FabSwingers.com forum: Obamas government tells the UK to stay in the EU

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

I actually think Obama's done a good job of steadying a capsizing ship ... Cameron and Osborne, on the other hand, haveerely looked after their rich buddies and old school friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ours is pretty shit at the moment David Cameron needs to sort out great Britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

..it would be absolute madness to leave the eu and Cameron knows it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is Obama doesn't like the British he's cooled the "special relationship" between our two countries and knows without that the u.k needs to stay in the e.u if we have any chance of halting the decline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has lost my vote to u kip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is Obama doesn't like the British he's cooled the "special relationship" between our two countries and knows without that the u.k needs to stay in the e.u if we have any chance of halting the decline. "

The uk had grown far too big for its boots and Obama recognised this. The 'ordinary' relationship merely reflects the UK's current global standing.

I'd love to hear a non-hysterical cogent argument for leaving the EU; because there are none!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The uk had grown far too big for its boots and Obama recognised this. The 'ordinary' relationship merely reflects the UK's current global standing.

I'd love to hear a non-hysterical cogent argument for leaving the EU; because there are none! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The uk had grown far too big for its boots and Obama recognised this. The 'ordinary' relationship merely reflects the UK's current global standing.

I'd love to hear a non-hysterical cogent argument for leaving the EU; because there are none! "

Lol that's why I used the quotation marks for far too long the u.k has been punching above its weight on the international stage and we really need to stop thinking of the glory days and realise that as a country we have to be part of Europe ( as much as I hate to admit it) and all the benefits and downfalls that come with it ( although I'd still like to keep the pound)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Mr Obama should concentrate on ruining his own country before he tries to ruin ours as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think Mr Obama should concentrate on ruining his own country before he tries to ruin ours as well."
he ain't ruined ours its our governent that's dine a good job at doing that lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

President Obama said that it would 'be in the interests of the Special Relationship' for Britain to remain in the EU.

No, Barak old son - it's in YOUR interests for Britain to remain in as we're the only ones who speak a language you lot can understand... How would you get on having to deal direct with them pesky Germans, or them snail-eatin' Frenchies, eh...??? We don't owe your country any more (so kind of you to let us off repaying the WW2 debt - NOT!!), so stop getting the idea you have any place telling us what we should do about the destiny of our country.

Thank Gawd it's rant Thursday...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said "before he tries"

I think you'll find our previous government got us into this mess in the first place too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said "before he tries"

I think you'll find our previous government got us into this mess in the first place too."
I do agree I won't be voting for anyone or do I have to because im on the voting poll?

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"I said "before he tries"

I think you'll find our previous government got us into this mess in the first place too."

Imo, all the governments we've had in this country over the past 30+ years have had a hand in causing where we're at right now, it's about time they took their thumbs out of their asses and started to do something to try to improve things around here for the little people, not just the rich and famous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"President Obama said that it would 'be in the interests of the Special Relationship' for Britain to remain in the EU.

Thank Gawd it's rant Thursday...

Can none of you sense the subtle political machinations that are at play here? It's been obvious for some time that very few in Whitehall actually want to even contemplate a full withdrawal from Europe as it would be absolutely disastrous for the UK.

What Obama is doing here is say 'don't worry Dave I've got your back on this one' ..I'll make my views - and the views of my administration and most of the sane world - public and you won't look so isolated or foolish when your party 'loses' a vote or god forbid a referendum (which in my opinion we shouldn't have because most people don't understand what's really at stake) ... there's much more than meets the eye going on, I'm sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said "before he tries"

I think you'll find our previous government got us into this mess in the first place too. I do agree I won't be voting for anyone or do I have to because im on the voting poll?"

That's a shame. Many, many men and women, have died horrible deaths so that people like you and me can have the freedom to freely chose our leaders ..stand up and be counted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said "before he tries"

I think you'll find our previous government got us into this mess in the first place too. I do agree I won't be voting for anyone or do I have to because im on the voting poll?

That's a shame. Many, many men and women, have died horrible deaths so that people like you and me can have the freedom to freely chose our leaders ..stand up and be counted. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them."
I don't know who id choose to be honest. Who will you be voting for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them. I don't know who id choose to be honest. Who will you be voting for?"

That's personal...lol

What you should really do is read up on the various parties and your local MP's, listen to what they have to say, look at their policies and decide for yourself.

It's YOUR vote, no one else's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"President Obama said that it would 'be in the interests of the Special Relationship' for Britain to remain in the EU.

Thank Gawd it's rant Thursday...

There always is........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone know if there is a US Ambassador to the EU..??? Never heard of one, personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them. I don't know who id choose to be honest. Who will you be voting for?"

Read some manifestos, pick a Guardian and the Daily mail and maybe the independent or observer ...which do you identify with most? Have a watch of PM Qs ...watch BBC news regularly ...you'll start to get an idea of where you stand...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them. I don't know who id choose to be honest. Who will you be voting for?

I agree with most of this except the part about the BBC. I get the feeling they're biased towards the left most of the time when they should remain neutral.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said "before he tries"

I think you'll find our previous government got us into this mess in the first place too. I do agree I won't be voting for anyone or do I have to because im on the voting poll?"

Your vote is your only way to make your voice heard. Enough women went to jail, and some lost their lives to get women the vote. Did they do that for nothing..????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them. I don't know who id choose to be honest. Who will you be voting for?

I agree with most of this except the part about the BBC. I get the feeling they're biased towards the left most of the time when they should remain neutral."

I'm not so sure - there was a study, a few years back which suggested that the BBC gave Labour MPs more of an interrogation that Conservatives. However, I was just suggesting some places to start - the BBC is very accessible and I'm not a big fan of Murdock after the hacking scandal, so didn't want to direct her towards his corp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh I don't think we'll ever get a vote on Europe , no government would ever have the balls because I think the people would turn out big time to vote "NO" ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't have to. But not voting is daft IMO.

How do you expect things to change if you don't use your voice?

Non-voters should be banned from political debate if you ask me, as it obviously means nothing to them. I don't know who id choose to be honest. Who will you be voting for?

I agree with most of this except the part about the BBC. I get the feeling they're biased towards the left most of the time when they should remain neutral.

You're correct about the accessibility.

I find the BBC likes to swap its political affiliations depending on whoever is in power at the time.

I still believe they should just report the facts and remain neutral rather than offer subliminal opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A referendum on being in Europe would be disastrous as MO said. The rabid right would be galvanized and their media awash with patriotic images and rhetoric straight out of the mid 1900's. The left wouldn't keep up and we'd end up making a huge mistake.

What the right need to realise is that we are not a huge powerful nation and never were in reality. Even during colonial times we only ruled places where the locals had pointed sticks as their main weaponry. Even then, massed numbers of pointed sticks still hurt. It's only due to the economics of nations being different to those of a household that we don't have large bailiffs coming to repossess us. We need to be in the EU to have strong trading partners and a position on the world stage.

All too often when voting, people vote for or against the figurehead of a party. "oh I won't vote for Cameron as he's all smarmy" for example. Instead of voting for a local MP who is actually the one who HAS to listen to you, who holds surgeries and meetings where you can raise issues, and he knows that if he looses your vote he will be out.

So read the manifestos, if candidates come round ask them about issues you care about and make up your own mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh I don't think we'll ever get a vote on Europe , no government would ever have the balls because I think the people would turn out big time to vote "NO" ......

Exactly ...this goes back to my previous 'I've got you back Dave comment'.

People rally against the EU but I think things look different looking out of 10 Downing St, than from looking in to be honest and once you open the books, you realise how much the UK needs Europe

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

(which in my opinion we shouldn't have because most people don't understand what's really at stake) ...

we the people are trusted with the vote to choose who has the right to govern this country

we were trusted to decided whether we wanted to join the EU (i know it wasn't called that back then) or not

so why can't we be trusted to decide if we want to stay or leave it?

that statement of yours (people don't understand) undermines the people of the UK and the total freedom of the vote which you or others have said,thousands died for to give us that privilege.

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By *xodussxMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

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....Are you sure it is Obama who said that????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we the people are trusted with the vote to choose who has the right to govern this country

we were trusted to decided whether we wanted to join the EU (i know it wasn't called that back then) or not

so why can't we be trusted to decide if we want to stay or leave it?

that statement of yours (people don't understand) undermines the people of the UK and the total freedom of the vote which you or others have said,thousands died for to give us that privilege.

You ask anyone in the street if we should leave or stay in the EU and they'll say either yes, no or don't know. You ask them to justify why and 90% won't have an answer other than a soundbite they've heard from a politician on tv.

The economic and political issues are too complex for most to understand unless they take an interest to learn.

Yes i'm afraid there are very dim easily swayed people out there and that's a fact. And they all have the vote and will vote the way they are told by their media of choice which reinforces their view that all our problems are caused by Brussels and immigrants.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

we the people are trusted with the vote to choose who has the right to govern this country

we were trusted to decided whether we wanted to join the EU (i know it wasn't called that back then) or not

so why can't we be trusted to decide if we want to stay or leave it?

that statement of yours (people don't understand) undermines the people of the UK and the total freedom of the vote which you or others have said,thousands died for to give us that privilege.

The economic and political issues are too complex for most to understand unless they take an interest to learn.

90%...is that fact or fiction?...so in other words fuck the 90% and lets leave everything up to the elitist 10% to decide...

jeez some people think they know everything cos they can google!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"President Obama said that it would 'be in the interests of the Special Relationship' for Britain to remain in the EU.

Thank Gawd it's rant Thursday...

do you honestly think if the situation had been reversed that we would have just given away tens of millions of pounds worth of arms and goods to the USA..??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(which in my opinion we shouldn't have because most people don't understand what's really at stake) ...

we the people are trusted with the vote to choose who has the right to govern this country

we were trusted to decided whether we wanted to join the EU (i know it wasn't called that back then) or not

so why can't we be trusted to decide if we want to stay or leave it?

that statement of yours (people don't understand) undermines the people of the UK and the total freedom of the vote which you or others have said,thousands died for to give us that privilege.

Relax mate, it's only a swingers forum lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The economic and political issues are too complex for most to understand unless they take an interest to learn.

may differ on the percentage but on the principal would agree..

a large percentage of the country are spoon fed their politics from the media, parents and peers..

they are more interested in the banality that is now 'mainstream culture', soap opera's and which celebrity 'icon' is shagging which footballer..

happier to bleat about what is going on than get active in their local issue's..

they and we sadly get the politicians we deserve..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

Yeah

It's not as if we ever pass an opinion about how the US should be run, is it?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Maybe the states should just take over the UK and we become a state across the pond lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Maybe the states should just take over the UK and we become a state across the pond lol "

That's not so very far from the situation at the moment.

We may have repaid the cash war debt but we still owe them a great deal.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Maybe the states should just take over the UK and we become a state across the pond lol

That's not so very far from the situation at the moment.

We may have repaid the cash war debt but we still owe them a great deal."

Well then i would move to the states...better weather lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

may differ on the percentage but on the principal would agree..

a large percentage of the country are spoon fed their politics from the media, parents and peers..

they are more interested in the banality that is now 'mainstream culture', soap opera's and which celebrity 'icon' is shagging which footballer..

happier to bleat about what is going on than get active in their local issue's..

they and we sadly get the politicians we deserve.. "

Thank you, this is the point I was trying to make.

I plucked the 90% out of thin air to illustrate what I was saying, the actual figure is probably lower but I reckon still be above 50%. I'd say I'd be willing to put money on that but no-one is going to do the research so what's the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

may differ on the percentage but on the principal would agree..

a large percentage of the country are spoon fed their politics from the media, parents and peers..

they are more interested in the banality that is now 'mainstream culture', soap opera's and which celebrity 'icon' is shagging which footballer..

happier to bleat about what is going on than get active in their local issue's..

they and we sadly get the politicians we deserve.. "

Thank you, this is the point I was trying to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh I don't think we'll ever get a vote on Europe , no government would ever have the balls because I think the people would turn out big time to vote "NO" ......

All you have to remember when it comes to a referendum on Europe is what happened in Ireland. They kept putting it to a 'referendum' until they got the result they wanted, which was to join the EU.

We in the UK will not be asked to vote on dumping Sterling and accepting the Euro (because that's what it basically amounts to) until such a time that the govt (whoever is in power) has a pretty good inkling that they'll get the 'yes' vote they want.

Personally, if the Euro survives the next two years I don't see how we can stay out of it. We're heavily invested in the Euro Fighter warplane and we form the backbone of any European peacekeeping force sent in by the UN to whatever country has an asshole despot who needs replacing.

If there was a referendum tomorrow on full intergration within the EU I'd vote no purely because of the corruption that exists within Europe, but I'm fully aware that saying 'no' means we run the risk of forever being on the outside looking in when it comes to the important decisions facing Europe, especially if EU2 comes to pass (that's the second tier of EU Membership that we'll be palmed off with, leaving top level membership for the founding EU members).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello all,

from what I heard on the news, the American view was it would be better if the U.K. stayed in the Eurozone for America, not whether it is right or wrong for the U.K..

Personally the sooner we are out of it the better, we have little influence within the E.U. so let's look after ourselves.

The Euro currency is in dire straits and there is a limit to how much bailout can be made available.

Alec

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Politicians are reluctant to call a referendum on anything unless they're fairly certain they can win.

That's why there'll never be a referendum on capital punishment and why, when they did call a referendum on a Scottish Assembly in 1979, they imposed a minimum % of voters who had to agree - a hurdle that was never likely to be achieved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello all,

from what I heard on the news, the American view was it would be better if the U.K. stayed in the Eurozone for America, not whether it is right or wrong for the U.K..

Personally the sooner we are out of it the better, we have little influence within the E.U. so let's look after ourselves.

The Euro currency is in dire straits and there is a limit to how much bailout can be made available.

Alec"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do we really need to be in europe to trade with them?? we dont we managede very well with trade before we joined being in europe cost us as much as it earns us,

We,d be able to control more of our trade and industries, Ie Farmers fishermen, we have enough power and goods to export, so see no need to be in europe to be honest, and lets get it right the rest of europe wants to see us ruined anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello all,

from what I heard on the news, the American view was it would be better if the U.K. stayed in the Eurozone for America, not whether it is right or wrong for the U.K..

Personally the sooner we are out of it the better, we have little influence within the E.U. so let's look after ourselves.

The Euro currency is in dire straits and there is a limit to how much bailout can be made available.

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do we really need to be in europe to trade with them?? we dont we managede very well with trade before we joined being in europe cost us as much as it earns us,

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

'The rest of Europe wants to see us ruined anyway'????

That's just a tad paranoid....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UKIP for us .

Eu is a corrupt undemocratic gravy train for failed politicians .

It has its own police force and will soon have its own Army ,Navy and Airforce .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As one who lives in the states, he has done just fair in keeping this country's head (not his), above water.My friend, not only is my country in piss poor shape, so is yours. This whole world is being taken over by liberals and commies.For what it's worth, any vote that we can get is better than none at all.Look on the bright side. England and the U.S.A. still have some freedoms, and we still have each other, regardless of which assholes that are in office. Take care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"UKIP for us .

Eu is a corrupt undemocratic gravy train for failed politicians .

It has its own police force and will soon have its own Army ,Navy and Airforce .

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

What this govt should do is act in the best interest of its own people. International pressure in the form of our "special relationship" with another country should not be taken into consideration at any stage, The relationship is beneficial to the UK when it does not cost the USA anything.

Look at BP for instance, its nearly bankrupt due to the mexican gulf oil rig disaster, the actual owners and other culprits are american owned and they are "business as usual" but BP will be in the courts for years paying out compensation. The Uk was sold down the river years ago by its friends and its about time it stood upto them and went its own way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

I actually think Obama's done a good job of steadying a capsizing ship ... Cameron and Osborne, on the other hand, haveerely looked after their rich buddies and old school friends "

obama has not done that a good job, employment is getting higher repossions are still on the rise and he is handing out more power to the tsa, what a great job, so if that is good what is bad....oh and it is not only obama telling cameron to stay in eu it is germany and france they have all been putting pressure on us,nice to be in a loved european community

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of this country's problems including the debt originate from our wish (collectively) to remain a world superpower - industrially, economically and militarily. Unfortunately Great Britain is not that great anymore and no longer has any meaningful industrial output that can be measured against the new powerhouses in Asia.

Our lifestyles are first world, our expectations are first world but the country is no longer big enough to be Big Englanders because we quite literally are now little Englanders. Without Europe we will be even more insignificant and as an earlier poster stated - get rid of the rhetoric and try to find one reason why economically or financially we would be better off going it alone.

There isn't one.

As for the outcry about Obama's comments - we ourselves are often quick to comment on how Americans should live their lives so let's not get too carried away with sensible comments made by a sensible President.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

I actually think Obama's done a good job of steadying a capsizing ship ... Cameron and Osborne, on the other hand, haveerely looked after their rich buddies and old school friends

obama has not done thait a good job, employment is getting higher repossions are still on the rise and he is handing out more power to the tsa, what a great job, so if that is good what is bad....oh and it is not only obama telling cameron to stay in eu it is germany and france they have all been putting pressure on us,nice to be in a loved european community"

You obviously don't keep up ...unemployment in the US is at a four year low AND falling ..the housing market IS picking up and their economic growth has been revised up for the last 3 quarters ...and that with the Eurozone crisis going on in tandem. Also he hasn't started any new wars, in fact he's pulled the US out of two. Under the circumstances - republicans trying to hamstring him at every turn - and given the mess he inherited, I'd say Obama had done a fantastic job and steadying a fast sinking ship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£1 out of every £3 collected in tax goes on welfare payments. That is a huge amount which is unsustainable and needs to be reduced. The Government are trying to deal with this as best they can.

One of the many silly payments the last Government introduced was the £100 payment to any couple who had a baby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

I actually think Obama's done a good job of steadying a capsizing ship ... Cameron and Osborne, on the other hand, haveerely looked after their rich buddies and old school friends

Of course, that would be why America have just been teetering over the fiscal cliff. What was that you said about keeping up?

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over a year ago

"£1 out of every £3 collected in tax goes on welfare payments. That is a huge amount which is unsustainable and needs to be reduced. The Government are trying to deal with this as best they can.

One of the many silly payments the last Government introduced was the £100 payment to any couple who had a baby."

Yes our 'welfare' system needs a complete overhaul; root and branch ... Apparently, however, this universal credit, that they're all going to be getting, is going to cause far more problems than it will solve ... Universal winter fuel payments were another silly introduction. If you don't actually need it there's absolutely no reason we should pay for you to have it...

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over a year ago

"£1 out of every £3 collected in tax goes on welfare payments. That is a huge amount which is unsustainable and needs to be reduced. The Government are trying to deal with this as best they can.

One of the many silly payments the last Government introduced was the £100 payment to any couple who had a baby."

One of the few Labour policies I agreed with was the £500 payments to children at ages 1, 7 &11 but unfortunately we only got the stage 1 payment for our lad before it was scrapped. What it was designed to do was to encourage parents to save and add to it so that kids had a kick start to adult life. We put ours in a trust fund that matures when he's 18 and we add £25/month to it.

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over a year ago

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

I actually think Obama's done a good job of steadying a capsizing ship ... Cameron and Osborne, on the other hand, haveerely looked after their rich buddies and old school friends

Of course, that would be why America have just been teetering over the fiscal cliff. What was that you said about keeping up?

The fiscal cliff was nothing to do with the points raised above and I stand by them all. In any case, they 'fly' over it? No ...well only for a few hours ... And only because the house speaker was more concerned about his own internal reelection than getting a deal done quickly...

I'm not saying their house is in order - far from it ...I'm saying economically it's in better shape since BO's been at the helm ...anyone with any sense can see that. As for the UK ...we're still dipping in and out of recession 4 years later ...

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over a year ago

Has anyone else noticed that cameron is using some of the bnp's policies?

Reducing benefits

Make Britain independent

Clamping down on immigration

More and more of their agenda is creeping into cameron's wish list.

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over a year ago

"Fucking joke. He can't run his own country but wants to dictate to us how to run ours!

I actually think Obama's done a good job of steadying a capsizing ship ... Cameron and Osborne, on the other hand, haveerely looked after their rich buddies and old school friends

Of course, that would be why America have just been teetering over the fiscal cliff. What was that you said about keeping up?

America is an economy of 300 million people, their welfare costs alone eclipse our entire economy altogether. It's a bit like comparing the fuel efficiency of a Mini Copper to an F1 car.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

I'm an American living in the UK . Obama is a damn communist imo. Ruined the damn country, that is why im in the UK. Only thing ruining the UK is immigration from the middle east. not being ignorant, everyone knows it just don't want to say it.

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over a year ago

"I'm an American living in the UK . Obama is a damn communist imo. Ruined the damn country, that is why im in the UK. Only thing ruining the UK is immigration from the middle east. not being ignorant, everyone knows it just don't want to say it."

Err aren't you an 'immigrant' ...of course Obama's a communist ...that would explain everything... Those pesky commies ...they're everywhere

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over a year ago

Ruined the country? The majority of Americans disagree with you, that appears to be a fact.

If you are a European citizen you have the right to live and work anywhere in Europe. If you're from the Middle East tthere is very strict criteria on living in the UK. If you don't add benefit in some way to the UK and it's economy you can almost always forget it.

It would be refreshing if you could take the time to fully explain your post, is there substance behind what you've written here?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

You don't like it?.....then get on a flight back to America.

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over a year ago

Yeah, he's really ruining it, isn't he. Bringing in all that there Healthcare stuff and now he's tryin' to say you lot need to think about what you do with guns.

Yep - COMMIE! No doubt about it!!

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By *tra vidaCouple
over a year ago

Kettering

You don't get many Americans seeking political asylum here ignorant or otherwise!

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By *xodussxMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"I'm an American living in the UK . Obama is a damn communist imo. Ruined the damn country, that is why im in the UK.."
....And at 20 years of age you have lived enough to know that Obama is ruining America then ou decided to relocate to wimbledon. Classic. Then the middleast immigrant are ruining UK...Tell me how long have you been in uk for??? How many immigrants from middleast have met?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

glad i stayed out of this conversation, because it one of the most depressing I have read in a while.....

re... staying in the EU,

in the sense, what the us ambassador said is correct, in the fact that you will influence the EU more from being on the inside...that you would be screaming from the outside...

and as for better relationships with the "former colonies" to compensate.... really??? is this the 1900's????

the reality is that the UK is a bigger presence and influence for being in the EU, than it would be not being, and that is what the US ambassador was saying (not obama)

and the EU isn't the big bad boogy man that a lot of little englanders want to portray... are will saying the single market isn't a good thing now???

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"........... are will saying the single market isn't a good thing now??? "

There's a section of Brits who'd like the Single Market to be a one-way street ie we can sell freely to them but can impose trade barriers and tariffs on imports.

They'd like to be able to go and live in Spain or Portugal but woe betide any Johnny Foreigner from Poland or Hungary who wants to live here.

They're easy to spot. Their command of foreign languages extends to SHOUTING IN ENGLISH.

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over a year ago

"glad i stayed out of this conversation, because it one of the most depressing I have read in a while.....

re... staying in the EU,

in the sense, what the us ambassador said is correct, in the fact that you will influence the EU more from being on the inside...that you would be screaming from the outside...

and as for better relationships with the "former colonies" to compensate.... really??? is this the 1900's????

the reality is that the UK is a bigger presence and influence for being in the EU, than it would be not being, and that is what the US ambassador was saying (not obama)

and the EU isn't the big bad boogy man that a lot of little englanders want to portray... are will saying the single market isn't a good thing now??? "

Take all your points Fabio, but for me there is one simple reason why I feel strongly we should make our minds up once and for all if we want to stay in or leave, and it's this: In the 40 years (even the anniversary on 1st Jan passed most people by!) since we went in under Ted Heath, not ONE single government has really made any effort - and that includes Ted Heaths!!!! - to be 'in there at a 45 degree angle' and calling the shots. We have sat back on the benches and bitched and moaned, and done everything connected with membership in a half-hearted way. Just look at the way we vote (those of us who bother) in European elections. If we are going to be part of it, then be a PROPER part of it. If not, then get out and take the blame for things ourselves and not blame it on Europe all the time.

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