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By *ubmissiveman2u OP Man
over a year ago

Cheshire

Has he just give up trying or is it the car ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not a huge F1 fan but it’s always mostly been the car in my opinion.

When he had the best car, he was winning championships. When he didn’t, he isn’t.

It’s always a constructors AND drivers thing with F1.. of course there are some drivers that are better than others and can stretch a limited car to it’s limits, but Imho the true mark of the best *driver* would be if they all competed in exactly the same car.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

Difficult to steer from inside a closet.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Can remember sir jackie stewart coming to our motor club for a presentation night somebody asked him what the differance was between good racing drivers and world champions .his answer

Take a minute split in two and you will safely get around the track in a race .

Split it in two again and you might get onto the podium

Split it in two again and you should win races

Split it in two again and you should win a series

Split it in two again and you will have the reflexes to be a world champion

Thrown in a lot of luck and being in the right car at the right time and you will do it more than once

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Difficult to steer from inside a closet. "

My thoughts entirely. I think he's "fab straight".

Not that that has any baring on his driving abilities....

He's just a spoited bratt and not having the best car shows he's not the best driver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!"

Nobody wins anything in the worst car

In reality, there were a few of the championships where Mercedes didn't have the best car, but they did have the best team.

It's impossible wo say if any given driver is the best driver ever, but Hamilton has certainly achieved more in a racing car than any driver previously.

What I do like about Hamilton, is that he is the first to praise his team (win or lose) and places all of the blame on himself for getting less than the best out of a situation... he unlike Max is a real team player.

I'm also not sure why it would matter in any way what his sexual preferences might be.

Cal

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By *heFabtasticsCouple
over a year ago

brentwood

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!

Nobody wins anything in the worst car

In reality, there were a few of the championships where Mercedes didn't have the best car, but they did have the best team.

It's impossible wo say if any given driver is the best driver ever, but Hamilton has certainly achieved more in a racing car than any driver previously.

I'm also not sure why it would matter in any way what his sexual preferences might be.

Cal"

I can’t remember the drivers name that won his first world championship in a Benetton ok not the worst car but nowhere near the best car

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By *ocksareoffMan
over a year ago

Out n About

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!

Nobody wins anything in the worst car

In reality, there were a few of the championships where Mercedes didn't have the best car, but they did have the best team.

It's impossible wo say if any given driver is the best driver ever, but Hamilton has certainly achieved more in a racing car than any driver previously.

I'm also not sure why it would matter in any way what his sexual preferences might be.

Cal

I can’t remember the drivers name that won his first world championship in a Benetton ok not the worst car but nowhere near the best car

Some German guy that swept all before him, or cheated his way to victory...

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!"

Name a example of someone winning in the worst car.

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By *illiam101000Man
over a year ago

Melton Mowbray

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!

Name a example of someone winning in the worst car. "

Not the worst car but not top funded,Schumacher and the Benneton car. Long while ago I know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!"

Which champion won in the worst car?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with. "

I don't think he was driving for Mercedes when he won the British Karting Championship aged 10. He also won championships in Formula Renault where all the cars are the same spec. as well as having success in GP3 and GP2. He even won competitions racing RC cars as young as 7... against adult.

Cal

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By *abluesbabyMan
over a year ago

Gibraltar/Cheshire/London

Am smirking at some of the comments suggesting Lewis might be gay or bi

This is a guy who - allegedly - boasts Rita Ora, Nicki Minaj, and Rihanna as well as models Barbara Palvin, Gigi Hagid, Winnie Harlow, and Sofia Richie on his CV. He was certainly with Nicole Scherzinger back in the past for a few years on and off

He's also a devout Catholic

Hey! These speculators might be right. And it of course does not matter one jot what Lewis enjoys doing!

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with. "

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1. "

Sadly, there's a lot of people that simply don't like Lewis Hamilton and as such refuse to acknowledge what a good driver he is. I don't know why, but suspect there's at least some elements of racism, since the same things are not directed at other drivers.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita"

Well put. And spot on.

From reading other posts about him, there does seem to be a lot of venom towards him.

I appreciate most of us have sportspersons we dont like because...well....just because.

But the dislike of Lewis seems out of proportion.

Personally, from what ive seen if him in interviews, especially more relaxed ones away from the circuit, he seems quite a genuinely nice guy.

But you have to laugh at some suggestions that he's a shit driver..privileged.

Absolutely ridiculous

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Am smirking at some of the comments suggesting Lewis might be gay or bi

I'm aghast that anyone would even think it relevant.

I like Lewis or his public face anyway.

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita

Well put. And spot on.

From reading other posts about him, there does seem to be a lot of venom towards him.

I appreciate most of us have sportspersons we dont like because...well....just because.

But the dislike of Lewis seems out of proportion.

Personally, from what ive seen if him in interviews, especially more relaxed ones away from the circuit, he seems quite a genuinely nice guy.

But you have to laugh at some suggestions that he's a shit driver..privileged.

Absolutely ridiculous

With the exception of Rosberg - all the world champions for at least the last 14 years have been hated by a lot of people when they were winning: Vettel, Hamilton and Verstappen. It just seems par for the course for people to be haters when someone wins.

Obviously when they start losing everyone starts to love them again - takes some time but look at Vettel now.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita"

Yep.

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I may not like Lewis a great deal, but, when you hear some of the comments on here. I think the best one was a good driver can win in a bad car. What a load of crap that comment is. Lewis and George are getting so much out of an average Mercedes. You don't become world champion if you don't have skill

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita

Well put. And spot on.

From reading other posts about him, there does seem to be a lot of venom towards him.

I appreciate most of us have sportspersons we dont like because...well....just because.

But the dislike of Lewis seems out of proportion.

Personally, from what ive seen if him in interviews, especially more relaxed ones away from the circuit, he seems quite a genuinely nice guy.

But you have to laugh at some suggestions that he's a shit driver..privileged.

Absolutely ridiculous

Obviously when they start losing everyone starts to love them again - takes some time but look at Vettel now."

Can't argue with that other than to say I didn't like Verstappen long before he ever won a race.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita

Well put. And spot on.

From reading other posts about him, there does seem to be a lot of venom towards him.

I appreciate most of us have sportspersons we dont like because...well....just because.

But the dislike of Lewis seems out of proportion.

Personally, from what ive seen if him in interviews, especially more relaxed ones away from the circuit, he seems quite a genuinely nice guy.

But you have to laugh at some suggestions that he's a shit driver..privileged.

Absolutely ridiculous

Obviously when they start losing everyone starts to love them again - takes some time but look at Vettel now."

That’s an interesting observation.

Do you think when they lose form and stop winning they regain humility and then become likeable again.

I have no interest in current F1, I am just posing the question.

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!"

A stupid statement Verstappien is a much bigger brat than Hamilton. And I often saw Hamilton take a car that was not as good in Maclarens declining years and win in it.

Even Mercedes has admitted their car is uncompetitive. I doubt Hamilton haters on here have a tenth of his ability.

I do however think that he is notbas hu gry as he was.

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By *abasaurus RexMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Garbage in, garbage out. You can’t expect to win championships with an uncompetitive car.

Max wouldn’t be winning races if he was in a Merc right now.

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita"

Yes, sadly that is without a doubt, at least it acts as a filter as they expose themselves for what they are.

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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

It's definitely the car & not Lewis's driving abilities.

Just look back at 2021 season, when he has a competitive car he showed Max what a hard racer he can be. No1 has pushed Max like Lewis done

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By * Le ShhhhhMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"It's definitely the car & not Lewis's driving abilities.

Just look back at 2021 season, when he has a competitive car he showed Max what a hard racer he can be. No1 has pushed Max like Lewis done"

this!

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

I don’t think you can say the best but probably one of the best but when you have a dominant team and average team mates you will always win.

IMO Alonso is probably the best 2 times world champion although never been a fan.

Vettel is probably the worst 4 times world Champion.

Shumee probably along side Lewis again best team gets the best driver at the right time.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

I'm at pains to understand the claims made on here about his sexuality.....what is it, the way he dresses?, or just Tittle Tattle that someone has read on social media?

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By *.T.Man
over a year ago

Belfast

George Russel would have won in Lewis' car were it not for the messed up pit stop and the puncture.

I'd say it's 50% good car, 40% talent and 10% luck.

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By *entlebearMan
over a year ago

Doug

He is just overrated nob and there not much use when the get to his height a nob that is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Schumacher in the Benetton and Jordan, Hill in the Brabham

Hamilton never had to drive cars from the back rows he was dropped into the best cars from the start, now he is having to learn things others did to start with.

So the win he had starting at fourteenth on the grid doesn't count then?!

The best car plus the best driver is who wins in F1.

Personally, I think Max behaves like a spoilt child far too often. He's still undoubtedly a fantastic driver.

Nita

Well put. And spot on.

From reading other posts about him, there does seem to be a lot of venom towards him.

I appreciate most of us have sportspersons we dont like because...well....just because.

But the dislike of Lewis seems out of proportion.

Personally, from what ive seen if him in interviews, especially more relaxed ones away from the circuit, he seems quite a genuinely nice guy.

But you have to laugh at some suggestions that he's a shit driver..privileged.

Absolutely ridiculous

Obviously when they start losing everyone starts to love them again - takes some time but look at Vettel now.

That’s an interesting observation.

Do you think when they lose form and stop winning they regain humility and then become likeable again.

I have no interest in current F1, I am just posing the question. "

Yeah, very interesting. Not sure how accurate it is though.

Bearing in mind Lewis is a British champion.

I certainly dont remember Hunt, Hill, Mansell or Button being hated to any extent.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood

"He is just overrated nob and there not much use when the get to his height a nob that is "

You sound very bitter

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By *anddXXXCouple
over a year ago

London

Nita"

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I don't like him because he comes across as a prick. Never liked Andy Murray either, not because he is ginger and he isn't black, so maybe it was just him and his anti England jibe at the World Cup. But you may have a point as I can't stand Chris Froome and he's African.

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!

Name a example of someone winning in the worst car. "

2008. Lewis' Mclaren was arguably worse than Massa's Ferrari

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By *oberts_onMan
over a year ago

King's Lynn

Got to love the "great drivers could win in a slow car" remarks...

Because the likes of Vettel, Raikkonen, Alonso etc all did so well in slower cars last year...

Hopefully someone can do something this year, to prevent the spoilt little Dutch boy and his thug of a dad getting much glory!

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By *anilla-sinCouple
over a year ago

lancs

"He only wins in the best car, true champions win in the worst car!

Name a example of someone winning in the worst car.

Not the worst car but not top funded,Schumacher and the Benneton car. Long while ago I know. "

the b194 was the best car that year. ... albeit with illegal driver aids (alledged)

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By *anilla-sinCouple
over a year ago

lancs

"Got to love the "great drivers could win in a slow car" remarks...

Because the likes of Vettel, Raikkonen, Alonso etc all did so well in slower cars last year...

Hopefully someone can do something this year, to prevent the spoilt little Dutch boy and his thug of a dad getting much glory!

Raikonen was retired last year, explaining his poor points total

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By *oberts_onMan
over a year ago

King's Lynn

"Got to love the "great drivers could win in a slow car" remarks...

Because the likes of Vettel, Raikkonen, Alonso etc all did so well in slower cars last year...

Hopefully someone can do something this year, to prevent the spoilt little Dutch boy and his thug of a dad getting much glory!

Raikonen was retired last year, explaining his poor points total"

Good point!

But, even before, he didn't do so well in a slower car.

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By *anilla-sinCouple
over a year ago

lancs

anyway... my tuppenceworth. Hamilton polarises opinion, personality wise.. but he is a great.. on that level with senna, schuey, fangio... etc. best car? they all had them... but messi doesn't play for Barnet..! take him in junior formulas.. won them all (they all have the same car btw). but so did max, george, charles... they are special drivers. take 2009. Lewis won 2 races in an awful car.

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By *rilogyMan
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Schumacher is the goat won the title in 1994,95,2000 and 2003 when it was not the best car, 2003 was maybe even the 3rd best car on the grid. Hamilton has only ever won with the clearly the best car.

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By *anilla-sinCouple
over a year ago

lancs

"Schumacher is the goat won the title in 1994,95,2000 and 2003 when it was not the best car, 2003 was maybe even the 3rd best car on the grid. Hamilton has only ever won with the clearly the best car."

that is crap, other than '95

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's always been the car not the driver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anyway... my tuppenceworth. Hamilton polarises opinion, personality wise.. but he is a great.. on that level with senna, schuey, fangio... etc. best car? they all had them... but messi doesn't play for Barnet..! take him in junior formulas.. won them all (they all have the same car btw). but so did max, george, charles... they are special drivers. take 2009. Lewis won 2 races in an awful car."

Messi would be the car the the best teams would try to get.

So bad analogy there.

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By *anilla-sinCouple
over a year ago

lancs

Messi would be the car the the best teams would try to get.

So bad analogy there."

Why is it a bad analogy.. The point being: The best drivers end up in the best cars much of the time.. Why? Because they have been identified at an early age, and as they go through the junior categories, they win, and win, and win.. And so when they get to F1 they are very quickly snapped up by the best teams, who have the most money, and the best cars.. Just like footballers.. It is a perfect analogy.

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By *okoloshCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

Hamilton comes across as very entitled and arrogant that's why I don't like him at all.

Also no one has mentioned how Hamilton is the greatest driver ever, yet he was out performed by his new team mate last year!

I think he had gotten too used to having the best car on the grid and all the wins coming so easily. I'm not sure he has the hunger and motivation to help improve the car and fight for the championship anymore. He seems to be to distracted by his music and fashion ventures!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hamilton comes across as very entitled and arrogant that's why I don't like him at all.

Also no one has mentioned how Hamilton is the greatest driver ever, yet he was out performed by his new team mate last year!

I used to like him until a few year back when he had a bad car.

Boy did he whinge the whole season like a brat.

According yo him it was everyone's else's fault except his.

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

I'm old school, I wonder what Jim Clark might have won in a lotus, doubtless he would have died behind the wheel anyway, most did back then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should have finished when he won the last world title, gone out in a blaze of glory.

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By *4bimMan
over a year ago

Farnborough Hampshire

I think due to technology in motor racing we forget how hard it is to drive at speed continually. Sure, drivers have modern aids to help which is more about the car. But you still need ability, confidence and a huge level of skill you and I will never have to get to the very top.

I see it in kids racing around dirt ovals in the states and even at 16 they are cutthroat, ruthless and have a win at all costs attitude.

People easily mock F1 and NASCAR drivers and reckon it's easy or anyone can drive in a circle.

But the truth is at the speeds they do, and often tightly packed on superspeedways at over 200 mph for over 4 hours the pressure and concentration needed is beyond measure.the slightest error, bump or touch and everyone is in the wall hard.

Thanks to safety modern racing is a lot safer. F1 drivers use to die 3 to 5 a season and until 2001 NASCAR had drivers die regular.

It took nascars most famous driver to die for things to change.

But I can honestly tell you from being around and meeting drivers they are a different breed. They don't care about anything else but winning.

Schumacher, senna, prost in recent F1 times were selfish but champions. Earnhardt and petty in NASCAR were the same.

You still got to drive the thing to win. and every driver needs the right team to do it at the top level.

That is why top elite drivers divide opinion and Hamilton is no different

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Should have finished when he won the last world title, gone out in a blaze of glory. "

He might do that after his next world championship.

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By *oberts_onMan
over a year ago

King's Lynn

"Should have finished when he won the last world title, gone out in a blaze of glory.

He might do that after his next world championship."

I hope so. He deserves one more and, is a worthy driver to take Schumacher's record.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Has he just give up trying or is it the car ? "

The apparatus he is using needs more development.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will never get an 8th George has his card

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