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Although then I might have to pretend that I have an opinion on a random person's opinion and job. Seems safer to hide under the duvet again. | |||
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"I'm starting to think I should actually have a look at what's going on in the world... I have no clue what happened
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"The BBC is a publicly owned business who have to remain impartial to political stories, im sure when Lineker signed his contract it would have said you can't comment on politics, the BBC have to try and show balance, some will agree with Lineker,as I do but some won't Its a sticky mess" Oh OK, so how come Alan Sugar wasn't taken off air for his political views then? Maybe Gary Linekar's views did not fit with the Governments narrative. What a dangerous pre_edent to set if so.... And the BBC can hardly call itself the epitome of fairness and objectivity now can it after what was brought to light following operation Yewtree... Good on Lineker I say.... | |||
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"The BBC is a publicly owned business who have to remain impartial to political stories, im sure when Lineker signed his contract it would have said you can't comment on politics, the BBC have to try and show balance, some will agree with Lineker,as I do but some won't Its a sticky mess" Gary is freelance so his personal opinions aren't governed by the BBC, I for one am glad that his morels outweigh his work role. As for the BBC they have covered up and done far worse then a few words against the government on twitter. | |||
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"I support gary, he didnt do anything wrong, this is the cancel culture that jordan peterson is talking about." Cancel culture which woke liberals were more than happy to wield against anyone they deemed old fashioned, conservative, outdated, or simply unacceptable with modern sensibilities. | |||
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"I support gary, he didnt do anything wrong, this is the cancel culture that jordan peterson is talking about." Exactly and in taking that stance people are defending much more than GL and his right to air his views it's about taking the stance against cancel culture to protect freedom of speech in what should be a democratic society to uphold British Values.....The Tory Party have well and truly fucked this country up and this I hope is another step towards reclamation.... | |||
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"I support gary, he didnt do anything wrong, this is the cancel culture that jordan peterson is talking about. Exactly and in taking that stance people are defending much more than GL and his right to air his views it's about taking the stance against cancel culture to protect freedom of speech in what should be a democratic society to uphold British Values.....The Tory Party have well and truly fucked this country up and this I hope is another step towards reclamation.... " Yes, they are defending it by taking a stand, like his motd colleagues is showing support as well, it is also showing that they also think it is wrong what the bbc have done. | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now." BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made | |||
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"I do t back or care about either… " Me neither really. I know a bit about it but not the ins and outs. If it’s in his contract that he has to be impartial (on social media etc) then he’s in the wrong. Although it shouldn’t be in any contract in the first place, people should be able to voice their opinions (as long as they’re legal) without backlash. | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made" Well if that’s the case he’s in the wrong then. | |||
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"I'm starting to think I should actually have a look at what's going on in the world... I have no clue what happened
Although then I might have to pretend that I have an opinion on a random person's opinion and job. Seems safer to hide under the duvet again."Don’t. You’ll just scare yourself… | |||
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"The BBC Chairman helping arrange a loan for Boris, Kuessenburg who has links to the Conservatives as head of news and showing Corbyn mocked up in a Soviet style backgroud on Newsnight before the General Election is political bias. The fucking moaning gormless cunts who harp on about people being cancelled because of what they say, are now calling for Lineker to be cancelled because of what he said Fact the Tories actions are mirroring those of thr Nazis in 30's Germany. Dont let the Daily Fail tell you otherwise; the supported fascism and campaigned to send Jewish refugees back to Germany (and many did get sent back and onto the death camps)" The fact they are getting people of colour ( one married to a jew)to front they're racist language and policies is the greatest Con of all. Maybe its what the Con in Conservative stands for. | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made" But the Chairman being involved in a loan for the PM and Kuessenburg having links to the Tory party is ok. Cancelled my TV licence, which I never thought I would do | |||
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"The BBC Chairman helping arrange a loan for Boris, Kuessenburg who has links to the Conservatives as head of news and showing Corbyn mocked up in a Soviet style backgroud on Newsnight before the General Election is political bias. The fucking moaning gormless cunts who harp on about people being cancelled because of what they say, are now calling for Lineker to be cancelled because of what he said Fact the Tories actions are mirroring those of thr Nazis in 30's Germany. Dont let the Daily Fail tell you otherwise; the supported fascism and campaigned to send Jewish refugees back to Germany (and many did get sent back and onto the death camps) The fact they are getting people of colour ( one married to a jew)to front they're racist language and policies is the greatest Con of all. Maybe its what the Con in Conservative stands for." Did I mention race, I would also say the state of Isreal is a fascist state | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made But the Chairman being involved in a loan for the PM and Kuessenburg having links to the Tory party is ok. Cancelled my TV licence, which I never thought I would do " I bet that's worried them | |||
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"GL does not need the BBC, The BBC needs GL. Which is why they have asked him to stop or to try and control what he writes on social media, and GL has said f43k off. Rightly so imo." Nobody needs gary lineker. Yesterdays news. He was good at timea very good but like su barker all come to the endof the road. Next. Then he can be as political as he clearly wants to be with no strings attached | |||
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"The BBC Chairman helping arrange a loan for Boris, Kuessenburg who has links to the Conservatives as head of news and showing Corbyn mocked up in a Soviet style backgroud on Newsnight before the General Election is political bias. The fucking moaning gormless cunts who harp on about people being cancelled because of what they say, are now calling for Lineker to be cancelled because of what he said Fact the Tories actions are mirroring those of thr Nazis in 30's Germany. Dont let the Daily Fail tell you otherwise; the supported fascism and campaigned to send Jewish refugees back to Germany (and many did get sent back and onto the death camps) The fact they are getting people of colour ( one married to a jew)to front they're racist language and policies is the greatest Con of all. Maybe its what the Con in Conservative stands for." I actually saw this coming from a long way away when leftwing politics started banging on about identity politics based round race and minority identities. By making everything political become an issue of tribal identity loyalty and right-think, they've boxed themselves in and ironically opened the door for their political opponents to look good with tokenist "diversity representation" in politics that has no relevance to the actual political ideologies being espoused. Because surprise surprise. People aren't saints or assholes simply by the basis of their skin colour or genitals. It's not who you are that matters. It's what you say and do that does. And this is something forgotten by many who are on the left of the Tories. | |||
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"There's also (as of yesterday, I think) the matter of David Attenborough's new TV 5-part programme. It might well be his final one, and it looks at the state of the UK from an environmental perspective. Well, it was originally a 6-part show, but one episode has been quietly dropped, as it examined damage cause by modern farming procedures, with balance through examining what they are doing which helps the environment. The BBC says that there never was a sixth episode, but the producer of the series says otherwise. At the heart of the matter was criticism which would have angered the right-end of the political spectrum, and that as Attenborough's shows are popular in the United States, any criticism of beef-farming would come back on the BBC. This hasn't blown up the way the pundit saga has, but the Beeb are just choosing to deny this ever existed." And if that is they case they need to be held to account. Though the days of the bbc being an unbiassed reporting and news asset are a very long way behind us. | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made" I've just had a look at their social media use guidelines. They're not clear to me and could be interpreted either way. | |||
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"The BBC Chairman helping arrange a loan for Boris, Kuessenburg who has links to the Conservatives as head of news and showing Corbyn mocked up in a Soviet style backgroud on Newsnight before the General Election is political bias. The fucking moaning gormless cunts who harp on about people being cancelled because of what they say, are now calling for Lineker to be cancelled because of what he said Fact the Tories actions are mirroring those of thr Nazis in 30's Germany. Dont let the Daily Fail tell you otherwise; the supported fascism and campaigned to send Jewish refugees back to Germany (and many did get sent back and onto the death camps) The fact they are getting people of colour ( one married to a jew)to front they're racist language and policies is the greatest Con of all. Maybe its what the Con in Conservative stands for. I actually saw this coming from a long way away when leftwing politics started banging on about identity politics based round race and minority identities. By making everything political become an issue of tribal identity loyalty and right-think, they've boxed themselves in and ironically opened the door for their political opponents to look good with tokenist "diversity representation" in politics that has no relevance to the actual political ideologies being espoused. Because surprise surprise. People aren't saints or assholes simply by the basis of their skin colour or genitals. It's not who you are that matters. It's what you say and do that does. And this is something forgotten by many who are on the left of the Tories. " Don't worry, the Bravermans and Priti Patel will soon be put back in their box and reminded who they are once their use is over. | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made I've just had a look at their social media use guidelines. They're not clear to me and could be interpreted either way." Its a feature not a bug. Personally I wouldn't want to work for an employer who tried to contol by contract how I use social media in my own private time expressing my own private opinions. Gary should never have took on that BBC job to begin with. I doubt he didn't know the nature of the job or organisation he was getting into bed with. | |||
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"The BBC Chairman helping arrange a loan for Boris, Kuessenburg who has links to the Conservatives as head of news and showing Corbyn mocked up in a Soviet style backgroud on Newsnight before the General Election is political bias. The fucking moaning gormless cunts who harp on about people being cancelled because of what they say, are now calling for Lineker to be cancelled because of what he said Fact the Tories actions are mirroring those of thr Nazis in 30's Germany. Dont let the Daily Fail tell you otherwise; the supported fascism and campaigned to send Jewish refugees back to Germany (and many did get sent back and onto the death camps) The fact they are getting people of colour ( one married to a jew)to front they're racist language and policies is the greatest Con of all. Maybe its what the Con in Conservative stands for. I actually saw this coming from a long way away when leftwing politics started banging on about identity politics based round race and minority identities. By making everything political become an issue of tribal identity loyalty and right-think, they've boxed themselves in and ironically opened the door for their political opponents to look good with tokenist "diversity representation" in politics that has no relevance to the actual political ideologies being espoused. Because surprise surprise. People aren't saints or assholes simply by the basis of their skin colour or genitals. It's not who you are that matters. It's what you say and do that does. And this is something forgotten by many who are on the left of the Tories. Don't worry, the Bravermans and Priti Patel will soon be put back in their box and reminded who they are once their use is over." Not sure this will happen. Their identities to the Tories is way beyond their race. It's what they believe in and their wealth that counts. | |||
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"The BBC is a publicly owned business who have to remain impartial to political stories, im sure when Lineker signed his contract it would have said you can't comment on politics, the BBC have to try and show balance, some will agree with Lineker,as I do but some won't Its a sticky mess" Do you think that the BBC are truly impartial? It often appears as though they have a government positive position on most things | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made I've just had a look at their social media use guidelines. They're not clear to me and could be interpreted either way. Its a feature not a bug. Personally I wouldn't want to work for an employer who tried to contol by contract how I use social media in my own private time expressing my own private opinions. Gary should never have took on that BBC job to begin with. I doubt he didn't know the nature of the job or organisation he was getting into bed with." Most football clubs have similar for their players dont they? | |||
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"The BBC Chairman helping arrange a loan for Boris, Kuessenburg who has links to the Conservatives as head of news and showing Corbyn mocked up in a Soviet style backgroud on Newsnight before the General Election is political bias. The fucking moaning gormless cunts who harp on about people being cancelled because of what they say, are now calling for Lineker to be cancelled because of what he said Fact the Tories actions are mirroring those of thr Nazis in 30's Germany. Dont let the Daily Fail tell you otherwise; the supported fascism and campaigned to send Jewish refugees back to Germany (and many did get sent back and onto the death camps) The fact they are getting people of colour ( one married to a jew)to front they're racist language and policies is the greatest Con of all. Maybe its what the Con in Conservative stands for. I actually saw this coming from a long way away when leftwing politics started banging on about identity politics based round race and minority identities. By making everything political become an issue of tribal identity loyalty and right-think, they've boxed themselves in and ironically opened the door for their political opponents to look good with tokenist "diversity representation" in politics that has no relevance to the actual political ideologies being espoused. Because surprise surprise. People aren't saints or assholes simply by the basis of their skin colour or genitals. It's not who you are that matters. It's what you say and do that does. And this is something forgotten by many who are on the left of the Tories. Don't worry, the Bravermans and Priti Patel will soon be put back in their box and reminded who they are once their use is over." ? Dont understand. Put back in what box? What is their box.? | |||
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"Many organisations have clauses in their employment contracts which state the employee is prohibited from bringing their employers into disrepute, whether it's done whilst at work or in their "off-duty" hours. Standard stuff." So not just gary linekers bbc contract then? | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made I've just had a look at their social media use guidelines. They're not clear to me and could be interpreted either way. Its a feature not a bug. Personally I wouldn't want to work for an employer who tried to contol by contract how I use social media in my own private time expressing my own private opinions. Gary should never have took on that BBC job to begin with. I doubt he didn't know the nature of the job or organisation he was getting into bed with." Depending on your line of work and secrets involved, not everyone has a choice, I'm limited in what I can share on socials until the great reveal, not everything is about politics, sometimes just a new product, style, colour ect | |||
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"The BBC is a publicly owned business who have to remain impartial to political stories, im sure when Lineker signed his contract it would have said you can't comment on politics, the BBC have to try and show balance, some will agree with Lineker,as I do but some won't Its a sticky mess" The BBC stopped being impartial quite a few years ago, they're just not hiding the fact anymore. | |||
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"Many organisations have clauses in their employment contracts which state the employee is prohibited from bringing their employers into disrepute, whether it's done whilst at work or in their "off-duty" hours. Standard stuff." Yes and rightly so, I have one in my contract however whilst nobody disputes that the issue runs deeper.....You can't impose those policies if you yourself are open to corruption, double standards and the inability to remain impartial. The BBC are a joke right now | |||
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"He made no political comment on air. If his contract in any way enabled it he would have been sacked by now. BBC rules on impartality also extend to social media - which is why this decision has been made" It extends to social media only for those people in the news and current affairs departments…. | |||
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"I’m sorry but the BBC is as corrupt as anything! How dare GL voice his opinion! What ever happened to free speech and all that? Left home at 21, now I’m 36 and have never paid a penny to the corrupt corporation. They you get monkey boy handing 500m to the french to control the boats coming over. Might as well said here’s 500m for nothing, as they won’t do jack. Sorry but this county’s fucked beyond all help. I " The BBC is a multi-billion pound organisation. Of course they're corrupt! The first thing they would have thought regarding Lineker is "how much money will we lose, in comparison to his actual worth?" As always, money talks. | |||
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"There's also (as of yesterday, I think) the matter of David Attenborough's new TV 5-part programme. It might well be his final one, and it looks at the state of the UK from an environmental perspective. Well, it was originally a 6-part show, but one episode has been quietly dropped, as it examined damage cause by modern farming procedures, with balance through examining what they are doing which helps the environment. The BBC says that there never was a sixth episode, but the producer of the series says otherwise. At the heart of the matter was criticism which would have angered the right-end of the political spectrum, and that as Attenborough's shows are popular in the United States, any criticism of beef-farming would come back on the BBC. This hasn't blown up the way the pundit saga has, but the Beeb are just choosing to deny this ever existed." Interesting, thank you. | |||
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"Many organisations have clauses in their employment contracts which state the employee is prohibited from bringing their employers into disrepute, whether it's done whilst at work or in their "off-duty" hours. Standard stuff. Yes and rightly so, I have one in my contract however whilst nobody disputes that the issue runs deeper.....You can't impose those policies if you yourself are open to corruption, double standards and the inability to remain impartial. The BBC are a joke right now" Who says he brought them into disrepute… because the comparison he made about language and how it has been used has got a lot of people thinking “hmmmm … he is not wrong “ It was only because certain mps and the government complained that they baulked! | |||
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"Disappointed. This thread wasn’t the content I was expecting lol "What were you expecting? | |||
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"I am all for Lineker having his own opinions. I do however wonder how many people who are supporting him would support him and say presenters should be free to have their opinions if he had said the complete opposite? I feel if you can’t _genuinely_ say you would stand up and support him in having opinions in that scenario then it does point to the fact that you are supporting his politics and not his right to speak and thus reinforces the BBCs need to be impartial." We are supporting what he said, to ask if we'd support what he hasn't said isn't even a point to discuss. No one has said we'd back him without hearing what he's said | |||
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"I am all for Lineker having his own opinions. I do however wonder how many people who are supporting him would support him and say presenters should be free to have their opinions if he had said the complete opposite? I feel if you can’t _genuinely_ say you would stand up and support him in having opinions in that scenario then it does point to the fact that you are supporting his politics and not his right to speak and thus reinforces the BBCs need to be impartial. We are supporting what he said, to ask if we'd support what he hasn't said isn't even a point to discuss. No one has said we'd back him without hearing what he's said " It is _exactly_ the point about impartiality. That is what the argument is about. | |||
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"Many organisations have clauses in their employment contracts which state the employee is prohibited from bringing their employers into disrepute, whether it's done whilst at work or in their "off-duty" hours. Standard stuff. Yes and rightly so, I have one in my contract however whilst nobody disputes that the issue runs deeper.....You can't impose those policies if you yourself are open to corruption, double standards and the inability to remain impartial. The BBC are a joke right now Who says he brought them into disrepute… because the comparison he made about language and how it has been used has got a lot of people thinking “hmmmm … he is not wrong “ It was only because certain mps and the government complained that they baulked!" I never used the word 'disrepute' just agreeing that yes, some places do have these clauses written in their contracts.... | |||
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"The bbc are not impartial !" They most certainly are not. | |||
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"Some presenter pointed out that Lineker was free to raise questions about Qatar's human rights record, with the blessing of the BBC. Never quite got this impartiality thing. We're a political animal. Everything's political. And laws stray into every part of life. How can any person or organisation not be political, unless that simply means being as middle of the road as possible, and if straying from there, agreeing with the Government?" Maybe he can host question time and do politics until he is quenched? Or better still even... Stand at the hustings if he feels he can make a positive change. | |||
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"Some presenter pointed out that Lineker was free to raise questions about Qatar's human rights record, with the blessing of the BBC. Never quite got this impartiality thing. We're a political animal. Everything's political. And laws stray into every part of life. How can any person or organisation not be political, unless that simply means being as middle of the road as possible, and if straying from there, agreeing with the Government? Maybe he can host question time and do politics until he is quenched? Or better still even... Stand at the hustings if he feels he can make a positive change. " Given he's a football commentator, that seems a silly suggestion | |||
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"I love the BBC but it should generally support free speech and impartiality of its political staff and programmes. Its staff, excepting political news staff, should be free to speak their minds, as democracy and law permits. The government should not pressure the BBC to represent its viewpoints and should welcome open democratic discourse. " Agree with that. Trouble is... Who is to judge what is impartial and what boundaries are set and by whom.? How are they to be enforced and policed and consequenced.? Equally programs are brands... You dont want children's programmes starting debating immigration policy or nhs... Nor sports... However we do want it in current affairs Russia world cup as an example. Nothing pretty much said. Qatar... All hell broke loose because being gay is illegal there (and yet...). Now something relatively innocuous has triggered this... | |||
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"Some presenter pointed out that Lineker was free to raise questions about Qatar's human rights record, with the blessing of the BBC. Never quite got this impartiality thing. We're a political animal. Everything's political. And laws stray into every part of life. How can any person or organisation not be political, unless that simply means being as middle of the road as possible, and if straying from there, agreeing with the Government? Maybe he can host question time and do politics until he is quenched? Or better still even... Stand at the hustings if he feels he can make a positive change. Given he's a football commentator, that seems a silly suggestion " Indeed. The irony. | |||
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"The BBC is a publicly owned business who have to remain impartial to political stories, im sure when Lineker signed his contract it would have said you can't comment on politics, the BBC have to try and show balance, some will agree with Lineker,as I do but some won't....... bbc imparial?? Head of bbc supports tories. One high ranking bbc employee has a right wing fanzine and another agreed a £800,000 loan to boris....show their impartialality Its a sticky mess" | |||
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