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"Never done anything for me I'm afraid. Whenever I've seen her she just looks out of shape." well she do love her food. x Just was shocked at the change as not seen older shows for a time. | |||
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"Never done anything for me I'm afraid. Whenever I've seen her she just looks out of shape." I get where your comeing from shes the only fat lass that's done owt for me  | |||
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"Never done anything for me I'm afraid. Whenever I've seen her she just looks out of shape." Eating way to much of her own produce. | |||
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" Looking at Nigella Bites on sky made some years ago ... I cant get over how much she has changed .. Her teeth her face and body.. and the younger Nigella is not half as sexy as older one. "I agree. Saw it too. She looks much naughtier in her recent shows.  | |||
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"Eating way to much of her own produce. "Not that really, just looks like she doesn't do much in the way of physical activity. I guess on some level it suggests she wouldn't be up to much in the bedroom maybe? | |||
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"she's in my verifies...somewhere...well she was..until I slagged off her soggy pie" that she made me...her 'pie' is delicious | |||
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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtS2Ikk7A9I Enjoy, Nigella fans " | |||
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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtS2Ikk7A9I Enjoy, Nigella fans "nice one, bring on the cramp | |||
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"Never done anything for me I'm afraid. Whenever I've seen her she just looks out of shape.I get where your comeing from shes the only fat lass that's done owt for me "Well there's a measure of modern opinion on woman's body shape if Nigella is considered fat! P .... Lease!  | |||
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"Never done anything for me I'm afraid. Whenever I've seen her she just looks out of shape.I get where your comeing from shes the only fat lass that's done owt for me
Well there's a measure of modern opinion on woman's body shape if Nigella is considered fat! P .... Lease! "Indeed. In fact she has recently lost some weight - looks gorgeous either way. Jealous me | |||
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"Well there's a measure of modern opinion on woman's body shape if Nigella is considered fat! P .... Lease! "To be fair she's been around for a while, like most people her weight has fluctuated over the years. There have certainly been times when she was properly overweight. | |||
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"Can't stand here then, can't stand her now.  "
Nice enough looking woman but not a great TV cook. | |||
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"Well there's a measure of modern opinion on woman's body shape if Nigella is considered fat! P .... Lease!
To be fair she's been around for a while, like most people her weight has fluctuated over the years. There have certainly been times when she was properly overweight."I guess that depends on who is asking the question. What I mean is this.... if her BMI is in excess of say 30... yes she is and doctors would advise her to loose weight. Most blokes (and gals ) would still find her sexy though. Just depends on who is asking the question, I guess? | |||
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"Can't stand here then, can't stand her now.
Nice enough looking woman but not a great TV cook. "I became aware of her not so much for her recipes but for her being married to a journalist (cannot remember his name atm) who later died of throat cancer. | |||
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"Eating way to much of her own produce.
Not that really, just looks like she doesn't do much in the way of physical activity. I guess on some level it suggests she wouldn't be up to much in the bedroom maybe?"Based on what?  | |||
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"I guess that depends on who is asking the question. What I mean is this.... if her BMI is in excess of say 30... yes she is and doctors would advise her to loose weight. Most blokes (and gals ) would still find her sexy though. Just depends on who is asking the question, I guess? "Well, BMI is obviously only a very rough guide (a while back I had a BMI of 29 but had a half decent six pack) but I'd be surprised if a majority of guys thought your average obese (ie, 30+) woman was sexy. I've not exactly asked them though so that's obviously guesswork. Who knows? | |||
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" Based on what? "No need for high horses,, it was just a suggestion. Seems intuitive that someone who's out of shape is more likely to struggle with physical exertion, doesn't it? | |||
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"Can't stand here then, can't stand her now.
Nice enough looking woman but not a great TV cook. I became aware of her not so much for her recipes but for her being married to a journalist (cannot remember his name atm) who later died of throat cancer. "Charles Saachi | |||
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"Never done anything for me I'm afraid. Whenever I've seen her she just looks out of shape.I get where your comeing from shes the only fat lass that's done owt for me "cos she doesnt look like a stylized porn star? I laugh(particularly at men) (especially on here)who come out with the pish about how 'out of shape' some women are... if she (Nigela)offered a bj/shag..most would take it.. | |||
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"I laugh(particularly at men) (especially on here)who come out with the pish about how 'out of shape' some women are... if she (Nigela)offered a bj/shag..most would take it.." What's your point? It's entirely possible to accept a bj/shag from someone who's out of shape, or at least looks it. Just calling something pish doesn't make it not true. | |||
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"I laugh(particularly at men) (especially on here)who come out with the pish about how 'out of shape' some women are... if she (Nigela)offered a bj/shag..most would take it.. What's your point? It's entirely possible to accept a bj/shag from someone who's out of shape, or at least looks it. Just calling something pish doesn't make it not true." Because men go on about women being out of shape when they're not 'in shape' themselves. Seems 'out of shape' guys think it's ok but expect women to be magazine perfect. Also think that women of aytypical / individual body shapes should be somehow grateful of any attention NOT  | |||
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"Can't stand here then, can't stand her now.
Nice enough looking woman but not a great TV cook. I became aware of her not so much for her recipes but for her being married to a journalist (cannot remember his name atm) who later died of throat cancer.
Charles Saachi"It was John Diamond, she's with Charles Saatchi now.. | |||
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"Can't stand here then, can't stand her now.
Nice enough looking woman but not a great TV cook. I became aware of her not so much for her recipes but for her being married to a journalist (cannot remember his name atm) who later died of throat cancer.
Charles Saachi
It was John Diamond, she's with Charles Saatchi now.."You're right, I was sure I was wrong once I had written it.  | |||
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"Because men go on about women being out of shape when they're not 'in shape' themselves. Seems 'out of shape' guys think it's ok but expect women to be magazine perfect. Also think that women of aytypical / individual body shapes should be somehow grateful of any attention NOT "Umm, no, observing that someone is out of shape doesn't mean you *expect* otherwise. It's completely ok for her to be out of shape, her business. No reason she should care what I think any more than I'd care if she observed that I was out of shape (I am, as it happens). What's the problem? Saying someone is out of shape isn't a moral judgement, it doesn't mean she's dusgusting and should be ashamed of herself. It is just what it is - an observation. | |||
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" Based on what?
No need for high horses,, it was just a suggestion. Seems intuitive that someone who's out of shape is more likely to struggle with physical exertion, doesn't it?"Well I guess if you need someone to swing from the rafters in order to please you sexually you will be right .....there's more to fabulous sex than goin on like a dafty lol :P | |||
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"Well I guess if you need someone to swing from the rafters in order to please you sexually you will be right .....there's more to fabulous sex than goin on like a dafty lol :P" No you're misunderstanding me. I mean on some animal, kind of subconscious level - like women with wide hips and big boobs are attractive because they're ideal for childbearing. It's not a conscious thought, but it may well be an underlying reason. | |||
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"Well I guess if you need someone to swing from the rafters in order to please you sexually you will be right .....there's more to fabulous sex than goin on like a dafty lol :P No you're misunderstanding me. I mean on some animal, kind of subconscious level - like women with wide hips and big boobs are attractive because they're ideal for childbearing. It's not a conscious thought, but it may well be an underlying reason." What lol .... you implied because You think she is inactive then You think she wont be very good in bed...all i asked was based on what....a lazy lover is a lazy lover, ft/thin/active/inactive...yes? | |||
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"What lol .... you implied because You think she is inactive then You think she wont be very good in bed...all i asked was based on what....a lazy lover is a lazy lover, ft/thin/active/inactive...yes? "No, I didn't. Like I said, on some subconscious level it might 'suggest' that, it has nothing to do with actual conscious thoughts. Like in the example I gave - or do you think that men consciously regard women with small hips and boobs as bad mothers? | |||
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"What lol .... you implied because You think she is inactive then You think she wont be very good in bed...all i asked was based on what....a lazy lover is a lazy lover, ft/thin/active/inactive...yes?
No, I didn't. Like I said, on some subconscious level it might 'suggest' that, it has nothing to do with actual conscious thoughts. Like in the example I gave - or do you think that men consciously regard women with small hips and boobs as bad mothers?"No...you said "Not that really, just looks like she doesn't do much in the way of physical activity. I guess on some level it suggests she wouldn't be up to much in the bedroom maybe?" What that has to do with child bearing hips Im not sure  | |||
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" No...you said "Not that really, just looks like she doesn't do much in the way of physical activity. I guess on some level it suggests she wouldn't be up to much in the bedroom maybe?" What that has to do with child bearing hips Im not sure "I'm sorry but I don't know how I can make this any clearer. If you're not getting it from what I've said I can't help. | |||
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" No...you said "Not that really, just looks like she doesn't do much in the way of physical activity. I guess on some level it suggests she wouldn't be up to much in the bedroom maybe?" What that has to do with child bearing hips Im not sure
I'm sorry but I don't know how I can make this any clearer. If you're not getting it from what I've said I can't help."That will be my childbearing hips getting in the way lolol .....I understood perfectly what you said....then you changed tack  | |||
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"That will be my childbearing hips getting in the way lolol .....I understood perfectly what you said....then you changed tack "Well sure, if it helps you sleep at night. Think what you like. | |||
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"Well I guess if you need someone to swing from the rafters in order to please you sexually you will be right .....there's more to fabulous sex than goin on like a dafty lol :P No you're misunderstanding me. I mean on some animal, kind of subconscious level - like women with wide hips and big boobs are attractive because they're ideal for childbearing. It's not a conscious thought, but it may well be an underlying reason." I think I understand where you are coming from here. | |||
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"she is my dream woman!" I see her daily, Nigella-fridge magnet. | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. " Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? " What do you think? | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? " I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. | |||
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"Well she is richer than many of us will ever be...she is a real woman with a bit of meat on her bones...." True...lol! | |||
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"Well she is richer than many of us will ever be...she is a real woman with a bit of meat on her bones...." She may well be but she tries too hard. As for the meat well she doesn't have that much on her. | |||
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"Well she is richer than many of us will ever be...she is a real woman with a bit of meat on her bones...." Now thats a bugger as that implies women who havent got meat on their bones arent real women, you dont wanna open up that can of worms again! lol | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. " shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would" Ah ok I was not aware of that and tbh it would not put me off liking her. A facelift? So what... loads of ladies have it these days if they feel they need it and can afford it...Not a big deal really anymore. | |||
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"Well she is richer than many of us will ever be...she is a real woman with a bit of meat on her bones....Now thats a bugger as that implies women who havent got meat on their bones arent real women, you dont wanna open up that can of worms again! lol "Oh god no..... | |||
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"Well she is richer than many of us will ever be...she is a real woman with a bit of meat on her bones.... She may well be but she tries too hard. As for the meat well she doesn't have that much on her. "She has lost a lot of weight good for her | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would" I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. | |||
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" She has lost a lot of weight good for her" I think she looks good either way as her proportions remain feminine. | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. " It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women. | |||
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" It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women." It is different depending on the individual. Some people want it and can afford it and good for them. | |||
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" It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women.It is different depending on the individual. Some people want it and can afford it and good for them. "Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance. | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. " depends how far you go, the trick is knowing when to stop If i had the money id have my eyes done but i wouldnt go OTT and start having my nose, lips etc dont because im ok with those, some people just have things done for the sake of it, id just like to have my wrinkles removed And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore I suppose its a perssonal choice | |||
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" It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women.It is different depending on the individual. Some people want it and can afford it and good for them.
Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance."I know what you mean... like wrinkles on a bloke are "character lines" whereas on a woman they are unwanted. | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................" There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results. | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women." Men just look at the likes of Mickey Rourke and Michael Jackson, laugh and think fuck that for a game of soldiers.  | |||
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" It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women.It is different depending on the individual. Some people want it and can afford it and good for them.
Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance.I know what you mean... like wrinkles on a bloke are "character lines" whereas on a woman they are unwanted. "I'm a bit 'weatherbeaten' having spent a lot of time outdoors. Kinda OK on a man but not on a woman. | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. depends how far you go, the trick is knowing when to stop If i had the money id have my eyes done but i wouldnt go OTT and start having my nose, lips etc dont because im ok with those, some people just have things done for the sake of it, id just like to have my wrinkles removed And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore I suppose its a perssonal choice" I think you are right. It is important to do your homework and check surgeons etc...and I d say it is wise to not go for the cheapest option. I have accompanied a few of my friends for different things they had done and all except one who went for the slightly cheaper option were really pleased with their results. | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results." true, thats why i made a point of saying in this country lol I wouldnt have anything done if i couldnt afford to have it done here | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results." precisely | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women. Men just look at the likes of Mickey Rourke and Michael Jackson, laugh and think fuck that for a game of soldiers. "like i said its knowing when to stop, sadly sme dont | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results. true, thats why i made a point of saying in this country lol I wouldnt have anything done if i couldnt afford to have it done here" There have been a hell of a lot of fuckups in the UK too cosmetic surgery wise so don't fall for all that safe in the UK rhetoric. | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results. true, thats why i made a point of saying in this country lol I wouldnt have anything done if i couldnt afford to have it done here" Absolutely. There are so many ads now, so many clinics selling their procedures. My advice would be to go for what you can afford and if you cannot afford quality... save up a bit longer until you can. Really no point going for cheap here. I have not had facial treatments but if I did I would really do my homework! | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results. true, thats why i made a point of saying in this country lol I wouldnt have anything done if i couldnt afford to have it done here There have been a hell of a lot of fuckups in the UK too cosmetic surgery wise so don't fall for all that safe in the UK rhetoric. "Nothing like as many as back street butcher shops in Bangalore or Bangkok. | |||
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" Nothing like as many as back street butcher shops in Bangalore or Bangkok." Absolutely. I would never consider cheaper surgery in a country where I might not even speak the language well enough to understand what s going on. | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results. true, thats why i made a point of saying in this country lol I wouldnt have anything done if i couldnt afford to have it done here There have been a hell of a lot of fuckups in the UK too cosmetic surgery wise so don't fall for all that safe in the UK rhetoric. "wont affect me anyway as i cant afford it lol but i know a few women that have had verious things done, all at the same place and all have been very happy with the out come, so if i was ever in the possition i could have any id go there | |||
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". And there are many good surgeons now days you hardly hear of any fuck ups in this country anymore ................ There's still a large number of women have surgery abroad without always getting good results. true, thats why i made a point of saying in this country lol I wouldnt have anything done if i couldnt afford to have it done here There have been a hell of a lot of fuckups in the UK too cosmetic surgery wise so don't fall for all that safe in the UK rhetoric.
Nothing like as many as back street butcher shops in Bangalore or Bangkok."Yeh but only a fool would go there to have it done. The people carrying it out where ever they are on flesh that hasn't been damaged are only doing it for the money and taking advantage of people who are either deluded or influenced by the media to have their bodies carved up and artificial items inserted in the skin. I just see people opting for this as lacking self confidence and think they must be pretty sad to put themselves through it. | |||
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"Plastic fantastic if you like that sort of thing but to me she is a Joan Rivers in the making. Has Nigella had plastic surgery then? What do you think? I honestly dont know that is why I was asking if you knew. shes had a face lift, but to be honest so would most of us if we could afford it when we got to the age we started sagging I know i would I wouldn't the face is there to show emotion and you only do 50% of your communication verbally the rest is expressions. You see so many surgery fuckups why risk it for vanity. It's a diffeerent matter for men and for women. Men just look at the likes of Mickey Rourke and Michael Jackson, laugh and think fuck that for a game of soldiers. "david ike says hollywood is full of scientoligists and they are in league with shape shifters....I just think some of them are now feeling the effects of returning to their alien forms..even sly..or...R4M30 as he's known off world | |||
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". Nothing like as many as back street butcher shops in Bangalore or Bangkok. Yeh but only a fool would go there to have it done. The people carrying it out where ever they are on flesh that hasn't been damaged are only doing it for the money and taking advantage of people who are either deluded or influenced by the media to have their bodies carved up and artificial items inserted in the skin. I just see people opting for this as lacking self confidence and think they must be pretty sad to put themselves through it. " I suspect those are the core reasons wherever the surgery is done. The choice of venue seems more about cost. | |||
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"Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance." That just depends on the judge, doesn't it? Presumably the only judge who really matters is yourself... | |||
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"Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance. That just depends on the judge, doesn't it? Presumably the only judge who really matters is yourself..." Women's harshest judges are often other women. Look at the weekly magazines and their concentration on cellulite etc. | |||
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"Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance. That just depends on the judge, doesn't it? Presumably the only judge who really matters is yourself..."
but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people
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"Women are still unfairly judged more harshly on the basis of appearance. That just depends on the judge, doesn't it? Presumably the only judge who really matters is yourself... Women's harshest judges are often other women. Look at the weekly magazines and their concentration on cellulite etc." and specifically avoiding cottage cheese recipies | |||
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"Women's harshest judges are often other women. Look at the weekly magazines and their concentration on cellulite etc." I'd rather not, thanks! Isn't it best to just ignore those people? Whatever you do (or look like) in life there are going to be people who take issue with it. | |||
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". Nothing like as many as back street butcher shops in Bangalore or Bangkok. Yeh but only a fool would go there to have it done. The people carrying it out where ever they are on flesh that hasn't been damaged are only doing it for the money and taking advantage of people who are either deluded or influenced by the media to have their bodies carved up and artificial items inserted in the skin. I just see people opting for this as lacking self confidence and think they must be pretty sad to put themselves through it. I suspect those are the core reasons wherever the surgery is done. The choice of venue seems more about cost." I dont think that it is always about lack in self confidence. I think most people are naturally born with a desire to look as good as possible. Some, if they can afford to, seek cosmetic surgery to preserve their looks. Of course there is a possibility of taking this too far and then they can end up looking like Pete Burns... I would consider very carefully if I was to have anything done to my face etc... but hey as and when I fancy it... I would. | |||
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"Women's harshest judges are often other women. Look at the weekly magazines and their concentration on cellulite etc. I'd rather not, thanks! Isn't it best to just ignore those people? Whatever you do (or look like) in life there are going to be people who take issue with it." Wise words | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it" Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. | |||
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"Of course there is a possibility of taking this too far and then they can end up looking like Pete Burns... " or jackie stallone | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point." Again wise words. Cannot believe your stated age! | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point." i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues | |||
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"Of course there is a possibility of taking this too far and then they can end up looking like Pete Burns... or jackie stallone "Think we may have watched the same programm lol... mind you, they both admitted things had gone wrong for them. As far as Nigella is concerned though to me she is the epitome of a sexy feminine woman! | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues" I have an issue in that I need a tissue... RIGHT NOW | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point.Again wise words. Cannot believe your stated age! " | |||
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"i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues" Yeah exactly, that's my point. We all have our own issues and we all need to deal with them as they are. Continuing to promote and hide behind pointless generalisations just prevents people from facing their own problems. | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues" Surely it IS an issue of sexism 
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men. | |||
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"Again wise words. Cannot believe your stated age! "Haha, you're far too kind x | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues Surely it IS an issue of sexism
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men."thats because men dont have boobs | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues Surely it IS an issue of sexism
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men."I think you are right that there is much more pressure on women to look a certain way than there is on men. Whether or not people subscribe to that is sometimes a matter of self estemm but more often a matter of trying to maintain their looks because "they can" and also because they can afford it. And I d say... why not? If you are a middle aged man and fancy a sports car... or do somethings you perhaps should leave to those 20 years younger... why not? We have one chance of life... and I d say lets enjoy it in the way we want. Whatever that means to the individual! | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues Surely it IS an issue of sexism
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men.
thats because men dont have boobs "That rather supports the 'it's a sexism issue' view. | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues Surely it IS an issue of sexism
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men.
thats because men dont have boobs
That rather supports the 'it's a sexism issue' view."not at all, i was mearly point out most women who have surgery have a boob job so stands to reason more woman have surgery than men | |||
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"Surely it IS an issue of sexism
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men."Even if that's true it doesn't make it a sexist issue - it's still individuals that need to dealing with it. All the sexism card seems to do is shift blame off the individuals and I don't see how that helps them. Well, that and it belittles the body issues that men have, even if the number of men with them is smaller. Again, I don't see who that helps. | |||
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"but some people have these things done for themselves not for other people if having surgery makes you feel more confidant im all for it Ok fine, that's their call. My point is that it's an individual issue, and turning it into an issue of sexism just misses the point. i dont think it matters what sex you are we all have issues Surely it IS an issue of sexism
I'm guessing here but I suspect there are at least 10 times the number of women having some for of cosmetic surgery as there are men.
thats because men dont have boobs
That rather supports the 'it's a sexism issue' view.
not at all, i was mearly point out most women who have surgery have a boob job so stands to reason more woman have surgery than men"Nah, it's about WHY women choose to have boob jobs. | |||
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"Of course there is a possibility of taking this too far and then they can end up looking like Pete Burns... or jackie stallone "Not forgetting Donatella Versace, Jocelyn Wildenstein, Jennifer Grey, Priscilla Presley to name but a few. I guess some people are easily lead. | |||
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" Nah, it's about WHY women choose to have boob jobs." Ah, there is a whole host of reasons for that particualr surgery,one is being reconstructive after mastectomy, others after substantial weight loss, some after loosing some volume, some just wanting to have the boobs they never had and always wanted... whole host of reasons. But there are also blokes now (admittedly mainly in the US) who are having boob and bum implants... so go figure | |||
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"To clarify my point a bit, a person's body issues exist within their own head. Any pressure they feel to look a certain way also exists within their own head. Sure it might be triggered by a magazine, or rude comments or whatever else, but focusing on those triggers is not helpful to the person with issues. In fact it's the exact opposite of what they need to be doing, which is ignoring those triggers and dealing with the internal problem. Saying it's a sexist issue seems to externalise the problem in a way, make it sound like it's a real entity, out there in the world, that's pressuring people. Sorry, but that's just an excuse. Nobody can pressure you but you." Many have week minds though that are easily influenced which to me is pretty sad. | |||
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" Nah, it's about WHY women choose to have boob jobs." well i can only speak for myself but i would have my boobs done because they are saggy and i dislike them | |||
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"To clarify my point a bit, a person's body issues exist within their own head. Any pressure they feel to look a certain way also exists within their own head. Sure it might be triggered by a magazine, or rude comments or whatever else, but focusing on those triggers is not helpful to the person with issues. In fact it's the exact opposite of what they need to be doing, which is ignoring those triggers and dealing with the internal problem. Saying it's a sexist issue seems to externalise the problem in a way, make it sound like it's a real entity, out there in the world, that's pressuring people. Sorry, but that's just an excuse. Nobody can pressure you but you. Many have week minds though that are easily influenced which to me is pretty sad. " It looks as if most of the examples given about are (or were) in showbiz or otherwise in the public eye. I wonder how much of the decision to have surgery was their idea and how much was down to their manager/ advisor. | |||
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"Many have week minds though that are easily influenced which to me is pretty sad. " Yeah of course, all the more reason they shouldn't be given excuses and people to blame such that they start to feel their issues are external. You can't deal with a problem (the internal problem) if you don't have to admit that it exists. | |||
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"To clarify my point a bit, a person's body issues exist within their own head. Any pressure they feel to look a certain way also exists within their own head. Sure it might be triggered by a magazine, or rude comments or whatever else, but focusing on those triggers is not helpful to the person with issues. In fact it's the exact opposite of what they need to be doing, which is ignoring those triggers and dealing with the internal problem. Saying it's a sexist issue seems to externalise the problem in a way, make it sound like it's a real entity, out there in the world, that's pressuring people. Sorry, but that's just an excuse. Nobody can pressure you but you." I think you have a really good point here. Sometimes it really is about self esteem and when that is the case counselling (at least initially) is possibly a better way of addressing those issues. I completely agree that in those cases it is not about sexism and that that suggestion is not helpful. Sometimes people feel the need to become something they are not only to please a partner - this rarely works in the long run. In other cases people choose to enhance their image not out of weakness or low self esteem or deeper underlying psychological issues but purely because they can. Just like they can go on a holiday, buy a new car, move to a bigger house or whatever way they wish to spend their money. | |||
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"To clarify my point a bit, a person's body issues exist within their own head. Any pressure they feel to look a certain way also exists within their own head. Sure it might be triggered by a magazine, or rude comments or whatever else, but focusing on those triggers is not helpful to the person with issues. In fact it's the exact opposite of what they need to be doing, which is ignoring those triggers and dealing with the internal problem. Saying it's a sexist issue seems to externalise the problem in a way, make it sound like it's a real entity, out there in the world, that's pressuring people. Sorry, but that's just an excuse. Nobody can pressure you but you. Many have week minds though that are easily influenced which to me is pretty sad. It looks as if most of the examples given about are (or were) in showbiz or otherwise in the public eye. I wonder how much of the decision to have surgery was their idea and how much was down to their manager/ advisor." I would not need a manager or anybody to tell me this lol... if I felt (and I dont ) that I wanted to have surgery... I just would because I chose to. I would not ask anybody's permission or approval I would just go ahead with it. | |||
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"In other cases people choose to enhance their image not out of weakness or low self esteem or deeper underlying psychological issues but purely because they can. Just like they can go on a holiday, buy a new car, move to a bigger house or whatever way they wish to spend their money. " Yeah that's a good point, it's important to distinguish those cases - not everyone who has plastic surgery has issues as such. | |||
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"............ It looks as if most of the examples given about are (or were) in showbiz or otherwise in the public eye. I wonder how much of the decision to have surgery was their idea and how much was down to their manager/ advisor. I would not need a manager or anybody to tell me this lol... if I felt (and I dont ) that I wanted to have surgery... I just would because I chose to. I would not ask anybody's permission or approval I would just go ahead with it. " I wasn't suggesting it was about permission or approval. I wonder if it might be about instruction. | |||
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"Many have week minds though that are easily influenced which to me is pretty sad. Yeah of course, all the more reason they shouldn't be given excuses and people to blame such that they start to feel their issues are external. You can't deal with a problem (the internal problem) if you don't have to admit that it exists." Yeh but to go to the extent of carving your body up and sticking fuck knows what in it is the act of desperation no matter what anyone says and often its disaster which can't be remedied. | |||
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"In other cases people choose to enhance their image not out of weakness or low self esteem or deeper underlying psychological issues but purely because they can. Just like they can go on a holiday, buy a new car, move to a bigger house or whatever way they wish to spend their money. Yeah that's a good point, it's important to distinguish those cases - not everyone who has plastic surgery has issues as such." Just as not every 45 year old guy who buys a Harley is having a mid-life crisis. | |||
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"Just as not every 45 year old guy who buys a Harley is having a mid-life crisis." Well... there's midlife crises and there's midlife crises. It's just terminology, but you might want to say everyone who buys a harley in their 40's is having a midlife crisis but some midlife crises aren't really problems, just natural processes. Or something like that. | |||
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"Yeh but to go to the extent of carving your body up and sticking fuck knows what in it is the act of desperation no matter what anyone says and often its disaster which can't be remedied. "Yeah I know that some people have serious issues, sorry but I'm not sure what point you're making? | |||
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"In other cases people choose to enhance their image not out of weakness or low self esteem or deeper underlying psychological issues but purely because they can. Just like they can go on a holiday, buy a new car, move to a bigger house or whatever way they wish to spend their money. Yeah that's a good point, it's important to distinguish those cases - not everyone who has plastic surgery has issues as such." Absolutely.. that was what I was trying to say. | |||
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"In other cases people choose to enhance their image not out of weakness or low self esteem or deeper underlying psychological issues but purely because they can. Just like they can go on a holiday, buy a new car, move to a bigger house or whatever way they wish to spend their money. Yeah that's a good point, it's important to distinguish those cases - not everyone who has plastic surgery has issues as such. Just as not every 45 year old guy who buys a Harley is having a mid-life crisis." ABSOLUTELY | |||
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"nigela's on the phone...she says her clits burning.. and to stop discussing her!" Well apart from the way at times she finger her food i like her , x | |||
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"I hope i look as good as her at 53 " looking at your profile you look pretty good at present | |||
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"I would like totally blanch her little lettuce with my water IF U NO WAT I MEAN!" ok ok we know wat you mean , lol you have a soft spot for her right?? | |||
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"I would like totally blanch her little lettuce with my water IF U NO WAT I MEAN!ok ok we know wat you mean , lol you have a soft spot for her right?? "Aaaah she's OK. | |||
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"she is gorgeuos" sure is and the older she get the more gorgeuos too. xxx | |||
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"she is gorgeuossure is and the older she get the more gorgeuos too. xxx" Just like you mmwwwaaaauuuuhhhhh | |||
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"Someone was telling me the other day a newspaper did a thing on Nigella and Gillian McKeith. Apparently they are both the same age, one eats a ridiculously strict and responsible diet the other eats what the fuck she likes with extra lard on. I know which one I would drill." Not true, Nigella has been on diets over the last eighteenth months, but get your point!! | |||
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