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"I'm pretty sure every pedestrian has had cars do exactly the same thing to them? I'd very interested to know how many were filmed giving way, I'd expect a lot more than 17..." No way, maybe one or two if a bit ambiguous or a bit cheeky but that'll be it. Cyclists need fining, the roads particularly in London have been mullered to appease them but the cyclists continue to be a danger to pedestrians. | |||
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"I'm pretty sure every pedestrian has had cars do exactly the same thing to them? I'd very interested to know how many were filmed giving way, I'd expect a lot more than 17... No way, maybe one or two if a bit ambiguous or a bit cheeky but that'll be it. Cyclists need fining, the roads particularly in London have been mullered to appease them but the cyclists continue to be a danger to pedestrians." Yet the pedestrians killed or left with life changing injuries are in incidents that overwhelmingly involve motorists. I think 2 pedestrians have been killed by cyclists in London in the last decade which os of course 2 too many but there's been hundreds killed by motorists. Perception of danger is interesting isn't it? | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result." The cyclist died I mean. | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result." Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? | |||
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"An investigation has found that cyclists in London are refusing to stop for pedestrians trying to cross cycle lanes on zebra crossings in London. A film crew witnessed 17 cyclists on the bounce ignoring pedestrians trying to legally cross. What's going on here guys ?" And this is why cyclists should have number plats | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. The cyclist died I mean." And she has rightly so been found guilty of manslaughter. She knew it was a shared pedestrian, cyclist path | |||
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" Yet the pedestrians killed or left with life changing injuries are in incidents that overwhelmingly involve motorists. " It doesn't mean bike riders are not being any less irresponsible, it probably means getting hit by a ton of metal will do more damage than a two wheel bike. | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? " It was a shared path for walking and cycling. | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path for walking and cycling. " Ah that will explain it then. Have never seen them. Have just googled for the story, it looks like the person telling the cycylist off didn't look like she knew about it either | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. The cyclist died I mean. And she has rightly so been found guilty of manslaughter. She knew it was a shared pedestrian, cyclist path" The fact that it is a shared footpath appeared low down the page in the articles I read about it even the cop quoted didn't seem to grasp that fact | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path for walking and cycling. Ah that will explain it then. Have never seen them. Have just googled for the story, it looks like the person telling the cycylist off didn't look like she knew about it either" They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. For some bizarre reason, bikes are hated by everyone who doesn't ride one. If every cyclist was in a car instead, it would have a drastic effect on the length of traffic queues. Cal | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path for walking and cycling. Ah that will explain it then. Have never seen them. Have just googled for the story, it looks like the person telling the cycylist off didn't look like she knew about it either They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. For some bizarre reason, bikes are hated by everyone who doesn't ride one. If every cyclist was in a car instead, it would have a drastic effect on the length of traffic queues. Cal" You got a lot of assumptions from my post if that was to my post | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path for walking and cycling. Ah that will explain it then. Have never seen them. Have just googled for the story, it looks like the person telling the cycylist off didn't look like she knew about it either They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. For some bizarre reason, bikes are hated by everyone who doesn't ride one. If every cyclist was in a car instead, it would have a drastic effect on the length of traffic queues. Cal You got a lot of assumptions from my post if that was to my post" It's not really bizarre. Most people tend to dislike being stuck behind a hobby when they actually have things to do | |||
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"Simple solution - always carry a walking cane (if they don't stop, make them)" My experience with mobility aids is that a lot of people don't care! If you walk on crutches, people just tut and push past  | |||
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" They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. " Just looking at this, from the video there were not any signs on the pavement in the stretch she was on on the film anyway. Now of course not having seen any of these lanes then I wouldn't know but they don't seem to as close as you think | |||
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"Simple solution - always carry a walking cane (if they don't stop, make them) My experience with mobility aids is that a lot of people don't care! If you walk on crutches, people just tut and push past "Sorry should've been clearer - the cane is a 'fashion accessory', not a mobility aid. Dave uses it to stop cards, cyclists, scooters etc. Who ignore pedestrian crossings. | |||
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"I'm pretty sure every pedestrian has had cars do exactly the same thing to them? I'd very interested to know how many were filmed giving way, I'd expect a lot more than 17... No way, maybe one or two if a bit ambiguous or a bit cheeky but that'll be it. Cyclists need fining, the roads particularly in London have been mullered to appease them but the cyclists continue to be a danger to pedestrians. Yet the pedestrians killed or left with life changing injuries are in incidents that overwhelmingly involve motorists. I think 2 pedestrians have been killed by cyclists in London in the last decade which os of course 2 too many but there's been hundreds killed by motorists. Perception of danger is interesting isn't it? " On average around 450 pedestrians are killed across the whole of the UK each year but London is so congested the average is low, cyclists remain an ignorant & selfish danger to pedestrians as the vast majority will not stop, the fact injury is not death does not excuse this behaviour even if your want it to. | |||
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"An investigation has found that cyclists in London are refusing to stop for pedestrians trying to cross cycle lanes on zebra crossings in London. A film crew witnessed 17 cyclists on the bounce ignoring pedestrians trying to legally cross. What's going on here guys ?" Oh look another cyclists bashing thread. How many cars refused to stop? | |||
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"What need regulating are the "electric" bikes, aka bodged together moto-bikes, that fast food delivery riders use. They're ubiquitous in Manchester and can seemingly do at least 30mph. They often ride on the pavement and don't stop for red lights, crossings or anything else. " Seen one of these bicycles the other day flying down the footpath and then onto the road in front of me. Following behind I was surprised not to be catching up. He must had been doing about 28-30 mph. Then as soon as he approached a busy road junction with cars waiting to enter he move back onto the footpath and continued flying down the footpath. To be fair I nearly got knocked down by an e-scooter walking down the station platform the other day from behind. The nutter was trying squeeze between me and the train and going at some speed. Didn't hear or see him coming. Mr | |||
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"An investigation has found that cyclists in London are refusing to stop for pedestrians trying to cross cycle lanes on zebra crossings in London. A film crew witnessed 17 cyclists on the bounce ignoring pedestrians trying to legally cross. What's going on here guys ? Oh look another cyclists bashing thread. How many cars refused to stop?" None. It's a zebra crossing to help pedestrians safely cross cycle paths | |||
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" They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. Just looking at this, from the video there were not any signs on the pavement in the stretch she was on on the film anyway. Now of course not having seen any of these lanes then I wouldn't know but they don't seem to as close as you think" There are usually signs up on the lamp posts too (blue circular ones with icons for pedestrians and cycles). | |||
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" It's not really bizarre. Most people tend to dislike being stuck behind a hobby when they actually have things to do" Why would you assume that your journey is more important than theirs? A massive number of people are using bikes as their main method of transport, especially in big cities like London where driving is chargeable, parking is expensive and difficult to find, and traffic is slow. I use my bike to commute a lot and see a huge number of impatient and angry drivers. On average a car might need to wait up to 30 seconds for a safe place to pass and when they have, they are soon caught back up to the car they were behind before. When riding in traffic, it is just ridiculous how some drivers are so desperate to get to the red light first, especially when I'm going to pass the whole queue and make my way to the cyclists' advanced stop zone
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"I personally just think cyclists should adhere to the road rules the same as motorbikes car vans etc etc..." Everyone SHOULD abide by the rules, but a huge number of road users don't. I regularly encounter cars blocking the cycle paths and in the advances stop area (specifically for bikes) at traffic lights. Motorbikes using the cycle lanes (and advanced stop zone) to bypass queues at traffic lights. Vans using the cycle lanes as an unloading area to stack their boxes in, and loads of other "breaking of the rules" The road rules say that a minimum distance of 1.5m should be left when passing a cyclist, and that you shouldn't overtake a cyclist when you're preparing to turn left... Cal | |||
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"I personally just think cyclists should adhere to the road rules the same as motorbikes car vans etc etc..." They do. Cars and motorcycles break just as many, if not more rules than cyclists. The amount of cars that ignore red lights is unbelievable. | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? " It was a shared path the cyclist had every right to be there, this was local to me, and the cyclist was a 50 something lady not a head down arse up tour de France wannabe | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path the cyclist had every right to be there, this was local to me, and the cyclist was a 50 something lady not a head down arse up tour de France wannabe" She was 77 years old, not 50. Such a shame for her, and the lady driving the car who could do nothing to avoid. | |||
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"I personally just think cyclists should adhere to the road rules the same as motorbikes car vans etc etc... Everyone SHOULD abide by the rules, but a huge number of road users don't. I regularly encounter cars blocking the cycle paths and in the advances stop area (specifically for bikes) at traffic lights. Motorbikes using the cycle lanes (and advanced stop zone) to bypass queues at traffic lights. Vans using the cycle lanes as an unloading area to stack their boxes in, and loads of other "breaking of the rules" The road rules say that a minimum distance of 1.5m should be left when passing a cyclist, and that you shouldn't overtake a cyclist when you're preparing to turn left... Cal" Other car drivers get so irate if you hold back because you're going to turn left. And it seems some cyclists get anxious if you are waiting behind (at a sensible distance, obviously). | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path the cyclist had every right to be there, this was local to me, and the cyclist was a 50 something lady not a head down arse up tour de France wannabe She was 77 years old, not 50. Such a shame for her, and the lady driving the car who could do nothing to avoid. " Aah ok I knew she was "older" but wasn't exactly sure, yes it must have been awful for her too | |||
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"An investigation has found that cyclists in London are refusing to stop for pedestrians trying to cross cycle lanes on zebra crossings in London. A film crew witnessed 17 cyclists on the bounce ignoring pedestrians trying to legally cross. What's going on here guys ? Oh look another cyclists bashing thread. How many cars refused to stop?" Is it? I think this is the issue when a cyclist thread comes up, people who are cyclists get defensive. Lets face it, there are idiot car drivers too who we have probably all come across but the whataboutry doesn't help any debate. | |||
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" They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. Just looking at this, from the video there were not any signs on the pavement in the stretch she was on on the film anyway. Now of course not having seen any of these lanes then I wouldn't know but they don't seem to as close as you think There are usually signs up on the lamp posts too (blue circular ones with icons for pedestrians and cycles)." I bow to your wisdom, I am guessing she may have seen them or ignored them anyway | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path the cyclist had every right to be there, this was local to me, and the cyclist was a 50 something lady not a head down arse up tour de France wannabe" lol Yeah it seems she was in her 70's  | |||
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"Just look at the news story this week about the pedestrian who forced the cyclist to swerve off the path in front of a vehicle and died as a result. Tragic that someone has died...but what was the cyclist doing on the path? It was a shared path for walking and cycling. Ah that will explain it then. Have never seen them. Have just googled for the story, it looks like the person telling the cycylist off didn't look like she knew about it either They literally have lanes signs everywhere and bikes & people painted on the ground. There is no possibility ambiguity. For some bizarre reason, bikes are hated by everyone who doesn't ride one. If every cyclist was in a car instead, it would have a drastic effect on the length of traffic queues. Cal You got a lot of assumptions from my post if that was to my post It's not really bizarre. Most people tend to dislike being stuck behind a hobby when they actually have things to do" I cycle to and from work have no other means of transport! Plus there no busses at 3 in the morning! X | |||
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" I cycle to and from work have no other means of transport! Plus there no busses at 3 in the morning! X" Candy is a lady of the night.  | |||
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" I cycle to and from work have no other means of transport! Plus there no busses at 3 in the morning! X Candy is a lady of the night. " x | |||
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"There is a lot of hate for us cyclists on this thread. I commuted by bike in London for years and still cycle a lot. Yes - some cyclists shouldn't be on the road (and certainly not the pavement) as they are either selfish or unsafe. They give the rest of us a bad name. But the same can be said for car drivers (driving aggressively, not stopping, manoeuvring without indicating etc) and pedestrians (gormlessly wandering round with their face in the phone etc). If we were all a bit more considerate of both the hierarchy of the road and each other - as for example in the Netherlands - then we could all co-exist happily. " Don't get me started on phone zombies. They are my nemesis as a wheelchair user  | |||
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"There is a lot of hate for us cyclists on this thread. I commuted by bike in London for years and still cycle a lot. Yes - some cyclists shouldn't be on the road (and certainly not the pavement) as they are either selfish or unsafe. They give the rest of us a bad name. But the same can be said for car drivers (driving aggressively, not stopping, manoeuvring without indicating etc) and pedestrians (gormlessly wandering round with their face in the phone etc). If we were all a bit more considerate of both the hierarchy of the road and each other - as for example in the Netherlands - then we could all co-exist happily. Don't get me started on phone zombies. They are my nemesis as a wheelchair user "Oh I sympathise. One of them caused my worst cycling accident years ago... I've still got the gravel lodged under my skin | |||
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"There is a lot of hate for us cyclists on this thread. I commuted by bike in London for years and still cycle a lot. Yes - some cyclists shouldn't be on the road (and certainly not the pavement) as they are either selfish or unsafe. They give the rest of us a bad name. But the same can be said for car drivers (driving aggressively, not stopping, manoeuvring without indicating etc) and pedestrians (gormlessly wandering round with their face in the phone etc). If we were all a bit more considerate of both the hierarchy of the road and each other - as for example in the Netherlands - then we could all co-exist happily. Don't get me started on phone zombies. They are my nemesis as a wheelchair user
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" It's not really bizarre. Most people tend to dislike being stuck behind a hobby when they actually have things to do Why would you assume that your journey is more important than theirs? A massive number of people are using bikes as their main method of transport, especially in big cities like London where driving is chargeable, parking is expensive and difficult to find, and traffic is slow. I use my bike to commute a lot and see a huge number of impatient and angry drivers. On average a car might need to wait up to 30 seconds for a safe place to pass and when they have, they are soon caught back up to the car they were behind before. When riding in traffic, it is just ridiculous how some drivers are so desperate to get to the red light first, especially when I'm going to pass the whole queue and make my way to the cyclists' advanced stop zone
Cal"In an environment where cycling is likely to be an actual form of transport, like a city or town, I find them less irritating because as you say, they are likely actually be going somewhere. And I interact with those cyclists regularly without incident as my work does take me into cities. Albeit almost all of them completely ignore the rules of the road, and there should be justice for that either in the same forms as motorists (fines, requirements to have a license so that points can be attributed etc etc) but I expect them to behave badly, so give them a wide berth. But where I live it is extremely unlikely that if you encounter a cyclist or 10 they are using it as transport. It's a hobby. You can tell by the fact they are riding £20,000 bikes made from melted down McLarens, are carrying nothing, and are wearing so much lycra that if they weren't so thin their thighs could start a really aggressive fire. And to be frank the main part of the hobby seems to be causing as much disruption as humanly possible. So yeah, quite irritating people. Usually even outside of their cycling | |||
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" It's not really bizarre. Most people tend to dislike being stuck behind a hobby when they actually have things to do Why would you assume that your journey is more important than theirs? A massive number of people are using bikes as their main method of transport, especially in big cities like London where driving is chargeable, parking is expensive and difficult to find, and traffic is slow. I use my bike to commute a lot and see a huge number of impatient and angry drivers. On average a car might need to wait up to 30 seconds for a safe place to pass and when they have, they are soon caught back up to the car they were behind before. When riding in traffic, it is just ridiculous how some drivers are so desperate to get to the red light first, especially when I'm going to pass the whole queue and make my way to the cyclists' advanced stop zone
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In an environment where cycling is likely to be an actual form of transport, like a city or town, I find them less irritating because as you say, they are likely actually be going somewhere. And I interact with those cyclists regularly without incident as my work does take me into cities. Albeit almost all of them completely ignore the rules of the road, and there should be justice for that either in the same forms as motorists (fines, requirements to have a license so that points can be attributed etc etc) but I expect them to behave badly, so give them a wide berth.
But where I live it is extremely unlikely that if you encounter a cyclist or 10 they are using it as transport. It's a hobby. You can tell by the fact they are riding £20,000 bikes made from melted down McLarens, are carrying nothing, and are wearing so much lycra that if they weren't so thin their thighs could start a really aggressive fire. And to be frank the main part of the hobby seems to be causing as much disruption as humanly possible.
So yeah, quite irritating people. Usually even outside of their cycling "I commute 10 miles each way, on town & country roads. I wear proper cycling gear which includes lycra and all of my bikes have at least some bits made of carbon fibre. When the weather is good, I will even ride my very expensive all carbon road bike (worth more than my first born) to work and wear only lycra cycling clothes... because that is the best gear for cycling in. Nobody ever criticises people for wearing actual football boots for playing five-a-side at the local park, or leather clad bikers for wearing full race suits whilst riding around on the public roads, so why is it such a big deal that cyclists wear actual cycling gear whilst they are cycling? Cal | |||
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" It's not really bizarre. Most people tend to dislike being stuck behind a hobby when they actually have things to do Why would you assume that your journey is more important than theirs? A massive number of people are using bikes as their main method of transport, especially in big cities like London where driving is chargeable, parking is expensive and difficult to find, and traffic is slow. I use my bike to commute a lot and see a huge number of impatient and angry drivers. On average a car might need to wait up to 30 seconds for a safe place to pass and when they have, they are soon caught back up to the car they were behind before. When riding in traffic, it is just ridiculous how some drivers are so desperate to get to the red light first, especially when I'm going to pass the whole queue and make my way to the cyclists' advanced stop zone
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In an environment where cycling is likely to be an actual form of transport, like a city or town, I find them less irritating because as you say, they are likely actually be going somewhere. And I interact with those cyclists regularly without incident as my work does take me into cities. Albeit almost all of them completely ignore the rules of the road, and there should be justice for that either in the same forms as motorists (fines, requirements to have a license so that points can be attributed etc etc) but I expect them to behave badly, so give them a wide berth.
But where I live it is extremely unlikely that if you encounter a cyclist or 10 they are using it as transport. It's a hobby. You can tell by the fact they are riding £20,000 bikes made from melted down McLarens, are carrying nothing, and are wearing so much lycra that if they weren't so thin their thighs could start a really aggressive fire. And to be frank the main part of the hobby seems to be causing as much disruption as humanly possible.
So yeah, quite irritating people. Usually even outside of their cycling "Wow you really do hate cyclist's don't you? So what about people who are driving when not going to work,say socially or driving to their hobby,what if they get in your way are you as equally intolerant? What about children cycling to school are they also a hindrance? Or the old lady going about her business cycling in a designated cycling lane forced into the road and killed by an intolerant pedestrian as pointed out earlier in this thread,was she not allowed to be on the public highway? I genuinely don't understand this anger towards cyclist's. It baffles me how people fail to see a human being as soon as they get on a bike just a hindrance and an inconvenience to you that you may have an extra 30seconds added to your journey slowing down to pass them. | |||
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"When you see cars driving 6 abreast at 7MPH and can feel the smugness radiating from them as the tailback gathers, then we'll talk about car drivers in this context. " that is simply the most ridiculous reply on any thread ever. Well done you win  | |||
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"When you see cars driving 6 abreast at 7MPH and can feel the smugness radiating from them as the tailback gathers, then we'll talk about car drivers in this context. that is simply the most ridiculous reply on any thread ever. Well done you win " x | |||
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"Cyclists are the worst offenders they think they don't have to give way to anybody arrogant comes to mind " Same comes to mind of vehicle drivers for me! X | |||
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"What about who deliver food They go on pavements Go into one way streets in the wrong direction Missed two on motorbike going wrong way down the one way street Its business I don't think they have business insurance " I think everyone would agree that there is a problem with illegally adapted ebikes that are being used in many cities and significantly by food delivery firms. These are illegal and technically not bikes. And there's a huge mess around insurance, yes they need business insurance but yoy can't insure an illegal ebike. The police do clamp down on these but are pissing in the wind. My guess is there will be an accident which will lead to a claim against one of the companies which will force them to crack down on their couriers. But, to me these bikes abd their riders are no more typical of cyclists than the uninsured, unlicensed drink driver. No motorist would expect to be judged by those standards and I dint think cyclists should be either | |||
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"These cycling types are no better than vegans. Vegans insist in telling you that they are vegans and in the same way cyclists insist on telling you how far they cycle. Rather than say they commute to work by bicycle they have to add how many miles the journey is as if that adds anything to the conversation. It's like a badge of honour with them. To overheard 4 cyclists from Yorkshire in a pub once bragging about how far they cycle to work and it was like a game of top trumps. The first Yorkshire man said he cycled twenty miles to work. The second say, eh up lad that's nowt. I am up at three am and cycle 30 miles to the pit across the fells... And on it went... " Pinched from the Monty Python 4 Yorkshire men sketch | |||
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" Don't get me started on phone zombies. They are my nemesis as a wheelchair user "Pavement parkers for me when I'm out pushing a relative shame when the car gets scratched | |||
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"When you see cars driving 6 abreast at 7MPH and can feel the smugness radiating from them as the tailback gathers, then we'll talk about car drivers in this context. that is simply the most ridiculous reply on any thread ever. Well done you win "Clearly you are biased! I am unbiased but as someone who rides (solo) and drives in the Kent countryside on Sundays, I know exactly what they were alluding to! | |||
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