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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike?" I haven’t had a pay rise in 3 years But I work because I have to | |||
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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike?" Or work 90 hours a week with out breaks and for the privilege have a big fat student loan of thousands of pounds...  | |||
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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike? I haven’t had a pay rise in 3 years But I work because I have to " So do they, and the Government hasn't been paying them fairly We're short on so many doctors and nurses because they are better paid in other countries. | |||
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"In the immortal words of Rage Against the Machine - Wake Up https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc" You could have picked a more valid band to be fair A band of the people Millionaires charging extortionate amounts for live shows Then cancel | |||
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"In the immortal words of Rage Against the Machine - Wake Up https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc You could have picked a more valid band to be fair A band of the people Millionaires charging extortionate amounts for live shows Then cancel " It's not a link to RATM... | |||
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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike? I haven’t had a pay rise in 3 years But I work because I have to So do they, and the Government hasn't been paying them fairly We're short on so many doctors and nurses because they are better paid in other countries." Trust me , I absolutely believe these people should be rich for what they do But they go into this knowing the facts Knowing the time it takes to become a consultant ect. | |||
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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike? I haven’t had a pay rise in 3 years But I work because I have to " Given inflation rates you've been taking a pay cut every year then. I'm lucky, my workplace appreciate me and regularly review and increase my wage and throw bonuses at me. And I'm just a data gremlin. Anyone who works deserves to earn enough to live on. And that's not happening  | |||
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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike? I haven’t had a pay rise in 3 years But I work because I have to Given inflation rates you've been taking a pay cut every year then. I'm lucky, my workplace appreciate me and regularly review and increase my wage and throw bonuses at me. And I'm just a data gremlin. Anyone who works deserves to earn enough to live on. And that's not happening "I’m aware of that and I’m glad your employer is a good one The exception not the rule | |||
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"I’m aware of that and I’m glad your employer is a good one The exception not the rule " I didn't say it was the rule. I know I'm blessed. If someone isn't being compensated appropriately for the work that they do they have the right to strike and take reasonable action. | |||
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"I’m aware of that and I’m glad your employer is a good one The exception not the rule I didn't say it was the rule. I know I'm blessed. If someone isn't being compensated appropriately for the work that they do they have the right to strike and take reasonable action." They have the right But I’m not convinced holding the public to ransom is the right way What happens next time they want more money ? | |||
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"Yeah, but what have doctors ever done for us? Oh... OP, I'm sure they won't get 35%, but it can't be right that some doctors are effectively paid less than £15ph, can it? " I agree But was that a surprise ? We’re there waves kept a secret until after a contract agreeing to terms and conditions was signed ? | |||
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"They have the right But I’m not convinced holding the public to ransom is the right way What happens next time they want more money ? " Do you think holding the public to ransom was the first choice? Hopefully the next time they need more money it's under a government that reacts before it gets to this stage. | |||
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"Yeah, but what have doctors ever done for us? Oh... OP, I'm sure they won't get 35%, but it can't be right that some doctors are effectively paid less than £15ph, can it? I agree But was that a surprise ? We’re there waves kept a secret until after a contract agreeing to terms and conditions was signed ?" So you agree they can strike for improved terms and conditions? Excellent. I actually suspect it is a surprise to some as you're a 'junior' doctor for quite some time, but I'm no doctor so I don't know. But we can't have it (like certain areas of law) that a career is only viable if you have additional support from elsewhere, like a wealthy family, or we're going to miss out on some very good doctors. | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt." This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions | |||
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"Yeah, but what have doctors ever done for us? Oh... OP, I'm sure they won't get 35%, but it can't be right that some doctors are effectively paid less than £15ph, can it? I agree But was that a surprise ? We’re there waves kept a secret until after a contract agreeing to terms and conditions was signed ? So you agree they can strike for improved terms and conditions? Excellent. I actually suspect it is a surprise to some as you're a 'junior' doctor for quite some time, but I'm no doctor so I don't know. But we can't have it (like certain areas of law) that a career is only viable if you have additional support from elsewhere, like a wealthy family, or we're going to miss out on some very good doctors. " | |||
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"In the immortal words of Rage Against the Machine - Wake Up https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc" This thread reminds me of something said in the movie Men In Black. J - why the secrecy. Just tell people. K - A person is smart, people are dumb panicky and dangerous. I'll never understand why some have such short memories. Jonathan here NAILS this argument. https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc Report report | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions " Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.  | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors. "You missed my point Probably on purpose | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
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What is your point? "Oh dear Ok In simple terms just for you You make your bed You lie in it | |||
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"Oh dear Ok In simple terms just for you You make your bed You lie in it " I know several people who have joined the medical profession, teaching, policework, and left. We won't have any of our essential services if they don't compensate the people who do those jobs effectively. | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
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What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it "So why are you complaining about freezing? Just get on with it. Pee when you get home.  | |||
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" Oh dear Ok In simple terms just for you You make your bed You lie in it " There we go.... O M F G | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
So why are you complaining about freezing? Just get on with it. Pee when you get home. "Oh my | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it "Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider. If you're not happy in your job then change careers. Or strike for better pay and conditions. Or don't. A | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
And if we all did the same ?
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
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And if we all did the same ?
"Then employers would soon learn that you can't pay shit wages and maintain a happy workforce. Don't forget many of these strikes aren't just about pay - they're about conditions. Important too, especially when employers are attempting to change terms of contracts to affect working hours, shift patterns, safety concerns etc. Maybe everybody should strike. A general strike would send a clear message to the powers that be that just because we left the EU and therefore aren't bound by many of the laws that were put in place to protect employees that they can't just rip them up and pretend they never existed. Why do you think the government and so many big businesses were keen to push the leave vote? A | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
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And if we all did the same ?
Then employers would soon learn that you can't pay shit wages and maintain a happy workforce.
Don't forget many of these strikes aren't just about pay - they're about conditions. Important too, especially when employers are attempting to change terms of contracts to affect working hours, shift patterns, safety concerns etc.
Maybe everybody should strike. A general strike would send a clear message to the powers that be that just because we left the EU and therefore aren't bound by many of the laws that were put in place to protect employees that they can't just rip them up and pretend they never existed.
Why do you think the government and so many big businesses were keen to push the leave vote?
If it was about conditions,recruitment and hours of work
Absolutely
But it’s about £20 a week more
Look at the banners
“More Pay” far outnumbers anything else
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt." I don't think at 18 when these people enter medical school they realise the physical and emotional input that will be required. | |||
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"If you hadn't had a pay rise that reflected the hours you work and the work you do, wouldn't you go on strike?" No I’d find a better employer or consider a complete career change | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
A
And if we all did the same ?
Then employers would soon learn that you can't pay shit wages and maintain a happy workforce.
Don't forget many of these strikes aren't just about pay - they're about conditions. Important too, especially when employers are attempting to change terms of contracts to affect working hours, shift patterns, safety concerns etc.
Maybe everybody should strike. A general strike would send a clear message to the powers that be that just because we left the EU and therefore aren't bound by many of the laws that were put in place to protect employees that they can't just rip them up and pretend they never existed.
Why do you think the government and so many big businesses were keen to push the leave vote?
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If it was about conditions,recruitment and hours of work
Absolutely
But it’s about £20 a week more
Look at the banners
“More Pay” far outnumbers anything else
"Most of the recent strikes have been. The Junior Doctors one is about pay. The government have said it's unaffordable and would cost £2bn The same government that have no issues with the budget for HS2 rocketing from the initial £33bn cost to over £100bn. The same government that spent £37bn on an ineffective track and trace system when there were viable options at under £1bn. The same government that punked billions on PPE contracts to buddies and donors. Which do you feel would provide better value for money to the taxpayer - doctors, a train set, all that waste on covid? Funny how they can't consider a proper windfall tax on energy companies that would more than offset a decent pay rise for all NHS staff isn't it? Doctors are asking for 26% because they've seen no real terms rise in over a decade. MP's of course have seen pay rise by 28% since 2010. Funny that....... 
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
A
And if we all did the same ?
Then employers would soon learn that you can't pay shit wages and maintain a happy workforce.
Don't forget many of these strikes aren't just about pay - they're about conditions. Important too, especially when employers are attempting to change terms of contracts to affect working hours, shift patterns, safety concerns etc.
Maybe everybody should strike. A general strike would send a clear message to the powers that be that just because we left the EU and therefore aren't bound by many of the laws that were put in place to protect employees that they can't just rip them up and pretend they never existed.
Why do you think the government and so many big businesses were keen to push the leave vote?
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If it was about conditions,recruitment and hours of work
Absolutely
But it’s about £20 a week more
Look at the banners
“More Pay” far outnumbers anything else
Most of the recent strikes have been.
The Junior Doctors one is about pay.
The government have said it's unaffordable and would cost £2bn
The same government that have no issues with the budget for HS2 rocketing from the initial £33bn cost to over £100bn. The same government that spent £37bn on an ineffective track and trace system when there were viable options at under £1bn. The same government that punked billions on PPE contracts to buddies and donors.
Which do you feel would provide better value for money to the taxpayer - doctors, a train set, all that waste on covid?
Funny how they can't consider a proper windfall tax on energy companies that would more than offset a decent pay rise for all NHS staff isn't it?
Doctors are asking for 26% because they've seen no real terms rise in over a decade.
MP's of course have seen pay rise by 28% since 2010. Funny that.......
A global pandemic
A European war
They cost a few quid too
And yes
That money you speak of is gone or spoken for
So where does more come from ?
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
A
And if we all did the same ?
Then employers would soon learn that you can't pay shit wages and maintain a happy workforce.
Don't forget many of these strikes aren't just about pay - they're about conditions. Important too, especially when employers are attempting to change terms of contracts to affect working hours, shift patterns, safety concerns etc.
Maybe everybody should strike. A general strike would send a clear message to the powers that be that just because we left the EU and therefore aren't bound by many of the laws that were put in place to protect employees that they can't just rip them up and pretend they never existed.
Why do you think the government and so many big businesses were keen to push the leave vote?
A
If it was about conditions,recruitment and hours of work
Absolutely
But it’s about £20 a week more
Look at the banners
“More Pay” far outnumbers anything else
Most of the recent strikes have been.
The Junior Doctors one is about pay.
The government have said it's unaffordable and would cost £2bn
The same government that have no issues with the budget for HS2 rocketing from the initial £33bn cost to over £100bn. The same government that spent £37bn on an ineffective track and trace system when there were viable options at under £1bn. The same government that punked billions on PPE contracts to buddies and donors.
Which do you feel would provide better value for money to the taxpayer - doctors, a train set, all that waste on covid?
Funny how they can't consider a proper windfall tax on energy companies that would more than offset a decent pay rise for all NHS staff isn't it?
Doctors are asking for 26% because they've seen no real terms rise in over a decade.
MP's of course have seen pay rise by 28% since 2010. Funny that.......
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A global pandemic
A European war
They cost a few quid too
And yes
That money you speak of is gone or spoken for
So where does more come from ?
"Where? The energy profits levy that Hunt announced last November will raise £55bn from now til 2028. He also committed at a £20bn R&D budget whilst nor specifically saying what that will be spent on, although it relates to nuclear power and green energy, along with saying HS2 will go ahead despite the tripling of costs. Maybe take 10% of that R&D budget. I'm sure the private sector can afford to invest in R&D themselves, given they will undoubtedly benefit from lucrative government contracts as EDF have done with Hinkley point. Maybe they should refuse to pay the ever rising bills on their new train set? If contacts were signed at a certain price then why is the taxpayer expected to pay triple because private companies can't provide the service they promised at the agreed price? They've asked for more money or time over 3000 times since work began. How about we ask the government to provide value for money from spending rather than cash going to donors and cronies and the private sector, rather than efficient spending? If the UK government was a private business it would have been shut down long ago. A | |||
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" How about we ask the government to provide value for money from spending rather than cash going to donors and cronies and the private sector, rather than efficient spending? If the UK government was a private business it would have been shut down long ago. A" I rarely get involved with threads of this nature - but I wholeheartedly agree with this. | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions Did you go into the job knowing the facts? Why don't you retrain to be a doctor or a nurse? They work indoors.
You missed my point
Probably on purpose
What is your point?
Oh dear
Ok
In simple terms just for you
You make your bed
You lie in it
Or you ask for fair pay and when it's refused you use your legal right to strike and protest in the hope that encourages your employer to reconsider.
If you're not happy in your job then change careers.
Or strike for better pay and conditions.
Or don't.
A
And if we all did the same ?
Then employers would soon learn that you can't pay shit wages and maintain a happy workforce.
Don't forget many of these strikes aren't just about pay - they're about conditions. Important too, especially when employers are attempting to change terms of contracts to affect working hours, shift patterns, safety concerns etc.
Maybe everybody should strike. A general strike would send a clear message to the powers that be that just because we left the EU and therefore aren't bound by many of the laws that were put in place to protect employees that they can't just rip them up and pretend they never existed.
Why do you think the government and so many big businesses were keen to push the leave vote?
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If it was about conditions,recruitment and hours of work
Absolutely
But it’s about £20 a week more
Look at the banners
“More Pay” far outnumbers anything else
Most of the recent strikes have been.
The Junior Doctors one is about pay.
The government have said it's unaffordable and would cost £2bn
The same government that have no issues with the budget for HS2 rocketing from the initial £33bn cost to over £100bn. The same government that spent £37bn on an ineffective track and trace system when there were viable options at under £1bn. The same government that punked billions on PPE contracts to buddies and donors.
Which do you feel would provide better value for money to the taxpayer - doctors, a train set, all that waste on covid?
Funny how they can't consider a proper windfall tax on energy companies that would more than offset a decent pay rise for all NHS staff isn't it?
Doctors are asking for 26% because they've seen no real terms rise in over a decade.
MP's of course have seen pay rise by 28% since 2010. Funny that.......
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A global pandemic
A European war
They cost a few quid too
And yes
That money you speak of is gone or spoken for
So where does more come from ?
Where? The energy profits levy that Hunt announced last November will raise £55bn from now til 2028.
He also committed at a £20bn R&D budget whilst nor specifically saying what that will be spent on, although it relates to nuclear power and green energy, along with saying HS2 will go ahead despite the tripling of costs.
Maybe take 10% of that R&D budget. I'm sure the private sector can afford to invest in R&D themselves, given they will undoubtedly benefit from lucrative government contracts as EDF have done with Hinkley point. Maybe they should refuse to pay the ever rising bills on their new train set? If contacts were signed at a certain price then why is the taxpayer expected to pay triple because private companies can't provide the service they promised at the agreed price? They've asked for more money or time over 3000 times since work began.
How about we ask the government to provide value for money from spending rather than cash going to donors and cronies and the private sector, rather than efficient spending?
If the UK government was a private business it would have been shut down long ago.
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" What happens next time they want more money ? " What happens next time you want treating? Have you seen how short the NHS is of doctors, and GP surgeries have to close down or become amalgamated in order to survive. This govt has run the NHS into the ground, and clapped as they did it. | |||
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" How about we ask the government to provide value for money from spending rather than cash going to donors and cronies and the private sector, rather than efficient spending? If the UK government was a private business it would have been shut down long ago. A I wholeheartedly agree But we all know this money is spoken for and 0 will be spent on anything we want/need But there’s nothing we can do about it But trying to take more money out for these people’s pay rises is t going to happen We know this It’s not for us to decide where the money goes I don’t like it as much as everyone else but it’s a fact And striking only weakens our workforce Puts people at risk And globally makes us look like a bunch of entitled idiots " The government are accountable to the population so yes, it is up to us where money is spent. The problem is that the media have done a great job of telling everyone how irresponsible Labour would be in power re finances, when the history books tell otherwise. Hence people keep voting in the same self serving morons time and time again, all the while complaining about the state of the country which is entirely down to the same morons. Striking doesn't weaken the workforce at all. It shows that people are willing to use all their legal rights to protect themselves. It happens all over the world and is a highly effective tool when employers and governments are unwilling to hold sensible negotiations. A | |||
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" What happens next time they want more money ? What happens next time you want treating? Have you seen how short the NHS is of doctors, and GP surgeries have to close down or become amalgamated in order to survive. This govt has run the NHS into the ground, and clapped as they did it." And still everyone thinks its a wonderful service and fit for purpose and deserves more money throwing at it. Keep doing the same thing, you keep getting the same outcome. | |||
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" How about we ask the government to provide value for money from spending rather than cash going to donors and cronies and the private sector, rather than efficient spending? If the UK government was a private business it would have been shut down long ago. A I wholeheartedly agree But we all know this money is spoken for and 0 will be spent on anything we want/need But there’s nothing we can do about it But trying to take more money out for these people’s pay rises is t going to happen We know this It’s not for us to decide where the money goes I don’t like it as much as everyone else but it’s a fact And striking only weakens our workforce Puts people at risk And globally makes us look like a bunch of entitled idiots The government are accountable to the population so yes, it is up to us where money is spent. The problem is that the media have done a great job of telling everyone how irresponsible Labour would be in power re finances, when the history books tell otherwise. Hence people keep voting in the same self serving morons time and time again, all the while complaining about the state of the country which is entirely down to the same morons. Striking doesn't weaken the workforce at all. It shows that people are willing to use all their legal rights to protect themselves. It happens all over the world and is a highly effective tool when employers and governments are unwilling to hold sensible negotiations. But it’s not up to us is it so you’ve contradicted yourself If it was up to us the expenditures you speak of would’nt have happened But they did So it’s not down to us It SHOULD be But clearly it’s not Who wants HS2? I don’t know 1 person But still it goes on A " | |||
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"Yeah, but what have doctors ever done for us? Oh... OP, I'm sure they won't get 35%, but it can't be right that some doctors are effectively paid less than £15ph, can it? I agree But was that a surprise ? We’re there waves kept a secret until after a contract agreeing to terms and conditions was signed ?" If no one takes the jobs who looks after our health when we need it? Who goes into a job thinking well the wages are not good but I am happy that they go backwards since 2010? While pay has risen in nominal terms it has consistently lagged inflation | |||
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"20+ years as a doctor in the NHS here and I certainly am not rich. In fact I was on call last night to cover for the striking juniors. I wish them well, their strike is about who is going to be caring for people like me if I need it in the future. Other posters have said things like “they knew what they were getting into”. Not strictly true, as pay, and pensions are a fraction of what they were when I started. Retirement age is forever increasing and the demands, expectations and standards expected by the public (and complained about by the politicians and media) are in a different stratosphere. Other people will be saying the same I know, and I don’t want this to sound like a whinge, but medicine as a profession is slightly different to a job. People going into this make a commitment, often at 15/16 years old to get the work experience, the skills and the qualifications they will need to even be considered for a university place. That’s at an age when lots of other people are not having to make quite such grown up choices. You won’t be getting your first pay cheque until you’re 24, up to 8 years after your non-medical classmates. Then add on 80k of debt. That commitment I talked about lasts until you’re 68 when you might be able to retire. Medicine in the UK is largely a monopoly employer, that’s how the wages are driven down. Whilst in training (approx 10 years post graduating) you simply cannot work for anyone except the NHS. Wages are suppressed despite shortages because of what the governments of all flavours have always deemed a never ending supply of foreign qualified doctors wanting first world experience. These people often are trained in countries where the cost of training is zero. If you want a decent quality of doctor to look after you when you need it, think about what it takes. And think about how you want those efforts to be recognised whilst working nights, weekends and Christmas Day. Because at the moment that’s only a couple of pounds an hour more than minimum wage."
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" What happens next time they want more money ? What happens next time you want treating? Have you seen how short the NHS is of doctors, and GP surgeries have to close down or become amalgamated in order to survive. This govt has run the NHS into the ground, and clapped as they did it. And still everyone thinks its a wonderful service and fit for purpose and deserves more money throwing at it. Keep doing the same thing, you keep getting the same outcome. " I think they need a good shake up. Get rid of the many managers they have for each thing and try and recruit new staff with a good enough wage that will keep them. The job is way too stressful and one I really couldnt do. Lets value the staff who can do it. I know we all talk about not being able to get Dr appointment etc but there has been some plus's coming out of the pandemic, they have streamlined how they do things and bypass having to go to the Docs four times before being referred etc so it can be done. | |||
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" What happens next time they want more money ? What happens next time you want treating? Have you seen how short the NHS is of doctors, and GP surgeries have to close down or become amalgamated in order to survive. This govt has run the NHS into the ground, and clapped as they did it. And still everyone thinks its a wonderful service and fit for purpose and deserves more money throwing at it. Keep doing the same thing, you keep getting the same outcome. I think they need a good shake up. Get rid of the many managers they have for each thing and try and recruit new staff with a good enough wage that will keep them. The job is way too stressful and one I really couldnt do. Lets value the staff who can do it. I know we all talk about not being able to get Dr appointment etc but there has been some plus's coming out of the pandemic, they have streamlined how they do things and bypass having to go to the Docs four times before being referred etc so it can be done." I’ve been saying for a long time Maybe privatisation would be a good thing Lose the dead wood Ineffective management Put that money into actually helping people Management are killing hospitals | |||
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"Just in January through strike action. And junior doctors demanding 35% rise What a joke " Really ?..you think it's a joke ? They work for hours upon hours for little or nothing while people in wayyy less important positions get lotto style wages , a person's health is the most important thing and these people do their best for wayyy less money than what they truly deserve, anyone that works at the coal face of health deserve a proper wage. | |||
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"35%? If you are going to negotiate a pay rise, thats a strong start. But it is a negotiation. If they went in with an opening gambit of 5%, the Government would negotiate it down to 1 or immediately then "cave in" to give them 2% based on historic austerity pay rises. we all need 9.2% minimum just to stand still and no one in the public sector is ever going to get that, but clapping on the doorstep in lieu of a pay rise doesn't put food on the table. Some jobs you go in to for the love of the job first, then are you actually able to do it. Renumeration is often low down on the list at first. But when you see other professions getting generous pay deals yet the Govt restricts yours, you feel less valued. The NHS, Police, Armed Forces etc lived through 1% pay rises as the whipping boys through austerity. Consistently undervalued whilst lauded in times of National Emergency. I agree with previous comments that pay has to be affordable. But vanity projects like HS2 need to be cancelled and the money invested in something useful, like the public sector? " Rail workers just got between 10 & 15% Why should Dr's not get a similar or greater rise? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/train-strikes-rmt-pay-offer-rise-b1065739.html A | |||
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"35%? If you are going to negotiate a pay rise, thats a strong start. But it is a negotiation. If they went in with an opening gambit of 5%, the Government would negotiate it down to 1 or immediately then "cave in" to give them 2% based on historic austerity pay rises. we all need 9.2% minimum just to stand still and no one in the public sector is ever going to get that, but clapping on the doorstep in lieu of a pay rise doesn't put food on the table. Some jobs you go in to for the love of the job first, then are you actually able to do it. Renumeration is often low down on the list at first. But when you see other professions getting generous pay deals yet the Govt restricts yours, you feel less valued. The NHS, Police, Armed Forces etc lived through 1% pay rises as the whipping boys through austerity. Consistently undervalued whilst lauded in times of National Emergency. I agree with previous comments that pay has to be affordable. But vanity projects like HS2 need to be cancelled and the money invested in something useful, like the public sector? Rail workers just got between 10 & 15% Why should Dr's not get a similar or greater rise? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/train-strikes-rmt-pay-offer-rise-b1065739.html A" I agree | |||
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"20+ years as a doctor in the NHS here and I certainly am not rich. In fact I was on call last night to cover for the striking juniors. I wish them well, their strike is about who is going to be caring for people like me if I need it in the future. Other posters have said things like “they knew what they were getting into”. Not strictly true, as pay, and pensions are a fraction of what they were when I started. Retirement age is forever increasing and the demands, expectations and standards expected by the public (and complained about by the politicians and media) are in a different stratosphere. Other people will be saying the same I know, and I don’t want this to sound like a whinge, but medicine as a profession is slightly different to a job. People going into this make a commitment, often at 15/16 years old to get the work experience, the skills and the qualifications they will need to even be considered for a university place. That’s at an age when lots of other people are not having to make quite such grown up choices. You won’t be getting your first pay cheque until you’re 24, up to 8 years after your non-medical classmates. Then add on 80k of debt. That commitment I talked about lasts until you’re 68 when you might be able to retire. Medicine in the UK is largely a monopoly employer, that’s how the wages are driven down. Whilst in training (approx 10 years post graduating) you simply cannot work for anyone except the NHS. Wages are suppressed despite shortages because of what the governments of all flavours have always deemed a never ending supply of foreign qualified doctors wanting first world experience. These people often are trained in countries where the cost of training is zero. If you want a decent quality of doctor to look after you when you need it, think about what it takes. And think about how you want those efforts to be recognised whilst working nights, weekends and Christmas Day. Because at the moment that’s only a couple of pounds an hour more than minimum wage." In addition, as a doctor you are not expected to have a bad day, make a poor decision and ethically speaking, you would not want to either. The permanently high level of responsibility and working with risk is rivalled by few other professions. | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions " And that you accept poor conditions which you don't have to is not the fault of others be they Doctor's or football players etc.. If you put up with shit working conditions from an employer they will only continue to treat you that way, the construction industry does well profits wise .. | |||
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"My point is they have chosen to go down the career path, they would know the wage, hours and condition before they started as the NHS has been overstretched for so many years. You can't start a job then complain when you already knew the facts. I'm not sure what the answer is bit striking isn't it. If every person who was underpaid and poor working conditions went on strike then the county would grind to a total halt. This I’m in construction Currently freezing my ass off But goes with the job When it freezes we have to go to a local supermarket to use the toilet Horrible That’s poor conditions And that you accept poor conditions which you don't have to is not the fault of others be they Doctor's or football players etc.. If you put up with shit working conditions from an employer they will only continue to treat you that way, the construction industry does well profits wise .." Yes I’m sure the company I’m working with are making good money Doesn’t mean I am My point is It’s my choice I changed from retail management many years ago General public ? Ewwwww | |||
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"Just in January through strike action. And junior doctors demanding 35% rise What a joke i feel the real joke is the infinitely unending pay rises that MPs get... plus expenses. Yes its important that those we trust to run the country are underpaid. " Do you value our Government more than doctors? | |||
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"Just in January through strike action. And junior doctors demanding 35% rise What a joke Really ?..you think it's a joke ? They work for hours upon hours for little or nothing while people in wayyy less important positions get lotto style wages , a person's health is the most important thing and these people do their best for wayyy less money than what they truly deserve, anyone that works at the coal face of health deserve a proper wage. Bin men Bus Drivers Train Drivers Border Force Barristers " If any of the occupants you have mentioned need to go to hospital , who do they see or who see's them ????? A Doctor ..that's who...l am in NO WAY undermining the occupations you have mentioned.. absolutely not but l work in a place where the aforementioned work and l see at first hand what they have to deal with , how they work and the conditions they do so, go to any A&E on the weekend and you'll see what they have to put up with... Junior Drs. deserve a higher wage that what they get , during Covid who were on the frontline ?.. people that work in the Health service. | |||
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"Just in January through strike action. And junior doctors demanding 35% rise What a joke i feel the real joke is the infinitely unending pay rises that MPs get... plus expenses. Yes its important that those we trust to run the country are underpaid. Do you value our Government more than doctors?" I can value more than one organisation. It isnt binary. now this government? Its hard to see many positives. Equally my experiences with nhs and drs hasnt been very good. No honestly. Pretty poor. Whilst some do work hard. So do many other people. Who depending upon what you want at that point in time could be as important. Lets also not forget that some drs, surgeons and consultants are extraordinairily well rewarded. And rinsing the nhs. | |||
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"Just in January through strike action. And junior doctors demanding 35% rise What a joke I think if you’re ever in need of their services you’d happily pay them twice as much at the point of incision…" Not if they’re on strike Shall I bleed out instead ? | |||
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"Just in January through strike action. And junior doctors demanding 35% rise What a joke I think if you’re ever in need of their services you’d happily pay them twice as much at the point of incision… Not if they’re on strike Shall I bleed out instead ?" Then they should get paid more so they don’t go on strike! Clearly someone who has a job with years and years of training and has a job whereby someone’s life could be in their hands….they should get paid a huge amount. Not many people’s jobs can be life saving day in day out. | |||
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