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"Any public controversy is brilliant to keep people distracted from the real issues that matter and affect our daily livelihoods. Anything to not focus on the shit show the UK has turned into "Wasn't he trying to highlight current issues though ? | |||
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"Any public controversy is brilliant to keep people distracted from the real issues that matter and affect our daily livelihoods. Anything to not focus on the shit show the UK has turned into
Wasn't he trying to highlight current issues though ? "That's what I thought he was doing... | |||
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"Any public controversy is brilliant to keep people distracted from the real issues that matter and affect our daily livelihoods. Anything to not focus on the shit show the UK has turned into
Wasn't he trying to highlight current issues though ? "I’ve heard jack-all about the actual issue these past few days, plenty about Lineaker, his colleagues and the BBC but not the actual topic he was commenting on. | |||
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"Any public controversy is brilliant to keep people distracted from the real issues that matter and affect our daily livelihoods. Anything to not focus on the shit show the UK has turned into
Wasn't he trying to highlight current issues though ?
I’ve heard jack-all about the actual issue these past few days, plenty about Lineaker, his colleagues and the BBC but not the actual topic he was commenting on. "That is a valid point. It all got washed out isn't it ? Shift of focus. | |||
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"Viewing figures were much higher without him & his mates, so why not sack e'm all & save the licence payer some money" You do realise, regardless, it won't save anyone money. It will just be used to fund another show. They will still take that same money away from you. | |||
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"Am I only the only one thinks the media care more about this than anyone else?" Yes that's what we need, another thread about it all | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand." He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand. He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. " Yes dont come here with your facts.! So too were Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, James Callaghan, John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May. | |||
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"Viewing figures were much higher without him & his mates, so why not sack e'm all & save the licence payer some money" Because people love to watch car crash TV. Guaranteed those ratings wouldn't be the same 2 or 3 weeks from now. | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand. He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. Yes dont come here with your facts.! So too were Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, James Callaghan, John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May. " Like I said, taking attention away from the real point.  | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand. He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. Yes dont come here with your facts.! So too were Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, James Callaghan, John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May. Like I said, taking attention away from the real point. "What's the real point? | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand. He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. Yes dont come here with your facts.! So too were Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, James Callaghan, John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May. Like I said, taking attention away from the real point.
What's the real point? "the country is totaly fucked on thier watch and they dont know what to do about it other than point at " them over there in rubber boats" | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand. He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. Yes dont come here with your facts.! So too were Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, James Callaghan, John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May. Like I said, taking attention away from the real point.
What's the real point? the country is totaly fucked on thier watch and they dont know what to do about it other than point at " them over there in rubber boats" "Just a thought. If thats the case (and dont disagree with the first part) isnt the "distraction" all coming from those withdrawing their Labour and making it a bigger distraction and escalating ? Do you think if they just moved on and worked as contracted, that the distraction would disappear and "they" could get back to focussing on the "real" issues as you said? The more they escalate the more they distract no? | |||
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"Anyone who crosses the channel in a rubber boat having travelled 1000miles to do so has completed their quest and we should welcome them. These people have more balls than you do! Why? I will give you a rubber boat and challenge you to go to France to keep your passport. Fair?" I don’t have a passport  | |||
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"Anyone who crosses the channel in a rubber boat having travelled 1000miles to do so has completed their quest and we should welcome them. These people have more balls than you do! Why? I will give you a rubber boat and challenge you to go to France to keep your passport. Fair?" Course it is. That's exactly the way controlled immigration works in all countries. Anyone can live anywhere so long as they have a rubber boat. | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand. He isn’t the second non elected prime minister, there have been several before the current government, Gordon Brown springs to mind. Yes dont come here with your facts.! So too were Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, James Callaghan, John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May. Like I said, taking attention away from the real point.
What's the real point? "I could say: Either side of the arguement you are still comforming to what the media and political system wants, and to take away the idea of rebeling of the status quo. Socioty in nonsensicle as is the arguement about Gary Liniker, the systems draws people attention away from the fact that governments create these sinuation and diverts peoples attention away from the the main couses of these problems or how to truely fix these world issue. Governments a big business which make money out of grief and misery around the world. But, I was brought up in a hippy communte by parents of the rajneesh movement so instead I will just retort that the point is the sharp thing at the end. | |||
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"Viewing figures were much higher without him & his mates, so why not sack e'm all & save the licence payer some money" I think everyone watched for the novelty because no one knew the format until an hour before If they did that on a regular basis the viewing figures would absolutely tank! | |||
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"Viewing figures were much higher without him & his mates, so why not sack e'm all & save the licence payer some money You do realise, regardless, it won't save anyone money. It will just be used to fund another show. They will still take that same money away from you. " But we might get better programming than bloody football | |||
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"The BBC could replace any of these people tomorrow, thousands of former professional footballers waiting to take their place." Although someone like Greavsie would not have fitted the modern profile | |||
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"Viewing figures were much higher without him & his mates, so why not sack e'm all & save the licence payer some money You do realise, regardless, it won't save anyone money. It will just be used to fund another show. They will still take that same money away from you. But we might get better programming than bloody football" Hundreds of channels and subscription options, and you can't find anything else to watch? | |||
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"The BBC could replace any of these people tomorrow, thousands of former professional footballers waiting to take their place. Although someone like Greavsie would not have fitted the modern profile "Good point, but if you want to put Jimmy Greaves on MOTD you'll need a flashlight and a shovel. | |||
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"The BBC could replace any of these people tomorrow, thousands of former professional footballers waiting to take their place. Although someone like Greavsie would not have fitted the modern profile
Good point, but if you want to put Jimmy Greaves on MOTD you'll need a flashlight and a shovel."Pmsl......actually a dustpan and brush | |||
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"The BBC could replace any of these people tomorrow, thousands of former professional footballers waiting to take their place. Although someone like Greavsie would not have fitted the modern profile
Good point, but if you want to put Jimmy Greaves on MOTD you'll need a flashlight and a shovel.
Pmsl......actually a dustpan and brush"And would still be more interesting and insightful than Michael Owen | |||
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"Forgive me for throwing a spanner in the works but doesn't the withdrawal of labour by GL's colleagues amount to either a strike or a breach of contract? Of course, this will not apply to GL as he was effectively suspended by his employer. If it is a strike by GL's colleagues, there hasn't been a vote for strike action and the appropriate notice period hasn't been provided. A breach of contract will have appropriate remedies should the employer wish to pursue them. " Like him they are all contractors. This is why the studio staff who initially said they were looking at supporting him realised they couldn't bevause they are salaried | |||
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"The BBC could replace any of these people tomorrow, thousands of former professional footballers waiting to take their place." I think you are missing the point and underestimating the strength of feeling this has stirred in people who are fed up with the tactics of this most corrupt of governments. This is a clear effort by this government to salvage any chance of winning the next election, they are stoking up divide and hatred amongst the electorate in a way that has been seen before in history, and Lineker rightly pointed that out. It's not a case of supporting illegal immigration, it's exposing the vitriolic language used by many in the government when talking about the problem. | |||
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"Forgive me for throwing a spanner in the works but doesn't the withdrawal of labour by GL's colleagues amount to either a strike or a breach of contract? Of course, this will not apply to GL as he was effectively suspended by his employer. If it is a strike by GL's colleagues, there hasn't been a vote for strike action and the appropriate notice period hasn't been provided. A breach of contract will have appropriate remedies should the employer wish to pursue them. " Well this is where it gets even more complicated. Lineker has not appeared on MOTD for breaching the BBC's rules on impartiality as we all know. However, in airing the "cut down" 20 min version on Saturday the BBC broke its own rules as it did not offer any of the contracted extras certain viewers need. I work with a lot of people with impaired sight and/or hearing and they rely on subtitles and audio commentary in order to enjoy the BBC's output. And to be fair to the Beeb for all their many faults they do excel at this. But under their charter certainly mainstream programs like MOTD cannot be shown as it did on Saturday. Ok... we all got to cut the Beeb a little slack as they were caught out. So did the best they could. But - yes - the technical and legal ramifications are quite problematic when coupled with the issues you raise in your point. All we can do is see what happens! | |||
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"Forgive me for throwing a spanner in the works but doesn't the withdrawal of labour by GL's colleagues amount to either a strike or a breach of contract? Of course, this will not apply to GL as he was effectively suspended by his employer. If it is a strike by GL's colleagues, there hasn't been a vote for strike action and the appropriate notice period hasn't been provided. A breach of contract will have appropriate remedies should the employer wish to pursue them. Well this is where it gets even more complicated. Lineker has not appeared on MOTD for breaching the BBC's rules on impartiality as we all know. However, in airing the "cut down" 20 min version on Saturday the BBC broke its own rules as it did not offer any of the contracted extras certain viewers need. I work with a lot of people with impaired sight and/or hearing and they rely on subtitles and audio commentary in order to enjoy the BBC's output. And to be fair to the Beeb for all their many faults they do excel at this. But under their charter certainly mainstream programs like MOTD cannot be shown as it did on Saturday. Ok... we all got to cut the Beeb a little slack as they were caught out. So did the best they could. But - yes - the technical and legal ramifications are quite problematic when coupled with the issues you raise in your point. All we can do is see what happens!" GL isn't the most important issue of the day.....as my grandmother used to say, "Today's headlines are tomorrow's fish and chip wrappings"...... | |||
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"I have no idea what he said or did... but it seems to be popping up in the forums a lot lately so I guess it's "big news" at the moment I'm sure I'd find it all quite exasperating." He compared Government policy to the Nazis in WW2. You can disagree with Government policy as much as you want, but they aren't taking boat people on a train to Belsen for a shower. Fairly certain anyone whose family survived the Holocaust will be horrified that their experience was compared this way. This is not a freedom of speech issue, bad Government policy needs to be called out, but he used absolutely the wrong example. | |||
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"I have no idea what he said or did... but it seems to be popping up in the forums a lot lately so I guess it's "big news" at the moment I'm sure I'd find it all quite exasperating. He compared Government policy to the Nazis in WW2. You can disagree with Government policy as much as you want, but they aren't taking boat people on a train to Belsen for a shower. Fairly certain anyone whose family survived the Holocaust will be horrified that their experience was compared this way. This is not a freedom of speech issue, bad Government policy needs to be called out, but he used absolutely the wrong example. " Incorrect....he never mentioned either WW2 or Nazis | |||
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"I have no idea what he said or did... but it seems to be popping up in the forums a lot lately so I guess it's "big news" at the moment I'm sure I'd find it all quite exasperating. He compared Government policy to the Nazis in WW2. You can disagree with Government policy as much as you want, but they aren't taking boat people on a train to Belsen for a shower. Fairly certain anyone whose family survived the Holocaust will be horrified that their experience was compared this way. This is not a freedom of speech issue, bad Government policy needs to be called out, but he used absolutely the wrong example. Incorrect....he never mentioned either WW2 or Nazis" German in 1930s, the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party. Its not difficult. | |||
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"I have no idea what he said or did... but it seems to be popping up in the forums a lot lately so I guess it's "big news" at the moment I'm sure I'd find it all quite exasperating. He compared Government policy to the Nazis in WW2. You can disagree with Government policy as much as you want, but they aren't taking boat people on a train to Belsen for a shower. Fairly certain anyone whose family survived the Holocaust will be horrified that their experience was compared this way. This is not a freedom of speech issue, bad Government policy needs to be called out, but he used absolutely the wrong example. Incorrect....he never mentioned either WW2 or Nazis German in 1930s, the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party. Its not difficult." It's also "not difficult" to actually read what Linekar said......He was clearly making reference to the stirring up of public hostility towards certain groups in 1930's Germany | |||
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"I have no idea what he said or did... but it seems to be popping up in the forums a lot lately so I guess it's "big news" at the moment I'm sure I'd find it all quite exasperating. He compared Government policy to the Nazis in WW2. You can disagree with Government policy as much as you want, but they aren't taking boat people on a train to Belsen for a shower. Fairly certain anyone whose family survived the Holocaust will be horrified that their experience was compared this way. This is not a freedom of speech issue, bad Government policy needs to be called out, but he used absolutely the wrong example. Incorrect....he never mentioned either WW2 or Nazis German in 1930s, the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party. Its not difficult. It's also "not difficult" to actually read what Linekar said......He was clearly making reference to the stirring up of public hostility towards certain groups in 1930's Germany" Which led to.... | |||
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"I have no idea what he said or did... but it seems to be popping up in the forums a lot lately so I guess it's "big news" at the moment I'm sure I'd find it all quite exasperating. He compared Government policy to the Nazis in WW2. You can disagree with Government policy as much as you want, but they aren't taking boat people on a train to Belsen for a shower. Fairly certain anyone whose family survived the Holocaust will be horrified that their experience was compared this way. This is not a freedom of speech issue, bad Government policy needs to be called out, but he used absolutely the wrong example. Incorrect....he never mentioned either WW2 or Nazis German in 1930s, the rise of Hitler and the Nazi party. Its not difficult. It's also "not difficult" to actually read what Linekar said......He was clearly making reference to the stirring up of public hostility towards certain groups in 1930's Germany Which led to...." "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" Which is not inaccurate, the wording was very similar to wording used in 1930s Germany. Yes he was referring to Hitler etc but that does not make him wrong in what he said. Again the wording used would fit right at home in 1930s Germany. | |||
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"You do know how many Lineker threads there are don't you - why not just tag onto one of them....... "I’m sorry Victoria Sadly I have family and friends who I need to spend time with This takes me away from spending my life on the forums so don’t see these threads Apologies | |||
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"Am I only the only one thinks the media care more about this than anyone else? Yes that's what we need, another thread about it all "As I said to another who said similar and another forum ‘regular’ I’m sorry for not living my every moment in the forums as I do things like, sports, seeing my kids and grandson Social behaviour I’m so sorry | |||
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"Am I only the only one thinks the media care more about this than anyone else?" Care about what? Seriously - What do you think people are actually discussing or twisting their knickers about? Do you think it's about football, Gary Linekar, Immigration , Government or something far more reaching and of greater conseequence toward understanding mans in humanity to man ? | |||
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"Am I only the only one thinks the media care more about this than anyone else? Care about what? Seriously - What do you think people are actually discussing or twisting their knickers about? Do you think it's about football, Gary Linekar, Immigration , Government or something far more reaching and of greater conseequence toward understanding mans in humanity to man ?" From what I have observed, the discussion has centred around Lineaker , his colleagues and the BBC, it has overshadowed completely the original issue. | |||
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"Viewing figures were much higher without him & his mates, so why not sack e'm all & save the licence payer some money" they were high because everyone likes to watch a car crash.. people wanted to see what they were going to do..not because they enjoyed it | |||
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"Am I only the only one thinks the media care more about this than anyone else? Care about what? Seriously - What do you think people are actually discussing or twisting their knickers about? Do you think it's about football, Gary Linekar, Immigration , Government or something far more reaching and of greater conseequence toward understanding mans in humanity to man ?" It's about football. The boat thing is long forgotten. | |||
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"Any public controversy is brilliant to keep people distracted from the real issues that matter and affect our daily livelihoods. Anything to not focus on the shit show the UK has turned into
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"Am I only the only one thinks the media care more about this than anyone else? Care about what? Seriously - What do you think people are actually discussing or twisting their knickers about? Do you think it's about football, Gary Linekar, Immigration , Government or something far more reaching and of greater conseequence toward understanding mans in humanity to man ? From what I have observed, the discussion has centred around Lineaker , his colleagues and the BBC, it has overshadowed completely the original issue. " It'll have been worth it if we ever see his name spelt the same twice  | |||
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"I'm not a fan but i think he has a right to his views. As usual though it's all blown out of proprtion. Most of the probably wouldn't have even seen the comment if such a shit storm hadn't been made out of it." The problem isn't what he said, or the BBCs reaction, it's the entitlement of people that think freedom of speech comes with no consequences. His employer thought his comments brought them into disrepute. The content is no longer relevant, or political leanings. | |||
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"Linekar: 1 BBC: 0 Definitely just a distraction though. What about the chairman sorting ol’Borris out with £800k or the way the BBC has is quite happy to slag off Tate with absolutely no evidence... are those examples of impartiality? Good bit of gossip to keep the plebs happy though." Whatabout everything | |||
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"I can do his job. Just shout and yell into the Mike- What a goaaall. Keeper hadn't a chance... And he's smashed it into the back of the net.. Etc and so forth.. Easy peasy " I'm curious - you could also explain and discuss the tactical nuances, formation changes and mistakes as well with other ex-players who've performed at the highest levels? Because he doesn't commentate... | |||
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"I can do his job. Just shout and yell into the Mike- What a goaaall. Keeper hadn't a chance... And he's smashed it into the back of the net.. Etc and so forth.. Easy peasy I'm curious - you could also explain and discuss the tactical nuances, formation changes and mistakes as well with other ex-players who've performed at the highest levels? Because he doesn't commentate..." Oranges at half time, sick as a parrot, over the moon, 442, diamond midfield....easy | |||
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"It's to divert your attention away from Rushi Sunaks giant heated swimming pool he treated himdelf to for becoming the second non elected pime minister. Just like everything else in polotics and the media, make the people ask the wrong question, slight of hand." A point, you or I don't elect a prime minister. The public vote for whichever party they choose and it's the Conservative party that elects a leader of the party. You or I, unless you're a party member don't have a choice of who is leader and that applies to all parties. So, who was the first 'non elected' prime minister or perhaps you mean Gordon Brown. Incidentally it's Rishi Sunak and why can't he have a giant heated swimming pool. He is a multi millionaire and so is his wife. This has absolutely nothing to do with Gary Lineker and the BBC. | |||
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"I can do his job. Just shout and yell into the Mike- What a goaaall. Keeper hadn't a chance... And he's smashed it into the back of the net.. Etc and so forth.. Easy peasy I'm curious - you could also explain and discuss the tactical nuances, formation changes and mistakes as well with other ex-players who've performed at the highest levels? Because he doesn't commentate... Oranges at half time, sick as a parrot, over the moon, 442, diamond midfield....easy " | |||
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