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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

starting now on itv if anyone else fancies watching it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to catch it on iplayer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Have to catch it on iplayer. "

the green mile is one of my fave films so was curious to view how it actually is

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By *andora AnastasiaWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Already watching it! Fascinating

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

Ohhhh, thanks for the reminder C&S - we wanted to watch this. Can't believe it's 9pm already!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have to catch it on iplayer.

the green mile is one of my fave films so was curious to view how it actually is "

Well there will be a big difference from the green mile lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am watching it too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

130yrs for a crime he commited as a boy of 13.

not quite sure how i feel about it .. its compelling viewing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel we need to adopt a few ideas from the American prisons in to our own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel we need to adopt a few ideas from the American prisons in to our own. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"130yrs for a crime he commited as a boy of 13.

not quite sure how i feel about it .. its compelling viewing "

I think it's a good sentence!!

If you can't do the time! Don't do the crime!

Think we in the uk should take a leaf out of the Americans justice system

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many people would think twice of commiting a serious crime if they knew they'd be looking at 50/100+ years or even death row

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many people would think twice of commiting a serious crime if they knew they'd be looking at 50/100+ years or even death row"

Indeed... It would certainly make them think twice wouldn't it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

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Sadly you wont be getting my vote lol I like my people sane !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bugger I will have to iplayer it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many people would think twice of commiting a serious crime if they knew they'd be looking at 50/100+ years or even death row

Indeed... It would certainly make them think twice wouldn't it! "

I don't think it does make them think twice though; if it did, there would barely be any violent crime in the US - sadly thats not the case.

Agree though, our justice system is a joke in comparison

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

the guy who committed the crime at 13 is just fascinating.. its haunting. He's been there 25yrs. I understand he murdered two woman and they can not come back, but he appears so 'normal' and a well educated and polite man. its just all confusing for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

That's why we take after the yanks and don't make them cushy for them!!

No tv's in your cells, just a concrete room with bed, toilet and sink. 1 hour of yard time a day.

We're to soft in this country

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"How many people would think twice of commiting a serious crime if they knew they'd be looking at 50/100+ years or even death row"

Obviously not those on death row!

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By *adgeeMan
over a year ago

Sw Scotland

"How many people would think twice of commiting a serious crime if they knew they'd be looking at 50/100+ years or even death row"

It might indeed make them think twice, but the American correctional facilities/penatentiaries are still pretty busy as far as I'm aware

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many people would think twice of commiting a serious crime if they knew they'd be looking at 50/100+ years or even death row

It might indeed make them think twice, but the American correctional facilities/penatentiaries are still pretty busy as far as I'm aware"
Yeah like America has cracked the problem every society has crime. Don't know if you guys watch the news, but they have serious problems with crime and life sentences and death peanalties are not solving it. What does that suggest ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"130yrs for a crime he commited as a boy of 13.

not quite sure how i feel about it .. its compelling viewing

I think it's a good sentence!!

If you can't do the time! Don't do the crime!

Think we in the uk should take a leaf out of the Americans justice system"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

Sadly you wont be getting my vote lol I like my people sane !"

Perfectly sane here buddy, just trying to think of ways to save the taxpayer some hard earned £'s

Totally hypothetical and with tongue very firmly in cheek.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke. "

I take you have been to one, worked in one, or visited one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

Sadly you wont be getting my vote lol I like my people sane !

Perfectly sane here buddy, just trying to think of ways to save the taxpayer some hard earned £'s

Totally hypothetical and with tongue very firmly in cheek. "
I did'nt realise Jeremy Clarkson was on fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shit.....,I've been rumbled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can a country make murder illegal yet murder people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can a country make murder illegal yet murder people? "
Thats the problem, goverments are the biggest murders, through war, death penalty etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting question, not sure of the answer though, I'm not massively familiar with how the US state governers choose to adopt capital punishment policies. I'm sure it goes through a rigorous procedure. Whether its right or wrong is an age old subject and a suppose anyone could see it from both arguments either for or against.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

is it possible for people to change?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is it possible for people to change?"

Are people really given opportunities to? Know in this economic climate there is no chance anyone even with a record would really struggle to get an interview let alone a job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Amercian justice system is basically right in my opinion. Kill someone and expect to be killed in return. Simple. They can appeal the sentence, some are successful some are not. Either way if they did the crime then they should pay the price, be it either the execution or the whole of life sentence.

The system has not deterred those who want to kill and don't care about the consequences. How many has the system deterred? We don't know and never will.

I advocate the return of capital punishment here. At least the person who INTENDS to kill will know if they do get caught what to expect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke.

I take you have been to one, worked in one, or visited one."

No but have you seen the prison they built a few years back to house murderers, child sex offenders!!

A cinema, 3* meals, £140,000 state of the art gym.

Sounds more like a luxury hotel than a prison.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke.

I take you have been to one, worked in one, or visited one.

No but have you seen the prison they built a few years back to house murderers, child sex offenders!!

A cinema, 3* meals, £140,000 state of the art gym.

Sounds more like a luxury hotel than a prison. "

Sound like something the right-wing press made up.

Do you want to share the location of this 'luxury hotel' with the rest of us?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

I heard Trevor McDonald on the radio saying (and I have no idea if this is true) that it costs more to go through the legal processes (appeals and so on) before execution than it does to keep someone incarcerated for life*

*That might depend on how old they are when convicted.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke.

I take you have been to one, worked in one, or visited one.

No but have you seen the prison they built a few years back to house murderers, child sex offenders!!

A cinema, 3* meals, £140,000 state of the art gym.

Sounds more like a luxury hotel than a prison.

Sound like something the right-wing press made up.

Do you want to share the location of this 'luxury hotel' with the rest of us?"

just google 'luxury prision' id post a link but fabs wont allow it

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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just google 'luxury prision' id post a link but fabs wont allow it "

In Norway?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke.

I take you have been to one, worked in one, or visited one.

No but have you seen the prison they built a few years back to house murderers, child sex offenders!!

A cinema, 3* meals, £140,000 state of the art gym.

Sounds more like a luxury hotel than a prison. "

Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Spend some time in Britain's prisons, speak to people that have been in prison, then see if your opinion about how easy or nice it is changes.

We have a justice system based on rehabilitation and in the majority of cases it works and needs no changes...and social care professionals work damn hard to make sure it works.

I'm sure a lot of you have the same opinion of the homeless too...you wouldn't believe him many 'Professional' homeless people there are.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

*That might depend on how old they are when convicted."

To incarcerate a 20yr old for life costs circa $2.5 million, to execute him costs $5 million.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anyone who thinks life in UK prisons is 'cushy' should give it a go.

Conditions in the private sector are slightly better but that's mainly 'cos the estate is newer.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

*That might depend on how old they are when convicted.

To incarcerate a 20yr old for life costs circa $2.5 million, to execute him costs $5 million."

That may very be so. As I said, I dunno where the truth lies but it occurs to me the $2.5 million will be spread over maybe 40 or 50 years whilst the $5 million might be over a much shorter term..

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Prison is depressing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't help they make guns so readily available in the States but yes true they haven't cracked the problem but in comparison out prisons are a joke.

I take you have been to one, worked in one, or visited one.

No but have you seen the prison they built a few years back to house murderers, child sex offenders!!

A cinema, 3* meals, £140,000 state of the art gym.

Sounds more like a luxury hotel than a prison.

Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think. "

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?"

Risley & strange ways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The boy had 13 years of miseducation,But received 130 years of correction in a state penitentiary. Makes sense. Furthermore this country has a little thing called an IPP I think. Where you don't have to have killed anybody but you are still locked up until deemed fit to return to society. So for instance a serial paedophile gets locked for 3 years. Whereas a man who possesses an arsenal of weapons for his own protection will be in jail until a parole panel see fit.

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

"Spend some time in Britain's prisons, speak to people that have been in prison, then see if your opinion about how easy or nice it is changes.

We have a justice system based on rehabilitation and in the majority of cases it works and needs no changes...and social care professionals work damn hard to make sure it works.

I'm sure a lot of you have the same opinion of the homeless too...you wouldn't believe him many 'Professional' homeless people there are.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

Risley & strange ways "

Risley's no' a real gaol.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

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Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

Risley & strange ways "

In my experience those who work in the Prison service understand that there is a lot more to the experience of incarceration than TVs and Gyms

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

In Venezuela for failing to deliver letters the prosecution requested the postie be given nearly 400,000 years but he got of lightly and got just over 7 thousand years. So its not only this country that judges don't listen to the state prosecution and hand out lenient sentences

Bet he thinks twice about crime when he gets out again though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

Risley & strange ways

In my experience those who work in the Prison service understand that there is a lot more to the experience of incarceration than TVs and Gyms "

Yes I know that but what message does it send out when that's what you have to look forward to if you do get sent down???

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

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Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

Risley & strange ways

In my experience those who work in the Prison service understand that there is a lot more to the experience of incarceration than TVs and Gyms

Yes I know that but what message does it send out when that's what you have to look forward to if you do get sent down???

So do you honestly believe that for most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence think, at least there's a telly and gym.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"..............

Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

Risley & strange ways

In my experience those who work in the Prison service understand that there is a lot more to the experience of incarceration than TVs and Gyms

Yes I know that but what message does it send out when that's what you have to look forward to if you do get sent down???

So do you honestly believe that for most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence think, at least there's a telly and gym."

I know a few lads from my past who are happy to be sent down over & over because they get a gym and tv and play stations.

It doesn't faze them.

I'm not saying it's the same for everyone but some are just not bothered about doing time.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Yes I know that but what message does it send out when that's what you have to look forward to if you do get sent down???

So do you honestly believe that for most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence think, at least there's a telly and gym."

Most people, when about to commit a crime, don't even consider the possibility they'll be caught.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"..............

Then maybe try and spend some time in a prison that houses the above..maybe it might not be quite what you think.

Having a dad and 2 uncles that work for the prison service I've been given a fair idea.

In Norway?

Risley & strange ways

In my experience those who work in the Prison service understand that there is a lot more to the experience of incarceration than TVs and Gyms

Yes I know that but what message does it send out when that's what you have to look forward to if you do get sent down???

So do you honestly believe that for most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence think, at least there's a telly and gym.

I know a few lads from my past who are happy to be sent down over & over because they get a gym and tv and play stations.

It doesn't faze them.

I'm not saying it's the same for everyone but some are just not bothered about doing time. "

It's my experience that most, and I'm talking about the one's you specified initially.. that's lifers and sex offenders literally s..t themselves at the prospect of having their freedom taken from them...I'm not saying they deserve anything less, but TV and gyms are the least of there priorities

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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The vast majority of those serving life sentences are murderers and the vast majority of murders aren't pre-meditated so how the prospect of having their liberty withdrawn can affect their decision to commit the crime baffles me.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Personally I don't need the threat or promise of a prison sentence or death sentence to stop me from killing anyone, and I like to think that this is true of the vast majority of the population.

Seems to me that the prospect of prison/death sentence is scaring the wrong people. The people who fear the law the most are the people who abide by it.

With criminals its just part of the game, some they win and some they loose.

But there are also people in prison because they made an error of some sort and I dare say that the threat of the law is never going to stop people from making errors.

Which ever way you look at it history for hundreds, thousands of years proves that the judicial system doesn't work. we still have people braking the laws either with intent or in error.

I don't know what the solution is but but treating offenders worse than animals isn't the solution.

Abusing offenders might make some people feel better but people with that outlook tend to scare me more than the offenders.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Why should the taxpayer have to fund there cushy prison lives for 50/100 years. Sod that! I've got the solution locked in my cabinets at home. A 12 gauge brain haemorrhage

*That might depend on how old they are when convicted.

To incarcerate a 20yr old for life costs circa $2.5 million, to execute him costs $5 million.

That may very be so. As I said, I dunno where the truth lies but it occurs to me the $2.5 million will be spread over maybe 40 or 50 years whilst the $5 million might be over a much shorter term.."

The bill for incarceration also means jobs for prison officers etc so adding to the local economy, execution means the lawyers get most of the money.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

"130yrs for a crime he commited as a boy of 13.

not quite sure how i feel about it .. its compelling viewing "

America..what a lovely place!.. where they execute child offenders.. which is prohibited under international human rights law. I have no problem with the death penalty for adult offenders... but a 13 year old child...and they complain about china's human rights!

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire

I don't know what the solution is but but treating offenders worse than animals isn't the solution.

Abusing offenders might make some people feel better but people with that outlook tend to scare me more than the offenders."

A few years back there was a show presented by Michael Portillo, which he look at the best way to execute people, which was quick and pain free.. it was found that using a nitrogen filled room the person would die quickly without pain, in fact it is deemed a euphoric death.

But when they asked the lawmakers in the USA about the idea they sad they wanted the execution to be a long and painful death and they would never us a system like this as they wanted revenge...America what a lovely place!

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

No two ways about it, if for example someone killed one of my children/family with intent my knee-jerk reaction would be to boil them in acid to within an inch of life, allow them to recover and then do it again

But I also sincerely hope that there will be someone or something to prevent me from doing that.

Apparently in some states of the US the victims family have a say in life sentence or death sentence. Those who choose the death sentence, after a couple of years or so then find that the guilt of killing someone else sets in and simply adds to their grief!

There are alsorts of totally painless methods that could be used, such as Argon gas, as it displaces oxygen. Subjected to it, the person would become unconscious in an instant without any warning, death follows though lack of oxygen while unconscious and therefor totally unaware. I dare say that nitrogen has exactly the same effect.

Personally I would have thought that being told, 'you've fucked up big time, you've been caught and now we're gonna kill you for it' was punishment enough.

History also proves that plenty of innocent people have been executed by the LAW!!!

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