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"Menstrual cycle" So a woman stops being a woman after the Menopause!!!!! typical male short sighted description!!!!!!!  | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. "Honestly where I got too many times with so many topics. Lots of people want to dispute the experiences you and your family live. And it’s just reliving trauma sometimes. Lots of love | |||
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"Menstrual cycle So a woman stops being a woman after the Menopause!!!!! typical male short sighted description!!!!!!! "Not what I said at all is it? However this seems like a woman's response with the conclusions being jumped to. I was just basically getting at that a woman will have had a menstrual cycle at some point in her life that's all tc | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. " You’re assuming people are cis | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis " If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no?" Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion.
Honestly where I got too many times with so many topics. Lots of people want to dispute the experiences you and your family live. And it’s just reliving trauma sometimes.
Lots of love "Love to you too, sorry you experience/d the same feelings x | |||
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"Menstrual cycle So a woman stops being a woman after the Menopause!!!!! typical male short sighted description!!!!!!!
Not what I said at all is it? However this seems like a woman's response with the conclusions being jumped to.
I was just basically getting at that a woman will have had a menstrual cycle at some point in her life that's all tc"Not necessarily | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it." Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. " As a cis woman I will always stand beside you, without judgement | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. As a cis woman I will always stand beside you, without judgement " | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us" Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. " Quite right mate | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. " This is why we don't get involved in these debates someone always gets offended. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. " "If you don't like it don't read it" is what you said right? Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to stop contributing an opinion. Ultra defensiveness? Or just a different opinion than you? Ok so what are the other options other than "trans" and "cis" then I'd love to hear them | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. Quite right mate" | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. "If you don't like it don't read it" is what you said right? Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to stop contributing an opinion. Ultra defensiveness? Or just a different opinion than you? Ok so what are the other options other than "trans" and "cis" then I'd love to hear them " How is that silencing you? You stated you’re getting sick of something, I don’t know about everyone else, but if I don’t want to see something I don’t look/read. You haven’t challenged my opinion so no idea if differs. Are you seriously only saying there’s trans, or cis gender?
Your non binary compadre in here would probably disagree with you for starters.
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"I hear the phrase ‘looking for a real man or woman’ thrown around a lot on fab. Be interesting to read the differing definitions of what people consider’a real woman/man’. Let’s have it lol "Different topic. Please stick to this one. | |||
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"Being a woman is such a deep and all encompassing thing that there is no short answer. It's growing up as a girl, its getting periods and boobs, it's navigating the teenage years, it's going into adulthood. It is a lived experience. And it is different for every woman. " I don’t agree, but it has made me think of another question; what is a girl? Save that for another thread methinks. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. "If you don't like it don't read it" is what you said right? Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to stop contributing an opinion. Ultra defensiveness? Or just a different opinion than you? Ok so what are the other options other than "trans" and "cis" then I'd love to hear them How is that silencing you? You stated you’re getting sick of something, I don’t know about everyone else, but if I don’t want to see something I don’t look/read. You haven’t challenged my opinion so no idea if differs. Are you seriously only saying there’s trans, or cis gender?
Your non binary compadre in here would probably disagree with you for starters.
Anyway to keep on track. How would you define a woman?"How is telling someone to not contribute to a thread *not* silencing their opinion? Even if I don't like it I can still give my opinion on my existence as a trans person being debated by cis people. You do know the meanings of the terms trans and cis? and that non binary comes under the trans umbrella of "not identifying with their assigned gender at birth"? And I am sure that if they disagree with anything I say then they're more than welcome to let me know and I'd be more than happy to discuss it with them. To answer your topic question, I personally define women as people that identify as women. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. " When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. " Seconded, been reading along | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. "If you don't like it don't read it" is what you said right? Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to stop contributing an opinion. Ultra defensiveness? Or just a different opinion than you? Ok so what are the other options other than "trans" and "cis" then I'd love to hear them How is that silencing you? You stated you’re getting sick of something, I don’t know about everyone else, but if I don’t want to see something I don’t look/read. You haven’t challenged my opinion so no idea if differs. Are you seriously only saying there’s trans, or cis gender?
Your non binary compadre in here would probably disagree with you for starters.
Anyway to keep on track. How would you define a woman?
How is telling someone to not contribute to a thread *not* silencing their opinion? Even if I don't like it I can still give my opinion on my existence as a trans person being debated by cis people.
You do know the meanings of the terms trans and cis? and that non binary comes under the trans umbrella of "not identifying with their assigned gender at birth"? And I am sure that if they disagree with anything I say then they're more than welcome to let me know and I'd be more than happy to discuss it with them.
To answer your topic question, I personally define women as people that identify as women. "Where did I state you couldn’t contribute? Stop putting words in my mouth please. If I had said that then you’d have a point. I suggested that I’d you didn’t like what you read then perhaps you shouldn’t read it. Completely different to just saying you’re forbidden from replying. So you have a circular definition? Fair enough you’re entitled to your opinion, we just don’t agree and that’s cool. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. " Exactly how people should approach debates. | |||
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"Menstrual cycle" What about those of us who don't have a menstrual cycle?! It stops naturally at a certain point for all biological females | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. "If you don't like it don't read it" is what you said right? Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to stop contributing an opinion. Ultra defensiveness? Or just a different opinion than you? Ok so what are the other options other than "trans" and "cis" then I'd love to hear them How is that silencing you? You stated you’re getting sick of something, I don’t know about everyone else, but if I don’t want to see something I don’t look/read. You haven’t challenged my opinion so no idea if differs. Are you seriously only saying there’s trans, or cis gender?
Your non binary compadre in here would probably disagree with you for starters.
Anyway to keep on track. How would you define a woman?
How is telling someone to not contribute to a thread *not* silencing their opinion? Even if I don't like it I can still give my opinion on my existence as a trans person being debated by cis people.
You do know the meanings of the terms trans and cis? and that non binary comes under the trans umbrella of "not identifying with their assigned gender at birth"? And I am sure that if they disagree with anything I say then they're more than welcome to let me know and I'd be more than happy to discuss it with them.
To answer your topic question, I personally define women as people that identify as women. "In your opinion is being born female different from identifying as female? | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. Exactly how people should approach debates. "I don't 'debate'. x | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. Exactly how people should approach debates.
I don't 'debate'. x
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"I define some of them as beautiful with no peripheral vision no reversing skills and sexy "You've just described most gay guys in the land and a few self assured heteros too | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. Exactly how people should approach debates.
I don't 'debate'. x
Exactly how people should observe debates then. "I'll get off this track now BUT 'debate' is pushing your views for the win. Those shouting and objecting are debating. Those reading reflecting thinking considering are not debating ... they might be dialoguing or discussing but debating..... nah. Here endeth the definition and methodolgy session ..... I'm going to read n decide whether to post or Fuck orrf. | |||
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"Someone who better hurry up with my sandwich I'm starving" Can I do it for you Sally please? I'm a woman! | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. When I contribute to this thread, it won't me for my amusement at your expense or anyone else's. I'd read for the educational value and contribute if I think I have something of worth to say. Exactly how people should approach debates.
I don't 'debate'. x
Exactly how people should observe debates then.
I'll get off this track now BUT 'debate' is pushing your views for the win.
Those shouting and objecting are debating.
Those reading reflecting thinking considering are not debating ... they might be dialoguing or discussing but debating..... nah.
Here endeth the definition and methodolgy session ..... I'm going to read n decide whether to post or Fuck orrf. "Completely differing views on debating I guess, but that’s a separate topic. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. You’re assuming people are cis If they're not cis, then they must be trans no? Not necessarily. Also no one is debating your life. It’s an interesting topic and well worth of a debate. If you don’t like what you read then just don’t read it. Nice way of silencing the very people you're creating a debate out of. If you don't like what a trans person has to say about your bad takes, then you can also just stop discussing us Point out where I’ve silenced anyone…I’ll wait. You’re choosing to engage in a debate, which is cool, if you’re sick of it then just don’t engage. You’ve assumed anyone that has a differing viewpoint are cis and that you can only be cis, or trans. If anyone else had said that, or similar, there would be uproar. There’s no need for the ultra defensiveness. "If you don't like it don't read it" is what you said right? Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to stop contributing an opinion. Ultra defensiveness? Or just a different opinion than you? Ok so what are the other options other than "trans" and "cis" then I'd love to hear them How is that silencing you? You stated you’re getting sick of something, I don’t know about everyone else, but if I don’t want to see something I don’t look/read. You haven’t challenged my opinion so no idea if differs. Are you seriously only saying there’s trans, or cis gender?
Your non binary compadre in here would probably disagree with you for starters.
Anyway to keep on track. How would you define a woman?
How is telling someone to not contribute to a thread *not* silencing their opinion? Even if I don't like it I can still give my opinion on my existence as a trans person being debated by cis people.
You do know the meanings of the terms trans and cis? and that non binary comes under the trans umbrella of "not identifying with their assigned gender at birth"? And I am sure that if they disagree with anything I say then they're more than welcome to let me know and I'd be more than happy to discuss it with them.
To answer your topic question, I personally define women as people that identify as women.
Where did I state you couldn’t contribute? Stop putting words in my mouth please. If I had said that then you’d have a point. I suggested that I’d you didn’t like what you read then perhaps you shouldn’t read it. Completely different to just saying you’re forbidden from replying.
So you have a circular definition? Fair enough you’re entitled to your opinion, we just don’t agree and that’s cool.
"The same to you, we don't agree and most likely never will. I see your point and understand thanks for clarifying, I just don't think the whole "if you don't like it don't read or participate" is the best response. Bit like telling granny how to suck eggs, we know we don't have to read or respond but if we don't then you don't get the other side of the debate do you. | |||
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"Someone who better hurry up with my sandwich I'm starving Can I do it for you Sally please? I'm a woman! " No, I've decided to make it myself as I now identify as a woman,but thanks for the offer much love | |||
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"A person who has XX chromosomes and reproductive organs that make bearing children possible" So how do you define someone with XO chromosomes? This is called Turner syndrome and physically, individuals are biological females but often have no or under developed reproductive systems. | |||
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"The same to you, we don't agree and most likely never will. I see your point and understand thanks for clarifying, I just don't think the whole "if you don't like it don't read or participate" is the best response. Bit like telling granny how to suck eggs, we know we don't have to read or respond but if we don't then you don't get the other side of the debate do you. " It’s good we can both deescalate. I’m all for healthy debates, it’s how we make progress after all.
I haven’t, and wouldn’t tell someone to just shush. My next example was going to be if someone told me they didn’t like Marvel I’d advise them not to watch Avengers. It’s completely different to telling someone they can’t watch avengers.
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"Someone who can’t reverse their car into a space at ASDA " Is that because you've parked your man-mobile across two spaces, diagonally, to emphasise your masculinity? | |||
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"Someone who can’t reverse their car into a space at ASDA " You sir have brass balls, respect | |||
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"Someone who can’t reverse their car into a space at ASDA " I’m most definitely a woman then. I do rock stockings too.  | |||
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"Someone who can’t reverse their car into a space at ASDA Is that because you've parked your man-mobile across two spaces, diagonally, to emphasise your masculinity?" I don’t shop at ASDA | |||
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"Someone who can’t reverse their car into a space at ASDA You sir have brass balls, respect " Actually, he has no balls. The pictures are just catfishing | |||
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"Someone with XX chromosomes." And I am frustrated that those who suffer with gender dysphoria have gained such a voice that we see the lunacy that we do in sport and the absolute censorship of other views. They speak with the certainty and vehemence that they remind my of the Spanish Inquisition. Being forced to believe that they are woman is like you being force to believe I am black or 21 years old… I may want to be those things but nature dealt me a different hand… | |||
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"Someone with XX chromosomes. And I am frustrated that those who suffer with gender dysphoria have gained such a voice that we see the lunacy that we do in sport and the absolute censorship of other views. They speak with the certainty and vehemence that they remind my of the Spanish Inquisition. Being forced to believe that they are woman is like you being force to believe I am black or 21 years old… I may want to be those things but nature dealt me a different hand… " So you believe sex and gender are the same? | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. " All that ever needs to be said on the topic. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. All that ever needs to be said on the topic. "According to some yup, plenty disagree. | |||
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"Someone who can’t reverse their car into a space at ASDA " From what I see in car parks (not only ASDA) a lot of males cannot either!!!!!! | |||
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I haven’t, and wouldn’t tell someone to just shush. My next example was going to be if someone told me they didn’t like Marvel I’d advise them not to watch Avengers. It’s completely different to telling someone they can’t watch avengers.
That said I get it’s an emotive subject on both sides, that’s why I find it interesting. "I get your point, but not sure I'm explaining mine well enough (currently battling a migraine and words are hard) If someone *asked* about avengers after saying they didn't like marvel, I'd agree with you on that point. But if they didn't, you don't need to add that they might not want to watch avengers is my point. I already know I don't have to read or contribute it doesn't need pointing out. It is an interesting subject once you get through all of the factually incorrect claims to how biology isn't actually as straight forward as XX and XY chromosomes, but I'm not a biologist so I don't go around defining people by their genes or body parts. If someone wants me to treat them as a woman, I'll do just that. | |||
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" I get your point, but not sure I'm explaining mine well enough (currently battling a migraine and words are hard) If someone *asked* about avengers after saying they didn't like marvel, I'd agree with you on that point. But if they didn't, you don't need to add that they might not want to watch avengers is my point. I already know I don't have to read or contribute it doesn't need pointing out. It is an interesting subject once you get through all of the factually incorrect claims to how biology isn't actually as straight forward as XX and XY chromosomes, but I'm not a biologist so I don't go around defining people by their genes or body parts. If someone wants me to treat them as a woman, I'll do just that. I had the most horrific migraine yesterday so feel your pain, literally! Weirdly a lot of people I know are suffering at the mo.
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"I already knew I didn't have to read or respond to the thread even though I don't like some of the opinions put across or the motive behind the "debate", so was telling me I don't have to respond actually helpful? Sorry I didn’t understand the rest so I’ll leave that. I wouldn’t say it was helpful, but it certainly wasn’t silencing you. It was to make a pretty simple point, that’s all. I think again that’s something we can agree we’ve just got opposing views on, it’s not a biggie mate. " | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. Do you think you are more, or less "Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people." than me and my biologically born female siblings are sick of men in dresses invading our personal spaces and sports for their amusement? Why do you care if my feelings on the subject are more or less than yours? Because if you're expecting me to answer based on my own experiences living as a woman before I transitioned, I can safely tell you no "man in a dress" affected me in my personal spaces or in sports. It was always cis girls and women that affected on those particular topics. But if that's not what you meant, I don't know how to gauge the answer of who's more fed up of who. So you're saying that because it didn't affect you, you have absolutely no empathy for those it does affect. Ok. Bess x No, that's not what I'm saying at all I'm trying to understand how you want me to answer the question because you're not basing your question on any measurable evidence as to who is more pissed off about each other. Are you asking if there's more cis women that are upset than trans people? Because I don't have those numbers for you. What are you actually asking me so I can answer the question. I asked what you "think". Bess x And I don't think there's a way to measure whether I'm more pissed off about being debated like we're less than anyone else just because we're trans, than cis women are pissed off about trans women being women. That's what I think. That's what you asked me. If you're asking what I think about trans women in sports, or any other topic to do with trans women, then actually ask those questions rather than framing it as a question that seems to be rooted in "only one of us is allowed to be pissed off". " I don’t think ANYONE has/would say you’re less than anyone else. I’m not sure why asking people to give their definition of what a woman is can be mistaken for that. | |||
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"Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people. That's my opinion. Do you think you are more, or less "Sick of having my life and my trans siblings lives "debated" for the amusement of cis people." than me and my biologically born female siblings are sick of men in dresses invading our personal spaces and sports for their amusement? Why do you care if my feelings on the subject are more or less than yours? Because if you're expecting me to answer based on my own experiences living as a woman before I transitioned, I can safely tell you no "man in a dress" affected me in my personal spaces or in sports. It was always cis girls and women that affected on those particular topics. But if that's not what you meant, I don't know how to gauge the answer of who's more fed up of who. So you're saying that because it didn't affect you, you have absolutely no empathy for those it does affect. Ok. Bess x No, that's not what I'm saying at all I'm trying to understand how you want me to answer the question because you're not basing your question on any measurable evidence as to who is more pissed off about each other. Are you asking if there's more cis women that are upset than trans people? Because I don't have those numbers for you. What are you actually asking me so I can answer the question. I asked what you "think". Bess x And I don't think there's a way to measure whether I'm more pissed off about being debated like we're less than anyone else just because we're trans, than cis women are pissed off about trans women being women. That's what I think. That's what you asked me. If you're asking what I think about trans women in sports, or any other topic to do with trans women, then actually ask those questions rather than framing it as a question that seems to be rooted in "only one of us is allowed to be pissed off". " No, you know exactly what I'm asking and you're just side-stepping. I'll try to make it simpler. You say that "cis" people debating this topic is for their "amusement" and that you're sick of it. This suggests that you feel that only you and your "trans siblings" have the right to be "sick of it", when their are many people on both sides who want to discuss it rationally. You adding "for their amusement" is insulting to the "cis" side of the debate. My question is - do you personally "think" you have more rights to be "sick" of the topic than "cis" people? If you think those on both sides have equal rights to be "sick" of it, then stop using insulting phrases like "for their amusement" when debating the topic. Bess x | |||
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"A woman is an adult female: This thread and last thread indicated 2 things, born as a female, or identifies as a woman. This makes it straight forward in my eyes, it is possible for a person born a biological male to identify as a woman, but it does not change their biological sex, it refers to their gender identity. " That a very reasoned takeaway bud. Whether people agree, or not, you’ve listened to varying views and articulated your point well. High five my man. | |||
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"A woman is an adult female: This thread and last thread indicated 2 things, born as a female, or identifies as a woman. This makes it straight forward in my eyes, it is possible for a person born a biological male to identify as a woman, but it does not change their biological sex, it refers to their gender identity. thank you that cleared that up now can they drive the wrong way down one way streets or not?
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"Someone that makes my dreams come true " cmon wonky tell us your dreams? | |||
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"My personal definition of a woman is a person that identifies with, and outwardly exhibits feminine attributes." Another very reasoned response. | |||
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"Someone that makes my dreams come true cmon wonky tell us your dreams? "And get banned from site. No. | |||
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"Could care less if women are happy for men to take their space oh well. Just waiting for when ppl will start identifying as another race or status. Can't wait to be a king or billionaire." Trans racial is already a thing…I ain’t getting into that can of worms!  | |||
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"Someone that makes my dreams come true cmon wonky tell us your dreams?
And get banned from site.
No. "lol really that outrageous | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. " Exactly this. | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. " So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” | |||
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"Following on from the previous thread. How do you personally define a woman? Please no; insulting others just for a differing opinion, intentionally offending/belittling. Personally I define a woman as a human adult female. "Incomplete and inconclusive book of physiology  | |||
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"Following on from the previous thread. How do you personally define a woman? Please no; insulting others just for a differing opinion, intentionally offending/belittling. Personally I define a woman as a human adult female.
Incomplete and inconclusive book of physiology "Sorry don’t understand your point? | |||
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"Following on from the previous thread. How do you personally define a woman? Please no; insulting others just for a differing opinion, intentionally offending/belittling. Personally I define a woman as a human adult female.
Incomplete and inconclusive book of physiology
Sorry don’t understand your point?"Ah very vague absurd thought, to elucidate women is like a incomplete and inconclusive book the more man try to understand and define he gets more confuse, IMHO this topic is conundrum , again personal view | |||
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"Following on from the previous thread. How do you personally define a woman? Please no; insulting others just for a differing opinion, intentionally offending/belittling. Personally I define a woman as a human adult female. "My brains to limited to even begin to define what women.....I can barely define myself | |||
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"Following on from the previous thread. How do you personally define a woman? Please no; insulting others just for a differing opinion, intentionally offending/belittling. Personally I define a woman as a human adult female.
Incomplete and inconclusive book of physiology
Sorry don’t understand your point?
Ah very vague absurd thought, to elucidate women is like a incomplete and inconclusive book the more man try to understand and define he gets more confuse, IMHO this topic is conundrum , again personal view "Again apologies, but you’re not making much sense. What does “elucidate women” mean? I’m not sure you know how to use “elucidate” correctly. It should be relatively simple to give your definition of a woman, whatever your view. | |||
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"I identify as neither trans nor cis...I am a woman, one who has reproduced and nourished my children from my breast. That defines me from men. I dont object to anyone self identifying as they desire but please refrain from rebranding me. I've said before, in order to achieve a desired identity, it is not helpful if this means the identity of others is eroded." Absolutely love this. | |||
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"My personal definition of a woman is a person that identifies with, and outwardly exhibits feminine attributes." What are feminine attributes? | |||
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"Someone that makes my dreams come true cmon wonky tell us your dreams?
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No. lol really that outrageous "kinkier | |||
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"I identify as neither trans nor cis...I am a woman, one who has reproduced and nourished my children from my breast. That defines me from men. I dont object to anyone self identifying as they desire but please refrain from rebranding me. I've said before, in order to achieve a desired identity, it is not helpful if this means the identity of others is eroded." I don't like term cis either. T | |||
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"Following on from the previous thread. How do you personally define a woman? Please no; insulting others just for a differing opinion, intentionally offending/belittling. Personally I define a woman as a human adult female. "Thank you for calling out personal insults. I don't have ill intent towards anyone. | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth”" No. But no ill intent to those that do that | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that " But that’s the dictionary definition? | |||
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"Could care less if women are happy for men to take their space oh well. Just waiting for when ppl will start identifying as another race or status. Can't wait to be a king or billionaire. Trans racial is already a thing…I ain’t getting into that can of worms! "There was also some old guy in Holland that identified as a 7 year old girl and insisted the primary school allow him to attend and use the girls toilet Let him attend | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that But that’s the dictionary definition?" Yup. That is in the dictionary. If everyone is "happy" with the dictionary definition then case closed a woman is:
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"What made me start a similar thread was because my female friend lives with a trans woman who used to be her partner before she transitioned. I did used to like her ex partner (I've only known her since her transition) but found out that this person bullies my friend and uses their taller and broader physique to intimidate. When my friend sticks up for herself and explains she finds her intimidating she gets called transphonic. It made me think wonder if it is possible to accept their are biological differences between trans women and biological woman that do sometimes make it less safe or fair for people born as female if they're not differentiated. I know also that trans people are subject to unfair treatment and abuse. And I completely object to that. But I don't like that fact that you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted. If you could replace political correctness with some mutual respect then it wouldn't need to be so emotive." There's arseholes on both sides if the debate. Not sure what someone keeps in their pants has much to do with that. | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that But that’s the dictionary definition? Yup. That is in the dictionary. If everyone is "happy" with the dictionary definition then case closed a woman is:
1. An adult human female
2. An adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth"I’m personally not, but I wanted to point it out. | |||
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"What made me start a similar thread was because my female friend lives with a trans woman who used to be her partner before she transitioned. I did used to like her ex partner (I've only known her since her transition) but found out that this person bullies my friend and uses their taller and broader physique to intimidate. When my friend sticks up for herself and explains she finds her intimidating she gets called transphonic. It made me think wonder if it is possible to accept their are biological differences between trans women and biological woman that do sometimes make it less safe or fair for people born as female if they're not differentiated. I know also that trans people are subject to unfair treatment and abuse. And I completely object to that. But I don't like that fact that you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted. If you could replace political correctness with some mutual respect then it wouldn't need to be so emotive. There's arseholes on both sides if the debate. Not sure what someone keeps in their pants has much to do with that." It does when women with a penis get sent to a woman's jail because of PC. When they're in prison for crimes against women. | |||
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"What made me start a similar thread was because my female friend lives with a trans woman who used to be her partner before she transitioned. I did used to like her ex partner (I've only known her since her transition) but found out that this person bullies my friend and uses their taller and broader physique to intimidate. When my friend sticks up for herself and explains she finds her intimidating she gets called transphonic. It made me think wonder if it is possible to accept their are biological differences between trans women and biological woman that do sometimes make it less safe or fair for people born as female if they're not differentiated. I know also that trans people are subject to unfair treatment and abuse. And I completely object to that. But I don't like that fact that you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted. If you could replace political correctness with some mutual respect then it wouldn't need to be so emotive." That’s more than fair bud. There’s idiots on both sides that need to show empathy & understanding. | |||
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"What made me start a similar thread was because my female friend lives with a trans woman who used to be her partner before she transitioned. I did used to like her ex partner (I've only known her since her transition) but found out that this person bullies my friend and uses their taller and broader physique to intimidate. When my friend sticks up for herself and explains she finds her intimidating she gets called transphonic. It made me think wonder if it is possible to accept their are biological differences between trans women and biological woman that do sometimes make it less safe or fair for people born as female if they're not differentiated. I know also that trans people are subject to unfair treatment and abuse. And I completely object to that. But I don't like that fact that you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted. If you could replace political correctness with some mutual respect then it wouldn't need to be so emotive. There's arseholes on both sides if the debate. Not sure what someone keeps in their pants has much to do with that. It does when women with a penis get sent to a woman's jail because of PC. When they're in prison for crimes against women." I was referring to the 'you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted' bit. | |||
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"I was referring to the 'you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted' bit." You can have a dick, or not have a dick, just don’t be a dick. | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that But that’s the dictionary definition?" Not my dictionary I guess the online one has moved on with the times. I’m still happy with what I have written. | |||
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"I was referring to the 'you can't raise issues on either side without being shouted down and being insulted' bit. You can have a dick, or not have a dick, just don’t be a dick. "This^^ | |||
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"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes. "a herd of female deer"" So would you say a trans female is a woman? No trick question and no judgement either way. It’s a massively hot topic, but an important one imo. | |||
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"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes. "a herd of female deer" So would you say a trans female is a woman? No trick question and no judgement either way. It’s a massively hot topic, but an important one imo." No | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that But that’s the dictionary definition? Yup. That is in the dictionary. If everyone is "happy" with the dictionary definition then case closed a woman is:
1. An adult human female
2. An adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth"Born biological female and adult = woman Identifies as a woman not born biological female and adult = not a biological woman. | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that But that’s the dictionary definition? Not my dictionary I guess the online one has moved on with the times. I’m still happy with what I have written. " Cambridge, Merriam Webster and indeed most now have that in there… and we wonder why there’s confusion and debate. | |||
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"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes. "a herd of female deer" So would you say a trans female is a woman? No trick question and no judgement either way. It’s a massively hot topic, but an important one imo. No" Appreciate the honest reply. | |||
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"Define woman: a beautiful human being " So most humans are women? | |||
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"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes. "a herd of female deer" So would you say a trans female is a woman? No trick question and no judgement either way. It’s a massively hot topic, but an important one imo. No Appreciate the honest reply. "That answer was from my biology teacher at school | |||
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"Happy with the dictionary definition an adult female human being. So you also agree with the below? “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” No. But no ill intent to those that do that But that’s the dictionary definition? Not my dictionary I guess the online one has moved on with the times. I’m still happy with what I have written. Cambridge, Merriam Webster and indeed most now have that in there… and we wonder why there’s confusion and debate. " Semantic connotation wins the day | |||
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