FabSwingers.com forum: Electric Cars

By *isaB45 OP Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

Depends entirely on what you need. How many miles a day do you do? Can you fit a charge point at home?

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By *isaB45 OP Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

"Depends entirely on what you need. How many miles a day do you do? Can you fit a charge point at home? "

There's already a charge point here.

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

well for me there still to expensive,,, charging points would bother me too not enough

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By *4bimMan
over a year ago

Farnborough Hampshire

As a motorbike over car guy they are too expensive and don't do the miles right now.

Btw keep an eye on Toyota they are soon going to announce something which could be a better choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being a petrol head (so I am biased to burning dinosaurs to power my car) if I were to give any kind of serious advice towards electric motors, get a hybrid, you get the best of both worlds

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By *randmrs17Couple
over a year ago

Wigan

Mr has one. It’s perfect if you don’t travel far. Great for driving round town, to and from work. But planning to go anywhere further is an absolute nightmare. Having to stop at services and wait for the chargers is a night mare. They’re popular and usually not that many chargers available at services. Going to your destination isn’t all bad. When you’re on your way home and want nothing but your bed. Awful!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

I have a Polestar 2, wouldn’t swap it for anything else right now.

There’s a lot made about the infrastructure in the country, but if you have off road parking and can charge at home, the infrastructure itself is only a factor during longer trips and even then, the waits are only long when idiots insist on charging to 100%

The best description I gave the Polestar, it feels like a normal car, whereas when I tested a Tesla Model 3, it didn’t

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By *obinBuckleyMan
over a year ago

Buckley

Don't do it. Unless you only drive local and can charge on your own drive, perhaps from your own solar. Otherwise avoid as they are nothing but a big money sink.

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By *ustus56Couple
over a year ago

rugby

no no no and no again

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I think myself it's a messy idea might be good for the environment but holding everyone up and booking hotel rooms until fully charged if possible

As for a spare tyre will their be one for the battery

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By *obinBuckleyMan
over a year ago

Buckley

Also, not that you ever want to but don't ever break down in one as your not going anywhere fast for a good long while.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I need to replace my car. Ive got about 10k. Id think of an ev but cant get one for that sort of money. So petrol it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

When you have finished your research let me know the result. I am having to get rid of my large diesel cos of the new ULEZ in August - not paying £12.50 per day for the little I use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read an article stating that car dealers are not buying second hand ev's at the minute and many are losing thousands on the ones they have in stock

People just aren't buying into them

Entrance prices are sky high, electric isn't cheap and Musk reducing Tesla prices have all been cited as reasons for the slump

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By *exyfuncouple-40Couple
over a year ago

Bloxham

Think hydrogen will be the way forward in cars , or even fully synthetic petrol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think hydrogen will be the way forward in cars , or even fully synthetic petrol "

I’d love to see fully synthetic but we are a long way away from that being affordable mass produced.

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By *ustus56Couple
over a year ago

rugby

"I read an article stating that car dealers are not buying second hand ev's at the minute and many are losing thousands on the ones they have in stock

People just aren't buying into them

Entrance prices are sky high, electric isn't cheap and Musk reducing Tesla prices have all been cited as reasons for the slump"

or they are just expensive crap and ppl have finally woken up to the fact they have been conned again and they are not the cheap environmentally friendly car the government said they would be

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By *isaB45 OP Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?

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By *rder66Man
over a year ago

Tatooine

Not enough infrastructure:

More liithium for battery's need from mines in south america which harms the soil, kills plant and animal life, distroys cummunities by contaminating water supplies and cause local conflicts or perhaps from the Congo where children, pregnant women are forced to mine for pennies and dig through dust and contaminants that are very harmful as well as distoying the Congo itself.

We also need copper, see above.

Is it that green?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?"

No hydrogen powered cars are.

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

im sure lots of people on here know more about cars than me,,, but would a hybrid be better

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

A point rarely mentioned is that EVs are around 33% heavier than ICEs meaning more energy, more road wear, more tyre wear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in the motor trade and electric cars aren’t for one everyone, the charging infrastructure is not great here in uk yet. There is a thing called range anxiety. If you are doing a lot of miles per year it won’t work very well, who wants to wait 40 minutes to charge their car or even if the charging point work ! I found ev work well with people that are only driving short distances, like traveling to work locally or driving short journeys. If the electric infrastructure was better I don’t think we would bat an eye lid

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"As a motorbike over car guy they are too expensive and don't do the miles right now.

Btw keep an eye on Toyota they are soon going to announce something which could be a better choice."
a car that doesn't need to charge for a week I'd buy it

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By *randMrsNorthernCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Internal combustion engines every day.

Electric cars are no fun and the infrastructure at present is crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I get my next car

Will be hybrid petrol and electric

Sometimes long trips up to Liverpool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have one. Love it.

It drives so smoothly and is shit off a shovel.

I've not had to use public charging poings often. When I have I've been multitasking. (eg shopping, dog walking,etc).

I've driven fair distances in it... Three hour journies. Any more than that and I should be taking a twenty minute break anyway. I've never quite worked out how far people drive in one go for ev to start to become a problem.

Range anxiety is slightly self fulfilling. Tbh it's more "can I get back to my cheaper charging points" than "will I find a charger". Obv not a problem you have with ICE.

Downsides are boots tend to be smaller (dog goes on back seat). People think I'm a twat. And people want to tell me why ice is better. Or EV isn't as green as I think it is.

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By *outhweel2Man
over a year ago

Newark

With the latest EVs unless you're journeys are over 250 miles they are fine, serving costs are far less, running costs are less if charging at home and another same as petrol if charging at a charge station.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a Yaris hybrid for a little while on lease . I loved it and it was so economical.

However I did miss the roar of turning on the engine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People think I'm a twat. And people want to tell me why ice is better. Or EV isn't as green as I think it is. "

I always love speaking to those people!

They tell me ICE is better, then I tell them I have a 2nd car, and I choose to take the EV out every time.

Regarding range anxiety, only winter months get twitchy, but never have I ever got to a position where I have been close to 0% before finding my way to a rapid charger, even for a splash and dash to get me home. By the time I've been for a piss after plugging in, I'll probably have stuck enough power in to make it home anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We’ve looked at them, but I do far too many miles to be stopping and charging in the middle of a commute. I’m going to go hybrid I think next

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

300 mile drive tomorrow to HQ.

Train journey there is dire.

Cant see me not using ICE vehicle for yrs and yrs.

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON

"Think hydrogen will be the way forward in cars , or even fully synthetic petrol "

Agreed. Emissions is a global issue. I don't think a billion cars in India and China and other third world countries will be replaced by EVs.

Synthetic fuels is the best solution esp if engines of current cars can be adapted for new fuels.

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

Launceston

But they don't have a gearbox or go Brum bruuuum - it's a red line for me

....and of course they're shite, over priced & not really environmentally friendly..

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By *edeWoman
over a year ago

the abyss

Unfortunately and EV wouldn't suit me as I do a lot of longer journeys. Considering a hybrid for next car but just not sure as it kind of feels like when the TVs with dvd players in them came out

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"But they don't have a gearbox or go Brum bruuuum - it's a red line for me

....and of course they're shite, over priced & not really environmentally friendly.."

About 250 mile for me Wednesday in a van full of parts just in case ans not meany hybrid small van's as yet witch is disappointing. But have UKPN coming tomorrow up grade power as think it will be first come first served when it down to free upgrades.

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By *he love catsCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

Haven't long bought my daughter one for her birthday, it cost almost double the amount of the petrol version and I still had to pay almost another 2 grand for the charging point to get fitted as it had to go from the front door, throughout the house, under the garden and then into the garage.

After all this cost it's not doing anywhere near the mileage it's supposed to as even having the heaters or any electrics on will shorten the range of the battery.

With the price of petrol going down and the price of electricity going up it's no cheaper to run.

It's not the future of motoring.

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By *atriciayoiditTV/TS
over a year ago

hatfield

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

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have a look on youtube...they come with their own cremation kit..??

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By *isaB45 OP Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

have a look on youtube...they come with their own cremation kit..??"

Li-ion fires are concerning.

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By *laytime78Man
over a year ago

Oldham

"Mr has one. It’s perfect if you don’t travel far. Great for driving round town, to and from work. But planning to go anywhere further is an absolute nightmare. Having to stop at services and wait for the chargers is a night mare. They’re popular and usually not that many chargers available at services. Going to your destination isn’t all bad. When you’re on your way home and want nothing but your bed. Awful! "

100% agree with this, spot on!

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By *hrek101Man
over a year ago

Herts

Hybrid as charging network is rubbish

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

What happens when we all have electric cars wheres all the power coming from

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"What happens when we all have electric cars wheres all the power coming from

Well the oil refineries won’t need to be using Thousands of MegaWatts a day for a start

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Well electric cars are most likely the future, but they are definitely not the present.

Overpriced and under ranged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happens when we all have electric cars wheres all the power coming from

Those wind turbines that we have to turn off because we cannot store the generated electricity, will finally have a use!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

The company has told me I am getting a Vovlo XC40 recharge, shame I don't have anywhere to put a charger. Still have finance running on my bike, so can't really buy another car.

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By *oonloverWoman
over a year ago

bognor regis

Hubby has one as company car. Other than it's cheap to use locally I dislike it. Infrastructure isn't there, range is not great, and it's way too complicated,. Oh and it won't move if driver has no seat belt..very annoying when you just want to drive 6ft through a gate and get out to shut said gate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No good for us county bumpkins!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?

No hydrogen powered cars are."

Exactly. Takes more energy to harvest it as it's always attached to something and does anyone remember what happened to the Hindenburg? Safe storage is an issue

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?

No hydrogen powered cars are.

Exactly. Takes more energy to harvest it as it's always attached to something and does anyone remember what happened to the Hindenburg? Safe storage is an issue"

100% this.

With hydrogen there’s a massive efficiency issue as the cleanest way to produce it is hydrolysis… using electricity to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water… but why not just use that electricity to power the vehicle instead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really like mine now.. I'm over my range anxiety... There are plentiful chargers, altho you do have to seek out the fast ones.. I find it baffling that so many slow chargers are being built??

Currently getting 280-300ish to my charge. Will be higher in summer 350ish

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"The company has told me I am getting a Vovlo XC40 recharge, shame I don't have anywhere to put a charger. Still have finance running on my bike, so can't really buy another car."

Can you use your own car and charge mileage? My company does this.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"No good for us county bumpkins! "
James county?

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"I really like mine now.. I'm over my range anxiety... There are plentiful chargers, altho you do have to seek out the fast ones.. I find it baffling that so many slow chargers are being built??

Currently getting 280-300ish to my charge. Will be higher in summer 350ish"
how long do you have to wait for a charge, fast or slow?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"The company has told me I am getting a Vovlo XC40 recharge, shame I don't have anywhere to put a charger. Still have finance running on my bike, so can't really buy another car.

Can you use your own car and charge mileage? My company does this."

No, they don't allow me to use the motorbike, I only have a bike and the company car. They do give mileage but not for bikes.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Hubby has one as company car. Other than it's cheap to use locally I dislike it. Infrastructure isn't there, range is not great, and it's way too complicated,. Oh and it won't move if driver has no seat belt..very annoying when you just want to drive 6ft through a gate and get out to shut said gate "
to be fair the seatbelt thing isn't an EV thing. My petrol new car does the same x

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Hubby has one as company car. Other than it's cheap to use locally I dislike it. Infrastructure isn't there, range is not great, and it's way too complicated,. Oh and it won't move if driver has no seat belt..very annoying when you just want to drive 6ft through a gate and get out to shut said gate to be fair the seatbelt thing isn't an EV thing. My petrol new car does the same x"

Mine allows you to drive, up to a certain speed then beeps you into submission.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"The company has told me I am getting a Vovlo XC40 recharge, shame I don't have anywhere to put a charger. Still have finance running on my bike, so can't really buy another car.

Can you use your own car and charge mileage? My company does this.

No, they don't allow me to use the motorbike, I only have a bike and the company car. They do give mileage but not for bikes."

Might be worth getting a cheap car and refusing the company car? Would your tax bill be lower to help ? Not sure how company car tax works these days?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I read an article stating that car dealers are not buying second hand ev's at the minute and many are losing thousands on the ones they have in stock

People just aren't buying into them

Entrance prices are sky high, electric isn't cheap and Musk reducing Tesla prices have all been cited as reasons for the slump"

It’s not that people aren’t buying them because they actually are..

The reason why some dealers are not buying them is that the prices on them are dropping dramatically… for example a model 3 that was selling at 52k 4 months ago is now selling at 41k now!

It frustrates me when people talk about cost because there are ev cars if you search that are reasonably priced… for example the MG4, which is a fantastic car and has gotten all sorts of “car of the year” recommendations and recognitions actually retails cheaper than a ford focus.. 25-26k starting point!

In the next 18-24 months the price thing won’t be such a thing… the “baby tesla” will likely be available, fords entire European line will be EV.. so 9 new cars coming in the next 18 months, and other manufacturers will be bringing out stuff… the Kia/Hyundai EVs are fantastic

My next car will be an EV… I keep changing my mind on what I am aiming at getting

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Not enough infrastructure:

We also need copper, see above.

Is it that green?"

A) the type of lithium batteries used in most cars now don’t use colbolt……

B) next time you are so concerned about the amount of lithium… look at your iPhone or Samsung!

you willing to give that up?

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By *eard and BoobsCouple
over a year ago

Portstewart

At the moment the infrastructure of charging networks is woefully inadequate if the government wants it to succeed they need to spend millions getting things in place. It could be the same as when the motorways were first constructed

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By *he AmbassadorMan
over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

Anyone know if Rivian will go on sale over here,

Its the only EV im interested in at present.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Hubby has one as company car. Other than it's cheap to use locally I dislike it. Infrastructure isn't there, range is not great, and it's way too complicated,. Oh and it won't move if driver has no seat belt..very annoying when you just want to drive 6ft through a gate and get out to shut said gate to be fair the seatbelt thing isn't an EV thing. My petrol new car does the same x

Mine allows you to drive, up to a certain speed then beeps you into submission. "
mine I can't even reverse off the drive or anything. It won't remove the handbrake till your seat belt is on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

A lot of not all are made in China, and I would assume the main differences would be the trim on the inside. BYD are new to the UK market. As for small cars Fiat's are know for poor electronics, as are French cars. So I'd suggest avoiding Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall too.

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

I drive hundreds of miles to dance events and to do my regular classes. Take Easter I drove to Yorkshire from London to visit a friend and go to a Tango workshop and to help out with her event.

I simply could not do this if I had an electric car.

However if you are just a city/ town driver with a charging point I would say go for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I really like mine now.. I'm over my range anxiety... There are plentiful chargers, altho you do have to seek out the fast ones.. I find it baffling that so many slow chargers are being built??

Currently getting 280-300ish to my charge. Will be higher in summer 350ish"

Midnight - what make is yours?

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By *opetop4UMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

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By *ister_ee_1981Man
over a year ago

Sunniest Exeter...

A friend of mine has a plug in hybrid. Electric for around town, petrol if you start to go over 40 mph. Petrol doesn't charge the motor, so fuel bill is good as you aren't wasting it on charging the batteries.

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By *opetop4UMan
over a year ago

Aberdeen

drive one at work.

It is meant to have a range of 150 miles.

In the summer I get 120 miles out of a full charge.

On a cold day where I have the heater, wipers and lights on that drops to 80 miles.

People with umbrellas step out in front of you because they don't hear your vehicle but the acceleration is so good that I amuse myself by wheelspinning around them. It's priceless!

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By *ootyfruityCouple
over a year ago

andover

We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Arrange to test drive a few different ones, you will love them, there are also apps that tell you exactly where chargers are, what kind and if they are in use. Type in your route and it will show you where they are along the way

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By *he love catsCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

"We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Are provider's still giving cheaper EV tariffs? As I'm currently on a variable at 40p per kWh, I did look around but couldn't find any new ones.

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By *ootyfruityCouple
over a year ago

andover

"We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Are provider's still giving cheaper EV tariffs? As I'm currently on a variable at 40p per kWh, I did look around but couldn't find any new ones. "

Yeah we are on 10 per kWh for about 6 hours at night then about 40 per kWh during the day

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

" I am having to get rid of my large diesel cos of the new ULEZ in August - not paying £12.50 per day for the little I use it."

Mine is a euro6, are they impacted by ULEZ?

IIRC the original point was that they would be exempt, but the goalposts keep moving.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Are provider's still giving cheaper EV tariffs? As I'm currently on a variable at 40p per kWh, I did look around but couldn't find any new ones. "

At the moment with the electricity price cap.. the answer is no! If prices start coming down which may happen in the next 6-12 months they may come back

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By *ansduoCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Never read so much disinformation about EVs in my life. Is this the Daily Mail guide to EVs?

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By *he love catsCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

"We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Are provider's still giving cheaper EV tariffs? As I'm currently on a variable at 40p per kWh, I did look around but couldn't find any new ones.

At the moment with the electricity price cap.. the answer is no! If prices start coming down which may happen in the next 6-12 months they may come back "

Hopefully they will return, at the moment it's probably no cheaper than my petrol car, hybrids and diesel are probably cheaper to run.

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By *ootyfruityCouple
over a year ago

andover

"We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Are provider's still giving cheaper EV tariffs? As I'm currently on a variable at 40p per kWh, I did look around but couldn't find any new ones.

At the moment with the electricity price cap.. the answer is no! If prices start coming down which may happen in the next 6-12 months they may come back

Hopefully they will return, at the moment it's probably no cheaper than my petrol car, hybrids and diesel are probably cheaper to run."

Octopus energy ARE 100% still offering cheaper rates for electric cars owners, we have saved about £150 a month switching to an electric car

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Never read so much disinformation about EVs in my life. Is this the Daily Mail guide to EVs?"

it does feel like there are so many old EV tropes being used in this thread that people haven’t kept up with developments….

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By *he love catsCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

"We love ours!! Also if you have a home charger you can get on a really cheap tariff with octopus.

Are provider's still giving cheaper EV tariffs? As I'm currently on a variable at 40p per kWh, I did look around but couldn't find any new ones.

At the moment with the electricity price cap.. the answer is no! If prices start coming down which may happen in the next 6-12 months they may come back

Hopefully they will return, at the moment it's probably no cheaper than my petrol car, hybrids and diesel are probably cheaper to run.

Octopus energy ARE 100% still offering cheaper rates for electric cars owners, we have saved about £150 a month switching to an electric car"

Going to have a look at this, thank you.

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By *rder66Man
over a year ago

Tatooine

"Not enough infrastructure:

We also need copper, see above.

Is it that green?

A) the type of lithium batteries used in most cars now don’t use colbolt……

B) next time you are so concerned about the amount of lithium… look at your iPhone or Samsung!

you willing to give that up? "

A) 70% of the worlds Cobolt is mined from the Congo.

B) I didn't say I was perfect.

C) I buy reconditioned phones as I try as a way of lessening my impact which I need for work and I'm a single parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?"

They are worse than that. Atleast the betamax worked. Electric cars are rubbish. Hybrid is the next best thing. Best of both worlds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

I drive hundreds of miles to dance events and to do my regular classes. Take Easter I drove to Yorkshire from London to visit a friend and go to a Tango workshop and to help out with her event.

I simply could not do this if I had an electric car.

However if you are just a city/ town driver with a charging point I would say go for it."
depend where to where, that's 210 miles and four hours of driving.

I could just about do that range in one go. Charge over night, or while helping the friend. Then drive home.

Tho for a four hour trip, I'm stopping for a break. So I'm charging then. Wazz, coffee, and a leg stretch, and thats 20 Mons burned and range anxiety gone.

I get it's not for everyone, but I'm suprised how many people drive four hours straight.

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By *olchester FunMan
over a year ago

Colchester

Did you know that certain EV charge points host dogging events, so charge your car and get sucked off at the same time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?

No hydrogen powered cars are.

Exactly. Takes more energy to harvest it as it's always attached to something and does anyone remember what happened to the Hindenburg? Safe storage is an issue

100% this.

I once had a hydroxy unit installed on a car which split the water to provide Hydrogen and Oxygen to the engine to improve MPG.

Improvement was only marginal though

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Never read so much disinformation about EVs in my life. Is this the Daily Mail guide to EVs?

it does feel like there are so many old EV tropes being used in this thread that people haven’t kept up with developments…. "

Overpriced and under ranged is not a trope Fabio, they’re facts.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Did you know that certain EV charge points host dogging events, so charge your car and get sucked off at the same time

Are you sure that wasn't a vacuum to keep your EV nice and clean?!

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Octopus energy ARE 100% still offering cheaper rates for electric cars owners, we have saved about £150 a month switching to an electric car"

How have you factored the outlay on the car into that saving?

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By *escourtesMan
over a year ago

hereford

Excessive tyre wear on electrics compared to fuel vehicles, due to to high torque on drive wheels.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"Excessive tyre wear on electrics compared to fuel vehicles, due to to high torque on drive wheels."

...and how are differentials arranged?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Not enough infrastructure:

We also need copper, see above.

Is it that green?

A) the type of lithium batteries used in most cars now don’t use colbolt……

B) next time you are so concerned about the amount of lithium… look at your iPhone or Samsung!

you willing to give that up?

A) 70% of the worlds Cobolt is mined from the Congo.

B) I didn't say I was perfect.

C) I buy reconditioned phones as I try as a way of lessening my impact which I need for work and I'm a single parent.

Most electric cars now use LFP batteries rather than Li-on, which don’t use colbolt in the manufacture process… which is why I said that is a scare tactic!

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?"

Tesla trialed a way of swopping out used batteries, and replace with fully charged ones. - Took around 5 to 10 mins.

The USA public never went for that idea.

So agree with you, perhaps electric vehicles are going down the betamax route unfortunately.

Also, would be very dubious about buying an electric vehicle because if the batteries do require changing. The cost is huge, I think.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Never read so much disinformation about EVs in my life. Is this the Daily Mail guide to EVs?

it does feel like there are so many old EV tropes being used in this thread that people haven’t kept up with developments….

Overpriced and under ranged is not a trope Fabio, they’re facts.

Again… when there are new EV’s about that are the same price as a new ford focus then it is a trope… I never said it was perfect, I did say there a lots of reasonable priced models coming

Also… range… the sweet spot for real term range at the moment is somewhere between 250-350 miles, my Prius has a 40 litre tank… at 50mpg that is about a 425 mile range

The electric range is getting better and better…

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Are EVs the Betamax of the car world?

Tesla trialed a way of swopping out used batteries, and replace with fully charged ones. - Took around 5 to 10 mins.

The USA public never went for that idea.

So agree with you, perhaps electric vehicles are going down the betamax route unfortunately.

Also, would be very dubious about buying an electric vehicle because if the batteries do require changing. The cost is huge, I think."

Again most manufacturers give a 7-8 year or 100,000 mile warranty, the same as they do on a ICE car…..

Again no one is asking people to be an early adopter.. in fact because technology is this form is relatively new the gains are going seem massive, charging speeds, infrastructure ect

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By *rder66Man
over a year ago

Tatooine

"Not enough infrastructure:

We also need copper, see above.

Is it that green?

A) the type of lithium batteries used in most cars now don’t use colbolt……

B) next time you are so concerned about the amount of lithium… look at your iPhone or Samsung!

you willing to give that up?

A) 70% of the worlds Cobolt is mined from the Congo.

B) I didn't say I was perfect.

C) I buy reconditioned phones as I try as a way of lessening my impact which I need for work and I'm a single parent.

Most electric cars now use LFP batteries rather than Li-on, which don’t use colbolt in the manufacture process… which is why I said that is a scare tactic! "
Only 3% in Europe and you still need the infrastructer for recharging which is alot of copper and the power stations to generate the elecric which we don't have, well excluding the reopening of coal power stations.

I suppose coal is a scare tactic as well.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I can't see EV becoming the norm. I think the planned dates to stop producing normal cars will be scrapped.. simply because we don't have the infrastructure to convert. The cars are not fit for purpose and are to expensive to run. From all the research I did before picking a new car, it would cost me as much to charge an electric car as it would to put fuel in a petrol car.

It would add hours to journeys with waiting to charge and charging.

Where as now I will simply fill the car up and drive for 2 to 4 hours. I managed to stop just the once Derby to Edinburgh and didn't need to fill the car. Just stopped for a quick food stop and a drink.

There is also the point that they are too expensive. I only get a new car as its on motability. Otherwise 1 to 2 thousand £ is my limit on a car... 3 max

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"Never read so much disinformation about EVs in my life. Is this the Daily Mail guide to EVs?

it does feel like there are so many old EV tropes being used in this thread that people haven’t kept up with developments….

Overpriced and under ranged is not a trope Fabio, they’re facts.

...

I thought it was about time i looked up 'trope' which has all the hallmarks of a forum buzzword.

This then led me to think of another current forum favourite 'disingenuous', which made me wonder if non hybrid electric cars could be described as 'disengineous'?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

We are getting a EV soon, only because its a company car and loads cheaper on tax. Would never be able to afford one otherwise. I'll still be driving my smelly Mini

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"The company has told me I am getting a Vovlo XC40 recharge, shame I don't have anywhere to put a charger. Still have finance running on my bike, so can't really buy another car.

Can you use your own car and charge mileage? My company does this.

No, they don't allow me to use the motorbike, I only have a bike and the company car. They do give mileage but not for bikes.

Might be worth getting a cheap car and refusing the company car? Would your tax bill be lower to help ? Not sure how company car tax works these days?"

I will have to weigh up the running costs, see what is best. Failing that, relive my youth hanging round supermarket car parks while the car gets charged.

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By *ewbietarnMan
over a year ago

barnsley

Iv have a Car through work via salary sacrifice and it’s an ev it’s amazing my favourite one was the Renault megane so high spec it surprised me.

I’m a massive car geek and always said I’d never have a French car due to the reliability and I was proven VERY wrong so nice and powerful

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By *ewbietarnMan
over a year ago

barnsley

If anyone wants to ask questions about it message me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am considering my next car purchase, and EVs seem to be everywhere.

What are your experiences?

Get a Hybrid for now and wait for the hydrogen infrastructure to role out properly...

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By *eorge1949Man
over a year ago

BroadwayWR12

Unless you do mega miles and have access to cheap charging why on earth would anyone want to lumber themselves with an overly expensive, less convenient, highly depreciationg, under developed, still evolving lunp of politically promoted, engineering flawed crap?

I won't buy one, as you may have guessed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is always 2 distinct groups, absolutely for and absolutely against. For those against, no one is forcing you into being an early adopter.

When solid state batteries become more common place, and the 800V architecture more heavily adopted by manufacturers. Charging will be quicker and easier. It’s not actually that much of a negative now, take it from someone who does 40k a year in his EV!

There is an EV premium, but honestly, if I were to get a 400bhp fastback ICE, I wouldn’t get much change from 50k, so the polestar was priced around the right number. The base spec was 40k, so about a 8k premium over entry level ICE cars in the same market segment.

I still don’t think Hydrogen is the answer, I wish it was, and synthetics are a long way off being affordable.

With 2030 on the horizon, May as well get in now

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By *irefly007Man
over a year ago

st austell

I have had electric vehicles since 2007

They are the future

Main benefits

Zero RFL at the moment

Zero maintenance

Low cost per mile if using solar or night time electricity

Demand will increase and so depreciation will be low

Capital costs high but low running costs so depends on mileage . I used to commutte weekly from cornwall to london in a 40kwh Zoe with slow charging

If you do lots travel with work I would say Tesla due to infrastructure

Second hand prices have dropped in last 6 months ( they were over inflated recently due to shortage new EVs and do second hand were in some cases selling for more than new )

Look at zap map and assess your daily mileage and route snd whether you have charging stations locally

To install a 7kw wall box will cost approx £1200 done cars come with 3 pin granny charger but this will take twice as long as 7kW wall box

Make sure car has active thermal battery management ie battery is heated and cooled Nissan Leaf doesn’t have this

Go into speak EV website and look at brand and make you are interested in and look at forum

If car can be assessed using a OBD dongle to check battery degradation

Efficiency is key I had a Hyundai ionic 28 kWh and it was very efficient ie upto 7 mikes per kWh

Also if you are needing to rapid charge a lot don’t just look at the peak charging power but the charging curve from 5 to 90% of the battery

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Until the charging infrastructure is wheelchair accessible AND the equivalent of a typical estate car boot is available, I will be completely unable to join the EV revolution.

Next time you're looking at public EV charge points, notice that most are placed on plinths or up kerbs that have no wheelchair access. Touchscreen operations are at standing height. I have had to deconstruct my wheelchair to get into every single EV and hybrid taxi I've taken. I cannot go out independently if it needs taking to bits.

I cannot fit a hoist in a low height boot either.

My current car is a diesel Renault Sport Tourer and I would require a boot no smaller than that to be able to continue to be independent.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Never read so much disinformation about EVs in my life. Is this the Daily Mail guide to EVs?

it does feel like there are so many old EV tropes being used in this thread that people haven’t kept up with developments….

Overpriced and under ranged is not a trope Fabio, they’re facts.

Again… when there are new EV’s about that are the same price as a new ford focus then it is a trope… I never said it was perfect, I did say there a lots of reasonable priced models coming

Also… range… the sweet spot for real term range at the moment is somewhere between 250-350 miles, my Prius has a 40 litre tank… at 50mpg that is about a 425 mile range

The electric range is getting better and better… "

Start at £26k for a focus petrol, start at £33k for a focus ev.

That’s not a trope.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Iv have a Car through work via salary sacrifice and it’s an ev it’s amazing my favourite one was the Renault megane so high spec it surprised me.

I’m a massive car geek and always said I’d never have a French car due to the reliability and I was proven VERY wrong so nice and powerful "

I’ve driven one of those, they do get away from the traffic lights a bit lively!

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I have had electric vehicles since 2007