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""Hindu" isn't a race. "Asian" isn't a race. He is not Indian, he's British, or "Indian British", or "Asian British" if he prefers. Bess x" I said it was a religion and it is. He is Brit Indian just like me as he is a Brit citizen, so why refer to hime as "Asain/Hindu" is my question as they would never refer to Boris as a Catholic/christian/etc or whatever his religion is As I said, IMO, it is racist and no need to describe the PM as the "first Hindu PM." If anyhtig, they can said he is the first PM from parents from India and a brith Indian pm. Ig I'm asked if I', "Indian" I tell them my parents were from Indian but I'm a Brit Indian and some of them family, friends say that as well. | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?" I think you're right, reference to his race, heritage or religion is totally unnecessary. A bit like referring to actors as being black actors - they're just actors that happen to be black, no reference to skin colour needed. | |||
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"It could be looked at the other way that it is showing others that are not of the perceived establishment heritage that they can also reach those heights. If we are to be a fully integrated multicultural society then those from all backgrounds need to be encouraged to be involved in the decision making and governance of the country. " Yes, but the calling the PM the "first Hindu pm" is like saying Margaret thatcher was the first "christian" PM Rishi was born to Indian parents who are now brih Indians. If the UK was to get a black PM, the media would not say this PM is the "first christian/cathoic PM" would they | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?" They could call him the least useless of the last 4 PM's...that could work? | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive? I think you're right, reference to his race, heritage or religion is totally unnecessary. A bit like referring to actors as being black actors - they're just actors that happen to be black, no reference to skin colour needed." Thanks very much TBH, I felt extra proud for a mo when Rish became PM as he is like me a guy whos parents were from India and like me he is a Brit Indian. Other than the moment of feeling good re Rishi, he IMO is no better or worse that the load of bollox we've had before but a million times better than that walking disater Truss. Possibly wrongly, I also felt that outside the parliamentary voting IE membership voting, if it went to members again, Rishi would not have won and IMO, he is a more experience person than the lady he beat whos name I forget I'm no fool, racisum is almost everywhere and I've been to India and in parts ita a bit like NI, EG they hate each other becuse of religion and if its not tha then its caste. On the whole and IMO, England is a great country and the vast majority of people from all backgrounds will only judge a man or a woman based on who they beave etc and nothing else. | |||
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"He was referred to as heathen yesterday too. Wtf?" Sorry, what does that mean? | |||
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" They could call him the least useless of the last 4 PM's...that could work? " What an accolade - imagine if we all strive to be the least useless in our chosen profession | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x" You kind of said what I was thinking. The media will often look for angles on any story to make it more interesting. I don't see that stating Sunak is the first Hindu PM is any way racist. | |||
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"He was referred to as heathen yesterday too. Wtf? Sorry, what does that mean?" Heathen means "a person who doesn't belong to a widely held religion" | |||
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"Margaret Thatcher is know as the first female PM I have heard Boris Johnson referred to as the first Catholic PM on numerous occasions as well, as long as it is not referred to in a negative way I think it is important to point out when a glass ceiling is broken helping to pave the way for others." | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x" Important point you missed re "simple facts" EG, PM Rhisi's skin colour often realting to Indian and some other south Asain countries. Thatcher was regihgtly referred to as the first lady PM. If we had a French man who's parents were born in france and possibly him, and he bacame PM, the media would not refer to this PM as a 'cathoilc/hindi/muslime/chirtian' pm but as the first French, Brith rench PM. These are the actually the more accurate simple facts. | |||
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"He was referred to as heathen yesterday too. Wtf? Sorry, what does that mean? Heathen means "a person who doesn't belong to a widely held religion"" Thank you and WTF For me, this is the honest truth, I could not care less if our PM was a man/woman/tv/transgender/gay/straight/ex convict or even a Jackass as long as they put the British citizens in England first and were open and honest and fair to those that paid taxes and those that could not genuinely work. A good honest PM IMO, and we will never one because a leader has to make false promises to win votes from fools who fall for the lies and the lies, false promises made during the elections can't be kept as often they are unfordable. | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x" Simple but irrelevant facts - pointing out someone's 'difference' is the basis of prejudice. Prejudice isn't often (if ever) found between two parties that see themselves as the same. | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x Important point you missed re "simple facts" EG, PM Rhisi's skin colour often realting to Indian and some other south Asain countries. Thatcher was regihgtly referred to as the first lady PM. If we had a French man who's parents were born in france and possibly him, and he bacame PM, the media would not refer to this PM as a 'cathoilc/hindi/muslime/chirtian' pm but as the first French, Brith rench PM. These are the actually the more accurate simple facts. " I'm sure I missed many important points, "the sky is blue" for example, but your original post made no mention of skin colour, you've added that to your list of reasons to try to find racism where none seems to exist in the context of your OP. That your third paragraph starts with "if" indicates that you have presented no facts, just conjecture. I'm sure if the next PM was a transgendered Zoroastrian person of colour, these "facts" would be mentioned by the media too at some stage. | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x Simple but irrelevant facts - pointing out someone's 'difference' is the basis of prejudice. Prejudice isn't often (if ever) found between two parties that see themselves as the same. " The best post on the thread. Thanks to all for the convo | |||
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" Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other " Could it be because they weren't the first? | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x Simple but irrelevant facts - pointing out someone's 'difference' is the basis of prejudice. Prejudice isn't often (if ever) found between two parties that see themselves as the same. The best post on the thread. Thanks to all for the convo" Is it "the best post on the thread" because it's the only one that seems to support you? I'll leave you to your hobby - enjoy your day. Bess x | |||
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" They could call him the least useless of the last 4 PM's...that could work? What an accolade - imagine if we all strive to be the least useless in our chosen profession " Isn't 'least useless' the same as 'most useful'? | |||
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"He was referred to as heathen yesterday too. Wtf? Sorry, what does that mean? Heathen means "a person who doesn't belong to a widely held religion" Thank you and WTF For me, this is the honest truth, I could not care less if our PM was a man/woman/tv/transgender/gay/straight/ex convict or even a Jackass as long as they put the British citizens in England first and were open and honest and fair to those that paid taxes and those that could not genuinely work. A good honest PM IMO, and we will never one because a leader has to make false promises to win votes from fools who fall for the lies and the lies, false promises made during the elections can't be kept as often they are unfordable. " How about the British citizens in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? Shouldn't the PM put them first too? | |||
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"Benjamin Disraeli was the first jewish British PM. Margaret Thatcher was the first female British PM. Boris Johnson was the first catholic British PM. Rishi Sunak is the first hindu British PM. These are just simple facts. Bess x Simple but irrelevant facts - pointing out someone's 'difference' is the basis of prejudice. Prejudice isn't often (if ever) found between two parties that see themselves as the same. The best post on the thread. Thanks to all for the convo Is it "the best post on the thread" because it's the only one that seems to support you? I'll leave you to your hobby - enjoy your day. Bess x" Please read the thread again and you'd note several others are in support of my useless post Btw, about my "hobby" it wanking 3 times daily | |||
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"He was referred to as heathen yesterday too. Wtf? Sorry, what does that mean? Heathen means "a person who doesn't belong to a widely held religion" Thank you and WTF For me, this is the honest truth, I could not care less if our PM was a man/woman/tv/transgender/gay/straight/ex convict or even a Jackass as long as they put the British citizens in England first and were open and honest and fair to those that paid taxes and those that could not genuinely work. A good honest PM IMO, and we will never one because a leader has to make false promises to win votes from fools who fall for the lies and the lies, false promises made during the elections can't be kept as often they are unfordable. How about the British citizens in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? Shouldn't the PM put them first too?" What about them? Have you failed to note their own leaders/parliaments? | |||
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""Hindu" isn't a race. "Asian" isn't a race. He is not Indian, he's British, or "Indian British", or "Asian British" if he prefers. Bess x I said it was a religion and it is. He is Brit Indian just like me as he is a Brit citizen, so why refer to hime as "Asain/Hindu" is my question as they would never refer to Boris as a Catholic/christian/etc or whatever his religion is As I said, IMO, it is racist and no need to describe the PM as the "first Hindu PM." If anyhtig, they can said he is the first PM from parents from India and a brith Indian pm. Ig I'm asked if I', "Indian" I tell them my parents were from Indian but I'm a Brit Indian and some of them family, friends say that as well. " Maybe it should be something to be proud of. Not racist?? | |||
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""Hindu" isn't a race. "Asian" isn't a race. He is not Indian, he's British, or "Indian British", or "Asian British" if he prefers. Bess x I said it was a religion and it is. He is Brit Indian just like me as he is a Brit citizen, so why refer to hime as "Asain/Hindu" is my question as they would never refer to Boris as a Catholic/christian/etc or whatever his religion is As I said, IMO, it is racist and no need to describe the PM as the "first Hindu PM." If anyhtig, they can said he is the first PM from parents from India and a brith Indian pm. Ig I'm asked if I', "Indian" I tell them my parents were from Indian but I'm a Brit Indian and some of them family, friends say that as well. Maybe it should be something to be proud of. Not racist??" ??? To be proud of something and treating everyone fairly and by merit etc, how can that be racist? I'm proud of my Range Rover that I piad close to 140k for and I'm proud of my car I think you are confused, please look up the difintion of "proud" | |||
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"It could be looked at the other way that it is showing others that are not of the perceived establishment heritage that they can also reach those heights. If we are to be a fully integrated multicultural society then those from all backgrounds need to be encouraged to be involved in the decision making and governance of the country. Yes, but the calling the PM the "first Hindu pm" is like saying Margaret thatcher was the first "christian" PM Rishi was born to Indian parents who are now brih Indians. If the UK was to get a black PM, the media would not say this PM is the "first christian/cathoic PM" would they" She was described as the first woman PM because that was what was progressive about her term. That was probably sexist, it shouldn’t matter if a woman or man runs the country, but as a woman i saw it as a sign that barriers for women at the top were breaking down | |||
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"I think context plays an important part here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've only heard it mentioned in the last couple of days in regards to him taking part in a Christian coronation service. And then only in a positive light of him not being so bigoted about his faith that he wouldn't be involved. " We are not christain or muslim and we/I've never had problems with attending a chritian or muslim wedding at their place of worship. Having said that, not my family but people I knew via work would tell me they would never attand another faiths place of worship even for a wedding. It was the born again types that often said that. Rishi is the first Brit Indian PM whos parents and granparents were born in north India as were mine. We are not very rich like Rishi and good luck to him as he and his parents worked for that but ware comy and can afford cars costing well over a 100k for cash. My family and relatives, everyone I know see England as their country where we had given millions in taxes and most of us, those aged over about 25 pay higher rate taxes and live and always lived in our own property or intially privately rented, It is important to note in history that RS is the first Brit Inddian PM just like Thathcer was the first lady PM. Having said that, IMO, all polictian are never to be trusted. IRL I avoid two things when it comes to debate - religion and polics and when those at work, a couple of good friends of mine were born again types brough up religion, I told them that unlike them that were not prepared to go to another place of worship foe weddings etc, I saw myself as very lucky as my parents taught us to try and respect everyone and more so those that respected us Sadly, many people cant work out the difference between religion and nationality and or origins of nationality. My first language is not Englaish and I can read and write in hindi and may times over the years I have been called racist names just becuse my skin is darker than the the racist but I am aware you get racists for all backgrounds and there is racisum in every country, if it not the colour of skin, it religionm if its not that, there are many other things the racist will peick up on Yes, I felt proud when Rishi became pm, and I was fooled by his intial speech as pm for a minute. Other than that and IMO, Rishi is no better or worse than the others that have been in nuber ten but much btter than the bankrup Liz Truss Englan is a great country and I/we have travelled to indian/Delhi/mumbai/Goa many times, USA about 20 times, Japan, China, Mexico, most of the countries in the EU, iceland etc etc and IMO there is no better place to live in than England | |||
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" They could call him the least useless of the last 4 PM's...that could work? What an accolade - imagine if we all strive to be the least useless in our chosen profession Isn't 'least useless' the same as 'most useful'?" No really, just that he’s not as useless as the previous rabble- who did set the bar really low…or he just hasn’t had the time to drop to their level, again, Truss was excellent at being a total clusterfuck right from the start. Given the choice, they should have put that head of cabbage in charge that lasted longer that her | |||
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"I refer to him as a Fuckwhit regularly and I refer to Boris as a fat lying Fuckwhit regularly too and I don’t give a flying toss about their sensitivities. " Fair enough & fair comment & hopefully calls sir kneelalot a Asian abuse gang sympathiser who can't tell a woman from a man. | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?" I find it dissapointing whenever the press report 'first' for anyone doing a sport or job. If for example someone is the first black woman judge just state her name & the fact she's a judge. Being black is totally irrelevant & when these statement ls stop the world will be a better place. All that matters is that she is a good judge & there on merit like any other person. | |||
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"I think context plays an important part here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've only heard it mentioned in the last couple of days in regards to him taking part in a Christian coronation service. And then only in a positive light of him not being so bigoted about his faith that he wouldn't be involved. " This is what I was thinking. Especially over the past few days. | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?" No they just call Boris a lying bastard | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?" Has India ever had a British white primeminister? | |||
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"Just given the thread a skim through, my conclusion, you’re getting your knickers in a knot about nothing, it’s almost as if you’re looking for something to be upset about. " This man gets it, but it’s fun to imagine how we might describe Starmer if he gets the job. First tool to be PM? (He’s fond of saying his dad was a toolmaker) | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?Has India ever had a British white primeminister? " India had a number of white Governors… | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?Has India ever had a British white primeminister? " They had a mixed race one Has England ever had a Mexican PM? | |||
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"Watch a bits of the Coronation, pre ceremony news its/broadcasts, a few times I hear one person call our PM "first Hindu PM" then later in the day someone else said it. Id that not a bit racist,IE, you'd never really get someone referring to Boris by his religion or Stamer or any other leader To call Rishi as the first "Indian" PM would be more appropriate. Another term I've heard used against Rishi is first "Asian" PM,. FSS, that is about 50% of the worlds population Or am I being too sensitive?Has India ever had a British white primeminister? India had a number of white Governors…" back in the day but not recently and you can bet much was said of them | |||
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