As soon as people got into the habit of religiously using the same numbers and not being able to miss a week 'just in case' they came up.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone worked out how much a National Lottery ticket would be if the price had kept up with inflation?

crystal

£1.68"

Thanks Wishy

So the price increase is a little above inflation, but it is a choice purchase-we don't have to participate.

How does their other changes compare to inflation? £10 increased to £25...

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By *ackandkateCouple
over a year ago

Truro

Never bought a £1 ticket and I'm pretty sure I wont buy a £2 one either.

Kate buys ours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The most popular set of numbers that are used are;

1,2,3,4,5,6

If you use them and they come up you will get 1/6000 of the jackpot (approx)

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

goodness me its a bit sharp in here tonight.

I tend to agree with the OP, I think its a bit rough to double the price of a lottery ticket, and im sure some people will stop buying them. But, then again that means better odds for those who do buy.

I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better. "

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you "

The Euro lottery isn't up to £2.50 now, it is still £2.00 a line

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By *padger1066Man
over a year ago

Out and about

I will still play it - it's the only charity donation I give - and although the lottery committee has spent it on some shite - it has provided plenty of help to people and organisations in my area - so as long as they increase the charity fund then I'm ok with it x

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the operating costs have likely risen to a point that charitable donations and the jackpot figures impacted to a point that they are damaging the brand/revenues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you "

No it isn't.

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us. "

£25 here is a meal out, taxi home and few drinks too (Im a cheap date lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us. "

Agreed. I've always thought there was too much disparity between the lower prizes and the jackpot.

£25.00 for three numbers is fair enough.

Some people like to moan about any and everything though, so it's to be expected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

£25 here is a meal out, taxi home and few drinks too (Im a cheap date lol) "

What can I say? Mr Wheels can eat!!!

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you "
I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you

I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!"

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you

I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore)."
no were not were in our third dip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The euro how up to £2.50 a line too and all the prize values are bein decreased too bit of a rip but that's the recession for you

I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

no were not were in our third dip "

Oh well, at least if we're in a third dip it'll keep house prices low and that gives me a bit more time to save up and buy some property on the cheap.

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By *eal_Dick_TurpinMan
over a year ago

Exeter


"no were not were in our third dip "

if only it were that good..

not wishing to break any policy on links..

google the publication "Money Week" then look at the article The End of Britain.

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore)."
So many people talk cack and am afraid to say you also do. Check out the Nigel Adkins thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no were not were in our third dip

if only it were that good..

not wishing to break any policy on links..

google the publication "Money Week" then look at the article The End of Britain.

"

I've just read the article from start to finish and I have to say that it is one of the better crafted pieces of bullshit I've come across.

It makes no mention of the fact that the EU countries are desperate for Britain to adopt the Euro and our govt are insisting on financial reform before we do, yet to join the EU there are very strict policies in place to prevent countries 'cooking their books' like Ireland did to gain entry, but MoneyWeek would have us believe that we're sinking under £5trn of accumulated debt. The EU wouldn't want us if they knew we brought that much debt to the party.

And then, right at the end of the article, when it has tried to scare the shit out of anyone who reads it, it offers a 'lifeline'. Buy our crummy rag for £90 a year and WE'LL SAVE YOU!

It is tried and trusted sales tactics and only someone who has seen that drivel before will recognise it as such.

Here's the bottom line:

If the state of the UKs finances pan out exactly like they are predicting they can kiss goodbye to their magazine for a start as nobody will be able to buy the damn thing. And if we're in as dire a position as they claim we are it would be in their own self interest to get that message out to as many as possible as quickly as possible, and that means doing it for free, and selflessly.

I believe this govt offers our best hope for digging ourselves out of the mess we're in. If we'd have voted Brown back in he would have gone an another spending spree to stave off the recession he denied was coming. He said openly that we needed to keep spending. He was wrong. MoneyWeek are wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

So many people talk cack and am afraid to say you also do. Check out the Nigel Adkins thread. "

Already read it, thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us. "

where do u eat for £25 for 2??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Play / Dont Play.

Its still cheaper than a packet of cigarettes and the payout is better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

where do u eat for £25 for 2?? "

La Tasca are always doing deals for £10, so two people can eat well for £20 and then a fiver for a couple of drinks.

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

So many people talk cack and am afraid to say you also do. Check out the Nigel Adkins thread.

Already read it, thanks."
So you understand what I am referring to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

where do u eat for £25 for 2??

La Tasca are always doing deals for £10, so two people can eat well for £20 and then a fiver for a couple of drinks."

am eating at the wrong places then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

So many people talk cack and am afraid to say you also do. Check out the Nigel Adkins thread.

Already read it, thanks.

So you understand what I am referring to?"

Yes I understand what you're referring to but you've made the mistake of thinking I give a shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

where do u eat for £25 for 2??

La Tasca are always doing deals for £10, so two people can eat well for £20 and then a fiver for a couple of drinks.

am eating at the wrong places then "

Loads of pubs do buy one get one free on main dishes or curry/steak nights. That kinda thing does me!

I don't always go for a three course either-I find that always helps to add to the costs very quickly!

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland


"no were not were in our third dip

if only it were that good..

not wishing to break any policy on links..

google the publication "Money Week" then look at the article The End of Britain.

I've just read the article from start to finish and I have to say that it is one of the better crafted pieces of bullshit I've come across.

It makes no mention of the fact that the EU countries are desperate for Britain to adopt the Euro and our govt are insisting on financial reform before we do, yet to join the EU there are very strict policies in place to prevent countries 'cooking their books' like Ireland did to gain entry, but MoneyWeek would have us believe that we're sinking under £5trn of accumulated debt. The EU wouldn't want us if they knew we brought that much debt to the party.

And then, right at the end of the article, when it has tried to scare the shit out of anyone who reads it, it offers a 'lifeline'. Buy our crummy rag for £90 a year and WE'LL SAVE YOU!

It is tried and trusted sales tactics and only someone who has seen that drivel before will recognise it as such.

Here's the bottom line:

If the state of the UKs finances pan out exactly like they are predicting they can kiss goodbye to their magazine for a start as nobody will be able to buy the damn thing. And if we're in as dire a position as they claim we are it would be in their own self interest to get that message out to as many as possible as quickly as possible, and that means doing it for free, and selflessly.

I believe this govt offers our best hope for digging ourselves out of the mess we're in. If we'd have voted Brown back in he would have gone an another spending spree to stave off the recession he denied was coming. He said openly that we needed to keep spending. He was wrong. MoneyWeek are wrong."

And Cameron and crew are right?

Spending has almost doubled under this government it is now out of control.

As regards the lottery if anyone thinks £2 is too expensive for a ticket keep it in your pocket.

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By *eal_Dick_TurpinMan
over a year ago

Exeter


"

And then, right at the end of the article, when it has tried to scare the shit out of anyone who reads it, it offers a 'lifeline'. Buy our crummy rag for £90 a year and WE'LL SAVE YOU!

It is tried and trusted sales tactics and only someone who has seen that drivel before will recognise it as such."

Trust me, NOBODY who reads it is ever going to be under any impression other than MW seeking subs.

Nevertheless, the article quotes hard empirical facts, you may not like them, you may not feel they are important, and you are entitled to your own opinions, you are not however entitled to your own facts.

You may have an ***opinion*** on why the EU might or might not want the UK.

If you are a senior civil servant, you may even posses a few facts about why the EU does / not want the UK in the euro.

You are not however entitled to your own facts, such as the ratio of GDP to debt etc etc.... or the fact that no society in human history with a relative debt burden so high has ever managed to avoid total financial collapse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We won't know if Cameron and Osbourne are right until we either get out of this mess or Britain Plc goes out of business. I just know that under Brown it was an inevitability, with the current govt there's still hope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

where do u eat for £25 for 2??

La Tasca are always doing deals for £10, so two people can eat well for £20 and then a fiver for a couple of drinks.

am eating at the wrong places then

Loads of pubs do buy one get one free on main dishes or curry/steak nights. That kinda thing does me!

I don't always go for a three course either-I find that always helps to add to the costs very quickly!"

aye, very true. will have to look up some of these places

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

So many people talk cack and am afraid to say you also do. Check out the Nigel Adkins thread.

Already read it, thanks.

So you understand what I am referring to?

Yes I understand what you're referring to but you've made the misgtake of thinking I give a shit."
I haven't made that mistake of thinking you give a shit. My point was about hypocrisy but obviously lost on you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

And then, right at the end of the article, when it has tried to scare the shit out of anyone who reads it, it offers a 'lifeline'. Buy our crummy rag for £90 a year and WE'LL SAVE YOU!

It is tried and trusted sales tactics and only someone who has seen that drivel before will recognise it as such.

Trust me, NOBODY who reads it is ever going to be under any impression other than MW seeking subs.

Nevertheless, the article quotes hard empirical facts, you may not like them, you may not feel they are important, and you are entitled to your own opinions, you are not however entitled to your own facts.

You may have an ***opinion*** on why the EU might or might not want the UK.

If you are a senior civil servant, you may even posses a few facts about why the EU does / not want the UK in the euro.

You are not however entitled to your own facts, such as the ratio of GDP to debt etc etc.... or the fact that no society in human history with a relative debt burden so high has ever managed to avoid total financial collapse."

Ok, I accept your argument. Facts are facts, but they can also be interpreted in different ways, as politicans have been doing for years.

Let's take one point in that article: the NHS. MoneyWeek suggests that by privatising the NHS the UK could stave off the impending disaster. Why hasn't the govt done just that if the 'facts' are available to all?

Dragging us into the Euro would be financial suicide, and trying to spend our way out of trouble will do the exact same thing. IF interest rates rise in the near future, we will find it hard ot borrow money at levels that are affordable, but the flip side of that coin is the people lending it need to keep lending lend it or it screws up their own financial models. MW doesn't say who these lenders are though. The Americans? Nope, they're as skint as we are. Japan? Nope, they're in the same boat. China? They're a powerhouse sure, but their growth has slowed too so they're not invincible. France? Germany? Anyone? It's all non-existent money and if the crisis predicted by MW does actually hit like they say it's going to then all that will happen is every country in the world will be affected by it. The rich will be plundered for their wealth, and the smart people will find the little nooks and crannies to position themselves into while they wait for the inevitable upturn.

Nothing can perpetually fall, and nothing can perpetually rise. It's just the money that changes hands.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Great news folks we are no longer in a recession, I do hope this is fact and not the delusional and blinkered _iew of anyone that can see no wrong in Tory governments past or present.

Will still buy £2 lottery with the slim hope that I win and can stick two fingers up to working for a living.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand why some people talk cack!!

Me too. But regardless of whether the lotto prizes have been adjusted, it's got bugger all to do with the recession (which technically we're not in anymore).

So many people talk cack and am afraid to say you also do. Check out the Nigel Adkins thread.

Already read it, thanks.

So you understand what I am referring to?

Yes I understand what you're referring to but you've made the misgtake of thinking I give a shit.

I haven't made that mistake of thinking you give a shit. My point was about hypocrisy but obviously lost on you. "

Look 'chum', I made a post about what I thought about the state of Southampton and the furore about it's fans/manager blah blah blah, and that's all it is, an opinion. If you don't like what I say, fine, I really don't give a flying fuck about what you like and don't like.

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"Look 'chum', I made a post about what I thought about the state of Southampton and the furore about it's fans/manager blah blah blah, and that's all it is, an opinion. If you don't like what I say, fine, I really don't give a flying fuck about what you like and don't like."
'Chum' you still don't get it. It wasn't about opinions it was about facts. You made a rickett about points gained which if you check you'll find to be incorrect. Simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look 'chum', I made a post about what I thought about the state of Southampton and the furore about it's fans/manager blah blah blah, and that's all it is, an opinion. If you don't like what I say, fine, I really don't give a flying fuck about what you like and don't like.

'Chum' you still don't get it. It wasn't about opinions it was about facts. You made a rickett about points gained which if you check you'll find to be incorrect. Simples "

You want to haggle over three points?

Ok, fair enough, Southampton will probably need them come May. I didn't really care if they stayed up or not previously, but now I want them to get relegated, along with Wigan and Reading.

Sheesh. Pedantry is alive and well on the south coast I see.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Going away for a year and not going to have access to the internet really going to miss the forums and the differing _iews.

No ill will to those whose _iews I don't agree with.

Got one more shot at the lottery jackpot so I don't have to go.

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By *eal_Dick_TurpinMan
over a year ago

Exeter


"The rich will be plundered for their wealth, and the smart people will find the little nooks and crannies to position themselves into while they wait for the inevitable upturn.

Nothing can perpetually fall, and nothing can perpetually rise. It's just the money that changes hands."

I believe that the MW writers assume that everyone reading the article is a student of history, so for MW many things do not need to be stated, eg who the lenders are, and what happens when financial systems collapse.

To them this is as obvious as "if you are wearing clothes soaked in gasoline, it's not a good idea to have a smoke" is to you.

to whit

Land war in europe, on a scale not seen since 1945.

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"'Chum' you still don't get it. It wasn't about opinions it was about facts. You made a rickett about points gained which if you check you'll find to be incorrect. Simples

You want to haggle over three points?

Ok, fair enough, Southampton will probably need them come May. I didn't really care if they stayed up or not previously, but now I want them to get relegated, along with Wigan and Reading.

Sheesh. Pedantry is alive and well on the south coast I see."
What is misquoting facts to do with pedantry? I am amazed (not really) that by throwing out a supposed insult somehow absolves the fact that a mistake has been made. Btw I also hope SFC are now relegated - not for the fans but the owner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The rich will be plundered for their wealth, and the smart people will find the little nooks and crannies to position themselves into while they wait for the inevitable upturn.

Nothing can perpetually fall, and nothing can perpetually rise. It's just the money that changes hands.

I believe that the MW writers assume that everyone reading the article is a student of history, so for MW many things do not need to be stated, eg who the lenders are, and what happens when financial systems collapse.

To them this is as obvious as "if you are wearing clothes soaked in gasoline, it's not a good idea to have a smoke" is to you.

to whit

Land war in europe, on a scale not seen since 1945.

"

Another war in Europe? You're kidding right. MW are playing on your fears and asking you for your money to tell you the hidden answers that only they know, but you can be sure of one thing: if they know, so do others and I don't see alarmist publications like that pile of junk in abundance. Moneymen use it to a degree to scare the wit out of people with money so that they can make money from them.

Interestingly, when you get to the bottom of that article MW says they'll send you a free publication telling you where to put your stash of cash, but it assumes you're sitting on a huge pile of money and you need ot move it. It cannot possibly be intended for the average joe with £5k or less in the bank and a hefty mortgage, or those with even less. It is aimed at people with hundreds of thousands of pounds and I'm pretty sure that people that rich have already got money stahsed away offshore or an emergency fund somewhere safe, if anywhere will be safe according to MW.

Nowhere will be safe if there's another war in Europe though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am amazed (not really) that by throwing out a supposed insult somehow absolves the fact that a mistake has been made. Btw I also hope SFC are now relegated - not for the fans but the owner."

ok, whatever you say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...thread gone sour...

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By *eal_Dick_TurpinMan
over a year ago

Exeter


"

Another war in Europe? You're kidding right. "

Nope.

Nor is the archduke ferdinand... ;*)

This shit it always unthinkable, until the day you wake up to it happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont know why this forum has gone on to politics i know macred is a union guy and loves labour through other posts. At the end of the day, the government were voted in by us lot. End of, its called a democracy. Also £2 for a lottery is fair enough, i dont think it has gone up since it started. Oh and basically its just a betting stake. Dont like it, dont bet!

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

2 quid...tch...go on then...if it gives me a smidgen of winning millions

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Any kind of war in Europe is extremely unlikely, for one reason, none of the countries there can afford to go to war.

I dont mean in a financial sense, although that would be bad enough, but in the sense that a war in Europe would see the antagonist crushed, the infrastructure smashed, and then their country occupied for many years by "peacekeepers". Their whole national identity would be defined by this one action, and no-one can afford politically to instigate this.

Civil war is possible, but again unlikely, unless a particular ruling government becomes too drachonian in its dealings with its own population, in which case its neighbours would probably (politically) "have a word" about them de-stabilising the area etc, and no doubt lean heavily on them to get their house in order.

War via remote... in countries no-one really gives a toss about is much more likely, as has been demonstrated in places such as Libya etc.

So long as these countries continue to fall to regimes that are more favourable to the West, then they will be left to their own devices, but sooner or later a strong, anti-west faction will make a move, and then "we" (the west, either Europe or America) will have to either prop up the ailing regime, (Afghanistan), take direct action (Iraq), or support someone else (financially or militarialy) that will do the job (Mali). Increasingly, due to poor public support in fighting "other peoples wars" we may end up funding other countries to do our dirty work.

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over a year ago


"Any kind of war in Europe is extremely unlikely, for one reason, none of the countries there can afford to go to war.

I dont mean in a financial sense, although that would be bad enough, but in the sense that a war in Europe would see the antagonist crushed, the infrastructure smashed, and then their country occupied for many years by "peacekeepers". Their whole national identity would be defined by this one action, and no-one can afford politically to instigate this.

Civil war is possible, but again unlikely, unless a particular ruling government becomes too drachonian in its dealings with its own population, in which case its neighbours would probably (politically) "have a word" about them de-stabilising the area etc, and no doubt lean heavily on them to get their house in order.

War via remote... in countries no-one really gives a toss about is much more likely, as has been demonstrated in places such as Libya etc.

So long as these countries continue to fall to regimes that are more favourable to the West, then they will be left to their own devices, but sooner or later a strong, anti-west faction will make a move, and then "we" (the west, either Europe or America) will have to either prop up the ailing regime, (Afghanistan), take direct action (Iraq), or support someone else (financially or militarialy) that will do the job (Mali). Increasingly, due to poor public support in fighting "other peoples wars" we may end up funding other countries to do our dirty work.

"

Basically. This.

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over a year ago


"no were not were in our third dip

if only it were that good..

not wishing to break any policy on links..

google the publication "Money Week" then look at the article The End of Britain.

I've just read the article from start to finish and I have to say that it is one of the better crafted pieces of bullshit I've come across.

It makes no mention of the fact that the EU countries are desperate for Britain to adopt the Euro and our govt are insisting on financial reform before we do, yet to join the EU there are very strict policies in place to prevent countries 'cooking their books' like Ireland did to gain entry, but MoneyWeek would have us believe that we're sinking under £5trn of accumulated debt. The EU wouldn't want us if they knew we brought that much debt to the party.

And then, right at the end of the article, when it has tried to scare the shit out of anyone who reads it, it offers a 'lifeline'. Buy our crummy rag for £90 a year and WE'LL SAVE YOU!

It is tried and trusted sales tactics and only someone who has seen that drivel before will recognise it as such.

Here's the bottom line:

If the state of the UKs finances pan out exactly like they are predicting they can kiss goodbye to their magazine for a start as nobody will be able to buy the damn thing. And if we're in as dire a position as they claim we are it would be in their own self interest to get that message out to as many as possible as quickly as possible, and that means doing it for free, and selflessly.

I believe this govt offers our best hope for digging ourselves out of the mess we're in. If we'd have voted Brown back in he would have gone an another spending spree to stave off the recession he denied was coming. He said openly that we needed to keep spending. He was wrong. MoneyWeek are wrong."

Hahaha conservatives have done nothing for us but make the situation worse!!! They are short sighted and so far their actions have pushed the country further into problems and forced many businesses to close making people redundent who in turn can not spend the money to boost the economy!

Cut backs cause nothing but financial hardship.

Bring back Labour!!

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over a year ago


"no were not were in our third dip

if only it were that good..

not wishing to break any policy on links..

google the publication "Money Week" then look at the article The End of Britain.

I've just read the article from start to finish and I have to say that it is one of the better crafted pieces of bullshit I've come across.

It makes no mention of the fact that the EU countries are desperate for Britain to adopt the Euro and our govt are insisting on financial reform before we do, yet to join the EU there are very strict policies in place to prevent countries 'cooking their books' like Ireland did to gain entry, but MoneyWeek would have us believe that we're sinking under £5trn of accumulated debt. The EU wouldn't want us if they knew we brought that much debt to the party.

And then, right at the end of the article, when it has tried to scare the shit out of anyone who reads it, it offers a 'lifeline'. Buy our crummy rag for £90 a year and WE'LL SAVE YOU!

It is tried and trusted sales tactics and only someone who has seen that drivel before will recognise it as such.

Here's the bottom line:

If the state of the UKs finances pan out exactly like they are predicting they can kiss goodbye to their magazine for a start as nobody will be able to buy the damn thing. And if we're in as dire a position as they claim we are it would be in their own self interest to get that message out to as many as possible as quickly as possible, and that means doing it for free, and selflessly.

I believe this govt offers our best hope for digging ourselves out of the mess we're in. If we'd have voted Brown back in he would have gone an another spending spree to stave off the recession he denied was coming. He said openly that we needed to keep spending. He was wrong. MoneyWeek are wrong.

Hahaha conservatives have done nothing for us but make the situation worse!!! They are short sighted and so far their actions have pushed the country further into problems and forced many businesses to close making people redundent who in turn can not spend the money to boost the economy!

Cut backs cause nothing but financial hardship.

Bring back Labour!!"

I believe that defeat in 2010 has caused Miliband's Labour to rethink Brown's policy on spending our way out of recession, but even Miliband publicly admits that if Labour had won and Brown had continued his wreckless policy of spending more money we didn't have we would be in even more serious trouble than we are now. Labour acknowledge that cuts have got to be made. Their argument is that Osbourne is cutting too much too soon.

It's true that cutbacks cause hardship. Try it in your own household and it's blatantly obvious that going without something you consider essential pisses you off, but if you can't afford it in the first place it is a false economy to by things with money you think you have. If your outgoings are more than what you've got coming in you must borrow to pay for it. = deficit.

I pray that the electorate aren't conned by the double hit of promises of an easing of cuts and more public spending or we'll find the article on MoneyWeek a self fulfilling prophecy.

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral


"I think it means a £25 win for 3 numbers which is much better.

£25 is definitely much better than £10. I am always happy to win a tenner but it doesn't really go very far but £25 is a meal out for us.

where do u eat for £25 for 2?? "

There's a pub in Parkgate, Wirral that does a meat Roast Buffet (Help yourself to as many veg as you want) for £7 per person on a Sunday (£4 per person weekdays and Saturday but only 2 meats) so you can easily have a very nice fresh cooked meal for two plus drinks and a pudding and still have some change from your £25, and while not a posh date, it's more than passable for a night out.....

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over a year ago

Firstly is prize money going up too or just for camelots profit.

Secondly i cannot understand how they got licence when there were offers to run it as non profit therefore so called good causes would benefit more.

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over a year ago

There's a kosher turkish bakery not far from us and their chicken chilli wraps are to die for - and only £3 each lol

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over a year ago


"Firstly is prize money going up too or just for camelots profit.

Secondly i cannot understand how they got licence when there were offers to run it as non profit therefore so called good causes would benefit more."

Um... Branson is a Labour supporter. Does that explain it?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I'm sure there are many who think that way. I'm not one of them though.

The quirky thing about it though is that you have a choice to pay the new price, or not. Wierd that. "

Amazing isn't it!

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over a year ago


"Firstly is prize money going up too or just for camelots profit.

Secondly i cannot understand how they got licence when there were offers to run it as non profit therefore so called good causes would benefit more."

Simple no profit= no payments to the Inland revenue!

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

My logic is there's nowhere else you could gamble £2 and have the chance to come out with a multi million pound prize. Do it or don't do it's the individuals choice!!!!

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over a year ago

Camelot Global Services Pa LLC is a subsidiary of Camelot UK and runs the Pennsylvania state lottery in the USA. They take advantage of the so-called "Delaware loophole" that legally allows businesses headquartered in other states to avoid paying the CNI tax on their operations in Pennsylvania. It derives its name from neighbouring Delaware, considered a corporate tax haven.

Camelot responded by insisting they registered in Delaware when they had no clients in the USA, but reading between the lines it's plain to see that this was a corporate tax move as they were already in the frame for running the Pennsylvania and Illinois state lotteries (they eventually lost out to Northstar for the Illinois lottery).

For every £1 spent on the lottery it is divided up thus:

50p ? Prize Fund

28p ? Good Causes

12p ? Government

5p ? Retailers as Commission

5p ? Camelot

which comprises of:

4.5p ? Camelot for Operating Costs

0.5p ? Camelot for Profit

~

The last line there is an important one because that equates to £28.5m as pure profit, which heads straight off to the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan in Canada who own Camelot.

The whole Lottery exercise has never been about raising money for good causes, nor has it been about giving ordinary Uk citizens a chance at a better life, although both have had exactly that as a by product of the lottery's true aim: raising money for investors and the govt.

With the 100% in the price of a ticket it's not difficult to see that a large beneficiary will be teachers in Ontario with a pension plan, which is being funded in part by UK taxpayers.

The whole things smacks of corporation greed at the expense of the taxpayer but I guess I'll still put my £2 on each Tuesday and Friday (I don't play the National Lottery, only the Euro one) in the hope I'll win something on it worthwhile enough for me to quit work.

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over a year ago

excuse the ? marks. they were supposed to be arrows but this forum doesn't support the code for it.

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over a year ago


"My logic is there's nowhere else you could gamble £2 and have the chance to come out with a multi million pound prize. Do it or don't do it's the individuals choice!!!!"

True you can keep your money in your pocket if you don't want to buy a ticket.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland


"Dont know why this forum has gone on to politics i know macred is a union guy and loves labour through other posts. At the end of the day, the government were voted in by us lot. End of, its called a democracy. Also £2 for a lottery is fair enough, i dont think it has gone up since it started. Oh and basically its just a betting stake. Dont like it, dont bet!"

I love Labour really?

It has been many a year since I voted Labour and nowhere in any of my posts have I praised Labour so you are just making assumptions because I don't like the Cons I have voted Lib Dems in the past but never will again after they got into bed with the party of the super rich (no I am not jealous of them

I just don't believe in policies that are designed to give money to those who already have more than they need) I will no doubt now be called a commie for that remark.

if we have a candidate for the UKIP here in the next election I will be giving them a chance as I don't see anyone else I can trust.

Oh and for the record G & L it was not me who started politics and almost every thread eventually digresses I have even saw you being guilty in the past.

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