FabSwingers.com forum: cyclists

By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

whats more annoying .. parked vehicles pulling out infront of you and indicating after they've manouvered or the random car door of a parked car that is swung in your path ??

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People moan about cyclists all the time but the attitude from drivers towards cyclists is shocking, i have lost count of ther amount of times i have had to slam my breaks on because cars have just pulled straight out of junctions on me, they just dont see you, or they try to out run you, or they just dont give a shit cause they have the attitude its only a bike

Ive been hit by a car twice now, both of them just pulling out of a junction on me

People crossing the road are just as bad, ive had it a few times where people have just walked onto the road straight infront of me and then had a go at me for nearly hitting them

Drives me mad at times

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By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses"

do they wear lycra when they do it though ??

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses

do they wear lycra when they do it though ??"

Yea, never understood that lol

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"People moan about cyclists all the time but the attitude from drivers towards cyclists is shocking, i have lost count of ther amount of times i have had to slam my breaks on because cars have just pulled straight out of junctions on me, they just dont see you, or they try to out run you, or they just dont give a shit cause they have the attitude its only a bike

Ive been hit by a car twice now, both of them just pulling out of a junction on me

People crossing the road are just as bad, ive had it a few times where people have just walked onto the road straight infront of me and then had a go at me for nearly hitting them

Drives me mad at times

You wouldn't have guessed

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By *itboyslim2Man
over a year ago

stevenage

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses

do they wear lycra when they do it though ??"

Of course I do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"whats more annoying .. parked vehicles pulling out infront of you and indicating after they've manouvered or the random car door of a parked car that is swung in your path ?? "

Definitely the former, though junctions are worse 'cause you never can be sure whether they've actually seen you or not

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By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"whats more annoying .. parked vehicles pulling out infront of you and indicating after they've manouvered or the random car door of a parked car that is swung in your path ??

Definitely the former, though junctions are worse 'cause you never can be sure whether they've actually seen you or not

i always slow down when approaching a junction just incase they dont stop

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By *ickiemintMan
over a year ago

Somewhere NW London

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses"

Rich

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By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

in defence of the cycling community .. at least we put our 'nipple tops' on when the weathers fine to help u guys in a traffic jam pass the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much do motorists really get delayed by cyclists riding 2 abeast - answer not much. A matter of seconds at most. Never fails to amaze me when I'm cycling in traffic how aggressive some motorists will be to overtake me, and all they gain is being behind the car I was stuck behind rather than stuck behind me stuck behind the car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh no, for me it's people who speed past me then immediately brake hard and turn left. Which means I have to brake to stop myself going into them. That usually happens several times a week.

Its just because people can't bear the thought of being held up for even a few seconds.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

try it from the other angle lost count fof the amount of times especialy in london whilst driving my truck i have had the following

turning right and indicating clearly filter turns to green for me to go accross do my mirror and saftey chack start to move off and some lycra lout will blythly sail strait across in front of me through a red light whilst staring strait at me almost chalenging me to run him over . also turning a very sharp left pull my truck accross to the centre of the road to give me room to swing in indicating left lights go green to turn left chack mirrors and sure enough theres a lycra clad idiot trying to get run over down the inside of me . now i try to give cyclists room but a lot not all dont help themselves at all with there attitude and behavior on the road

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"whats more annoying .. parked vehicles pulling out infront of you and indicating after they've manouvered or the random car door of a parked car that is swung in your path ?? "

There was a guy car doored in Holloway last year. The idiot driving had blacked out his side windows so they cut down vision by 80%. The cyslist went under a bus and was killed, the motorist was shockingly found not guilty of manslaughter.

As for which I hate more, both annoy the hell out of me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"try it from the other angle lost count fof the amount of times especialy in london whilst driving my truck i have had the following

i agree ive seen some shocking behaviour from cyclists, weaving in and out of traffic, running red lights, skipping from road to pavment at will

Theres good and bad on both sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"try it from the other angle lost count fof the amount of times especialy in london whilst driving my truck i have had the following

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By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

As for which I hate more, both annoy the hell out of me."

on a serious note .. i did follow that case as the guy was in a bus lane .. the vehicle had 'illegally blacked out windows' and was found not guilty .. i do however commend the CPS for attempting to hold motorists responsible for looking in their wing mirrors before swinging a door open .. doesn't seem a big ask

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i agree ive seen some shocking behaviour from cyclists, weaving in and out of traffic, running red lights, skipping from road to pavment at will

Theres good and bad on both sides"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for which I hate more, both annoy the hell out of me.

What disgusts me is that the windows were illegal yet that appears to have had no bearing on the case.

So many injustices, the girl in Docklands in a permanent vegative state, not seen by a truck driver who was on the phone - not guilty. The bus driver who drove over a cyclist that was in the advanced stop box in front of them because they didn't see them - not guilty. Or to be really shocked read up on Joao Correia-Lopes, having avoided jail despite defective eyesight for killing cyclist Eilidh Cairns he was finally jailled for just 4 years for killing a 97 year old pedestrian on a level crossing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

* Pedestrian crossing not level crossing

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"How much do motorists really get delayed by cyclists riding 2 abeast - answer not much. A matter of seconds at most. Never fails to amaze me when I'm cycling in traffic how aggressive some motorists will be to overtake me, and all they gain is being behind the car I was stuck behind rather than stuck behind me stuck behind the car."

I agree with you if they are riding normally. It's the ones that don't ride in a straight line and snake all over the place, which makes it dangerous to try and pass them in traffic.

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By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

What disgusts me is that the windows were illegal yet that appears to have had no bearing on the case.

correct .. there is no precedent in law that states 'once the keys are out the ignition .. u have a duty of care to other road users' .. however .. from a moral stand point ?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"try it from the other angle lost count fof the amount of times especialy in london whilst driving my truck i have had the following

How many truck drivers do you know killed by cyclists? You are the one driving the potentially lethal weapon. And you "try" to give cyclists room, that makes me feel real safe... I'm not saying cyclists are blameless, I shudder at some of what I saw in london when I lived there but victim blaming helps no one."
yes iam thats why io take great care whilst driving it i have to take care that my wide heavy vehicle doesnt colide with other vehicles moving and parked control my heavy load observe spped lane and traffic lights plus contend with pedestrains and cyclists . that is why i said TRY to give cyclists room but to many dont help themselves jumping red lights weaving in and out of parked cars riding the wrong way down roads jumping on and off pavements no lights at night dark clothing at night can list more but nobody is perfect i GIVE room when i can but i have to contend with what is coming the other way often squeezing ME accross towards the curb as i said nobody perfect but to many cyclists want to take the moral high ground like they are perfect

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By *ichelle n big alCouple
over a year ago

Derbys

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When on my bike the attitude towards me is shocking,just complete arrogance to my saftey.

I have not been knocked off but had a few close ones.

A driver looked me in the eyes but he still pulled out.I had to go up his inside where I gave his boot lid a serious punch.

I used to ride as close to the curb as I could but cars would come past way ever was coming.I now ride a good 6or 8 foot from the curb,it makes cars think before passin you.

Also riding two abreast isn't illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When on my bike the attitude towards me is shocking,just complete arrogance to my saftey.

I have not been knocked off but had a few close ones.

A driver looked me in the eyes but he still pulled out.I had to go up his inside where I gave his boot lid a serious punch.

I used to ride as close to the curb as I could but cars would come past way ever was coming.I now ride a good 6or 8 foot from the curb,it makes cars think before passin you.

Also riding two abreast isn't illegal."

Riding in the middle of the lane is called the primary position, it takes confidence but is so much safer,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many truck drivers do you know killed by cyclists? You are the one driving the potentially lethal weapon. And you "try" to give cyclists room, that makes me feel real safe... I'm not saying cyclists are blameless, I shudder at some of what I saw in london when I lived there but victim blaming helps no one.yes iam thats why io take great care whilst driving it i have to take care that my wide heavy vehicle doesnt colide with other vehicles moving and parked control my heavy load observe spped lane and traffic lights plus contend with pedestrains and cyclists . that is why i said TRY to give cyclists room but to many dont help themselves jumping red lights weaving in and out of parked cars riding the wrong way down roads jumping on and off pavements no lights at night dark clothing at night can list more but nobody is perfect i GIVE room when i can but i have to contend with what is coming the other way often squeezing ME accross towards the curb as i said nobody perfect but to many cyclists want to take the moral high ground like they are perfect "

Am i missing something, in what scenario are you squeezed back towards the left hand curb by oncoming traffic? The only one I can envisage are when you are overtaking unappropriately?

Oh and for the record one of my closest friends is a truck driver and drives in to London on an almost daily basis so I know what it is like from the your position. But like I say victim blaming is never constructive and too many motorists blame the cyclist without looking at their own part in all of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly there are so many cyclists who don't obey the laws of the road it has to be the cyclist themselves that irritate me. The sooner we make them take out insurance and take a cycle test akin to car drivers the better. It would make the roads less dangerous for them and pavements safer for pedestrians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes a very valid point, I mean motorists never break the law do they?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

How many truck drivers do you know killed by cyclists? You are the one driving the potentially lethal weapon. And you "try" to give cyclists room, that makes me feel real safe... I'm not saying cyclists are blameless, I shudder at some of what I saw in london when I lived there but victim blaming helps no one.yes iam thats why io take great care whilst driving it i have to take care that my wide heavy vehicle doesnt colide with other vehicles moving and parked control my heavy load observe spped lane and traffic lights plus contend with pedestrains and cyclists . that is why i said TRY to give cyclists room but to many dont help themselves jumping red lights weaving in and out of parked cars riding the wrong way down roads jumping on and off pavements no lights at night dark clothing at night can list more but nobody is perfect i GIVE room when i can but i have to contend with what is coming the other way often squeezing ME accross towards the curb as i said nobody perfect but to many cyclists want to take the moral high ground like they are perfect

Am i missing something, in what scenario are you squeezed back towards the left hand curb by oncoming traffic? The only one I can envisage are when you are overtaking unappropriately?

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no where some idiot motorist usualy in a 4x4 or something large and german decides to cross the center line to pass a row of parked cars on there side and push me across cos they think they own the road but like you say victim blaming solves nothing everybody needs to be aware of there suroundings just some ride around oblivious to whats around them

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses"

Don't know about the wiggling arse bit but the two abreast thing is largely safety as motorists are less inclined to try and overtake on a narrower road whereas they will do with a single cyclist often far too close to the cyclist as I have found a few times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What disgusts me is that the windows were illegal yet that appears to have had no bearing on the case.

correct .. there is no precedent in law that states 'once the keys are out the ignition .. u have a duty of care to other road users' .. however .. from a moral stand point ?"

What difference does the keys make?

Even pedestrians are road users and have a duty of care to other road users

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Insurance is for protecting 3rd parties.. If a cyclist collides with a car what damage will there be to the car?

All road users need to anticipate the actions of other road users and drive accordingly.. If a car is driving sensibally and safely then they can avoid most accidents

Another way to look at it is pedestrians step out and cause accidents to, should they be insured?

U can get insurance that means u can sue a pedestrian or cyclist if they cause an accident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no where some idiot motorist usualy in a 4x4 or something large and german decides to cross the center line to pass a row of parked cars on there side and push me across cos they think they own the road but like you say victim blaming solves nothing everybody needs to be aware of there suroundings just some ride around oblivious to whats around them "

So, in the scenario where a car thinks driving in to your path is a good idea, as I see it you have 2 options - To brake, or assuming that you are far enough over to swerve to the left potentially putting vulnerable road users at risk. And from what I understand, despite the fact that in your initial post you are refering to driving in London, a city where traffic moves at an average speed of something stupid like 15mph, you don't think that simply braking is a more responsible and undeniably safer option than swerving to the left? This is despite your own acknowledgement that cyclists may be on your inside?

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By *azzaahhWoman
over a year ago

north wales / chester

My biggest gripe is they ride on the road like they should.. then they come to red traffic lights then they suddenly think its ok to rife the path until they have passed the lights then get back on the road ..seen it 3 times thus week .makes me so mad

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"My biggest gripe is they ride on the road like they should.. then they come to red traffic lights then they suddenly think its ok to rife the path until they have passed the lights then get back on the road ..seen it 3 times thus week .makes me so mad "

I commute to work by bike every day of the year, i see motorists jump red lights at every single junction i hit both coming and going to work - every single day. I see drivers accelerate towards a light that has just turned red so they don't have to wait for a cycle of the lights. I do see cyclists jump lights, but i see it less than once a week - i try to keep count because so many drivers like to claim all cyclists jump lights, yet i see far, far more motorists jump the lights than i do cyclists.

I've even been clipped by a car behind me jumping a red light THAT I HAD STOPPED AT.

I always stop at red, not just because i should do but to make a point to the vehicle behind me that the rules apply to all.

When in heavy traffic i take the primary position directly in the centre of the lane (as taught by the Institute for Advanced Motorists) and claim my position on the road.

I have very little agro because of this although you do get the very occasional imbecile who cannot equate safe and defensive cycling with driving in a safe manner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

SPeaking as a cyclist and A motorist who drives everyday there are good and bad in both sections, when driving I see cyclist do the most stupid things just to save 10 secondsat lights or behind a car, and when on my bike the thinks drivers do astound me, sometimes its like they are targeting you and trying to knock you off, I've lost count of the times a vehicle as come past me and squeezed me right in to the curb

And I will see when I'm out riding with the wife I ride 2 a breast to protect her and keep her on the inside,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is just envy. They can do something that you can't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is just envy. They can do something that you can't."

What a stupid statement just because you ride a pushbike doesn't mean the rules of the road don't apply to you,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoken by the type of driver whose ego is defined by his use of the road. This is the problem as identified by psychiatrists - perfectly normal people become egotistical and patronising when it comes to driving. They are never at fault and often demonstrating their superior skills and abilities by remonstrating with other road users who they feel demonstrate lesser abilities.

The 4 wheeled metal cage is a lethal weapon and far too many drivers are cushioned from the risks that they pose to cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders by sheer ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is just envy. They can do something that you can't.

What a stupid statement just because you ride a pushbike doesn't mean the rules of the road don't apply to you, "

That's right. Motorists NEVER break the rules and always adhere to the Highway Code don't they?

I have never seen a speeding motorist and every vehicle that has ever overtaken me has done so in accordance with the Highway Code. By that it means that vehicles overtake me giving me as much room as they would as if overtaking another car - that is what it says in the Highway Code! Never have I seen a car user on their mobile phone and never ever do I see cars loitering on double yellows... Yes in my dreams.... Do I need to go on ?

It is exactly this sanctimonious attitude that car drivers can selectively apply the bits of the Highway Code that they want to - but everyone else has to follow it to the word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a brilliant attitude to have because certain people break the law I will too, as I said in am early post there are cocks in all walks of life all we can do is try and make sure we as people stick to what's right, by your reasoning people go out robbing so I should do it too?

And to say someone is jealous because the drive tothe law and it annoys them when others don't Is childish at best

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses"
you love it

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

What a stupid statement just because you ride a pushbike doesn't mean the rules of the road don't apply to you,

That's right. Motorists NEVER break the rules and always adhere to the Highway Code don't they?

MOST drivers adhere to the highway code MOST of the time. The same can not be said for cyclists where MOST of the cyclists ignore (or are unaware of) the highway code MOST of the time.

There are some very good cyclist just as there are some very good drivers. The difference is at the other end of the scale. A very poor driver will either never get on the road or will have the privilege of driving removed (yes I know before you say it...that dosn't stop everyone but they are breaking the law before they do something stupid). There is NOTHING to stop a poor cyclist except mortality and then the driver will nearly always get the blame.

I do not even get annoyed with poor cycling anymore. It is so common as to be unnote worthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok let me put this into words you can understand.

I drive a car and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I ride a motorcycle and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I ride a bicycle and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

When I do things that I shouldn't in the car, no one really minds. When I do things that I shouldn't on my motorcycle , car drivers are the first to criticise. When I do things that I shouldn't on my bicycle, car drivers are the first to complain.

I use whichever means of transport that is best suited to my journey and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't. Let he who always abides by the law cast the first stone.

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

as a licence holder since 17; I don't

ride on the roads much by bike never busy roads;

but one thing I was told when first

having a moped on the road treat everyone else as idiots and you will

stay alive longer never a truer word.

I allways anticipate a doors going to open and that woman in the mini/audi

is going to pull out even though shes seen me in my bright green jacket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"as a licence holder since 17; I don't

ride on the roads much by bike never busy roads;

but one thing I was told when first

having a moped on the road treat everyone else as idiots and you will

stay alive longer never a truer word.

I allways anticipate a doors going to open and that woman in the mini/audi

is going to pull out even though shes seen me in my bright green jacket."

Good attitude

you have to think this way.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

That is just envy. They can do something that you can't.

What a stupid statement just because you ride a pushbike doesn't mean the rules of the road don't apply to you, "

Cycling on the pavement is illegal if you are over 16.

So deciding to be a pavement user because the lights have changed is illegal. Unless of course, you dismount and walk your bike across.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is just envy. They can do something that you can't.

What a stupid statement just because you ride a pushbike doesn't mean the rules of the road don't apply to you,

Cycling on the pavement is illegal if you are over 16.

So deciding to be a pavement user because the lights have changed is illegal. Unless of course, you dismount and walk your bike across."

There is a junction near us where three cyclists and two motorcyclists have been knocked off in the last five years. It is not in an urban area and the path is rarely used.

I would rather go on the pavement than risk my health on that junction - and that applies to almost every other cyclist who uses it. The only time I get really stressed is on the motorbike when I can't do what I do on the push bike.

It is too easy to spout the law and our local Police will always accept safety over the letter of the law. It is about consideration to people who are more vulnerable than you.

A cyclist charging along a pavement full of people deserves a caution. A cyclist using in empty pavement instead of a narrow road is unlikely to be cautioned - particularly if the road is not a 30mph limit.

The problem is that car drivers are at the top of this food chain and everything below them is at risk from poor driving or an innocent mistake. A cyclist would never be prosecuted for riding on a pavement if it was safe to do so and he/she was not cycling inconsiderately and putting pedestrians at risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a woman hit me the other day on a roundabout I was on the roundabout and she drove straight into me lucky she only hit my front wheel but sent me flying she then drove off so did not get her number plate

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was once run into by a cyclist - I was walking on the pavement when all of a sudden I was hit from behind by a lycra lout on a racing bike! Knocked me down, leaving me with broken wrist, when I shouted to him to stop he shouted back "fuck off twat" and pedalled off as fast as he could - still on the pavement weaving in and out of pedestrians!! I hate cyclists using the pavement.

Then there is the issue of people with bikes using the trains. So annoying when some person with a full size bike gets on the train at rush hour and puts the bike across the train doors! Bring back the guard's van and make them use that. Or ban them until a certain time of the morning and evening.

Yes, I do have a bike for leisure riding but don't use the pavements. I ride on the road and try to obey the highway code and also be extremely aware of my surroundings and traffic conditions.

To twist a certain campaigns words - Think Traffic, the thought could save your life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had a woman hit me the other day on a roundabout I was on the roundabout and she drove straight into me lucky she only hit my front wheel but sent me flying she then drove off so did not get her number plate

Oh dear, left you so shocked you posted twice!!

Seriously, hope you are ok.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

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Insurance is for protecting 3rd parties.. If a cyclist collides with a car what damage will there be to the car?

All road users need to anticipate the actions of other road users and drive accordingly.. If a car is driving sensibally and safely then they can avoid most accidents

Another way to look at it is pedestrians step out and cause accidents to, should they be insured?

U can get insurance that means u can sue a pedestrian or cyclist if they cause an accident.

Used to work for a car dealership near the New Forset. A small camper van was brought into the garage where I was working with severe front damage. It waas touch and go as to the vehicle being written off. The damage was caused by a cyclist that lost control of their cycle on a hill. The camper van was parked at the time and the driver lost his no claims bonus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok let me put this into words you can understand.

I drive a car and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I ride a motorcycle and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I ride a bicycle and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I use whichever means of transport that is best suited to my journey and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't. Let he who always abides by the law cast the first stone."

So your a poor driver a poor motorcyclist and A poor cyclist? Congratulations on the 3 of a kind

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I'm always bemused by how all cyclists - from the kid on the shonky BMX to the 50yr old on the carbon Pinarello - are all grouped together in one homogeneous lump whilst motorist are all separately categerised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok let me put this into words you can understand.

I drive a car and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I ride a motorcycle and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I ride a bicycle and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't.

I use whichever means of transport that is best suited to my journey and sometimes I do things that I shouldn't. Let he who always abides by the law cast the first stone.

So your a poor driver a poor motorcyclist and A poor cyclist? Congratulations on the 3 of a kind"

Seems that way doesn't it. 45 years of cycling, 36 years of motorcycling and 35 years of driving. No accidents, no spills, a clean licence and just the one historic speeding offence (80 on the motorway) many years ago.

Then again it may just be about risk perception, risk assessment and reasonable judgement?

Could it be perhaps I am just telling the truth and that everyone routinely breaks the law but would rather be judgemental on others rather than themselves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was once run into by a cyclist - I was walking on the pavement when all of a sudden I was hit from behind by a lycra lout on a racing bike! Knocked me down, leaving me with broken wrist, when I shouted to him to stop he shouted back "fuck off twat" and pedalled off as fast as he could - still on the pavement weaving in and out of pedestrians!! I hate cyclists using the pavement.

Yes, I do have a bike for leisure riding but don't use the pavements. I ride on the road and try to obey the highway code and also be extremely aware of my surroundings and traffic conditions.

To twist a certain campaigns words - Think Traffic, the thought could save your life. "

Oh the beauty of an anonymous internet forum where you can post anything you like and never be accountable as to whether it is 100% true, slightly embellished or completely made up.

Nice story though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I do have a bike for leisure riding but don't use the pavements. I ride on the road and try to obey the highway code and also be extremely aware of my surroundings and traffic conditions.

To twist a certain campaigns words - Think Traffic, the thought could save your life. "

Non folding bikes are banned from almost all peak time trains but Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Not sure how cyclist gets the blame for their being no guards vans?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

((((GROUP HUG))))

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we call them lycra louts round here always thought they looked a biy gay in all that lycra myself

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Because to some people cyclists are a sub species unworthy of respect and to be subjected to irrational tirades, rather than a set of legitimate road users.

No, i don't know why either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A cyclist was knocked over by a council lorry treating icy roads.

"Bastard" he said through gritted teeth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i cruise the pavements mostly. roads are way too dangerous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I do have a bike for leisure riding but don't use the pavements. I ride on the road and try to obey the highway code and also be extremely aware of my surroundings and traffic conditions.

To twist a certain campaigns words - Think Traffic, the thought could save your life.

Non folding bikes are banned from almost all peak time trains but Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Not sure how cyclist gets the blame for their being no guards vans? "

Non folding bikes may be banned as you say but people ignore the ban and still take them on. If you doubt me, try the Southend Victoria- London Liverpool Street line sometime at peak time. See for yourself.

I didn't blame cyclists for there no longer being any guards vans - don't read something that isn't there.

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

the haters want to grow a pair;

get out on a bike round Harrogate

then see about cycling on pavements

the cycle lanes round me in seaton are full of parked cars;

as for pay rd tax we save greenhouse gas

and you will be able to go farther with all the energy saved

main point get out and try before taking shots

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By *ugartitsandhimCouple
over a year ago

North West

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cyclists who ride on pavements are just assholes who cant read the highway code and need their bikes crushing if caught.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cyclists who ride on pavements are just assholes who cant read the highway code and need their bikes crushing if caught. "

And car drivers who overtake cyclists without giving them the same room as a car as per the Highway Code section 163 when overtaking:

"give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car"

They should definately get their car crushed cos they clearly believe that their car is far more precious than the life of a cyclist AND they love to demand that others know the Highway Code whilst they themselves are allowed selective knowledge.

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over a year ago

"Cyclists who ride on pavements are just assholes who cant read the highway code and need their bikes crushing if caught.

And car drivers who overtake cyclists without giving them the same room as a car as per the Highway Code section 163 when overtaking:

"give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car"

I Have to say you have it upon a bugbear of mine as a cyclist there, horse riders ride 2 and 3 a breast at 5 mile an hour taking up all the road, and people slow down for them and give them a wide bearth and don't treat them like the scum of the earth, but yet they have no tax no insurance and A horse will do a lot more damage than a human

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

"Sadly there are so many cyclists who don't obey the laws of the road it has to be the cyclist themselves that irritate me. The sooner we make them take out insurance and take a cycle test akin to car drivers the better. It would make the roads less dangerous for them and pavements safer for pedestrians. I was obeying the law the other week yet 3 ft away a car pulled out on me ;I was in a cycling lane at the time idiots take and pass tests all the time and insurance don't make me laugh my bikes are worth more than a lot of cars;;;breathe breathe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i agree ive seen some shocking behaviour from cyclists, weaving in and out of traffic, running red lights, skipping from road to pavment at will

Theres good and bad on both sides"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nah I think it's the cyclists who go two a breast and wiggle their arses

do they wear lycra when they do it though ??"

Oh yes, I always wear lycra - with nothing (apart from the chamois) underneath...

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Cyclists who ride on pavements are just assholes who cant read the highway code and need their bikes crushing if caught.

And car drivers who overtake cyclists without giving them the same room as a car as per the Highway Code section 163 when overtaking:

"give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car"

That's because - like it or not - horses, along with pedestrians and cyclists have an absolute right to use the Queen's Highways* whilst motor vehicles of any description are merely licensed to do so, and that license can be rescinded at any time.

Motorists who give time and space to horses - as they rightly should - understand that a horse is an unpredictable creature and a big one to boot, therefore they will give it time and space as it is a potential threat to them.

Cyclists on the other hand represent no physical threat to them or their vehicles and so it is felt (by some) that space and time is not required when passing a cyclist.

Most motorists are fine of course, i commute every day and 99% of vehicles that pass me do so either in a safe and courteous manner or at least without actively trying to intimidate me. Whilst some drivers come too close through simple ignorance of what a close pass feels like, i don't believe most are feeling aggressive towards me.

Even the ones who do pull a thoughtless stunt are doing it through ignorance and misunderstanding i believe.

I've come to the conclusion that most motorists simply can't judge speed and distance when it comes to cycles, simply because they are so conditioned into judging speed & distance with motor vehicles, and it takes a second or two to re-calibrate their minds. Unfortunately this can cause an accident when someone pulls out/across/in front of a cyclist and they don't realise he/she is doing circa 20mph.

There are some people - unfortunately - who are aggressive and dangerous to cyclists, but i suspect they are like that to ALL road users.

The constant de-humanisation of cyclists, by people spouting their Clarksonesque nonsense about non-existent road taxes and insurance doesn't help though. As the law currently stands cyclists are liable for the same amount of Vehicle Exise Duty (NOT Road Tax) as a Band A motor vehicle - £0.00

Insurance is not legally required as the threat to life and property is considered too minimal to be worth the time/effort/cost of implementing such a law.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

*Except Motorways.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I've given up on swiping cyclists as I drive past them....it's a bastard job un-entangling their sodding bikes from my wheelarch....and don't get me started on unwrapping all that torn lycra from my exhaust.

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

"Sadly there are so many cyclists who don't obey the laws of the road it has to be the cyclist themselves that irritate me. The sooner we make them take out insurance and take a cycle test akin to car drivers the better. It would make the roads less dangerous for them and pavements safer for pedestrians. "
just been out shopping on a crossing light on red a car came flying through;by your logic you need insurance and training to use a crossing

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

theres a good clip on youtube;

a car cuts up a cyclist intimidating

so he just swipes the mirror off

on the road the first thing you need is a helmet 2nd a go pro cam

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"theres a good clip on youtube;

a car cuts up a cyclist intimidating

so he just swipes the mirror off

on the road the first thing you need is a helmet 2nd a go pro cam"

Ive done that.

Not proud of myself either. I was heading up to a red light at a junction, i was the first in the queue.

A driver behind me was so determined to be ahead of the pesky cyclist at the line that he squeezed through a gap that wasn't there, almost smearing me down the line of traffic to my left (three lane junction, traffic in lanes 1 & 3 none in lane 2 where i was).

When i tapped on his window and asked him why he almost killed me to get to the red light, he simply waved his hand and said "yeah yeah, whatever..."

I'm ashamed to say he got the wrong reaction as i punched his wing mirror off.

Not big, not clever, and i hope i never do that again, but the complete disregard for another persons safety simply to be 8ft closer to the line at a junction was astounding.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I know links are frowned upon, but this is a very well written piece about road safety

http://singletrackworld.com/2013/01/the-case-for-presumed-liability-by-stewart-pratt/

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

it tickles me to watch these motorists when 2-3 of them reach a traffic island and none have a clue who is supposed to be giving way to whom!,lol.

i get wound up when out in my car though when waiting at an island at my local tescos and they drive towards me then just turn left into the rosd leading to the supermarket without any thoughts at signalling at all,i hoot my horn and wave my fist at them and the poor motorists just cannot fathom out what they done wrong the pathetic pratts!.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

"I've given up on swiping cyclists as I drive past them....it's a bastard job un-entangling their sodding bikes from my wheelarch....and don't get me started on unwrapping all that torn lycra from my exhaust."

ooh!,you are a clever smart arse aren't you?.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

ooh!,you are a clever smart arse aren't you?.

Having a sense of humour is probably a better trait that being a rude person....which you clearly display here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a program on not long back showing some of the things cyclists do and how they cause accidents. As the lorry driver stated he was turning legally when a bike went past on the inside now if he had killed cyclist he would have had to live with that for the test of his life even though he was in the right. To many cyclists seem to forget they have to obey the laws of the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have missed most of the thread.

Cyclist makes a mistake - killed or injured

Car driver makes a mistake, cyclist killed or injured.

Safety trumps Highway Code every day and you won't find a Policeman in the UK who would dispute that. The incident you refer to was the cyclist just not having awareness of danger as opposed to maliciously breaking the law. Ignorance nearly killed her, not breaking the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have missed most of the thread.

Cyclist makes a mistake - killed or injured

Car driver makes a mistake, cyclist killed or injured.

No my remark was to the person who seems to be intent on blaming the HGV driver for everything and not realising some times the cyclist Is to blame some times. And ignorance of the law is no defence and as I said the driver would have had to live with the death for the rest of his life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ooh!,you are a clever smart arse aren't you?.

Having a sense of humour is probably a better trait that being a rude person....which you clearly display here."

RTAs are nothing to joke about...

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

ooh!,you are a clever smart arse aren't you?.

Having a sense of humour is probably a better trait that being a rude person....which you clearly display here.

RTAs are nothing to joke about..."

It's ok....I've stopped running cyclists over now...it was just a phase I was going through, I'm strictly a pedestrian killer now.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

ooh!,you are a clever smart arse aren't you?.

Hahaha!

Having a sense of humour is probably a better trait that being a rude person....which you clearly display here.

RTAs are nothing to joke about...

It's ok....I've stopped running cyclists over now...it was just a phase I was going through, I'm strictly a pedestrian killer now."

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By *isterTeaseMan
over a year ago

Chigwell

I'm a cyclist & an ex push bike courier, I've had many close shaves involving cars, busses, pedestrian & motorcyclists. It amazes me how little self awareness these motorists have in central London, the amount of times I've nearly been crushed by the old bendy buses is shocking or when bus driver don't pull over to the curb & let passengers off. Motorcyclist weaving in & out of cycle & bus lane is dangerous, *why the law was changed so they can use bus lane I do not know, it's just made cycling more dangerous on the road*. & don't get me started on pedestrian casually walking out in to the road without looking left & right oxford street is a prime example of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do traffic lights not seem to mean anything to cyclists? They just ride on through and think no one notices, yup they wind me up. As for 2 or 3 or 4 a breast wearing ridiculous coloured outfits, err its not the Tour de France on a Sunday in Fife with just 4 of you ......

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Why do traffic lights not seem to mean anything to cyclists? They just ride on through and think no one notices, yup they wind me up. As for 2 or 3 or 4 a breast wearing ridiculous coloured outfits, err its not the Tour de France on a Sunday in Fife with just 4 of you ......"

Riding abreast is a safety measure against the arsehole motorists who don't know the highway code and are a great danger to cyclists who are believe it or not entitled to use the road.

My wife was knocked from her bike by a bus driver who clearly couldnt judge distances or didn't care and I was almost met head on with a car as the driver crossed to my side to avoid a pot hole but funnily enough he wasn't too bothered about running me over his car actually brushed along my leg as he passed ,if I could have caught the idiot I would have smacked his mouth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Riding abreast is a safety measure against the arsehole motorists who don't know the highway code and are a great danger to cyclists who are believe it or not entitled to use the road.

Yep and the bright coloured outfits are all about helping dozy drivers notice us on the road!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Club cyclist are an absolute menace up here on the mountain roads around Snowdonia.

The average cyclists here are quite ok, sensible and good road-users. They are just other road-users and it's no problem to share the road with them.

It's the club riders that are such a danger - they try to ride fast, head down, and swing all over the road or simply turn across it without a thought for other traffic and have absolutely no concept of the idea of looking behind them to see if there is anyone there.

And no - it's not just the odd one - it seems like they are all like it!

But if we should happen to connect with one, due to their careless diversions, oh, just guess who's going to get blamed!!!

I've had some really scary near-misses due to total stupidity on their part!

It's the club-type riders who give cyclists such a dreadful reputation, and I'm sure that respectable riders unfortunately loose out as a result...

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

Riding abreast is a safety measure against the arsehole motorists who don't know the highway code and are a great danger to cyclists who are believe it or not entitled to use the road.

Yep and the bright coloured outfits are all about helping dozy drivers notice us on the road!"

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

Riding abreast is a safety measure against the arsehole motorists who don't know the highway code and are a great danger to cyclists who are believe it or not entitled to use the road.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

ooh!,you are a clever smart arse aren't you?.

Having a sense of humour is probably a better trait that being a rude person....which you clearly display here."

not having a sense of humour?,its no joke to have to spend 2 days in hospital because an idiotic car driver could not see me so he ploughed into me even though i was the only other person on the road and i was wearing the (highly)reccomended on here bright yellow hi-vis vest!,i was off work with a broken wrist for 4 months through this prat of a motorist!.

it is no joke mrs!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Club cyclist are an absolute menace up here on the mountain roads around Snowdonia.

The average cyclists here are quite ok, sensible and good road-users. They are just other road-users and it's no problem to share the road with them.

And no - it's not just the odd one - it seems like they are all like it!

But if we should happen to connect with one, due to their careless diversions, oh, just guess who's going to get blamed!!!

I've had some really scary near-misses due to total stupidity on their part!

It's the club-type riders who give cyclists such a dreadful reputation, and I'm sure that respectable riders unfortunately loose out as a result...

Absolutely agree there.

My delivery is in the sticks and all week no problem , but come Saturday the bloody cyclist are a menace .

They come whizzing down the back roads faster than a car would dare and meet me blocking the road and skid up to me , give me some abuse , then hare off again.

The guy whom I took the round over from got run over by bikes twice in one summer alone.

Go out for a pleasant gentle ride by all means but take your racing some where else please.

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over a year ago

The problem as I see it can be defined as; There are too many arseholes on the roads in general.

People on both sides who don't know how to behave and are just plain stupid, ignorant, aggressive and wrapped up in their "I can't be held up for 2 seconds on MY journey" attitudes.

There are more arseholes in the motorized brigade however, simply because they represent a larger percentage of the road users than cyclists. So a motorist might say "I've seen an arsehole on a bike go through a red light again today!" But a cyclist will probably be able to say "Today I've been cut up 10 times and had 5 people brush my handlebars with their wing mirrors as they overtake too closely".

What the motorized arseholes need to remember is that their arseholery is contained within a metal box full of safety devices. Cyclists are vulnerable and their arseholery will only get them into painful trouble.

It's widely noted that car and van drivers exist in their own little safety bubble, sealed inside while everyone else is an enemy to get in front of. Truck drivers, motorcyclists and cyclists have far more camaraderie and will tend to look out for each other.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"The problem as I see it can be defined as; There are too many arseholes on the roads in general.

People on both sides who don't know how to behave and are just plain stupid, ignorant, aggressive and wrapped up in their "I can't be held up for 2 seconds on MY journey" attitudes.

Being both a motorist and a cyclist I do give cyclists plenty of room as I know how dangerous a car can be when its too close.

Cyclists do run red lights but then so do motorists and any cyclist stupid enough to do so and gets it wrong will regret a lot more than the person in a car will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, I think it's high time that cyclists were registered and road-taxed like the majority of road users. A clear licence plate on a bike, and special cameras at hotspots, would save a lot of injuries and lives. It would also make cyclists more accountable for their actions and accidents.

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over a year ago

"Personally, I think it's high time that cyclists were registered and road-taxed like the majority of road users. A clear licence plate on a bike, and special cameras at hotspots, would save a lot of injuries and lives. It would also make cyclists more accountable for their actions and accidents. "

Can you remind me the tax rate for the most environmentally friendly cars?

And how many people were killed in collisions caused by cyclists last year? Or the year before? And then maybe compare that to the amount killed in cars?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a common idea (by motorists incidentally) that cyclists should pay road tax. Unfortunately though, there is no such thing, its actually vehicle excise duty. And with the bicycle not being a vehicle (motorised) they are rightly exempt.

I agree though that they should abide by the rules and laws of the highway code.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"try it from the other angle lost count fof the amount of times especialy in london whilst driving my truck i have had the following

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over a year ago

I agree though that they should abide by the rules and laws of the highway code.

I didn't say anything about paying - tax-exempt vehicles still have to display the disc. I'm about 60% cyclist and 40% motorist and have no problem with being registered or accountable for either. I would hazard a guess that any cyclist not in favour of legal accountability is one of the dangerous ones.

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over a year ago

Can you remind me the tax rate for the most environmentally friendly cars?

And how many people were killed in collisions caused by cyclists last year? Or the year before? And then maybe compare that to the amount killed in cars?

Environmentally friendly !!! God , don't start me on that bullshit .

Fuckwit religion for the easy led and hard of thinking .

can you tell me in what way cycling as a mode of transport (as opposed to the competitive side) is not environmentally friendly?"

Take a look at the carbon footprints of the companies that make the bicycle components.

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over a year ago

You're not really going to argue that cycling isn't environmentally friendly just because of the manufacturers?!

You'll have us all on foot if that's the case!!

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over a year ago

Can you remind me the tax rate for the most environmentally friendly cars?

And how many people were killed in collisions caused by cyclists last year? Or the year before? And then maybe compare that to the amount killed in cars?

Environmentally friendly !!! God , don't start me on that bullshit .

Fuckwit religion for the easy led and hard of thinking .

can you tell me in what way cycling as a mode of transport (as opposed to the competitive side) is not environmentally friendly?

Take a look at the carbon footprints of the companies that make the bicycle components."

Oh you are having a laugh surely?

How does that compare to the carbon footprint of a crap being maufactured?

How does the carbon footprint of my commute (30 miles a day on a bike) compare to the carbon foortprint of a motorist doing the same journey?

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"You're not really going to argue that cycling isn't environmentally friendly just because of the manufacturers?!

You'll have us all on foot if that's the case!!"

It's certainly environmentally friendly in comparison to a car, but still not as friendly as shanks' pony (but only if you don't fart en route)

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over a year ago

Can you remind me the tax rate for the most environmentally friendly cars?

And how many people were killed in collisions caused by cyclists last year? Or the year before? And then maybe compare that to the amount killed in cars?

Environmentally friendly !!! God , don't start me on that bullshit .

Fuckwit religion for the easy led and hard of thinking .

can you tell me in what way cycling as a mode of transport (as opposed to the competitive side) is not environmentally friendly?

Take a look at the carbon footprints of the companies that make the bicycle components.

Oh you are having a laugh surely?

How does that compare to the carbon footprint of a crap being maufactured?

How does the carbon footprint of my commute (30 miles a day on a bike) compare to the carbon foortprint of a motorist doing the same journey?

Edit: "cars being manufacured" not crap

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

The old canard about cyclists being taxed and insured is always trotted out when people want to have a go at cyclists.

This website :-

http://ipayroadtax.com/

will dispel the halftruths and falshoods spouted by those who don't like seeing cyclists on the roads 'they pay for'.

The simple truth is that cyclists have a legal right to use the highway, a right that can only be repealed by an act of law from Parliament.

Motorists are merely licensed to use the highways and that license can be rescinded at any time.

The reason for that is that motor vehicles are a far, far greater potential threat to life and property than any bicycle and the laws reflect that.

The insurance issue is a red herring, statistically speaking the issue of damage by cycles is way too small to bother with, if there were money to be made in that market you can bet the insurance firms would be pushing for it.

No Govt is going to consider bringing in pointless laws about cycling when all the major parties are pushing the same agenda about reducing carbon emissions and increasing the public health.

The laws of the road adhere to all users, but why is it that motorists who make such a noise about 'all cyclists jumping red lights' etc are so quiet about the many more motorists who jump red lights, break the speed limits, drive whilst using their phones/texting/web browsing, under the influence etc.

Is it because you see cyclists as a faceless group yet because you are a driver you cannot look at motorists in the same way, even though motorists commit far, far more offences every day?

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over a year ago

"The old canard about cyclists being taxed and insured is always trotted out when people want to have a go at cyclists.

Everytime! Its the old faithful

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"The old canard about cyclists being taxed and insured is always trotted out when people want to have a go at cyclists.

Everytime! Its the old faithful

I get disappointed by it, shows a lack of ambition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and in summary some cycle and car rivers seem to think they own the road as a driver years back i was dumfounded about how other drivers ( dont even get me started how motor way and one on back street road and always rember the van driver who knocked me over and then had a verbal attck at me as i lay on throad ????? strange ghow its nevers fault when these accidenst that happen eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had all sorts happen on the bike, boy racers swerving towards me, full two litre bottles of water slung at my from white van men. Rubbish thrown, McDonalds milkshake thrown at me.

There's a great solution now, Go Pro attached to the bike and the helmet

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I've had all sorts happen on the bike, boy racers swerving towards me, full two litre bottles of water slung at my from white van men. Rubbish thrown, McDonalds milkshake thrown at me.

There's a great solution now, Go Pro attached to the bike and the helmet

I have to be fair and say that the great majority of drivers are fine on my daily commute. I do get more idiocy when out on the road bike of a weekend/evening but i suspect - as i said before - that a lot of drivers simply cannot compute comparative speeds when looking at a bike.

My commuter is a slow, heavy singlespeed thing and i think it is that sort of speed motorists expect.

When on the road bike and moving between 17 - 24mph it does seem to confuse drivers, i regularly get cars attempting an overtake then dropping back because of oncoming traffic so i suspect it is the higher speed they cannot compute.

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over a year ago

"I've had all sorts happen on the bike, boy racers swerving towards me, full two litre bottles of water slung at my from white van men. Rubbish thrown, McDonalds milkshake thrown at me.

There's a great solution now, Go Pro attached to the bike and the helmet

My commuter is a slow, heavy singlespeed thing and i think it is that sort of speed motorists expect.

Agreed, but covering me in Strawberry Mcflurry is not getting to help them gauge my breakneck speed either lol

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I've had all sorts happen on the bike, boy racers swerving towards me, full two litre bottles of water slung at my from white van men. Rubbish thrown, McDonalds milkshake thrown at me.

There's a great solution now, Go Pro attached to the bike and the helmet

My commuter is a slow, heavy singlespeed thing and i think it is that sort of speed motorists expect.

Agreed, but covering me in Strawberry Mcflurry is not getting to help them gauge my breakneck speed either lol

Well no!

Did once have my arse grabbed by a girl leaning out of a passenger window!

Wouldn't mind but i was on the MTB rather than the road bike so was wearing mud caked baggies not lycra!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've had all sorts happen on the bike, boy racers swerving towards me, full two litre bottles of water slung at my from white van men. Rubbish thrown, McDonalds milkshake thrown at me.

There's a great solution now, Go Pro attached to the bike and the helmet

My commuter is a slow, heavy singlespeed thing and i think it is that sort of speed motorists expect.

Agreed, but covering me in Strawberry Mcflurry is not getting to help them gauge my breakneck speed either lol

Well no!

Did once have my arse grabbed by a girl leaning out of a passenger window!

Wouldn't mind but i was on the MTB rather than the road bike so was wearing mud caked baggies not lycra!"

I thought this thread was meant to be about the disadvantages of cycling?

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over a year ago

I cycle, drive cars, drive HGVs and ride motorbikes so can see this one from all aspects. Regardless of my mode of transport for the day, I just assume every other road user will not see me or do something unexpected, if everyone using the road just gave more room for everyone else there'd be far less stress on the roads, everyone's in too much a hurry and think that there journey is more important than anyone else's. Too much tailgating, running red lights, poor observation or signalling from all road users.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I cycle, drive cars, drive HGVs and ride motorbikes so can see this one from all aspects. Regardless of my mode of transport for the day, I just assume every other road user will not see me or do something unexpected, if everyone using the road just gave more room for everyone else there'd be far less stress on the roads, everyone's in too much a hurry and think that there journey is more important than anyone else's. Too much tailgating, running red lights, poor observation or signalling from all road users. "

Agree completely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I cyclist I hate that too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me.

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over a year ago

I hate it when filtering (going up the side of cars when they are stopped at traffic lights) and one of them pulls into the kurb to stop you passing, am I really casusing that much hassle that you have to attempt to block me passing you.

When this happens I just go round the other side and the driver cant do anything.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I'm always careful around cyclists. After all, they are among the most vulnerable of road users.

I don't understand the aggression I see against them on the road. Drivers are protected by a tin box - cyclists have no protection.

That being said - those who ride inconsiderately (endangering other vulnerable road users like pedestrians) are very annoying. As are those who wear dark clothing on dark nights with no lights on - are they unaware that they are invisible to drivers often until the last minute? I have nearly hit so many of these. Scares the bejeesus out of me.

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

"I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me."
why don't you read the thread BORING

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By *itboyslim2Man
over a year ago

stevenage

"I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me."

YEA lets tax pedestrians who cross the road too

and horse riders...don't forget kids on scooters and skate boards...

I'd happily pay more as a car driver pedestrian and cyclist....because as we know it every penny of road tax goes into the roads

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

you wont like cyclist at all ;when oil runs out too idiots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you wont like cyclist at all ;when oil runs out too idiots

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me."

Then i suggest you look into the subject of Vehicle Excise Duty and vehicular insurance.

But to start you off, there is no such thing as "road tax" and there hasn't been since 1937. VED is a tax on the emmissions of the vehicle and as such cycles are bound to pay the same VED as a Band A vehicle. The funds raised through VED are not ring-fenced for road maintenance and are part of the general tax haul. Roads are paid for by Council Tax, you know the tax ALL working adults pay whether they drive or not.

A little investigation goes a long way if you can be bothered to look it up rather than spouting the same tired old silliness.

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over a year ago

"I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me.

Then i suggest you look into the subject of Vehicle Excise Duty and vehicular insurance.

A little investigation goes a long way if you can be bothered to look it up rather than spouting the same tired old silliness."

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over a year ago

"I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me.

Then i suggest you look into the subject of Vehicle Excise Duty and vehicular insurance.

A little investigation goes a long way if you can be bothered to look it up rather than spouting the same tired old silliness."

I think you're being a bit petty here - I think the implication of "road tax" is to infer that cyclists be made legally responsible for using and being on the roads, whether it's called VED or Road Tax it's just semantics. I've been to many incidents where a cyclist has hit a pedestrian and just ridden off, knowing that they can get away and have no number to spot and be reported. It happens all the time in London. Any wheeled road-user should be accountable for the accidents they cause, or are involved in.

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By *reelove1969 OP Couple
over a year ago

bristol

" I've been to many incidents where a cyclist has hit a pedestrian and just ridden off, knowing that they can get away and have no number to spot and be reported. It happens all the time in London. Any wheeled road-user should be accountable for the accidents they cause, or are involved in."

Ive been cycling for many years and can hand on heart say that i have never seen a cyclist knock a pedestrian over .. however, I am not disputing that it does occur. I have however, been ran over off a hit and run motorist on a mobile telephone at 11 am in the morning. A very kind passerby did however take the number plate down for me however 7 months later and still unable to work I am massively out of pocket and still in extreme pain with my back. I have not slept through the night continuously for longer than I can remember.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I don't like cyclists at all. My daughter got hit by one who figured that zebra crossing doesn't count for him.

But also what's with their own bit of road space with no road tax paid. Why don't they have to have insurance.

It's one thing that really annoys me.

Then i suggest you look into the subject of Vehicle Excise Duty and vehicular insurance.

A little investigation goes a long way if you can be bothered to look it up rather than spouting the same tired old silliness.

No, the inference is that cyclists don't pay for the road they use and therefore have no right to use it - an assertion that is patently false as i have shown. Leaving the scene of an accident is another subject entirely. Several Countries have tried cycle registration schemes and all have discontinued them as - just like dog licenses - they cost far more to implement than they raise in revenue. If a zero sum of motorists didn't drive without insurance/without licences/leave the scene of accidents daily then you would have a valid point. As it is you are concentrating on a very small minority of very low level offenders whilst ignoring the far more serious offences committed daily by a much larger number of motorists.

Again, cyclists appear to be fair game for those who wish to denigrate a particular group; often trotting out myths and falsehoods to cement their dislike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"theres a good clip on youtube;

a car cuts up a cyclist intimidating

so he just swipes the mirror off

on the road the first thing you need is a helmet 2nd a go pro cam"

then post the video on youtube for eveyone to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When on my bike the attitude towards me is shocking,just complete arrogance to my saftey.

I have not been knocked off but had a few close ones.

A driver looked me in the eyes but he still pulled out.I had to go up his inside where I gave his boot lid a serious punch.

I used to ride as close to the curb as I could but cars would come past way ever was coming.I now ride a good 6or 8 foot from the curb,it makes cars think before passin you.

Also riding two abreast isn't illegal.

Riding in the middle of the lane is called the primary position, it takes confidence but is so much safer,"

only down side to that is in wet weather you are increasing your chances of coming off due to oil and diesel in the middle of the roads.

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over a year ago

That is just envy. They can do something that you can't.

What a stupid statement just because you ride a pushbike doesn't mean the rules of the road don't apply to you, "

I have to say I have seen a copper do some one for that, I almost feel off the bike for laughing when I saw it. So it does go noticed and it doesn't always go unpunished.

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over a year ago

I just found this, I wonder how many people know about these rules??

THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them

2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react

3.Give cyclists space – at least half a car’s width. If there isn’t sufficient space to pass, hold back. Remember that cyclists may need to manoeuvre suddenly if the road is poor, it’s windy or if a car door is opened

4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door

5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility

6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I just found this, I wonder how many people know about these rules??

THINK! advice for when you're driving1.Look out for cyclists, especially when turning - make eye contact if possible so they know you’ve seen them

2.Use your indicators - signal your intentions so that cyclists can react

4.Always check for cyclists when you open your car door

5.Avoid driving over advanced stop lines – these allow cyclists to get to the front and increase their visibility

6.Follow the Highway Code including ‘stop’ and ‘give way’ signs and traffic lights

It would be nice wouldn't it? Unfortunately too many people think cyclists don't count, or are too impatient to give a cyclist the room they are legally required to do.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"we call them lycra louts round here always thought they looked a biy gay in all that lycra myself"

How does somebody look gay and why is there something wrong with that?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"whats more annoying .. parked vehicles pulling out infront of you and indicating after they've manouvered or the random car door of a parked car that is swung in your path ?? "

Cyclists that don't leave enough room when passing parked cars.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Which is why you should always take the primary position in such cases, then it allows the uninformed driver behind to whine about cyclists being in his 'way'...

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

"I hate it when filtering (going up the side of cars when they are stopped at traffic lights) and one of them pulls into the kurb to stop you passing, am I really casusing that much hassle that you have to attempt to block me passing you.

When this happens I just go round the other side and the driver cant do anything.

it annoys me when i see them park on cycle lanes so cyclists have to risk life and limb in going all the way out in traffic just co's a blind motorist cannot see the signs!,they should give motorists over 21 yrs an eye test every 12 months in my opinion co's not many can see or read road signs!,in fact there's one on here who thinks its ok to break the speed limit and just keep paying the fines!.

what a dummy!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we call them lycra louts round here always thought they looked a biy gay in all that lycra myself

How does somebody look gay and why is there something wrong with that?"

Because they done wear football tops or rugby tops, I was on my way to a timetrial so I had my cycling gear on under a track suit. I only had onthe bottoms and my club jersey on, but the funny looks I had just because it was not the norm.

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