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"It's a no from me. I like to be in control. " Yes. If I did it. I'd have control over everything. | |||
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"Prey, don't worry, we know" But do you know enough how much I love to choose dick over oxygen? Or having those I trust remove that choice from me? | |||
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"Prey, don't worry, we know But do you know enough how much I love to choose dick over oxygen? Or having those I trust remove that choice from me? " I choose oxygen! Every time. | |||
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"I choose oxygen! Every time." Some are worth more than oxygen to me | |||
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"Men always get carried away !" Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... | |||
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"I choose oxygen! Every time. Some are worth more than oxygen to me " The cock or the bloke ? | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... " I like men who ruin my lipstick, not my mascara | |||
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"The cock or the bloke ?" Hmm. I fairly go to town on the more casual encounters, so I suppose the cock. Sometimes there are people worth really pushing it for though. | |||
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"Men always get carried away !" Yep, Porn has a lot to answer for, it gives some people some very warped ideas for sure. | |||
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"I thought this was the website faceparty relaunched under a different name " Nono, faceparty was the relaunch of facewhore | |||
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"The cock or the bloke ? Hmm. I fairly go to town on the more casual encounters, so I suppose the cock. Sometimes there are people worth really pushing it for though." I guess i'm the selfish type Thanks for your honesty. I don't moralise about sex acts but most of what is asked for by men via porn doesn't give me any sexual pleasure. e.g. there is no clit in my throat just a gag reflex. I get the oh well I enjoy letting them do it or the submission but lets face it submission is psychological not sexual satisfaction .... I prefer sex without any power play. And I don't like sore throats or arses for over a week after. Me me me me me | |||
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"Men always get carried away !" They do. That’s why I reserve it for the ones that know me well enough to know when enough is enough. It’s not something I’d do with a one off encounter with someone. | |||
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"I thought this was the website faceparty relaunched under a different name Nono, faceparty was the relaunch of facewhore " Got you. I'd never heard of facewhore until now | |||
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"The cock or the bloke ? Hmm. I fairly go to town on the more casual encounters, so I suppose the cock. Sometimes there are people worth really pushing it for though. I guess i'm the selfish type Thanks for your honesty. I don't moralise about sex acts but most of what is asked for by men via porn doesn't give me any sexual pleasure. e.g. there is no clit in my throat just a gag reflex. I get the oh well I enjoy letting them do it or the submission but lets face it submission is psychological not sexual satisfaction .... I prefer sex without any power play. And I don't like sore throats or arses for over a week after. Me me me me me " This my thinking too... Na, I know what I like and know what I want if guys don't like then the door is over there. My body my rules | |||
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"I guess i'm the selfish type Thanks for your honesty. I don't moralise about sex acts but most of what is asked for by men via porn doesn't give me any sexual pleasure. e.g. there is no clit in my throat just a gag reflex. I get the oh well I enjoy letting them do it or the submission but lets face it submission is psychological not sexual satisfaction .... I prefer sex without any power play. And I don't like sore throats or arses for over a week after. Me me me me me " And there's nothing wrong with being that way. Calling it selfish to be concerned about your own gratification will always seem weird to me. It's not really a submission thing for me, though I won't deny the acts of service feeds into that, but if I didn't genuinely get off on it, I wouldn't be interested in suffering for the sake of it. That said, I am a happy masochist, so that may well be part of why I adore that tear streaming experience just as I adore a good flogging. But while a little spanking and face fucking is okay with new people, there's only a few I trust and want to take it all the way with. | |||
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"Love it as part of mixing it up between more sensual and rough but if the guy is a one trick pony and only wants to jack hammer my face with his hand on my neck till I'm bringing up my Prosecco then I'm out of there " You shouldn’t drink Prosecco if you can’t handle it | |||
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"Love seeing a hot wife facefucked by BBC " Why don't you try it | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... " I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. And jumping to a later point...it's nothing about submission really either.. although I do understand why some would think that. As for training...I don't want to be , or enjoy being teacher.But someone who you can push boundaries with together...that's different Ultimately it's about enthusiastic consent... If she loves it...I love doing it. And behind the act itself...do I care about her wellbeing and knowing and respecting where the limits are ... Let the fun begin. I'm just very lucky I have a partner who does enthusiastically consent | |||
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"It's a no from me. I like to be in control. " Not so Wyld then? | |||
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"I'm not a fan of rough sex in any hole" Really ? Sorry I just couldn’t get my head around that… No pun intended. Really? | |||
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"Love it as part of mixing it up between more sensual and rough but if the guy is a one trick pony and only wants to jack hammer my face with his hand on my neck till I'm bringing up my Prosecco then I'm out of there You shouldn’t drink Prosecco if you can’t handle it " Oh I can handle it. And I'm not just talking about the Prosecco | |||
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"I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful." Beautiful? Not fucking cute? Or is this just a hint I should bother with mascara more often? | |||
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"I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. Beautiful? Not fucking cute? Or is this just a hint I should bother with mascara more often?" Haha...I mean you still look cute Mascara or no mascara...still fucking love it | |||
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" Haha...I mean you still look cute Mascara or no mascara...still fucking love it " Cunt | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place." The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. | |||
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" Haha...I mean you still look cute Mascara or no mascara...still fucking love it Cunt " True | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean." Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it " Please, don't do that to me | |||
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"Yes granny you can train a woman To open her throat and learn breathing techniques. But its all about consensual sex. First do you want this .do your trust him does he know what he's doing . Do you know that first foremost at All times he has your health and safety in mind . If your info it then you also must look after your own health and safety and make sure you look after your throat before and after ." I didn't ask about possibilities. I said someone will be along in a minute to tell us all how the woman can be trained to do this... | |||
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"I’m not totally oppose to it. It does have its moments, few that they are. I like being in control And more Importantly if your cock is in my mouth I want to enjoy it. The taste, the silkiness, the size and shape. Feeling it grow, feeling it stiffen at the point you’re about to cum. I want to enjoy it with my mouth, my tongue. I want to enjoy feeling your pleasure increase. For me, those things get lost in a hard face fuck" You have my full attention | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it " Could be dangerous if the bite makes their knees buckle | |||
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"I’m not totally oppose to it. It does have its moments, few that they are. I like being in control And more Importantly if your cock is in my mouth I want to enjoy it. The taste, the silkiness, the size and shape. Feeling it grow, feeling it stiffen at the point you’re about to cum. I want to enjoy it with my mouth, my tongue. I want to enjoy feeling your pleasure increase. For me, those things get lost in a hard face fuck You have my full attention " I’d rather have your cock | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it Could be dangerous if the bite makes their knees buckle " I was joking! | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. And jumping to a later point...it's nothing about submission really either.. although I do understand why some would think that. As for training...I don't want to be , or enjoy being teacher.But someone who you can push boundaries with together...that's different Ultimately it's about enthusiastic consent... If she loves it...I love doing it. And behind the act itself...do I care about her wellbeing and knowing and respecting where the limits are ... Let the fun begin. I'm just very lucky I have a partner who does enthusiastically consent " When is it your turn to enthusiastically consent to having something pushed down your throat ? Don't worry if you can't manage it at first. Just learn to relax. | |||
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"I’m not totally oppose to it. It does have its moments, few that they are. I like being in control And more Importantly if your cock is in my mouth I want to enjoy it. The taste, the silkiness, the size and shape. Feeling it grow, feeling it stiffen at the point you’re about to cum. I want to enjoy it with my mouth, my tongue. I want to enjoy feeling your pleasure increase. For me, those things get lost in a hard face fuck You have my full attention I’d rather have your cock " Well you caught his attention as well, so I'm sure that could be arranged | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean." That's a good shout to be fair. That way it still give them control of the situation and how far they're willing to go. | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it " So I take it face fucking is off the table then? | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean." In what type of situations do people need a safe word ? In dangerous ones perhaps ? | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it Please, don't do that to me " Brucey. It's okay. We can train you. YOu will learn how to take the bite on the cock. It's all about trust and pleasing the woman. Don't worry about the pain sweetie. | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... " Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils. | |||
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"In what type of situations do people need a safe word ? In dangerous ones perhaps ? " I don't do safe words myself. However, for people into CNC, it's something that should exist to avoid misunderstanding or misinterpretation without malicious intent. There should always be a way to remove consent at any point. | |||
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"I have had tried once and I don't really think it's for me. Even if they're completely fine with it, I'm always worried about going to far with it to fully enjoy it and can't really get lost in the moment. Would rather they control how deep they go should they want to go that deep in the first place. The best times I've done it I've had a tap out safe word effectively in place so they can make it clear to me it's too much. Three firm taps usually sorts that out as I get what you mean. Or just sink your gnashers in... That'll do it Could be dangerous if the bite makes their knees buckle I was joking! " I knew that , no-one could complaint if you did do it, especially if they carried on after bringing your prosecco back up | |||
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"I cannot stand it and I despise men who think it's okay to try without even asking. I enjoy giving blow jobs but cannot stand face fucking. It amuses me the men who tell women how to do it right then they will enjoy,but I've found very few of them actually willing to be face fucked themselves even with a dildo when asked to display the technique they know so much about,or when you tell them how much you despise it. " This is my thinking too, if they are wanting to give it then they should take it also no? Especially if they talk about training (wtf? Women aren't animals, dogs and horses can be trained, not people)... To understand it you need to experience it no? so come on guys, open your throats, let's see those tears | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. And jumping to a later point...it's nothing about submission really either.. although I do understand why some would think that. As for training...I don't want to be , or enjoy being teacher.But someone who you can push boundaries with together...that's different Ultimately it's about enthusiastic consent... If she loves it...I love doing it. And behind the act itself...do I care about her wellbeing and knowing and respecting where the limits are ... Let the fun begin. I'm just very lucky I have a partner who does enthusiastically consent When is it your turn to enthusiastically consent to having something pushed down your throat ? Don't worry if you can't manage it at first. Just learn to relax. " To be fair...my partner knows she can sit on my face and deprive me of my oxygen...and well she also has my enthusiastic consent. It just happens to be that...what we both enthusiastically enjoy is me fucking her face. | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. And jumping to a later point...it's nothing about submission really either.. although I do understand why some would think that. As for training...I don't want to be , or enjoy being teacher.But someone who you can push boundaries with together...that's different Ultimately it's about enthusiastic consent... If she loves it...I love doing it. And behind the act itself...do I care about her wellbeing and knowing and respecting where the limits are ... Let the fun begin. I'm just very lucky I have a partner who does enthusiastically consent When is it your turn to enthusiastically consent to having something pushed down your throat ? Don't worry if you can't manage it at first. Just learn to relax. To be fair...my partner knows she can sit on my face and deprive me of my oxygen...and well she also has my enthusiastic consent. It just happens to be that...what we both enthusiastically enjoy is me fucking her face." There is a difference between deprivation of oxygen by smothering and deprivation of oxygen by having something shoved down your throat, no oxygen and a choking risk. Choking whilst trying to take breaths sounds terrifying but hey as long as you cum | |||
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"On the reverse of the thread so far, I have to say I love it when a woman fucks my face. Take a seat and ride it till the wheels come off " Me too! | |||
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"In what type of situations do people need a safe word ? In dangerous ones perhaps ? I don't do safe words myself. However, for people into CNC, it's something that should exist to avoid misunderstanding or misinterpretation without malicious intent. There should always be a way to remove consent at any point." Can I ask how you know enough is enough from face fucking though and how you communicate that to your partner if you don't do safe words or signals? | |||
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"There is a difference between deprivation of oxygen by smothering and deprivation of oxygen by having something shoved down your throat, no oxygen and a choking risk. Choking whilst trying to take breaths sounds terrifying but hey as long as you cum " What consenting adults happily choose to do together is their own business and doesn't need judgement. I don't find it terrifying and actively choose to indulge in such things. If it's not for you can simply choose not to be involved | |||
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"In what type of situations do people need a safe word ? In dangerous ones perhaps ? I don't do safe words myself. However, for people into CNC, it's something that should exist to avoid misunderstanding or misinterpretation without malicious intent. There should always be a way to remove consent at any point. Can I ask how you know enough is enough from face fucking though and how you communicate that to your partner if you don't do safe words or signals?" I said I don't do safe words, I didn't say I don't do signals if the option to speak isn't there. Though I suppose honestly my safe words are "No" and "Stop" because I don't indulge in CNC. | |||
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"In what type of situations do people need a safe word ? In dangerous ones perhaps ? I don't do safe words myself. However, for people into CNC, it's something that should exist to avoid misunderstanding or misinterpretation without malicious intent. There should always be a way to remove consent at any point. Can I ask how you know enough is enough from face fucking though and how you communicate that to your partner if you don't do safe words or signals? I said I don't do safe words, I didn't say I don't do signals if the option to speak isn't there. Though I suppose honestly my safe words are "No" and "Stop" because I don't indulge in CNC. " Ahhh of course, sorry for misunderstanding. That makes sense then | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. And jumping to a later point...it's nothing about submission really either.. although I do understand why some would think that. As for training...I don't want to be , or enjoy being teacher.But someone who you can push boundaries with together...that's different Ultimately it's about enthusiastic consent... If she loves it...I love doing it. And behind the act itself...do I care about her wellbeing and knowing and respecting where the limits are ... Let the fun begin. I'm just very lucky I have a partner who does enthusiastically consent When is it your turn to enthusiastically consent to having something pushed down your throat ? Don't worry if you can't manage it at first. Just learn to relax. To be fair...my partner knows she can sit on my face and deprive me of my oxygen...and well she also has my enthusiastic consent. It just happens to be that...what we both enthusiastically enjoy is me fucking her face. There is a difference between deprivation of oxygen by smothering and deprivation of oxygen by having something shoved down your throat, no oxygen and a choking risk. Choking whilst trying to take breaths sounds terrifying but hey as long as you cum " Totally accept that. And honestly...the bit about cumming is not what it's all about. My partner is a better wordsmith than I am so she could probably explain better. But I accept it's not going to be for everyone. But I think your missing the bit where she loves doing it ..this isn't me taking advantage, or me doing something selfishly for my own pleasure at her expense ...she's aware of the risks as am I but have managed to enjoy it many many times. | |||
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" I said I don't do safe words, I didn't say I don't do signals if the option to speak isn't there. Though I suppose honestly my safe words are "No" and "Stop" because I don't indulge in CNC. " Don’t worry, I’m a, good listener | |||
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"Men always get carried away ! Of course they do. Their orgasm means so much to them they never consider what they are doing or to who. Someone will pop onto the thread shortly and say they can 'train women' to open their throats and hold their breath like Wim Hof and how much he loves to see them with their mascara running ... I'm one of those who does love so see the tears and mascara running... I totally love the aesthetic...some may find it strange but I find it beautiful. And jumping to a later point...it's nothing about submission really either.. although I do understand why some would think that. As for training...I don't want to be , or enjoy being teacher.But someone who you can push boundaries with together...that's different Ultimately it's about enthusiastic consent... If she loves it...I love doing it. And behind the act itself...do I care about her wellbeing and knowing and respecting where the limits are ... Let the fun begin. I'm just very lucky I have a partner who does enthusiastically consent When is it your turn to enthusiastically consent to having something pushed down your throat ? Don't worry if you can't manage it at first. Just learn to relax. To be fair...my partner knows she can sit on my face and deprive me of my oxygen...and well she also has my enthusiastic consent. It just happens to be that...what we both enthusiastically enjoy is me fucking her face. There is a difference between deprivation of oxygen by smothering and deprivation of oxygen by having something shoved down your throat, no oxygen and a choking risk. Choking whilst trying to take breaths sounds terrifying but hey as long as you cum " It's like swimming: you come up for air when you need it. | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils." But with all those strepsils inside my mouth.... would I not be likely to pass out anyway? | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils. But with all those strepsils inside my mouth.... would I not be likely to pass out anyway?" If you put your fingers or cock slowly down someone’s throat keeping pressure on the front , on some you can go all the way down and they won’t gag at all or even be uncomfortable. | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils. But with all those strepsils inside my mouth.... would I not be likely to pass out anyway? If you put your fingers or cock slowly down someone’s throat keeping pressure on the front , on some you can go all the way down and they won’t gag at all or even be uncomfortable." Please don’t put pressure on the front of someone’s throat, there are so many things that could go wrong there If you need to hold the throat only press the sides a little, never the front | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils. But with all those strepsils inside my mouth.... would I not be likely to pass out anyway? If you put your fingers or cock slowly down someone’s throat keeping pressure on the front , on some you can go all the way down and they won’t gag at all or even be uncomfortable. Please don’t put pressure on the front of someone’s throat, there are so many things that could go wrong there If you need to hold the throat only press the sides a little, never the front " Totally agree with this...pressure on the sides...restrict a little blood flow, but pressure directly on the windpipe... thats where things can go very wrong. | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils. But with all those strepsils inside my mouth.... would I not be likely to pass out anyway? If you put your fingers or cock slowly down someone’s throat keeping pressure on the front , on some you can go all the way down and they won’t gag at all or even be uncomfortable. Please don’t put pressure on the front of someone’s throat, there are so many things that could go wrong there If you need to hold the throat only press the sides a little, never the front " I don't think he meant holding the throat, I think he meant when deep throating someone to go for near the front as opposed to the back where the gag reflex is. Not sure if that's tru btw, but I think that's what he meant. | |||
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"Please give me oxygen anytime, anywhere and in any form over this.... Now you are just being a silly girl. Please the man and do the porn ! Who needs oxygen when a man needs a climax? P.S. Stock load strepsils. But with all those strepsils inside my mouth.... would I not be likely to pass out anyway? If you put your fingers or cock slowly down someone’s throat keeping pressure on the front , on some you can go all the way down and they won’t gag at all or even be uncomfortable. Please don’t put pressure on the front of someone’s throat, there are so many things that could go wrong there If you need to hold the throat only press the sides a little, never the front I don't think he meant holding the throat, I think he meant when deep throating someone to go for near the front as opposed to the back where the gag reflex is. Not sure if that's tru btw, but I think that's what he meant. " Inside or out, the bones in the front of the throat are delicate and not to be pushed on, that tends to unalive people A bj is fun, the other is less so | |||
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