FabSwingers.com forum: The trans toilet debate

By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Seems to be becoming more common.. Or just more in the press...

Why don't all women dry their hands on their penis?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/conservative-councillor-westminster-pub-trans-threat-b1063148.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s not a group project.

Some people have never used a unisex toilet in a nightclub and it shows.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Am I the only person that finds it funny that the councillor represents Cockfosters?

I truly don't know what to make of that situation. Could the woman who made the remark have been making a joke which was wide of the mark? If she immediately left the cloakroom why did the councillor feel threatened?

I don't know and I'm jolly glad I haven't got to make rulings on this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This should be fun.

Just gonna sit here and see how it pans out.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

What pronouns would a toilet have?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

It sounds like someone made a joke that was taken the wrong way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It sounds like someone made a joke that was taken the wrong way.

A not very well thought out joke given the current climate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps the councillor made the woman feel uncomfortable.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Perhaps the councillor made the woman feel uncomfortable.

Yeah, sounds like that alright doesnt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps the councillor made the woman feel uncomfortable.

Yeah, sounds like that alright doesnt it

We only have the councillor's information. What if they were being rude to the woman and inferring she shouldn't be in there? Perhaps that's why she made the penis comment.

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By *urious couple22Couple
over a year ago

Derby

It's crazy that this is even a conversation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's crazy that this is even a conversation."

See.s there might be an agenda or two involved

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
over a year ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

"What pronouns would a toilet have?"

Splash/Splosh?

Beard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women have the right to safe spaces. I'm shocked that some people think they shouldn't, but even more so that some women also think this. The Equality Act 2010 says someone sexually harasses another person if the conduct has the purpose or effect of either violating the other person’s dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for them.

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

"Women have the right to safe spaces. I'm shocked that some people think they shouldn't, but even more so that some women also think this. The Equality Act 2010 says someone sexually harasses another person if the conduct has the purpose or effect of either violating the other person’s dignity or creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for them.

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x"

Think this is the correct answer.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"It sounds like someone made a joke that was taken the wrong way.

A not very well thought out joke given the current climate!"

Most jokes around closing time never are

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By *.DerriereWoman
over a year ago

London

This came across as a rubbish transphobic councillor who somehow thinks she's an LGBT ally and who had an intimidating experience.

She's not, and she didn't.

The councillor was clearly the intimidator and making the other woman feel uncomfortable enough that she decided to make an assertive and acerbic joke as she left;

Fuck you councillor! Gonna wipe my hands on my dick. Byeeeee

Leave me the fuck alone when we share toilet facilities, whether I'm trans or not, and it's not up to you to judge and guess my gender.

If I'm in this toilet then that is where I belong.

Don't talk to me out of fear and discomfort while othering and judging me the entire time and testing me as a novelty and story to tell the girls back at the table over your aperol spritz.

Do all tall women or masc women get conservative ass holes not let them wash their hands without talking incessantly about soap and hand towels.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x"

To judge the reaction to this incident, you first have to look at the political party of the victim in question.

Now imagine that victim was in a different party and imagine the reaction

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By *.DerriereWoman
over a year ago

London

Or she's a transphobic creative writer who isn't a very good writer.

Either way, she shouldn't be given a platform.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x

To judge the reaction to this incident, you first have to look at the political party of the victim in question.

Now imagine that victim was in a different party and imagine the reaction "

What difference would it have made?

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By *.DerriereWoman
over a year ago

London

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has. "

Right! Who the fuck approaches a conversation with anyone that way...

It's the poor trans women who is having the rough time here. And still managing to maintain a sense of humour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has. "

I don't think it was.

IF it was said and IF it was said as described, then it wasn't well thought through.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x

To judge the reaction to this incident, you first have to look at the political party of the victim in question.

Now imagine that victim was in a different party and imagine the reaction

What difference would it have made?"

The woman in question wouldnt be getting the criticism in this thread if she wasnt a tory councillor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has. "

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x

To judge the reaction to this incident, you first have to look at the political party of the victim in question.

Now imagine that victim was in a different party and imagine the reaction

What difference would it have made?

The woman in question wouldnt be getting the criticism in this thread if she wasnt a tory councillor"

Not so sure about that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x"

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?"

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person"

A trans woman yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?"

The man I was referring to was the writer of the post I responded to, who identifies as a man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

The man I was referring to was the writer of the post I responded to, who identifies as a man."

Ah .... got you.

I shall unruffle my feathers.

Sorry.

Absolutely my mistake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x

To judge the reaction to this incident, you first have to look at the political party of the victim in question.

Now imagine that victim was in a different party and imagine the reaction

What difference would it have made?

The woman in question wouldnt be getting the criticism in this thread if she wasnt a tory councillor"

Having read some of the blind hatred shown towards tories on here, I tend to agree with you.

Bess x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x"
I'm trying to understand. Not decide. What's the implication. She can feel threatened while not being threatened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read the article and well, I just feel that a trans woman shouldn't be in the female toilet in the first place

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By *un-n-frolicsMan
over a year ago

London

"Am I the only person that finds it funny that the councillor represents Cockfosters?

I don't know and I'm jolly glad I haven't got to make rulings on this"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Read the article and well, I just feel that a trans woman shouldn't be in the female toilet in the first place

And herein lies the issue with these situations. There is no satisfactory solution for all.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

I've not read it, I'm likely not going to read it.

But there is a much greater chance that a trans woman will be more at risk of any kind of harm in a men's toilet than women will be with a trans woman in theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've not read it, I'm likely not going to read it.

But there is a much greater chance that a trans woman will be more at risk of any kind of harm in a men's toilet than women will be with a trans woman in theirs."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've not read it, I'm likely not going to read it.

But there is a much greater chance that a trans woman will be more at risk of any kind of harm in a men's toilet than women will be with a trans woman in theirs."

I can understand that too. Granted, it's a difficult situation either way x

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

File under: Didn’t happen.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"I've not read it, I'm likely not going to read it.

But there is a much greater chance that a trans woman will be more at risk of any kind of harm in a men's toilet than women will be with a trans woman in theirs."

Im also more at risk of coming to harm in a mens toilet than a womans. Does that mean i shouldnt have to use the mens either?

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

I've no problem with anyone using the ladies, I've used many a men's loo in my time due to long queues!

But sexual jokes/comments should only ever be made when you're absolutely certain of your audience.

Most strangers in real life aren't as as blasé about dicks as us Fabbers. If a man/TV/trans person I didn't know made such a comment to me whilst in the bathroom, I'd feel uncomfortable too. Heck, possibly even if I knew them.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person"

So 2 women then???

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess xI'm trying to understand. Not decide. What's the implication. She can feel threatened while not being threatened. "

Do you think a woman should be able to use the toilet without feeling uncomfortable or threatened by someone with a cock sharing the facilities with her and making sure she knows she / they has a cock?

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

"I've no problem with anyone using the ladies, I've used many a men's loo in my time due to long queues!

But sexual jokes/comments should only ever be made when you're absolutely certain of your audience.

This. It was in a public toilet. Anyone could have been in there including children. And people wonder why we don't want to let our kids unsupervised in the male loos, let alone now having to worry about the ladies as well

Yes she may have felt uncomfortable with the lady being "starstruck" with her, but there was no need to make a reference to genitalia.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Read the article and well, I just feel that a trans woman shouldn't be in the female toilet in the first place

Wow!!!!

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By *rjamesMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

A public toilet should be a safe place just like any other public place should be, but I wish the media and others would stop defining gender-specific toilets as "safe spaces". That term originated from the LGBT communities in universities to define places where those people were free from bias and harassment. You can't take their term and use it against them.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???"

No. Not 2 women

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Had it happened to me, I would have reported the penis owner to the police.

Bess x

To judge the reaction to this incident, you first have to look at the political party of the victim in question.

Now imagine that victim was in a different party and imagine the reaction

What difference would it have made?

The woman in question wouldnt be getting the criticism in this thread if she wasnt a tory councillor"

Seems its OK to sexually harass a female tory Councillor in the women's loos.. Class. Presumably it's not OK and the reaction would be different is she wasn't a politician or politician of a different political flavour.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women"

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By *itvclaireTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women"

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

Imagine that. I consider a biological man to be a man. I must be losing my mind

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

XX"

Exactly!! Boils my piss so I'm outa this 1!! Xxxxx

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

XX"

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

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By *un-n-frolicsMan
over a year ago

London

I think the councillor’s stance is clear from the start: “I can’t deny I was a bit shocked. Yet there was a sense of novelty. What would she be like? Well, we had quite a nice chat, not exactly girlie, but friendly.“

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"I think the councillor’s stance is clear from the start: “I can’t deny I was a bit shocked. Yet there was a sense of novelty. What would she be like? Well, we had quite a nice chat, not exactly girlie, but friendly.“

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable. "

By having a friendly chat?

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By *itvclaireTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic"

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

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By *un-n-frolicsMan
over a year ago

London

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat? "

She was shocked. Sense of novelty. Like seeing a strange animal in a zoo.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat?

She was shocked. Sense of novelty. Like seeing a strange animal in a zoo. "

Where did she say she betrayed those emotions outwardly?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

XX"

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

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over a year ago

"Seems to be becoming more common.. Or just more in the press...

Why don't all women dry their hands on their penis?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/conservative-councillor-westminster-pub-trans-threat-b1063148.html"

She should be allowed to use the ladies lavatory.

And there shouldn't be an issue if she has a penis or not.

I mean we all have them, except women of course, but she is a women, a women who has a penis, so she should be allowed to use the ladies.

Hope that made sense.

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By *itvclaireTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Seems to be becoming more common.. Or just more in the press...

Why don't all women dry their hands on their penis?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/conservative-councillor-westminster-pub-trans-threat-b1063148.html

She should be allowed to use the ladies lavatory.

And there shouldn't be an issue if she has a penis or not.

I mean we all have them, except women of course, but she is a women, a women who has a penis, so she should be allowed to use the ladies.

Hope that made sense."

Made perfect sense to me.

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable. "

How are you sure of that fact?

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By *itvclaireTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else"

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

I lock my toilet door when I go into the cubicle.

I expect the person on the other side of it to be decent irrespective of their sex.

Really don’t see the big deal of mixed toilets in individual cubicles.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat? "

Friendly/girly chats don't make me uncomfortable.

Unwanted references to genitalia do.

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

XX "

I don't know whether trans people are treated differently or the same. I defer to your greater knowledge. However... A person with a cock who says they are going to dry their hands on their cock... To a woman... In a woman's loos? It's a bit of a cop out just playing that card isn't it? Are you suggesting that behaviour is acceptable? Or should be acceptable?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat?

Friendly/girly chats don't make me uncomfortable.

Unwanted references to genitalia do. "

Correct. That was the trans person who made that comment, not the author of the article

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

XX "

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat?

Friendly/girly chats don't make me uncomfortable.

Unwanted references to genitalia do.

Correct. That was the trans person who made that comment, not the author of the article"

Imagine the uproar if said Councillor had said... "get your cock out I want to dry my hands"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat?

Friendly/girly chats don't make me uncomfortable.

Unwanted references to genitalia do. "
if agree the comment wasnt right.

But that's not really about trans people in bathrooms.

But being able to read the (rest) room.

However we don't really know what the chat was like other than the story tellers view. But imo if you are thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine" then you are (excuse the pun) leaking.

I'd feel the same of my granddad said "I had a nice chat with a coloured fella today. It went well. I handled the situation fine".

And that's assuming they actually though it. The cynic in me suspects editing.

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By *angtidy42Couple
over a year ago

Redditch

Let they, them,it or frying pan use the disabled toilet. Its normally its own room away from both male and female toilets .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So about 8yrs ago I was in Norway and went out 1 night. In this pub/nightclub I needed toilet so went as directed. Loads of women in queue so I walked past them (getting hacky looks as I did) but when I got to top of stairs, they told me it was unisex toilets and everyone had to wait in queue regardless...... I didnt see a problem other than I was desperate... It was still seperate cubicles... I think from memory, there was only washing hands where there might be mixed genders there but certainly didn't bother me or anyone else in the queue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a tangled web we weave

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"So about 8yrs ago I was in Norway and went out 1 night. In this pub/nightclub I needed toilet so went as directed. Loads of women in queue so I walked past them (getting hacky looks as I did) but when I got to top of stairs, they told me it was unisex toilets and everyone had to wait in queue regardless...... I didnt see a problem other than I was desperate... It was still seperate cubicles... I think from memory, there was only washing hands where there might be mixed genders there but certainly didn't bother me or anyone else in the queue

Yes thats fine. If they are designated as unisex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat?

Friendly/girly chats don't make me uncomfortable.

Unwanted references to genitalia do.

Correct. That was the trans person who made that comment, not the author of the article

Imagine the uproar if said Councillor had said... "get your cock out I want to dry my hands" "

To say treat me as a women, then refer to their cock towards other women in a women's toilet smacks of smugness, it says im here and there nothing women can do about it.

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

Read the article, what we have is a one sided account of an incident.

Were they sure the woman was transgender? If they were, how would they know at what stage of their transition they were at? Perhaps they were Post-Op and didnt have a penis anymore? Maybe they had their GRC? Maybe they weren't trans at all and the situation was completely mis-read?

I agree the joke was in poor taste, if it was even said. But we still live in a society where we are innocent until proven guilty, something that seems to be slowly taken away from the transgender community.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.

I don't think anyone has a problem with unisex loos. In fact, maybe that would be the answer, going forward?

Though guys would soon get fed up of women hogging the cubicles with their mates, crying 'cos Joey is chatting up some other girl instead of her

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

"Let they, them,it or frying pan use the disabled toilet. Its normally its own room away from both male and female toilets .

Being transgender is not a disability.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess xI'm trying to understand. Not decide. What's the implication. She can feel threatened while not being threatened.

This is a great statement and one that underlines the actual issue, the person involved was crude and invasive in a room that should be private. It doesn’t matter if the person was male, female, non binary or any other, this person was wrong and out of order.

Just because they are trans, does not give them a get out of jail card, and those of you that are trans should recognise bad behaviour as what it is and not defend it or get drawn into the trans arguments that inevitably rise from these situations, throw them under the bus. Doing that might drive out those who are making it hard for you to be you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else"

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets"

No i dont believe so

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so "

Why wouldn’t you believe so?

I’d agree a trans woman can use a woman’s bathroom and the same for trans male in males. Fine with me.

And agree with the above, bad behaviour is exactly that. Whoever it is and wherever it is. Just allows people to jump on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so "

What do you believe?

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Let they, them,it or frying pan use the disabled toilet. Its normally its own room away from both male and female toilets .

Being transgender is not a disability."

Not sure they said it was a disability. Just that it would be a solution to using the toilet for people without having to share spaces and talk about cocks.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?"

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like biology has never existed

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex"

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that

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By *rLothbrokMan
over a year ago

Lancs

"It's like biology has never existed "

Biologically speaking, research has shown that the brain of a trans person resembles, shares structural and functional similarities to, that of their identified gender.

Is that enough biology for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

Shitty behaviour is shitty behaviour regardless of who’s making it. I know for a fact that shitty behaviour in a woman’s toilet is not confined to trans women, plenty of cis women have been guilty of this too.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that "

Im not. Im talking of using the toilet of your sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like biology has never existed

Biologically speaking, research has shown that the brain of a trans person resembles, shares structural and functional similarities to, that of their identified gender.

Is that enough biology for you? "

So if I think I'm a woman,therefore I am a woman,is that what your last comment was saying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going to cause massive controversy here but.....

Is it because men 'sometimes' think that if someone is gay/bi/TV/TS/female etc.. Then they are automatically attracted to them and therefore feel threatened that their manhood is under scrutiny?

Or vice versa..

Do woman feel automatically threatened/objectified etc if a 'penis' is in the same bathroom as them?

I'm not stating oppinion or looking for arguments or back lash on this, but just trying to play the middle card and see what people's views are without causing any unnecessary insult or harm to anyone

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

Thankfully opinions aren’t changing

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By *rLothbrokMan
over a year ago

Lancs

"It's like biology has never existed

Biologically speaking, research has shown that the brain of a trans person resembles, shares structural and functional similarities to, that of their identified gender.

Is that enough biology for you?

So if I think I'm a woman,therefore I am a woman,is that what your last comment was saying?"

Are you a trans person?

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that "

Safe spaces for who?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that

Safe spaces for who? "

Everyone

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that "

And hence why someone in the women's loo with a cock and talking about it is possibly concerning for the other women using the facilities?

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over a year ago

Speaking from experience ,a trans woman using a male loo is a nightmare ,people all have different views ,difficult for them to see the problems for the person using the loo,should a female to male use the mens loo? How would that go?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

Exactly this x

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

And hence why someone in the women's loo with a cock and talking about it is possibly concerning for the other women using the facilities? "

Absolutely. It’s concerning to that person in that incident.

Because that person is gross. Whatever there sex and gender.

Not sure how it relates to trans people using toilets though. Just feels like it’s an excuse to jump on the band wagon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like biology has never existed

Biologically speaking, research has shown that the brain of a trans person resembles, shares structural and functional similarities to, that of their identified gender.

Is that enough biology for you?

So if I think I'm a woman,therefore I am a woman,is that what your last comment was saying?

Are you a trans person? "

To be really frank and honest I'm not sure what a trans woman/man is,I would like someone to define it to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that

And hence why someone in the women's loo with a cock and talking about it is possibly concerning for the other women using the facilities? "

That's one person and we don't have the full story. Not allowing trans women to use women's toilets isn't going to stop people bad behaviour.

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

Agreed. Trouble is it (accepting its a media story so may or may not have been as described) is an example of something which is repeatedly claimed doesnt happen and that women and children should not and are not concerned. And this thread shows how shitty behaviour is defended as long as its linked with trans women... Or weirdly if its against a tory Councillor.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can anyone explain how "I'm gonna dry my hands on my penis" is a threat.

Especially by someone leaving.

I can't see it tbh. Let alone it be do clear cut there is no doubt.

I also wonder how well she was doing if she's thinking "This is going well, I’m handling the situation fine".

Unless she thinks that in every conversation she has.

Threats aren't always physical - in this case it was psychological. In short, if the councillor felt threatened, it was a threat. That's for her to decide, not a man.

Bess x

I was under the impression this incident involved two women?

It was a woman and a man. Or a woman and a trans person

So 2 women then???

No. Not 2 women

This is the kind of narrow minded attitude, that makes this a problem in the first place.

No. Its not. Me stating the bleeding obvious isnt the problem. The problem is trying to reorganise society to suit a miniscule minority.

One can be tolerant but also realistic

Are you saying we should just tolerate trans people?

No, nowhere just i say JUST tolerate. Treated like everyone else

That's the problem though. Trans people aren't treated like everyone else. If they were, they're wouldn't be an issue over toilets.

Im sorry but i just dont agree.

Letting a trans person choose the toilet they wish to use isnt treating them like everyone else. Its giving them a privilege BEYOND anyone else

Wouldn't a Trans woman use the female toilets and a trans male use the male toilets

No i dont believe so

What do you believe?

I believe a person should use the toilet of their biological sex

Going on statistics…

Trans women should be more scared of men, than women should be of trans women.

I’d HATE a trans women to feel the need to use a male bathroom.

If we’re talking of “safe spaces” and all that

And hence why someone in the women's loo with a cock and talking about it is possibly concerning for the other women using the facilities?

That's one person and we don't have the full story. Not allowing trans women to use women's toilets isn't going to stop people bad behaviour."

No but it will stop people talking about their cocks in the womans toilet

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Speaking from experience ,a trans woman using a male loo is a nightmare ,people all have different views ,difficult for them to see the problems for the person using the loo,should a female to male use the mens loo? How would that go? "

No they should use the womens

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

I’m not defending the persons behaviour. It’s gross. I’m defending every other trans person who’s not linked in any way and is absolutely going to feel the consequences.

1 man murdered 1 woman and Twitter is trending with “not all men” (mainly by men).

1 trans person is vile in a toilet and all of a sudden it shouldn’t be allowed.

Is my point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to be so naive but...

Depending on what you need to do, a bloke has urinals and cubicles.

Woman's toilets have only cubicles... Which, sorry for pointing out the obvious, but you can do either or on.

Surely if someone TV/TS etc wants to go in the woman's it's not an issue if their in a cubicle anyway?

To each their own, but I've seen aggression and fights with grown men in men's toilets and fights with grown women in womens toilets... I would expect the TV/TS community to stand n fight between them both...

Safety is surely paramount for everyone, but I'd imagine the safety of the actual TV/TS and what they respectively generalise themselves as, has to be taken into Consideration somewhere?...

We have men's toilets... Womens toilets.... Disabled (unisex) toilets... Baby changing.... Are we now saying we need a Completely seperate option, only for people to disregard it anyway when their pissed?

Come on people

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By *un-n-frolicsMan
over a year ago

London

I’m pretty sure she made the trans woman uncomfortable.

By having a friendly chat?

Friendly/girly chats don't make me uncomfortable.

Unwanted references to genitalia do. if agree the comment wasnt right.

But that's not really about trans people in bathrooms.

But being able to read the (rest) room.

I'd feel the same of my granddad said "I had a nice chat with a coloured fella today. It went well. I handled the situation fine".

And that's assuming they actually though it. The cynic in me suspects editing. "

Exactly. That was my point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'I wouldn't'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry to be so naive but...

Depending on what you need to do, a bloke has urinals and cubicles.

Woman's toilets have only cubicles... Which, sorry for pointing out the obvious, but you can do either or on.

Surely if someone TV/TS etc wants to go in the woman's it's not an issue if their in a cubicle anyway?

Safety is surely paramount for everyone, but I'd imagine the safety of the actual TV/TS and what they respectively generalise themselves as, has to be taken into Consideration somewhere?...

Come on people

Probably the best comment so far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry to be so naive but...

Depending on what you need to do, a bloke has urinals and cubicles.

Woman's toilets have only cubicles... Which, sorry for pointing out the obvious, but you can do either or on.

Surely if someone TV/TS etc wants to go in the woman's it's not an issue if their in a cubicle anyway?

Safety is surely paramount for everyone, but I'd imagine the safety of the actual TV/TS and what they respectively generalise themselves as, has to be taken into Consideration somewhere?...

Come on people

'I wouldnt'

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By *rLothbrokMan
over a year ago

Lancs

"It's like biology has never existed

Biologically speaking, research has shown that the brain of a trans person resembles, shares structural and functional similarities to, that of their identified gender.

Is that enough biology for you?

So if I think I'm a woman,therefore I am a woman,is that what your last comment was saying?

Are you a trans person?

To be really frank and honest I'm not sure what a trans woman/man is,I would like someone to define it to me"

In simple terms, a trans person is someone whose gender identity is different to that which they were assigned/thought to be at birth.

There are educational sources and research papers available online if you want to know more about trans, and the research conducted.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

I’m not defending the persons behaviour. It’s gross. I’m defending every other trans person who’s not linked in any way and is absolutely going to feel the consequences.

1 man murdered 1 woman and Twitter is trending with “not all men” (mainly by men).

1 trans person is vile in a toilet and all of a sudden it shouldn’t be allowed.

Is my point

No not all of a sudden. People are saying it constantly that your sex should dictate what toilet you use, or what gender category in sport you play, or what prison you go to.

None of this is new

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens"

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

I’m not defending the persons behaviour. It’s gross. I’m defending every other trans person who’s not linked in any way and is absolutely going to feel the consequences.

1 man murdered 1 woman and Twitter is trending with “not all men” (mainly by men).

1 trans person is vile in a toilet and all of a sudden it shouldn’t be allowed.

Is my point

Sure agree with that. Though not sure what "it shouldnt be allowed refers to".

I think the relevance is simply to discuss the fact it happens and is shitty when it does happen. Rather than it doesn't ever happen so people are talking shite and if it does happen it's OK because it's only a cock and it's a trans woman.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

I’m not defending the persons behaviour. It’s gross. I’m defending every other trans person who’s not linked in any way and is absolutely going to feel the consequences.

1 man murdered 1 woman and Twitter is trending with “not all men” (mainly by men).

1 trans person is vile in a toilet and all of a sudden it shouldn’t be allowed.

Is my point

No not all of a sudden. People are saying it constantly that your sex should dictate what toilet you use, or what gender category in sport you play, or what prison you go to.

None of this is new"

Oh it’s not new, it’s completely old fashioned way of thinking and thankfully many are changing

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

I’m not defending the persons behaviour. It’s gross. I’m defending every other trans person who’s not linked in any way and is absolutely going to feel the consequences.

1 man murdered 1 woman and Twitter is trending with “not all men” (mainly by men).

1 trans person is vile in a toilet and all of a sudden it shouldn’t be allowed.

Is my point

Sure agree with that. Though not sure what "it shouldnt be allowed refers to".

Definitely not okay and always gonna happen because at the end of the day people are assholes haha x

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!"

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Can we just agree that the actions of one person shouldn’t be used as the basis for an entire debate as to that persons gender identity.

I’m not defending the persons behaviour. It’s gross. I’m defending every other trans person who’s not linked in any way and is absolutely going to feel the consequences.

1 man murdered 1 woman and Twitter is trending with “not all men” (mainly by men).

1 trans person is vile in a toilet and all of a sudden it shouldn’t be allowed.

Is my point

Sure agree with that. Though not sure what "it shouldnt be allowed refers to".

Definitely not okay and always gonna happen because at the end of the day people are assholes haha x"

Except it wouldnt happend, if only women used womens toilets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman"

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman"

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman"

Women with beards, deep voices and muscular build. I can see that going down very well in the women's loos at Waitrose.

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all. "

There are non trans women too who need to "win" and use facilities safely and without feeling threatened.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all. "

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

There are non trans women too who need to "win" and use facilities safely and without feeling threatened. "

Unless you presume every trans person is as vile as this one why would you feel threatened behind a locked door?

I’ve never met any cis woman worry about trans women in toilets… it’s always cis men worried about it when in reality it’s the cis men we should be threatened by

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there. "

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?"

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people's opinions are entrenched, no leeway or thought for everyone's feelings no matter what their situation.Tolerance on all sides ,meeting in the middle ,call it what you want. When my female friends ask me to accompany them in the ladies for a natter and catch up should l decline because it might offend someone?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt"

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happens if a trans man goes into a women's toilet and talks about his cock?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is splitting hairs, bad behaviour is wrong anywhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt"

That really doesn't make sense. You are objecting for objecting sake

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private "

I would have no fear of it, and it wouldn't really bother me. It is in the other direction that i see the issue/danger/problem.

So for the sake of common sense, i believe yoy should only use the toilet of your sex, unless it's designtated unisex

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

That really doesn't make sense. You are objecting for objecting sake"

We're having a discussion. Should i just agree with you so instead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well when all’s said and done, it’s pretty clear who is on which side of the fence here and that it’s highly unlikely that either will change the other’s point of view.

If nothing else I’ve found it a good filter for knowing who wouldn’t be a suitable match for me and I’m sure it works both ways

All I would say before leaving this thread for good is to never believe anything you read in the press, especially when it’s just the word of one politician (of any party that is )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private

I would have no fear of it, and it wouldn't really bother me. It is in the other direction that i see the issue/danger/problem.

So for the sake of common sense, i believe yoy should only use the toilet of your sex, unless it's designtated unisex"

I think you might be in the minority

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over a year ago

Quick answer to all of this is, if you have a penis use the male toilets, if you have a vagina you use the ladies. Why is it so difficult?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private

I would have no fear of it, and it wouldn't really bother me. It is in the other direction that i see the issue/danger/problem.

So for the sake of common sense, i believe yoy should only use the toilet of your sex, unless it's designtated unisex

I think you might be in the minority"

I really dont think so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quick answer to all of this is, if you have a penis use the male toilets, if you have a vagina you use the ladies. Why is it so difficult? "

Correct

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Quick answer to all of this is, if you have a penis use the male toilets, if you have a vagina you use the ladies. Why is it so difficult? "

Because some of us disagree with your answer

haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quick answer to all of this is, if you have a penis use the male toilets, if you have a vagina you use the ladies. Why is it so difficult?

Correct

All the biology teachers for years and years have all been wrong

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private

I would have no fear of it, and it wouldn't really bother me. It is in the other direction that i see the issue/danger/problem.

So for the sake of common sense, i believe yoy should only use the toilet of your sex, unless it's designtated unisex

I think you might be in the minority

I really dont think so"

The fact these conversations are happening everywhere, In schools and hospitals and universities and work places shows people are changing opinions and having discussions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because the grief you get by following your advice is overwhelming,are you saying l should give up my life choice or never go out and socialise in public?. Every one has a choice, maybe you could go to venues that ban trans people, or other groups of individuals that you dont agree with?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private

I would have no fear of it, and it wouldn't really bother me. It is in the other direction that i see the issue/danger/problem.

So for the sake of common sense, i believe yoy should only use the toilet of your sex, unless it's designtated unisex

I think you might be in the minority

I really dont think so

The fact these conversations are happening everywhere, In schools and hospitals and universities and work places shows people are changing opinions and having discussions. "

It does. However i think it is being driven by a small minority

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

I’m genuinely not trying to argue… but what exactly is the issue if a trans man was in your bathroom?

What actually is the problem/ fear?

I understand your saying you wouldn’t expect it… but actually, knowing trans men exist- please can you explain what the actual issue is?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

More than happy to DM if you’d keep it private

I would have no fear of it, and it wouldn't really bother me. It is in the other direction that i see the issue/danger/problem.

So for the sake of common sense, i believe yoy should only use the toilet of your sex, unless it's designtated unisex

I think you might be in the minority

I really dont think so

The fact these conversations are happening everywhere, In schools and hospitals and universities and work places shows people are changing opinions and having discussions. "

I was having a conversation with my 80 year old mother today and we were talking about this very subject,my mother said "what the hell is going on,man penis,woman vagina" old school ya see

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Because the grief you get by following your advice is overwhelming,are you saying l should give up my life choice or never go out and socialise in public?. Every one has a choice, maybe you could go to venues that ban trans people, or other groups of individuals that you dont agree with?"

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time to move on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply"

You

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

You"

Well that comment makes absolutely no sense at all because nowhere have i suggested you shouldnt go out anywhere or be banned from anywhere or that i didnt want to be around trans people. Youre just seeking out victimhood now

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"What happens if a trans man goes into a women's toilet and talks about his cock?

Is that the setup line for a punchline?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

You

How can l go out and socialise and not use the ladies?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

Genuine question for the men with the issues…

You think born female should use female, born male use male.

Would you be happy with a very obvious, trans man (who looks very masculine but has not had gender surgery) to use a female bathroom? Because in your opinion, they are a biological female?

I feel like you’d all have something to say if you sen someone who looks like a man enter a female bathroom.

Again, genuinely interested.

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

There are non trans women too who need to "win" and use facilities safely and without feeling threatened.

Unless you presume every trans person is as vile as this one why would you feel threatened behind a locked door?

I’ve never met any cis woman worry about trans women in toilets… it’s always cis men worried about it when in reality it’s the cis men we should be threatened by

If you read the story... Its not the behind a locked door bit. It's in the communal space... Presumably the one with hand driers and basins and mirrors.and if you can't understand why a woman may feel uncomfortable then that's fine for you. I can tell many women I know do find it uncomfortable. 2 places asking employers to revert to gender specific toilets as basically they don't want to use the toilet after a man has been disgusting in them.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

You

How can l go out and socialise and not use the ladies? "

Well i have no idea of your sex, but assuming you are biologically male then can you not use the mens?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Read the article and well, I just feel that a trans woman shouldn't be in the female toilet in the first place

This is a hard one to put into practice. As most places don't have the room to install separate toilets for non gender/trans people, so it could lead to the building making all toilets unisex.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

There are non trans women too who need to "win" and use facilities safely and without feeling threatened.

Unless you presume every trans person is as vile as this one why would you feel threatened behind a locked door?

I’ve never met any cis woman worry about trans women in toilets… it’s always cis men worried about it when in reality it’s the cis men we should be threatened by

Maybe those individual men who are disgusting are the issue.

We don’t segregate the kitchen area where I wash my hands. What’s the difference with the bathroom if the cubicles are in locked doors?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I need educating on this subject,I really and genuinely don't know what a trans female/male is, has a trans woman a penis or have they had it removed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

You

How can l go out and socialise and not use the ladies?

Well i have no idea of your sex, but assuming you are biologically male then can you not use the mens? "
tried that in the early days ,the abuse ,physical and mental was horrific

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Some people's opinions are entrenched, no leeway or thought for everyone's feelings no matter what their situation.Tolerance on all sides ,meeting in the middle ,call it what you want. When my female friends ask me to accompany them in the ladies for a natter and catch up should l decline because it might offend someone?"

Interesting notion.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

Have penis will intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with said penis, without the other person's consent obvs!

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

You

How can l go out and socialise and not use the ladies?

Well i have no idea of your sex, but assuming you are biologically male then can you not use the mens? tried that in the early days ,the abuse ,physical and mental was horrific"

Unacceptable and i hope you report to the premises management

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"I need educating on this subject,I really and genuinely don't know what a trans female/male is, has a trans woman a penis or have they had it removed?"

Google is your friend!

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over a year ago

"I need educating on this subject,I really and genuinely don't know what a trans female/male is, has a trans woman a penis or have they had it removed?

Google is your friend!

I find most of the experts are on fab forums

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Just make all toilets like disabled ones.

Individual cubicle with sink, flat entrance.

Problem solved, everyone can use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are you replying to? Please use quote + reply

You

How can l go out and socialise and not use the ladies?

Well i have no idea of your sex, but assuming you are biologically male then can you not use the mens? tried that in the early days ,the abuse ,physical and mental was horrific

Unacceptable and i hope you report to the premises management "

Then l would spend most of my time trying to lodge my complaint in a busy bar or venue everytime l used the loo, what a palarva ,nothing would change ,been down that road ,waste of time ,management dont want to know , as an earlier poster said ,we cant win ,wont stop me enjoying my evenings out though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

That really doesn't make sense. You are objecting for objecting sake

We're having a discussion. Should i just agree with you so instead? "

Not at all. Would you explain why you it is so important that trans people don't use the toilets of the sex they have transitioned to?

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"I need educating on this subject,I really and genuinely don't know what a trans female/male is, has a trans woman a penis or have they had it removed?

Google is your friend!

I find most of the experts are on fab forums"

Quite possibly, but you also have to contend with the great unwashed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the media are back at it again. After a brief respite of anti trans stories (or outright bullshit in this case I suspect) during the period Brianna Ghey was murdered.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"Just make all toilets like disabled ones.

Individual cubicle with sink, flat entrance.

Problem solved, everyone can use it."

So unisex, like some establishments have already done? Whod’a thunk it could be so simple to solve such a complex problem!

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Just make all toilets like disabled ones.

Individual cubicle with sink, flat entrance.

Problem solved, everyone can use it."

Thing is... Its not the actual bowel opening process... Its the communal hand washing/drying /hair/make up / egress / ingress bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I need educating on this subject,I really and genuinely don't know what a trans female/male is, has a trans woman a penis or have they had it removed?

Google is your friend!

I find most of the experts are on fab forums

Quite possibly, but you also have to contend with the great unwashed!

And somewhat slightly dazed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Genuine question for the men with the issues…

You think born female should use female, born male use male.

Would you be happy with a very obvious, trans man (who looks very masculine but has not had gender surgery) to use a female bathroom? Because in your opinion, they are a biological female?

I feel like you’d all have something to say if you sen someone who looks like a man enter a female bathroom.

Again, genuinely interested. "

I made this point, it wasn't answered

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

No they should use the womens

If they did this they would be accused of being a man going into a women's toilet!!

No they wouldnt. Because they are a woman

How do you know who’s male or female?

Flip it the other way…. If a male looking person followed women into the womens bathroom it’s likely to cause chaos at worst and rude comments at best.

Trans people literally can’t win.

You’ve no idea what sex someone is so I don’t see how it’s relevant or bothers anyone at all.

Because generally people going into a gendered toilet expect and wish to only have people of that gender in there.

How would you know that a trans male was in the same toilet as you?

I may not. But it would be my expectation that there isnt

That really doesn't make sense. You are objecting for objecting sake

We're having a discussion. Should i just agree with you so instead?

Not at all. Would you explain why you it is so important that trans people don't use the toilets of the sex they have transitioned to?"

Because i believe its just as simple as that, you use the facilities of your gender. Opening it up to individual choice is unrealistic

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Just make all toilets like disabled ones.

Individual cubicle with sink, flat entrance.

Problem solved, everyone can use it.

So unisex, like some establishments have already done? Whod’a thunk it could be so simple to solve such a complex problem!

Apart from in some places... Men are disgusting and women don't want to use them after men have wiped it hither and thither.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just make all toilets like disabled ones.

Individual cubicle with sink, flat entrance.

Problem solved, everyone can use it.

Thing is... Its not the actual bowel opening process... Its the communal hand washing/drying /hair/make up / egress / ingress bit "

That is a fair point

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By *ackformore100 OP Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Perhaps rather than. Male and female facilities and changing rooms they could be changed to cocks this way... Vaginas that way...?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Just make all toilets like disabled ones.

Individual cubicle with sink, flat entrance.

Problem solved, everyone can use it.

Thing is... Its not the actual bowel opening process... Its the communal hand washing/drying /hair/make up / egress / ingress bit "

Exactly. But we don’t segregate the rest of our lives in communal areas.

I think that comment, absolutely validates the point it’s as safe as anything else in life.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"I need educating on this subject,I really and genuinely don't know what a trans female/male is, has a trans woman a penis or have they had it removed?

Google is your friend!

I find most of the experts are on fab forums

Quite possibly, but you also have to contend with the great unwashed!

And somewhat slightly dazed?"

No, thats just nausea from the stench!

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